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 Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791063]
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Per Oilers twitter

https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/142548717492186726 5?s=20

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The #Oilers have signed forward Tyler Benson to a one-year, two-way contract extension.

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Bob Stauffer says he will compete with Shore and Perlini for a bottom 6 LW spot. He will have to clear waivers if they send him down.

I really hope they don't lose him on waivers due to coach bias. We know that Tippett loves Shore, and he also has a connection to Perlini in Arizona.



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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791065 is a reply to message #791063 ]
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Why is it always considered "coaches bias" when it comes to a player like Benson. Whatever happened to a young player in the position that Benson is in actually WINNING a job rather than the old days where just show up and if you are breathing, you get a job? Whenever camp comes out, there are always certain players who look great in camp and are all the talk. I have yet to hear a camp report where Benson was all the talk, he's always been just OK.

I know some fans won't like to hear this as they like to make excuses but he needs to come into camp and stand out for a change rather than just be in the pack. I get players do need opportunity but the days of just showing up and breathing means you get opportunity should be over. If he wants a job, time to set up and take the job. It's not like the Oilers bottom 6 has been just loaded with amazing players. 3 guys who played in it - Haas, Nygard, P.Russell, are in Europe because they can't NHL players. If Devin Shore who's a 12/13 forward is this huge obstacle that he can't overcome, then maybe that says something about him.

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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791069 is a reply to message #791065 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 11:20

Why is it always considered "coaches bias" when it comes to a player like Benson. Whatever happened to a young player in the position that Benson is in actually WINNING a job rather than the old days where just show up and if you are breathing, you get a job? Whenever camp comes out, there are always certain players who look great in camp and are all the talk. I have yet to hear a camp report where Benson was all the talk, he's always been just OK.

I know some fans won't like to hear this as they like to make excuses but he needs to come into camp and stand out for a change rather than just be in the pack. I get players do need opportunity but the days of just showing up and breathing means you get opportunity should be over. If he wants a job, time to set up and take the job. It's not like the Oilers bottom 6 has been just loaded with amazing players. 3 guys who played in it - Haas, Nygard, P.Russell, are in Europe because they can't NHL players. If Devin Shore who's a 12/13 forward is this huge obstacle that he can't overcome, then maybe that says something about him.


Was there even a camp last year? He was probably ready, but he didn't even get an opportunity. I mean they could have called him up like they did with McLeod, but they chose to stick with depth that scored at an abysmal rate. So yeah, I do call coaches bias on that one.

This year though, camp really shouldn't matter much. How Benson performs in a two week camp is much less important than his results over the past 5 years. I think he's earned the spot on the roster already, at the very least. Benson has 141 points in 156 regular season games in the AHL. He's put in the time and lived in the craphole that is Bakersfield California. He's gotten encouraging results. That means a lot more to me then a 2 week camp.

If they put Benson on waivers because Shore scores a couple more goals in camp, well that's bad decision making. We know he can't score. Unfortunately, Shore looks like he tries really hard though. Coach likes that.




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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791073 is a reply to message #791069 ]
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 12:50

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 11:20

Why is it always considered "coaches bias" when it comes to a player like Benson. Whatever happened to a young player in the position that Benson is in actually WINNING a job rather than the old days where just show up and if you are breathing, you get a job? Whenever camp comes out, there are always certain players who look great in camp and are all the talk. I have yet to hear a camp report where Benson was all the talk, he's always been just OK.

I know some fans won't like to hear this as they like to make excuses but he needs to come into camp and stand out for a change rather than just be in the pack. I get players do need opportunity but the days of just showing up and breathing means you get opportunity should be over. If he wants a job, time to set up and take the job. It's not like the Oilers bottom 6 has been just loaded with amazing players. 3 guys who played in it - Haas, Nygard, P.Russell, are in Europe because they can't NHL players. If Devin Shore who's a 12/13 forward is this huge obstacle that he can't overcome, then maybe that says something about him.


Was there even a camp last year? He was probably ready, but he didn't even get an opportunity. I mean they could have called him up like they did with McLeod, but they chose to stick with depth that scored at an abysmal rate. So yeah, I do call coaches bias on that one.

