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Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808658]	Tue, 07 June 2022 13:06

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This is my favorite post of the post game thread

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 11:04

One nice thing about this run...no more excuses now. Fans will expect a run to the cup from management every year.

Seems like a good way to start building the bridge between a very positive 2022 playoff run into the conference final and what has to be done before next year so the Oilmobile (fanboni?) doesn't swan dive into the river. I like the team having expectations.

We saw some positives with McDavid, broken Drai, Woodcroft, some forward depth, Ceci, JP, and Kulak perform at or above expectations. However I think it's fair to be concerned about the 4th line, JP, Nurse rebounding from his injury and returning to 2021 form, the rest of the defense, and the entire goaltending situation.

Do we expect a wave of rookies to step up? Is it big game coach hunting time? What the heck do you do with Kane (has anyone asked Crude what he thinks?) I wouldn't mind a smart free agent signing and if someone could get a freaking goalie, that would be nice.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808665 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:16

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1 Cup

7.13M in cap space
4.17M in Klefbom LTIR money

If I understand it correctly, that gives us 10.3M to play around with before clearing any space.

Notable RFAs - Qualifying Offer:
Jesse Puljujarvi - 1.41M
Kailer Yamamoto - 1.18M
Ryan McLeod - 814K
Tyler Benson - 788K
Brandon Perlini - 788K

Notable UFAs:
Evander Kane
Brett Kulak
Josh Archibald
Mikko Koskinen
Derick Brassard
Colton Sceviour
Kyle Turris
Cooper Marody
Brad Malone

Current roster - 75.4M:
xxxx - McDavid - xxxx
xxxx - Draisaitl - Hyman
xxxx - Nugent-Hopkins - xxxx
Foegele - Ryan - Kassian

Extras: Shore, xxxx

Nurse - Ceci
Keith - Bouchard
xxxx - Barrie

Extras: Broberg

Smith
Skinner

To Do List
1) Bring back Woodcroft.

2) Let Woodcroft assemble his entire staff. From assistant coaches, to goalie coaches, to video coaches etc. If he doesn't want Gulutzan and company back, that's his call.

3) Feel out Kane, see where his San Jose grievance goes. Don't break the bank or go long.

4) Clear cap space. Convince Mike Smith and Duncan Keith to retire, or go on LTIR. Trade Kassian. Look at market for Foegele and Barrie.

5) Re-sign Yamamoto, Puljujarvi, and McLeod.

6) Bargain hunt for top 6 wingers.

7) Get a starting goalie

8) Re-sign Kulak.

9) Get another top 4 offensive defenseman. I really like Chychrun and his contract.

10) Qualify Benson

Final Roster
Kane - McDavid - Yamamoto
NEW - Draisaitl - Hyman
McLeod - Nugent-Hopkins - Puljujarvi
Foegele - Ryan - NEW

Extras: Benson, Holloway

Nurse - Ceci
NEW - Bouchard
Kulak - Barrie

Extras: Broberg

NEW
Skinner

IN: 2LW, 4RW, 2LD, 1G
OUT: Smith, Keith, Kassian, Shore

Lots of cap to clear and work to be done.

[Updated on: Tue, 07 June 2022 15:11]

Clean house or bust

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808668 is a reply to message #808665 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:31

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ideally you want all your RFA's.
Mcleod for... 1.25?
PJ for 3.5 Yam for 2

then the UFA's

these guys can all take a walk
Josh Archibald
Mikko Koskinen
Derick Brassard
Colton Sceviour
Kyle Turris

leaving you with 3.55 for both...
Evander Kane - if the rumours are true and whatever he's paid on the new contract reduces SJ's payment, league minimum.
Brett Kulak - he can have the rest. (but he won't and will sign elsewhere for 4-5)

I don't think those are all good prices... but if PJ is coming in wanting 4, don't think he settles for less. Do you let him walk after the underlying numbers he put up all year? he elevated every line and every team mate. just disappeared in the playoffs.
Yamamoto was the opposite. he was a ghost for most of the year but came alive for the last month or so and playoffs.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808675 is a reply to message #808668 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 15:13

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:31

ideally you want all your RFA's.
Mcleod for... 1.25?
PJ for 3.5 Yam for 2

then the UFA's

these guys can all take a walk
Josh Archibald
Mikko Koskinen
Derick Brassard
Colton Sceviour
Kyle Turris

leaving you with 3.55 for both...
Evander Kane - if the rumours are true and whatever he's paid on the new contract reduces SJ's payment, league minimum.
Brett Kulak - he can have the rest. (but he won't and will sign elsewhere for 4-5)

I don't think those are all good prices... but if PJ is coming in wanting 4, don't think he settles for less. Do you let him walk after the underlying numbers he put up all year? he elevated every line and every team mate. just disappeared in the playoffs.
Yamamoto was the opposite. he was a ghost for most of the year but came alive for the last month or so and playoffs.

