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 Re: 2019 - 20 NHL Game Thread [message #751574 is a reply to message #743823 ]
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Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?



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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:10

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




Can say at least that a bridge deal would have been a heck of a lot worse for us. Even a 6 year deal like Pastrnak got, would have been bad, expiring just in time for McDavid's last 3 contract seasons, having to give Drai a huge raise.

Chia sucks, but at least he didn't go 110% Chia on this one. I bet if he had to extend Drai last year when he was actively sabotaging the team, he would have signed him to a 2-3 year bridge hehe.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:17

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:10

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




Can say at least that a bridge deal would have been a heck of a lot worse for us. Even a 6 year deal like Pastrnak got, would have been bad, expiring just in time for McDavid's last 3 contract seasons, having to give Drai a huge raise.

Chia sucks, but at least he didn't go 110% Chia on this one. I bet if he had to extend Drai last year when he was actively sabotaging the team, he would have signed him to a 2-3 year bridge hehe.

and the modified no move/no trade clause doesn't kick in until 22/23. Very un-Chia.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:22

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:17

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:10

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




Can say at least that a bridge deal would have been a heck of a lot worse for us. Even a 6 year deal like Pastrnak got, would have been bad, expiring just in time for McDavid's last 3 contract seasons, having to give Drai a huge raise.

Chia sucks, but at least he didn't go 110% Chia on this one. I bet if he had to extend Drai last year when he was actively sabotaging the team, he would have signed him to a 2-3 year bridge hehe.

and the modified no move/no trade clause doesn't kick in until 22/23. Very un-Chia.


I think he may have had no choice. MacT messed over Drai in his first year, burning an ELC year, but demoting him right before he burned an RFA year. So he had the 5 RFA years left that can't have a NTC/NMC.

I'm sure in the end that move by MacT didn't actually help us trying to sign an 8 year deal though :) Probably only was a topic of resentment from the Drai camp.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:17

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:10

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




Can say at least that a bridge deal would have been a heck of a lot worse for us. Even a 6 year deal like Pastrnak got, would have been bad, expiring just in time for McDavid's last 3 contract seasons, having to give Drai a huge raise.

Chia sucks, but at least he didn't go 110% Chia on this one. I bet if he had to extend Drai last year when he was actively sabotaging the team, he would have signed him to a 2-3 year bridge hehe.


If there were two less years on the deal, it might mean a BIG raise in those years, but the cap theoretically is much higher then too.

I'm with CrudeRemarks - Chia re-set the market with the Draisaitl contract, overpaying him compared to any relevant comparable at the time, mostly because A) he delayed signing him when they were willing to sign for a million a year more (leaked later by MacT or others in Oilers mgmt), and B) because he was petrified that there could actually be an offer sheet - although it's unlikely it would have looked any worse than that if there was one - someone would have been making an enormously risky bet to put up that many first rounders and $9+MM per season for Draisaitl. If he wasn't able to live up to it, that's a contract that gets you fired.

Ultimately, it's not the end of the world, but it would be nice to have an extra $1.0 - $1.5MM to play with right now. Unfortunately, that's just the price you pay when you hire Panicky Peter Chiarelli and ask him to be your chief negotiator.



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 Re: 2019 - 20 NHL Game Thread [message #751616 is a reply to message #751588 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 17:18

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:17

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:10

NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

I think the Capitals know they are buying extra years at an overpay to keep him during their competitive window. He's a remarkably consistent player and there are plenty of comparables (including Draisatl). When Draisatl signed it was a million bucks higher than any comparable. Resetting the market, having it work out for you, and then claiming he is a bargain isn't the same thing as negotiating well.

Imagine if he was signed for Mackinnon numbers. We could afford more buyouts!




Can say at least that a bridge deal would have been a heck of a lot worse for us. Even a 6 year deal like Pastrnak got, would have been bad, expiring just in time for McDavid's last 3 contract seasons, having to give Drai a huge raise.