This year though, camp really shouldn't matter much. How Benson performs in a two week camp is much less important than his results over the past 5 years. I think he's earned the spot on the roster already, at the very least. Benson has 141 points in 156 regular season games in the AHL. He's put in the time and lived in the craphole that is Bakersfield California. He's gotten encouraging results. That means a lot more to me then a 2 week camp.

If they put Benson on waivers because Shore scores a couple more goals in camp, well that's bad decision making. We know he can't score. Unfortunately, Shore looks like he tries really hard though. Coach likes that.




Not to mention, we've seen that the coach has a firm bias towards veteran players over young ones - he has very little tolerance for any mistakes from guys in the front part of their career, but you can score 3 own goals in 4 games as a veteran and still play a regular shift.

I mean, Slater Koekkoek missed 3 months with a broken collarbone, came back and was immediately up the depth chart over Jones - who never saw a moment of playoff hockey. It's not like Koekkoek was great either. We all know about Bouchard's season too.

With the bottom 6, he's shown a preference for rolling out guys in their late 20s, despite pathetically bad results. The party line is that he has little tolerance for risk-taking in the bottom half of the roster, but that in itself is a risk, since the bottom lines basically just hang on for dear life under his current scheme.



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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791079 is a reply to message #791073 ]
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I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 15:49

I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.


You are putting a lot of emphasis on training camp. How many times have we seen some kid dominate the NHL preseason to only disappear to Europe?

In the past we pushed kids into the lineup too fast and now they never get a sniff. Oil are right up against the cap. These contracts for Benson, Marody, Bouchard, Perlini are important. Sure would be nice to nail one value deal in the bottom 6.

For the record. I don’t mind Shore, but Turris, Russell, Nygaard, Haas, etc could’ve been filled internally.



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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791090 is a reply to message #791088 ]
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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 17:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 15:49

I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.


You are putting a lot of emphasis on training camp. How many times have we seen some kid dominate the NHL preseason to only disappear to Europe?

In the past we pushed kids into the lineup too fast and now they never get a sniff. Oil are right up against the cap. These contracts for Benson, Marody, Bouchard, Perlini are important. Sure would be nice to nail one value deal in the bottom 6.

For the record. I don’t mind Shore, but Turris, Russell, Nygaard, Haas, etc could’ve been filled internally.



Also, we pretty much only rushed first round picks in to the lineup because it helped to sell hope during the dark days. It wasn't like we were rushing every 18-20 year old in to the lineup immediately. I don't think a single 2nd round pick (like Benson) was rushed in fact.

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 Re: Tyler Benson Re-Signed for 1 Year [message #791089 is a reply to message #791079 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 15:49

I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.


Do you really think anyone had time to "beat out" someone at camp?

First off, that should never, ever happen. Even in a full camp, you should not make critical decisions on your team based on what happens in a couple week stretch playing against sub-par competition. I'm fine with paying lip service to that, but your team really should be pretty well set and that shouldn't be flipped upside down because someone had a hot or cold streak in meaningless scrimmages or exhibitions.

Secondly, there were only a few days, and the Oilers have spent two years talking about "over-ripening". They were going to keep guys like Benson in the AHL as long as they could, because someone said that's the Detroit model (although the Red Wings actual history doesn't support that).

Thirdly, if the coach had brought up Benson and he failed to make an impression and then he went back to using vets that were more solid, or if the vets hadn't sucked and so there was no cause to try anything different, I could agree with your points potentially, but the fact is, Benson was one of the AHL's leading scorers, and our depth players were historically awful. They put up pathetically little offence and just got buried defensively - the area where the bulk of them are supposed to be decent. Shore was literally one of the worst players in the entire league. Haas accomplished nothing for an entire season. Patrick Russell got 8 more NHL games! Other than some of the challenges around COVID protocols, there was nothing stopping the Oilers from trying out Benson or Marody or both along with McLeod. They did not and instead just kept going with what was not working. That suggests a level of stubbornness or bias for Tippett.