What makes you think JP gets more than Yamo? Yamo had more goals, points granted he played more games. But he averaged more ice time especially in the last 1/3 of the season and playoffs. Plus he got time on both special teams. I'd think those numbers you suggest would be flipped.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808725 is a reply to message #808675 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 12:01

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advanced stats. Every player on every line played better, had more possession time, progressed the puck offensively, had more and better shots consistently when they played with PJ regardless if it was line 1 2 or 3.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808728 is a reply to message #808725 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 12:15

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 12:01

advanced stats. Every player on every line played better, had more possession time, progressed the puck offensively, had more and better shots consistently when they played with PJ regardless if it was line 1 2 or 3.

We just got owned by a similar player that seemed lost and had no finish in his game but kept looking good with analytics because he has good speed and positioning and reads the game well. The infamous Nichushkin. The buddy that scored the series winner on us is similar as well, Lehkonen. Wonder how much Colorado wishes they signed Nichushkin long term before this season. He's UFA now.

Colorado found these guys to fill out their lineup with guys that keep pushing the play in the right direction. You keep adding players that are finding ways to ensure the puck is moving to the offensive zone that adds up, even if they aren't scoring, they keep reducing the chance you'll get scored on that helps your high end talents have more of a buffer to work with.

One day Jesse will figure out how to contribute more on the score sheet. Hope it is with us.

[Updated on: Wed, 08 June 2022 12:44]

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808667 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

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Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808670 is a reply to message #808667 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:39

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

Kenny will be backing up Skinner.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808671 is a reply to message #808670 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:42

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:39

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

Kenny will be backing up Skinner.

Kenny is gonna sign himself for 5M isn't he? :(

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

"In Brad we trust"
- All Oilers fans, Present Day

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808672 is a reply to message #808671 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 14:48

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:42

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:39

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

Kenny will be backing up Skinner.

Kenny is gonna sign himself for 5M isn't he? :(

What perfect timing Konovalov had, leaving for Russia(?). Not saying he was the answer but the depth in this org is soooo weak at G.

Truly believe we will see a Kuemper signing this offseason.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808673 is a reply to message #808672 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 15:08

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:48

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:42

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:39

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

Kenny will be backing up Skinner.

Kenny is gonna sign himself for 5M isn't he? :(

What perfect timing Konovalov had, leaving for Russia(?). Not saying he was the answer but the depth in this org is soooo weak at G.

Truly believe we will see a Kuemper signing this offseason.

So injury prone. Rather see Husso and let Fanti and Skinner fight it out for the back-up role.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808693 is a reply to message #808673 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 18:37

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:08

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:48

What perfect timing Konovalov had, leaving for Russia(?). Not saying he was the answer but the depth in this org is soooo weak at G.

Truly believe we will see a Kuemper signing this offseason.

So injury prone. Rather see Husso and let Fanti and Skinner fight it out for the back-up role.

I think Fanti will be the dark horse prospect..

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808730 is a reply to message #808693 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 12:31

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 18:37

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:08

Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:48

What perfect timing Konovalov had, leaving for Russia(?). Not saying he was the answer but the depth in this org is soooo weak at G.

Truly believe we will see a Kuemper signing this offseason.

So injury prone. Rather see Husso and let Fanti and Skinner fight it out for the back-up role.

I think Fanti will be the dark horse prospect..