Chia sucks, but at least he didn't go 110% Chia on this one. I bet if he had to extend Drai last year when he was actively sabotaging the team, he would have signed him to a 2-3 year bridge hehe.


If there were two less years on the deal, it might mean a BIG raise in those years, but the cap theoretically is much higher then too.

I'm with CrudeRemarks - Chia re-set the market with the Draisaitl contract, overpaying him compared to any relevant comparable at the time, mostly because A) he delayed signing him when they were willing to sign for a million a year more (leaked later by MacT or others in Oilers mgmt), and B) because he was petrified that there could actually be an offer sheet - although it's unlikely it would have looked any worse than that if there was one - someone would have been making an enormously risky bet to put up that many first rounders and $9+MM per season for Draisaitl. If he wasn't able to live up to it, that's a contract that gets you fired.

Ultimately, it's not the end of the world, but it would be nice to have an extra $1.0 - $1.5MM to play with right now. Unfortunately, that's just the price you pay when you hire Panicky Peter Chiarelli and ask him to be your chief negotiator.


Sorry, but you guys are the Chia's of finding silver linings in things.



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And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.




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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.

Not every organization can have our enviable stability.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:21

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.

Not every organization can have our enviable stability.


Still crazy that they let Wilson fire another coach. Dude is bulletproof. Does he get to replace Bob Boughner too as they waddle to giving Ottawa a lottery pick?

DeBoer likes De Boring hockey. Wonder how dramatic Vegas's style will change.

[Updated on: Wed, 15 January 2020 09:24]


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GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.

[Updated on: Wed, 15 January 2020 09:36]


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Yeah, this doesn’t make a lot of sense, unless they think this is La Liga and they are Real Madrid.


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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:34

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 11:17

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:34

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.



Got to the finals in their first season. Nothing less is acceptable now.

Yes why aren’t they in the finals yet?



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 11:32

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 11:17

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:34

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.



Got to the finals in their first season. Nothing less is acceptable now.

Yes why aren’t they in the finals yet?


Not even sitting in a playoff spot right now. They should be running away with this sad division.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:34

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.



This is why I always have hope that the Oilers could get much better much quicker. Many other NHL teams are also run by bozos. McCrimmon is a first year GM, so he was in a hurry to make his mark on the team...and so he's fired a coach at the absolute first chance - despite that coach winning the Jack Adams and coaching a bunch of rejects - mostly selected in order to get the team high draft picks - to the Stanley Cup Finals as a first year expansion team.

You have to wonder if McCrimmon's been waiting since he became GM in May to pull the trigger on Gallant.

I wonder if he's also tired of Marchessault and Theodore...



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Adam wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 11:44

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 09:34

GabbyDugan wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 08:06

And yet another NHL coach is fired.

https://www.tsn.ca/vegas-golden-knights-fire-gerard-gallant- hire-ex-san-jose-sharks-coach-peter-deboer-1.1427748

That makes 7 head coaches fired in the NHL this season, including DeBoer, who was dumped by the Sharks.


Why would Vegas do this? I have no explanation. They were literally top of the division a few days ago.

Something else happened.



This is why I always have hope that the Oilers could get much better much quicker. Many other NHL teams are also run by bozos. McCrimmon is a first year GM, so he was in a hurry to make his mark on the team...and so he's fired a coach at the absolute first chance - despite that coach winning the Jack Adams and coaching a bunch of rejects - mostly selected in order to get the team high draft picks - to the Stanley Cup Finals as a first year expansion team.

You have to wonder if McCrimmon's been waiting since he became GM in May to pull the trigger on Gallant.

I wonder if he's also tired of Marchessault and Theodore...


Those rejects played the best hockey of their lives for him. Although, not sure how much credit he actually deserves for guys trying to prove themselves, many in contract years. Vegas stole a lot of quality players too, and got godly goaltending all year that first season. Again, not sure how much credit Gallant deserves there either. McLellan was up for the Adams too, and he lost it to the guy that had the Vezina winner on his team. Many a coach has been a hero for having crazy goaltending.