The other thing I saw along this line today that made me cringe was this:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
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Tyler Benson is clearly too good for AHL (point-a-game) and now has to prove he's an NHLer. He's got offensive tools obviously but like many bottom six hopefuls has to be very good at one thing to stick.


Matheson is clearly a dinosaur and out of touch, but I think that he's still closer to the thinking of Oilers brass than most in here. This "specialist" theory for the bottom 6 has been a complete and total failure for over a decade here, but the Oilers keep just hoping it can finally work for them. Just get good players who are better than other teams bottom 6 players. Virtually anyone can be taught to penalty kill and block shots.

The best teams we've had have generally had really good depth. I don't know why the Oilers are stuck on this stupid theory, but it's bonkers. The only thing I could see having some SLIGHT merit is having a strong faceoff guy there if one of your top two isn't one.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 17:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 15:49

I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.


Do you really think anyone had time to "beat out" someone at camp?

First off, that should never, ever happen. Even in a full camp, you should not make critical decisions on your team based on what happens in a couple week stretch playing against sub-par competition. I'm fine with paying lip service to that, but your team really should be pretty well set and that shouldn't be flipped upside down because someone had a hot or cold streak in meaningless scrimmages or exhibitions.

Secondly, there were only a few days, and the Oilers have spent two years talking about "over-ripening". They were going to keep guys like Benson in the AHL as long as they could, because someone said that's the Detroit model (although the Red Wings actual history doesn't support that).

Thirdly, if the coach had brought up Benson and he failed to make an impression and then he went back to using vets that were more solid, or if the vets hadn't sucked and so there was no cause to try anything different, I could agree with your points potentially, but the fact is, Benson was one of the AHL's leading scorers, and our depth players were historically awful. They put up pathetically little offence and just got buried defensively - the area where the bulk of them are supposed to be decent. Shore was literally one of the worst players in the entire league. Haas accomplished nothing for an entire season. Patrick Russell got 8 more NHL games! Other than some of the challenges around COVID protocols, there was nothing stopping the Oilers from trying out Benson or Marody or both along with McLeod. They did not and instead just kept going with what was not working. That suggests a level of stubbornness or bias for Tippett.

The other thing I saw along this line today that made me cringe was this:

Quote:

Jim Matheson
@jimmathesonnhl

Tyler Benson is clearly too good for AHL (point-a-game) and now has to prove he's an NHLer. He's got offensive tools obviously but like many bottom six hopefuls has to be very good at one thing to stick.


Matheson is clearly a dinosaur and out of touch, but I think that he's still closer to the thinking of Oilers brass than most in here. This "specialist" theory for the bottom 6 has been a complete and total failure for over a decade here, but the Oilers keep just hoping it can finally work for them. Just get good players who are better than other teams bottom 6 players. Virtually anyone can be taught to penalty kill and block shots.

The best teams we've had have generally had really good depth. I don't know why the Oilers are stuck on this stupid theory, but it's bonkers. The only thing I could see having some SLIGHT merit is having a strong faceoff guy there if one of your top two isn't one.


People seem to blindly remember the glory years where the broadcasters would label Tikkanen as a shut down specialist despite the fact he was consistently scoring 20 plus goals a year, even after Gretzky left town. Jarret Stoll was a face off specialist and a great PK guy. He also scored 22 goals and gad 68 points.

I hear you, but I’m still hoping it’s the media who perpetuates this ideology. I know it appears that the management group thinks this way, but this top 9 looks to be a strong forechecking team. I’m hopeful.



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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 17:41

Adam wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 17:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 15:49

I don't buy what I think is a BS excuse some fans use that the "coach is bias towards vets". The coach is bias towards trying to win games. I have seen posted in this site for YEARS about the Oilers not being good enough and they need to win. If a young guy wasn't ready or good enough despite what the arm chair GM's in here think, they didn't play.