Fanti is a much bigger goalie than Konovalov which is what teams look for. The ability of the KHL to pay guys like Konovalov better than they would get in the AHL, especially for Russian players is a reason I would shy away from Russians draft picks. If a player isn't dead set on being an NHLer and just has a goal to just play pro hockey and make a good living, tough to compete with the KHL. He would have been making 70K in the AHL. I don't know what he was making before he came over and what he will be making now, but I bet it's many, many times more than 70K.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808674 is a reply to message #808672 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 15:10

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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:48

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:42

inverno76 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:39

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 14:29

Gregor on Smith:

Quote:

I’ve heard rumblings that Smith is considering retirement. His salary next season ($2.5m) is higher than his AAV ($2.2m) so if he does retire he won’t count against the cap. He fought back his emotions in his post-game presser last night. He’s an emotional person, so maybe it was simply the disappointment of losing, but the structure of his contract, having his sons attend post-game pressers at times this playoffs, his age and his emotion last night, make me think retirement is a legit possibility. He will get a job in management/hockey operations somewhere when his career his over, if he wants it. He’s bright, works hard and is very likeable. He proved he can still compete, and play well, in the NHL this year, but does he want to do all the work in the off-season to get ready for next season?

https://oilersnation.com/2022/06/07/the-next-steps-for-edmon ton-oilers-re-signings-a-trade-and-a-possible-retirement/?ut m_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

We might have zero NHL goalies July 1st. Good.

Kenny will be backing up Skinner.

Kenny is gonna sign himself for 5M isn't he? :(

What perfect timing Konovalov had, leaving for Russia(?). Not saying he was the answer but the depth in this org is soooo weak at G.

Truly believe we will see a Kuemper signing this offseason.

I didn't ever see full details of Konovalov. Do we not still own his rights if he comes to the NHL? Not expecting he would soon, but if he does decide to come back before he's 27 or whatever the age would be.

Jason Kuemper, aka Darcy Allison, probably is the easiest option out there. Probably not a huge pool of potential teams after him because of his endless injury stuff, plus we're desperate. I don't want to see the first NHL goalie that spontaneously combusts for reasons no one will every understand during a game be on our team though.

[Updated on: Tue, 07 June 2022 15:12]

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808688 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 16:50

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Not to be all gloom and doom, but it feels like '06. We made a unlikely "run", but we've got glaring holes, and a bad management team.

LA was missing their two best players and we scraped by. Calgary's goalie averaged 0.864% in the series...and then we got swept.

Woodcroft has a small body of work, we were one of the only teams to offer to take a 40 goal problem (see ya later class), and the old boys club from Team Canada/the Glory Years still run hockey operations.

Lost in all of this is that we managed Draisatl's injury the same as we always have, and to boot we took a kid (1st rounder) and played him in an elimination game with less than a full season in the AHL (he's under a ppg there - and he played 3mins in said game).

We still have a massive hole in net, we are weak on D, and we don't have the cap space for easy fixes. Buying out Kassian, trading Yammer and Puljarvi are options...I just have no faith in Ken Holland.

Anyway, happy to be wrong, WCF was a fantastic result...but this was our everything went right year in my mind (Dallas/MTL/and the many before them). Maybe the propaganda machine will change how I see things by the opener. Have a nice summer.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808690 is a reply to message #808688 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 17:02

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 15:50

Not to be all gloom and doom, but it feels like '06. We made a unlikely "run", but we've got glaring holes, and a bad management team.

LA was missing their two best players and we scraped by. Calgary's goalie averaged 0.864% in the series...and then we got swept.

Woodcroft has a small body of work, we were one of the only teams to offer to take a 40 goal problem (see ya later class), and the old boys club from Team Canada/the Glory Years still run hockey operations.

Lost in all of this is that we managed Draisatl's injury the same as we always have, and to boot we took a kid (1st rounder) and played him in an elimination game with less than a full season in the AHL (he's under a ppg there - and he played 3mins in said game).

We still have a massive hole in net, we are weak on D, and we don't have the cap space for easy fixes. Buying out Kassian, trading Yammer and Puljarvi are options...I just have no faith in Ken Holland.

Anyway, happy to be wrong, WCF was a fantastic result...but this was our everything went right year in my mind (Dallas/MTL/and the many before them). Maybe the propaganda machine will change how I see things by the opener. Have a nice summer.

I can’t compare it at all to 06. I think that team was way more complete, we just didn’t show it in the standings because they didn’t get a goalie until the deadline. Certainly the backend was miles ahead, because of Pronger.

I’d say that everything went as expected for the team as it is built. It was chaotic journey, but 2 top players and some other good scorers are enough to win 8 playoff games in the weakest division. Just not any more. Until goaltending and defense are improved, it’s hard to see us beating the Colorado’s and Tampa Bay’s.

Clean house or bust

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808692 is a reply to message #808690 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 17:30

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The '06 team was good 5v5...but a lot of career years and Toskala / Legace blowing up their careers back to back helped. Rollie was on an awesome run too.