His team definitely collapsed in a horrible way last playoffs. You almost never see 4 goals allowed on a major, yet they managed to do it at the worst possible time. And now they are floundering with a max cap team with loads of quality players still around their primes enjoying their retirement contracts on it.

This is pretty much the team Vegas has to roll with for some years now. Better figure it out if they can't be better than 5 games over .500 more than half way through the season. I hope they don't of course. McCrimmon may not have been a fan of the wide open have fun gambling style. He's flipped it with one of the most boring coaches he could get.

[Updated on: Wed, 15 January 2020 11:58]


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Yes. It's useless to compare UFA contracts signed today with RFA contracts signed 3 years ago.


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NetBOG wrote on Tue, 14 January 2020 14:03

Caps extend 32 year old Nick Backstrom for 5x$9.2 million.

Anybody out there still complaining about the Drai contract?

Yup, there will be people complaining about it until the day its over.

Backstrom is a really good player and I suppose it's the going rate but they are giving a guy 9.2 mill for 5 years when he will be 33 in November. So he will be 38 when the deal is done and chances are he will start to decline real quick.



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Hot start for the Jets! Up 2 on Vancouver 1:55 into the game.

They do us a solid, we can do them a solid.

Nevermind. Only 1-0. Successful offside challenge on second goal.



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Also, hahaha maaaan apparently the Wild are playing with 5 Dmen tonight because they didn’t list a 6th defenseman on the lineup sheet... lmao

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 13:24

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Green in Vancouver and Tochett in Phoenix... is he counting TMac as having a longer tenure though they both started in their respective spots this season?



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I believe Eakins, Tippett, and McLellan would be tied for 3rd longest tenured coach.


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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:26

I believe Eakins, Tippett, and McLellan would be tied for 3rd longest tenured coach.

Oh yeah! Eakins too. I forgot about him in Anaheim hahaha



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 13:27

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:26

I believe Eakins, Tippett, and McLellan would be tied for 3rd longest tenured coach.

Oh yeah! Eakins too. I forgot about him in Anaheim hahaha


Since we're dealing with so many single seasons, Eakins has only coached 46 games, vs 48 by McLellan and Tippett.

Now we have to get down to minutes.

McLellan has coached 2908:48
Tippett behind him with only 2904:23 :)

(I am doubting Micheals checked that, and was just taking a quick guess for the 4th number)



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:38

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 13:27

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:26

I believe Eakins, Tippett, and McLellan would be tied for 3rd longest tenured coach.

Oh yeah! Eakins too. I forgot about him in Anaheim hahaha


Since we're dealing with so many single seasons, Eakins has only coached 46 games, vs 48 by McLellan and Tippett.

Now we have to get down to minutes.

McLellan has coached 2908:48
Tippett behind him with only 2904:23 :)

(I am doubting Micheals checked that, and was just taking a quick guess for the 4th number)


There ya go! Tip is the 4th longest tenured coach in the division. Can’t see him climbing the ladder any further this year.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 13:45

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:38

Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 13:27

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 14:26

I believe Eakins, Tippett, and McLellan would be tied for 3rd longest tenured coach.

Oh yeah! Eakins too. I forgot about him in Anaheim hahaha


Since we're dealing with so many single seasons, Eakins has only coached 46 games, vs 48 by McLellan and Tippett.

Now we have to get down to minutes.

McLellan has coached 2908:48
Tippett behind him with only 2904:23 :)

(I am doubting Micheals checked that, and was just taking a quick guess for the 4th number)


There ya go! Tip is the 4th longest tenured coach in the division. Can’t see him climbing the ladder any further this year.


Just need more OT's!



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McLellen was hired in April
Tippett was hired in May
Eakins was hired in June



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 16:13

McLellen was hired in April
Tippett was hired in May
Eakins was hired in June


It would have been nice to see LV hire MacTavish or the Ghost of Pat Quinn in order to continue the trend...