For years, the Oilers treated the NHL like a development league for young guys. Their team lacked talent so they gave an unready guy like a Benson an automatic spot no matter what then watched him flounder in the NHL because he wasn't good enough or ready. Lighting up the AHL doesn't mean squat. They had a small camp last year, Benson was there and Shore, a guy on a PTO, beat him out for a job. That's no ones fault but Benson's. If he was good enough, he would have made the team. The whole Covid thing only made things harder because you couldn't call up guys like you normally would. Benson is a local kid and if he had a remotely decent camp at all, the media would be all over him pumping his tires like he's the next one. He hasn't done anything in all the years he's been in the camp to stand out. I am pulling for Benson because I like the fact he's a local kid and mostly because they used a very high 2nd to get him. Players taken as high as he was are supposed to be NHLers in my opinion. If he wants a job, then win a a damn job. Go out there play hard, bang some bodies if you have to even though that's not your game. He's supposedly real good on the wall, well go out there and win some puck battles against Nurse or someone of note. Dominating some junior kid or never will be NHLer does nothing. Pick out the guys you know are on the team and go our there and win battles against them. Anytime he is up against Shore or whoever he sees as standing in his way, he better beat that guy in every drill. Win yourself a job.

Blaming the coach because he is "bias" I think is a lazy cope out in my opinion. The coach ultimately wants to win so make yourself stand out as a guy that looks to be someone that can help the team win and he will get a job.


Do you really think anyone had time to "beat out" someone at camp?

First off, that should never, ever happen. Even in a full camp, you should not make critical decisions on your team based on what happens in a couple week stretch playing against sub-par competition. I'm fine with paying lip service to that, but your team really should be pretty well set and that shouldn't be flipped upside down because someone had a hot or cold streak in meaningless scrimmages or exhibitions.

Secondly, there were only a few days, and the Oilers have spent two years talking about "over-ripening". They were going to keep guys like Benson in the AHL as long as they could, because someone said that's the Detroit model (although the Red Wings actual history doesn't support that).

Thirdly, if the coach had brought up Benson and he failed to make an impression and then he went back to using vets that were more solid, or if the vets hadn't sucked and so there was no cause to try anything different, I could agree with your points potentially, but the fact is, Benson was one of the AHL's leading scorers, and our depth players were historically awful. They put up pathetically little offence and just got buried defensively - the area where the bulk of them are supposed to be decent. Shore was literally one of the worst players in the entire league. Haas accomplished nothing for an entire season. Patrick Russell got 8 more NHL games! Other than some of the challenges around COVID protocols, there was nothing stopping the Oilers from trying out Benson or Marody or both along with McLeod. They did not and instead just kept going with what was not working. That suggests a level of stubbornness or bias for Tippett.

The other thing I saw along this line today that made me cringe was this:

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Tyler Benson is clearly too good for AHL (point-a-game) and now has to prove he's an NHLer. He's got offensive tools obviously but like many bottom six hopefuls has to be very good at one thing to stick.


Matheson is clearly a dinosaur and out of touch, but I think that he's still closer to the thinking of Oilers brass than most in here. This "specialist" theory for the bottom 6 has been a complete and total failure for over a decade here, but the Oilers keep just hoping it can finally work for them. Just get good players who are better than other teams bottom 6 players. Virtually anyone can be taught to penalty kill and block shots.

The best teams we've had have generally had really good depth. I don't know why the Oilers are stuck on this stupid theory, but it's bonkers. The only thing I could see having some SLIGHT merit is having a strong faceoff guy there if one of your top two isn't one.


People seem to blindly remember the glory years where the broadcasters would label Tikkanen as a shut down specialist despite the fact he was consistently scoring 20 plus goals a year, even after Gretzky left town. Jarret Stoll was a face off specialist and a great PK guy. He also scored 22 goals and gad 68 points.

I hear you, but I’m still hoping it’s the media who perpetuates this ideology. I know it appears that the management group thinks this way, but this top 9 looks to be a strong forechecking team. I’m hopeful.



We have heard them speak specifically this way in the past. Now, that includes a lot of different crappy managers there, but would it surprise anyone if Lowe and Nicholson believed fully in that now? Or Holland for that matter? It's not like he hasn't lived up to his dinosaur reputation in every way.