MacT and Lowe were supposed to be gone after the '06 season. We were supposed to miss the playoffs and they both were getting the axe. Then magic...after the run we were bad enough long enough to set a no playoffs record and draft first 4 times!!!. The year we got McDavid we were supposed to be good but face planted bad enough to keep pace with Buffalo in the inverse standings, and they traded their starting goalie away when he started winning a few!

Get Kevin Lowe and his cronies out of this organisation and my feelings on the future will do a 180...I'm not alone on that feeling I'm sure.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808698 is a reply to message #808692 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 19:30

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Rutuu wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 17:30

Get Kevin Lowe and his cronies out of this organisation and my feelings on the future will do a 180...I'm not alone on that feeling I'm sure.

You’re not alone.

I would be excited if Katz sold them.

That’s the only way a flush is going to happen here.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808752 is a reply to message #808690 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 15:52

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 17:02

Rutuu wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 15:50

Not to be all gloom and doom, but it feels like '06. We made a unlikely "run", but we've got glaring holes, and a bad management team.

LA was missing their two best players and we scraped by. Calgary's goalie averaged 0.864% in the series...and then we got swept.

Woodcroft has a small body of work, we were one of the only teams to offer to take a 40 goal problem (see ya later class), and the old boys club from Team Canada/the Glory Years still run hockey operations.

Lost in all of this is that we managed Draisatl's injury the same as we always have, and to boot we took a kid (1st rounder) and played him in an elimination game with less than a full season in the AHL (he's under a ppg there - and he played 3mins in said game).

We still have a massive hole in net, we are weak on D, and we don't have the cap space for easy fixes. Buying out Kassian, trading Yammer and Puljarvi are options...I just have no faith in Ken Holland.

Anyway, happy to be wrong, WCF was a fantastic result...but this was our everything went right year in my mind (Dallas/MTL/and the many before them). Maybe the propaganda machine will change how I see things by the opener. Have a nice summer.

I can’t compare it at all to 06. I think that team was way more complete, we just didn’t show it in the standings because they didn’t get a goalie until the deadline. Certainly the backend was miles ahead, because of Pronger.

I’d say that everything went as expected for the team as it is built. It was chaotic journey, but 2 top players and some other good scorers are enough to win 8 playoff games in the weakest division. Just not any more. Until goaltending and defense are improved, it’s hard to see us beating the Colorado’s and Tampa Bay’s.

It is really hard to compare to 2006. That was an all-in year, with half the team on expiring contracts. Because we lost and lost Pronger, we basically were only able to retain Pisani (at inflated dollars) and Roloson while we lost Spacek, Laraque, Peca, Samsonov, Ulanov, Murray, Harvey.

This year we have almost no UFAs - certainly not much like Spacek, Peca or Samsonov that we would be loathe to lose. I don't think the team will make any effort to sign Koskinen, Archibald, Brassard, Sceviour, Russell or Turris. Kane is probably the one exception, and I expect us to be outbid for his services (maybe I'm just hoping though and we end up doing something silly). I would like to see the Oilers try to sign Kulak, although I'm not blowing my brains out on that deal either.

Maybe the biggest UFA is the coaching team. Woodcroft should be re-signed pronto with Manson. If the team delays, they risk disaster.

The bigger issue here is that we have RFAs (McLeod, Yamamoto, Puljujarvi) and big holes (goalie, depth, defence) and limited cap space. The GM needs to be creative, and that hasn't been a specialty of Mr. Holland.

He should find a new home for Kassian and Barrie. That should not be done through buyouts. Find ways to get someone to take them, and understand that to someone they probably both have value. If he approaches it like they're just problems to be rid of, someone is going to take him to the cleaners again on any deal.

He should try very hard to get Duncan Keith to retire - possibly giving him a special advisor to the GM role for, I dunno, say, $1.5MM a year. He can even do the role from Kelowna!

I think the team should hope that this is also end of the line for Mike Smith. He was teasing a retirement, if I'm GM, I'm agreeing with him that he's probably done and should definitely consider how nice it would be to spend more time with his family.

If I'm the owner, I'm having the same conversation with Ken Holland. You're old, you suck at your job, and you could be just enjoying life on a beach somewhere, so quit and let us give the job to someone less crappy. (Sadly I don't believe this will happen).

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808691 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 17:24

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I don’t understand how this works but if Duncan Keith retires this season, the Oilers actually would be relieved of his 5.5M cap hit and additionally get a 3.4M cap credit. That’s 8.9M total.