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 15 January 2020 16:13

McLellen was hired in April
Tippett was hired in May
Eakins was hired in June


https://media.tenor.com/images/6b48532660a1aa4ed7009bea44129cfc/tenor.gif

Haven't looked at the bottom of the standings recently. Nice to see these long (on average) tenured former Oilers coaches duking it out for last in the West :)



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The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 15:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


Agreed - on the list of coaches I thought were on the hot seat, Gallant was pretty close to the bottom. Doesn't make any sense.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 12:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 15:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


Agreed - on the list of coaches I thought were on the hot seat, Gallant was pretty close to the bottom. Doesn't make any sense.


If Vegas was completely out of the playoffs near the bottom then maybe I could sort of see it but a team in the Pacific can go from first to out in a matter of days because the standings are so tight. If Vegas thought they were just going to run away with the division then I think their management was delusional.

IF people saw some of the Vegas players being interviewed, those guys looked like they were ready to burst into tears. They had Schmidt one of their better dmen sitting their looking distraught saying how sorry he was and how he loved playing for Gallant. Fleury was saying almost the exact same thing.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 12:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 15:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


Agreed - on the list of coaches I thought were on the hot seat, Gallant was pretty close to the bottom. Doesn't make any sense.



New GM trying to put his own stamp on things. That's my read. Maybe he thinks he's going to be the next Lou Lamoriello and that the dismissal will rally the team. Maybe it even will...but it's a risky strategy, especially bringing in a coach with a pretty dramatically different philosphy historically.

Interesting that it was the coach who beat the Knights last year because of that crazy rally - which I don't think had much, if anything, to do with coaching.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 12:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


2nd time he's been fired leaving people confused. Maybe he's a prickly guy when dealing with management. By all accounts, with players, it sounds like he's a pretty hands off just have fun kind of coach. I suppose that is also something some GMs might not appreciate :) Works when the players are all fired up and self motivating, but Vegas has been slowly loosing their 1st season mojo for a while. They are just another team now full of guys enjoying the big bucks with loads of long term deals. Hands off probably isn't gonna be working so well anymore.

And just in general, Vegas fans are expecting great things still. 4 game losing streak is no good. Gonna take some years of disappointment (which hopefully are coming) to fully reset fan expectations after that first season.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 12:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


2nd time he's been fired leaving people confused. Maybe he's a prickly guy when dealing with management. By all accounts, with players, it sounds like he's a pretty hands off just have fun kind of coach. I suppose that is also something some GMs might not appreciate :) Works when the players are all fired up and self motivating, but Vegas has been slowly loosing their 1st season mojo for a while. They are just another team now full of guys enjoying the big bucks with loads of long term deals. Hands off probably isn't gonna be working so well anymore.

And just in general, Vegas fans are expecting great things still. 4 game losing streak is no good. Gonna take some years of disappointment (which hopefully are coming) to fully reset fan expectations after that first season.


I don't know - that's still a pretty strong looking roster. Two REALLY good forward lines, a star goalie and a couple of 40+ point defencemen. There's probably some depth areas where they could be better, but that's true of every team. I think that Vegas is one of those teams that could be like St. Louis last year where if they make the playoffs you'll have to watch out for them. If Fleury stays healthy and gets a little hot, then they can make a deep run.

Worth noting, his .906 save percentage and Subban's .898 are probably contributors to the struggles they have had. Fleury was .927 their first season and .913 last year. Subban's middling - but he was .910 in Year 1 and .902 last year, so across the board regression in save percentage is going to make it harder to win.




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Adam wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 13:28

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 13:17

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 12:36

Mike wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 10:55

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 16 January 2020 11:43

The Gallant firing makes zero sense to me.

Vegas is an expansion team that is in year 4. What they have done to date - making the finals, being in the playoffs every year and being one of the top teams in their division every year - doesn't happen. It probably won't happen again. They think they are underperforming and it was the coaches fault. But are they?