Worth noting, I wouldn't ever consider Tikkanen as depth player. He most often played with Gretzky and Kurri in his first years with the team, and was a first liner in the 1990 playoffs with over a point per game in the post-season that year. He's 43rd all-time in playoff scoring.

I was more thinking along the lines of the actual 4th line for the 1990 Stanley Cup playoffs - Murphy/Graves/Gelinas aka the Kid Line. They did provide energy, but they were all legitimately good players who were better than the other teams 3rd and 4th lines. Within a couple years, Murphy was scoring a point per game, and a year after that Graves was setting the New York Rangers single season goal record. Gelinas was a solid player for another 15 years after that.

If you look at the early Oilers, guys like Lumley, Hughes, Hunter, MacTavish were all players who could really play. MacTavish was known as a faceoff guy but he was also a really good penalty killer and two-way player (I believe that he also got Selke votes alongside Tikkanen) AND he scored high 30s to low 50s in points every year. There weren't a lot of passengers on those teams or players who just dumped the puck out for 10 minutes a night and hoped for the best while giving the actual players a rest.

A guy like Shore, who only is good at penalty killing for the 1-2 minutes a night he's out there doing that is a liability if his other 8 minutes are all bad.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 11:20

Why is it always considered "coaches bias" when it comes to a player like Benson. Whatever happened to a young player in the position that Benson is in actually WINNING a job rather than the old days where just show up and if you are breathing, you get a job? Whenever camp comes out, there are always certain players who look great in camp and are all the talk. I have yet to hear a camp report where Benson was all the talk, he's always been just OK.

I know some fans won't like to hear this as they like to make excuses but he needs to come into camp and stand out for a change rather than just be in the pack. I get players do need opportunity but the days of just showing up and breathing means you get opportunity should be over. If he wants a job, time to set up and take the job. It's not like the Oilers bottom 6 has been just loaded with amazing players. 3 guys who played in it - Haas, Nygard, P.Russell, are in Europe because they can't NHL players. If Devin Shore who's a 12/13 forward is this huge obstacle that he can't overcome, then maybe that says something about him.


Was there even a camp last year? He was probably ready, but he didn't even get an opportunity. I mean they could have called him up like they did with McLeod, but they chose to stick with depth that scored at an abysmal rate. So yeah, I do call coaches bias on that one.

This year though, camp really shouldn't matter much. How Benson performs in a two week camp is much less important than his results over the past 5 years. I think he's earned the spot on the roster already, at the very least. Benson has 141 points in 156 regular season games in the AHL. He's put in the time and lived in the craphole that is Bakersfield California. He's gotten encouraging results. That means a lot more to me then a 2 week camp.

If they put Benson on waivers because Shore scores a couple more goals in camp, well that's bad decision making. We know he can't score. Unfortunately, Shore looks like he tries really hard though. Coach likes that.




Not to mention, we've seen that the coach has a firm bias towards veteran players over young ones - he has very little tolerance for any mistakes from guys in the front part of their career, but you can score 3 own goals in 4 games as a veteran and still play a regular shift.

I mean, Slater Koekkoek missed 3 months with a broken collarbone, came back and was immediately up the depth chart over Jones - who never saw a moment of playoff hockey. It's not like Koekkoek was great either. We all know about Bouchard's season too.

With the bottom 6, he's shown a preference for rolling out guys in their late 20s, despite pathetically bad results. The party line is that he has little tolerance for risk-taking in the bottom half of the roster, but that in itself is a risk, since the bottom lines basically just hang on for dear life under his current scheme.


Tipp also played a major role in bringing Turris to Edmonton, despite the analytic world saying he was washed up. Turris took a spit out of camp that could have been easily replaced by Marody or Benson last season. I doubt it’s possible to be worse.

I want to live Tipp due to his connection to my home town, but he’s a dinosaur. Never thought I’d clamour for Woodcock, but speaking about holding guys back? He’s going to get a lot of interest after the first NHL coach gets turfed.



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