That’s huge. Oilers need to take advantage. Offer him a job for the salary he would make playing.

https://twitter.com/puckpedia/status/1414728523604918274?lan g=en

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If Keith were to retire after the 21-22 season:
-#BlackHawks would have a $5.5M cap hit in 22-23 & a $2M cap hit 23-24
-#LetsGoOilers would lose his $5.5M actual cap hit in 22-23 & instead have a $3.4M negative cap hit (cap savings), for a swing of $8.9M

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808694 is a reply to message #808691 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 18:41

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 16:24

I don’t understand how this works but if Duncan Keith retires this season, the Oilers actually would be relieved of his 5.5M cap hit and additionally get a 3.4M cap credit. That’s 8.9M total.

That’s huge. Oilers need to take advantage. Offer him a job for the salary he would make playing.

https://twitter.com/puckpedia/status/1414728523604918274?lan g=en

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If Keith were to retire after the 21-22 season:
-#BlackHawks would have a $5.5M cap hit in 22-23 & a $2M cap hit 23-24
-#LetsGoOilers would lose his $5.5M actual cap hit in 22-23 & instead have a $3.4M negative cap hit (cap savings), for a swing of $8.9M

I mentioned this in "speculation" a while ago.. the other BIG kicker is that Chicago will be on the hook for Keith's cap hit if he retires.. if he goes on LTIR then they don't.. might be worth a draft pick to convince him to LTIR? .. icon_nod

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 03 April 2022 15:00

Not saying Keith would ever consider doing this, or if he should, but its an interesting feature of NHL regulations when a player retires, and the long term cap implications are to the team that traded him... eg. Luongo > Canucks

I never realized the huge implications would be to Chicago for Keith.
If Keith were to decide to retire, I'd tell Chicago instead of you taking a $7.5M cap hit, we'll put Keith on LTIR.. if you give us a 1st rounder.. or Kirby Dach! :)

From Puckpedia
https://puckpedia.com/salary-cap/answers/duncan-keith-potent ial-recapture

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Duncan Keith Potential Recapture
If Keith retires after the upcoming season, what are the repercussions?

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Jul 13, 2021
If Keith were to retire after this 21-22 season (with 1 season remaining), it would trigger a recapture cap hit for Chicago and Edmonton. The recapture is the difference between the cap hit and the compensation for all the years the player played on a team. For Keith, if he retired after 21-22, the recapture would be:

-Chicago recapture charge of $7,476,918. The charge would be allocated as $5,538,462 (Keith's original cap Hit) in 22-23, and the remaining $1,938,456 in 23-24

-Edmonton recapture benefit of $3,438,462 in 22-23; this is a negative cap hit (cap savings)

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808696 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Tue, 07 June 2022 18:57

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Puljujarvi has arb rights.. but based on his production I can't see him getting awarded more than $2.25M.. his qualifying offer is well below that..

I love the player and his character, but he still has way too many holes to fill as an NHL player.. not a great skater, not very puck smart, not a stick handler, not a sniper, rarely plays the body, which is his greatest asset.. He's 24.. draft +6 years, and still a project.. With their cap space so tight, Oilers can't afford to gift JP more money than he's earned to this point.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808709 is a reply to message #808696 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 08:59

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 18:57

Puljujarvi has arb rights.. but based on his production I can't see him getting awarded more than $2.25M.. his qualifying offer is well below that..

I love the player and his character, but he still has way too many holes to fill as an NHL player.. not a great skater, not very puck smart, not a stick handler, not a sniper, rarely plays the body, which is his greatest asset.. He's 24.. draft +6 years, and still a project.. With their cap space so tight, Oilers can't afford to gift JP more money than he's earned to this point.

Despite what some people think in here, I do like JP. I just don't where to play him or what to pay him. He's got all the physical tools to be a good top 6 guy. He does lots of little things well and at times can look effective in the top 6 but at times leaves you really wanting. I heard yesterday on Gregor's show - take it for what it's worth - but supposedly the Oilers leaders had to go to JP and tell him he needed to pick up his play and get in there in the playoffs. So I am not sure right now I would want to sign him to a long term contract at say 4 mill a season. You do that thinking that in a year or 2, he will be grossly outperforming it but right now, I don't know if he would. If he stays how he is right now which looks like a fairly effective but primarily 3rd line guy, you can't be paying a 3rd line winger 4 mill.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808712 is a reply to message #808709 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 09:54

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:59

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 18:57

Puljujarvi has arb rights.. but based on his production I can't see him getting awarded more than $2.25M.. his qualifying offer is well below that..

