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 Re: 3rd Round Pick in Lucic/Neal Trade [message #747755 is a reply to message #747745 ]
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I don't think Lucic would care. I have heard his comments and just like when he was with the Oilers, they talk to him a lot. He says the same crap as he did with the Oilers. He's doing worse than last year, no team will go near him so he doesn't even have an impact physically. So you'd think he would something different and if no one will engage you, you engage them. Run around. Nope. He just does this thing. So I don't think he's not going to forfeit 14 mill which is what is left to be paid and retire. If it was like Hossa where his cap hit was big but the actual money was next to nothing, then maybe. If Lucic cared, he would have been doing what he needed to do to try and get better when he was an Oiler. Instead he laughed when people suggested he use a skills coach making a joke about not needed to learn to dangle. He goes to a new team, new coach and he's even worse than last year. That tells me he's just doing what he normally does. Sure he comes into camp in amazing shape but he doesn't work on his skills. You'd think at his size, he would be able to just go to the net and bang the odd one in just because people can't move him.


He hired Adam Oates and Teddy Purcell to work with him this summer. I do think he's a proud guy and wants to be successful. I hated Lucic being an Oiler - I mean, he was great for my ego as I predicted precisely what would happen with his decline - but I don't doubt that he cares about what's happened for him.

I think the dismissiveness about skills coaches was part of that pride - he figured he won a Cup and had had some success, so why would he suddenly at age 30 have to hire a guy to work with him on soft skills? Especially if he was getting in the best shape of his life.

When he continued to flounder, he swallowed a bit of that pride and accepted that he needed more help. It didn't ultimately matter because they can't teach what he needs - his body is slowing down and at a time when the pace of the game is picking up. He was never a star player, even when he was at his most successful and if you're not a star, it's very hard to stay relevant if you lose a step.

I was advocating for it when he was an Oiler - if there's no moving him and he's no longer able to effectively play a role, and you need his cap money for something else - then I think you offer him a choice that touches on his pride. Either you find a way to help him save face - a career-ending "injury" or a straight-up retirement, or he gets the embarrassment of being a perpetual healthy scratch.

Seattle taking him is a pipedream because he's got two more full seasons after the expansion draft and he'll be completely useless by that time. I don't think you could pay them enough to take him on, unless they can just use him as a cap zombie - which again, you need him to be injured to manage. The sad thing is that I think he will waive for the Flames, so they won't lose someone better than they should because he's holding a spot on their protected list. Seattle's close to home for him and he'll be roundly hated in Calgary by that time so he'll be thrilled if there's an opportunity to leave - only there's no chance he gets picked.

He's making 6 mill this year, 4 mill next, 5 then 4 mill. There isn't a sharp drop off in salary. I am sure you are right, he's a proud guy so maybe he would care more than I think but he's also a family man. Yes all these guys want to win and do well and all that stuff but they are also business men who's main goal is to make as much money as they can for themselves and their family. Sure he's made good money but to up and retire with potentially 14 mill left. Or if he waits one more season and if it goes just as bad or worse, up and quit with 9 mill left. That's a hell of a lot of money just to walk away from for your pride.


That's where the allergy to hockey gear comes in - or the nagging back and knee pain that he's been trying to ignore and bravely fight through the last three years but finally caught up to him...

If he's on LTIR, he still gets paid and the team gets off the hook at least from a cap perspective, even though I'm sure there's a substantial deductible they have to pay for the insurance money to kick in.


DO insurance companies actually pay out for completely made up injuries? Hossa at least does have bad eczema that he was treating (he could have kept treating it, but I guess you can't force people to use creams and stuff if they refuse).

In Lucic's case, it would be 100% fiction.


It’s just so hard to prove that someone isn’t hurt. Look at Lupul.

Lucic has played a hard brand of hockey and his career has gone off the ledge. It would be pretty easy to build a case that he’s got some kind of degenerative injury that’s impacting his ability to play the game. As long as he doesn’t sign the year-end physical report though apparently.


I just have a hard time seeing Looch play along. Also have a hard time seeing Treliving being as ruthless about bending rules as Bowman and Lucky Lou. For Lupul, I think shutting him up likely involved some threats coming from Lou of what he would do to him if he was back to playing status.

IMO, more likely that Looch tries to force Treliving's hand to get his buyout by leveraging the expansion draft and his NMC. Looch still wants to play I think. He is still in the zone where he blames his environment far more than himself. He has many more summers where he will be optimistic that a slight change up of his training will reverse his fortunes.


It wont take bending of rules or playing along from either Lucic, the Flames or a doctor if the time comes for him to stop playing.
Dont forget that Lucic does actually have Scheuermann's disease. As one ages with that disease it can cause massive complications and pain. His style of play I am sure wont help that.
Whether he plays for pride or money I have no idea. If he decides its time to go, for whatever reason, it will take VERY little to convince a doc that it is pain related and not a made up issue.



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