The Pacific Division is very tight. The Flames have built a decent team. At some point logic dictates the Oilers would be better at least to some degree. The Canucks have been building and at some point logic dictates they should get better. Same goes for Arizona. As a team, you don't give over 11 mill to Karlsson to rebuild so the Sharks would be trying to be competitive. So with Vegas, that's 5 teams all of whom are battling for 3 playoff spots. Then you factor in the guy they lean on the most and who's been amazing for them is a now 35 yr old goalie. They have crap back ups which they haven't addressed in 4 yrs. At some point a 35 yr old Fleury is going to slow down just a touch, that's life. With the NHL being soooooo tight, if your goalie falls off just a tiny bit which happens when you get older, all those 3-2, 2-1 games you won before can easily switch. Then you look at their team. Their defense in year 4 is mostly the same. It was mediocre when they came into the league and it hasn't improved. If anything, it got worse is trading away Miller. If a person looks at what Vegas has focused on and spent money on, it's forwards. They resigned Marchessault and Karlsson to bigger money deals. They signed Stastny to a UFA deal. They traded for and signed Pacioretty. They traded for and signed Stone. Did they really need both guys?

So in the last 2 seasons, they spent 23 mill on 3 forwards and not a dime on defense. They actually traded away defense in Miller. When you have Engelland who before Vegas was a 6/7 dman, who's now 37 playing almost 18 mins a night, that will hurt you. Merrill who's a 3rd pairing dman plays almost 19 mins, McNabb who's probably a 3rd pairing guy plays almost 20. If you look at their defense, they might have one of the weaker defense cores in their division. So I don't know if they are underachieving.

I think Vegas over the last couple of seasons forgot they were an expansion team and got caught up in their lightning in a bottle early success. They are operating like they are a seasoned, NHL contending team. They are trading away assets to bring in players for the here and now like a team with a deep farm system can do. They don't have a deep farm system. To trade assets and sign guys to big money deals, you have to have a steady stream of young guys coming up to offset things. They don't. In addition, they haven't addressed their defense and in a league where it's moving towards more and more fast skating, puck moving dmen, they are moving away from that. I think over the last season or 2 Vegas has made a few what I call borderline mistakes. I think this is their first MAJOR mistake.


They are in their 3rd season.


Oops, I had it in my mind they have been around longer than they are. The fact it's even shorter than I had said makes the firing even more puzzling to me.


2nd time he's been fired leaving people confused. Maybe he's a prickly guy when dealing with management. By all accounts, with players, it sounds like he's a pretty hands off just have fun kind of coach. I suppose that is also something some GMs might not appreciate :) Works when the players are all fired up and self motivating, but Vegas has been slowly loosing their 1st season mojo for a while. They are just another team now full of guys enjoying the big bucks with loads of long term deals. Hands off probably isn't gonna be working so well anymore.

And just in general, Vegas fans are expecting great things still. 4 game losing streak is no good. Gonna take some years of disappointment (which hopefully are coming) to fully reset fan expectations after that first season.


I don't know - that's still a pretty strong looking roster. Two REALLY good forward lines, a star goalie and a couple of 40+ point defencemen. There's probably some depth areas where they could be better, but that's true of every team. I think that Vegas is one of those teams that could be like St. Louis last year where if they make the playoffs you'll have to watch out for them. If Fleury stays healthy and gets a little hot, then they can make a deep run.

Worth noting, his .906 save percentage and Subban's .898 are probably contributors to the struggles they have had. Fleury was .927 their first season and .913 last year. Subban's middling - but he was .910 in Year 1 and .902 last year, so across the board regression in save percentage is going to make it harder to win.




It is a pretty good roster, I agree. Just not performing up to expectations. Goal-tending is certainly a reason. Kind of cancels out the pure magic of their 1st year where no goalie on that roster could do any wrong.

Will be curious to see how their play style changes. It's a big shift of coaching style. The Bore is pretty hardcore.

Seattle should hire Gallant for their 1st season. Then just fire him right after it's over and get someone else for year 2+, even if you win the cup :)

[Updated on: Thu, 16 January 2020 13:41]


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