I love the player and his character, but he still has way too many holes to fill as an NHL player.. not a great skater, not very puck smart, not a stick handler, not a sniper, rarely plays the body, which is his greatest asset.. He's 24.. draft +6 years, and still a project.. With their cap space so tight, Oilers can't afford to gift JP more money than he's earned to this point.

Despite what some people think in here, I do like JP. I just don't where to play him or what to pay him. He's got all the physical tools to be a good top 6 guy. He does lots of little things well and at times can look effective in the top 6 but at times leaves you really wanting. I heard yesterday on Gregor's show - take it for what it's worth - but supposedly the Oilers leaders had to go to JP and tell him he needed to pick up his play and get in there in the playoffs. So I am not sure right now I would want to sign him to a long term contract at say 4 mill a season. You do that thinking that in a year or 2, he will be grossly outperforming it but right now, I don't know if he would. If he stays how he is right now which looks like a fairly effective but primarily 3rd line guy, you can't be paying a 3rd line winger 4 mill.

I would not be surprised to see him moved for a similar RFA prospect. I really love the goofy kid, but if it does feel like he is departing.

Acceptable targets that fit our salary structure.....

Lawson Crouse - rumors Arizona was trying to move him.
Dylan Strome - fell out of favour in Chicago and then rebounded to have a strong season. Connected to McDavid.
Ilya Samsonov - He was touted as a franchise goalie in his draft year. He's never grabbed the brass ring at the NHL level, and I am not sure we are the team to develop him further, but we do have a gaping hole in net. Figuratively and literally.

Should this whole thread be moved to the 'Speculation' board?

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808716 is a reply to message #808712 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 10:10

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 09:54

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 08:59

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 18:57

Puljujarvi has arb rights.. but based on his production I can't see him getting awarded more than $2.25M.. his qualifying offer is well below that..

I love the player and his character, but he still has way too many holes to fill as an NHL player.. not a great skater, not very puck smart, not a stick handler, not a sniper, rarely plays the body, which is his greatest asset.. He's 24.. draft +6 years, and still a project.. With their cap space so tight, Oilers can't afford to gift JP more money than he's earned to this point.

Despite what some people think in here, I do like JP. I just don't where to play him or what to pay him. He's got all the physical tools to be a good top 6 guy. He does lots of little things well and at times can look effective in the top 6 but at times leaves you really wanting. I heard yesterday on Gregor's show - take it for what it's worth - but supposedly the Oilers leaders had to go to JP and tell him he needed to pick up his play and get in there in the playoffs. So I am not sure right now I would want to sign him to a long term contract at say 4 mill a season. You do that thinking that in a year or 2, he will be grossly outperforming it but right now, I don't know if he would. If he stays how he is right now which looks like a fairly effective but primarily 3rd line guy, you can't be paying a 3rd line winger 4 mill.

I would not be surprised to see him moved for a similar RFA prospect. I really love the goofy kid, but if it does feel like he is departing.

Acceptable targets that fit our salary structure.....

Lawson Crouse - rumors Arizona was trying to move him.
Dylan Strome - fell out of favour in Chicago and then rebounded to have a strong season. Connected to McDavid.
Ilya Samsonov - He was touted as a franchise goalie in his draft year. He's never grabbed the brass ring at the NHL level, and I am not sure we are the team to develop him further, but we do have a gaping hole in net. Figuratively and literally.

My preference is if they decide to trade JP, they use him as part of a package for a goalie. I supposed it would depend on who the guy is but for the most part, I am not interested in trading 1 winger with questions for another with questions.

McD and Leon told their GM with the points they put up and more importantly how they decided they needed to play in the playoffs which before this year, I don't think they embraced it, that they are ready. So the GM needs to make decisions based on that. I think JP is a solid 3rd liner at the moment. Maybe he can be more but it's still an unknown. Based on things I have read, it sounds like his agent wants him to make low end top 6 guy money. If you pay him that, you have to be right with where the Oilers are at. You can't pay him 4+ and then have him only be a 3rd liner which there is not a damn thing wrong with that, you need good 3rd liners but you can't be paying a 3rd liner almost twice as much as they should be making.

Really touch call on JP. Someone compared him to Nichushkin. Big body, talented. Drafted high, didn't work out. Went back to Russia, came back. Didn't go well. Avs took a chance, 2 more years with mix results. This past season exploded for 25 goals. Previous year he had 10 in 55 and 13 in 65. Sounds similarish to JP. Nichushkin is 27 now. While Nichushkin was finding his way until he exploded this year, he was making 2.5 mil.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808753 is a reply to message #808696 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 15:55

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 07 June 2022 18:57

Puljujarvi has arb rights.. but based on his production I can't see him getting awarded more than $2.25M.. his qualifying offer is well below that..

I love the player and his character, but he still has way too many holes to fill as an NHL player.. not a great skater, not very puck smart, not a stick handler, not a sniper, rarely plays the body, which is his greatest asset.. He's 24.. draft +6 years, and still a project.. With their cap space so tight, Oilers can't afford to gift JP more money than he's earned to this point.

We've seen the dangers of bridge deals in the past though. If you can get him to a reasonable deal for a longer term, it may make sense to overpay in the short-run on him.

Also - the team can extend Evan Bouchard this summer, and man, they should shoot for the longest deal they can get at a reasonable rate. If they wait, they may end up with a painful deal to swallow next year. If he gets any powerplay time, he could be a 60+ point defencemen, and those get expensive.

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DNB had good coverage of the EOY presser

https://twitter.com/DNBsports

Injuries: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534560353832513536
Woodcroft: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534561006935896064
JP: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534568286959960064

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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 10:51

DNB had good coverage of the EOY presser

https://twitter.com/DNBsports

Injuries: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534560353832513536
Woodcroft: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534561006935896064
JP: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534568286959960064

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808720 is a reply to message #808717 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 11:04

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Here is a question. Sounds like Woody will be back. I would assume much like Tippett had, Woody would have influence as to which players are kept, which are let go and others brought in. Woody is apparently a bit of a numbers guy. What happens if Woody decides he doesn't want to keep JP that bad?

I am not trying to run the guy out of town, I like him because I see he does some good things but in my opinion, it seems to me most people think the Oilers GM and management are idiots and won't recognize the value of JP, but what if Woody who's had a hand in developing JP at 2 levels, don't think he can use him, does that mean Woody is now terrible too?

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808722 is a reply to message #808720 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 11:27

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 11:04

Here is a question. Sounds like Woody will be back. I would assume much like Tippett had, Woody would have influence as to which players are kept, which are let go and others brought in. Woody is apparently a bit of a numbers guy. What happens if Woody decides he doesn't want to keep JP that bad?

I am not trying to run the guy out of town, I like him because I see he does some good things but in my opinion, it seems to me most people think the Oilers GM and management are idiots and won't recognize the value of JP, but what if Woody who's had a hand in developing JP at 2 levels, don't think he can use him, does that mean Woody is now terrible too?

Woodcroft specifically pointed out Puljujarvi as one of the important young players on the team. Puljujarvi might get moved out, but I believe it will come down to financial terms and Jesse's desire to stay in Edmonton.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808723 is a reply to message #808722 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 11:43

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 11:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 11:04

Here is a question. Sounds like Woody will be back. I would assume much like Tippett had, Woody would have influence as to which players are kept, which are let go and others brought in. Woody is apparently a bit of a numbers guy. What happens if Woody decides he doesn't want to keep JP that bad?

I am not trying to run the guy out of town, I like him because I see he does some good things but in my opinion, it seems to me most people think the Oilers GM and management are idiots and won't recognize the value of JP, but what if Woody who's had a hand in developing JP at 2 levels, don't think he can use him, does that mean Woody is now terrible too?

Woodcroft specifically pointed out Puljujarvi as one of the important young players on the team. Puljujarvi might get moved out, but I believe it will come down to financial terms and Jesse's desire to stay in Edmonton.

True but have you heard Woody say a single bad thing about any player ever? Smith loses them game 3 on a trash goal but then he will stand up there selling Smith as if he is the current vezina winner.

I am not looking to get rid of JP. I think they need to find a way to get rid of the dead weight add to the team, not subtracting players that can bring you something. I think JP brings some things. But a lot of fans think it's management that are a bunch of idiots when it come to JP but I didn't see Woody playing the crap out of JP in the playoffs. A lot of nights under 10 mins.

If he comes back, I do wonder if he'd be open to seeing someone to maybe try to help him get mentally stronger. He seems like a guy who confidence is literally everything to him. It can be night and day for him and there doesn't seem to be a middle ground. When he is down, it gets to the point where he can't do almost basic things like take a pass or stick handle and it seems to be extremely difficult for him to get out of that hole.

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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 10:51

DNB had good coverage of the EOY presser

https://twitter.com/DNBsports

Injuries: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534560353832513536
Woodcroft: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534561006935896064
JP: https://twitter.com/DNBsports/status/1534568286959960064

The fact that it sounds like Nurse may not need surgery is a positive.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808736 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 13:31

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so...you're saying they outplayed us...

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:33

so...you're saying they outplayed us...

Outplayed and are a better team. I guess it's also saying defense and goaltending is a problem the Oilers should look into.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808744 is a reply to message #808742 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 13:41

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:35

Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:33

so...you're saying they outplayed us...

Outplayed and are a better team. I guess it's also saying defense and goaltending is a problem the Oilers should look into.

Looks like we did have a good game 3. Smith just tanked it for us. Francouz completely got in our heads in game 2, like we've never seen a goalie with a right glove before.

And yeah, way better team, we needed luck, and got the opposite. Every 1 inch play went against us.

Nice to see Bouch was pushing play so well in the series. Seems he took over the poor zone entry defending from Keith for a series. Hope that's not a result of the mentoring :)

Talking about Barrie in the speculation threads. I dunno if we would miss him that much. Once he loses that PP spot and isn't playing with McDavid 5v5 anymore, there is not that much left. Seems like an awesome guy, but I think this is our last chance to possibly move his whole 4.5M. His point totals likely drop next year.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808755 is a reply to message #808744 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 16:02

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:41

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:35

Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:33

so...you're saying they outplayed us...

Outplayed and are a better team. I guess it's also saying defense and goaltending is a problem the Oilers should look into.

Looks like we did have a good game 3. Smith just tanked it for us. Francouz completely got in our heads in game 2, like we've never seen a goalie with a right glove before.

And yeah, way better team, we needed luck, and got the opposite. Every 1 inch play went against us.

Nice to see Bouch was pushing play so well in the series. Seems he took over the poor zone entry defending from Keith for a series. Hope that's not a result of the mentoring :)

Talking about Barrie in the speculation threads. I dunno if we would miss him that much. Once he loses that PP spot and isn't playing with McDavid 5v5 anymore, there is not that much left. Seems like an awesome guy, but I think this is our last chance to possibly move his whole 4.5M. His point totals likely drop next year.

The greatest service that Barrie's done for us is in keeping Bouchard's next deal affordable...so long as we get him to sign it this summer...

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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:35

Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 13:33

so...you're saying they outplayed us...

Outplayed and are a better team. I guess it's also saying defense and goaltending is a problem the Oilers should look into.

Trading arguably the teams best defensive forward is a great way to improve those defensive numbers.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808745 is a reply to message #808658 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 13:50

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Oilers injuries per GM Ken Holland:
- Draisaitl — high ankle sprain when Mikey Anderson “bodyslammed him”
- Nurse — torn hip flexor
- RNH — shoulder
- Puljujarvi — shoulder (Game 4 vs. COL, 4-6 week timeline)
- Yamamoto — concussion protocol
- 5-7 other minor injuries

Saw something about Pulju dealing with an ankle injury since the half way point of the season as well.

Those Nuge shoulders have taken a lot of damage over the years. Hope they hold up still for years to come and it doesn't turn into a Klef situation.

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Re: Post Mortem and Looking at Next Season [message #808750 is a reply to message #808745 ]	Wed, 08 June 2022 15:03

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Location: Vancouver

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 08 June 2022 12:50

Daniel Nugent-Bowman @DNBsports

Oilers injuries per GM Ken Holland:
- Draisaitl — high ankle sprain when Mikey Anderson “bodyslammed him”
- Nurse — torn hip flexor
- RNH — shoulder
- Puljujarvi — shoulder (Game 4 vs. COL, 4-6 week timeline)
- Yamamoto — concussion protocol
- 5-7 other minor injuries

Saw something about Pulju dealing with an ankle injury since the half way point of the season as well.

Those Nuge shoulders have taken a lot of damage over the years. Hope they hold up still for years to come and it doesn't turn into a Klef situation.

Puljujarvi also never really got back on track after getting Covid.

Pre-Covid - 28 games - 10G/13A
Post-Covid - 37 games - 4G/9A

I get that you can't just pro-rate his pre-Covid numbers, but man, moving on from this kid at this point seems incredibly short-sighted.

Oilers Goal Differential
17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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