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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #788451 is a reply to message #788424 ]
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benv wrote on Tue, 29 June 2021 10:35

Mike wrote on Tue, 29 June 2021 05:52

Pretty impressive looking at the Lightning roster and how they drafted over the years. Sure they got Stamkos and Hedman at 1 and 2, and Vasilevsky at 19, but other than that:

2007 Alex Killorn 3rd round (77 overall)
2011 Kucherov 2nd round (58 overall)
2011 Palat 7th round (208 overall)
2014 Point 3rd round (79th overall)
2015 Cirelli 3rd round (72nd overall)

Not to mention undrafted contributors Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson...

What's our last big hit beyond the 1st round? Jeff Petry in 2006? We have some solid looking guys in Jones, Bear, Benson, McLeod, and Savoie I suppose, but I don't see any Kucherov/Point level homeruns.




I would say the Oilers' top four non-1st round picks in their history came in their first two years of existence:

1979: Mark Messier (3rd round), Glenn Anderson (4th round).
1980: Jari Kurri (4th round), Andy Moog (7th round).

They started off setting a high bar they've never matched.


They rarely have matched the level of success on the first round picks as in those first three years either:

1979 #21 overall - Kevin Lowe
1980 #6 overall - Paul Coffey
1981 #8 overall - Grant Fuhr

The team also picked up Walt Poddubny (1980, 5th rd - 468 NHL games, 422 pts), Steve Smith (1981 6th rd - 804 GP, 375 pts) and Marc Habscheid (1981 6th rd - 345 GP 163 pts) in those drafts.

Barry Fraser may have mailed it in in his last few years, but he earned his pension with those first three drafts. I can't think of too many other times in history that a team has had that many home runs in three concurrent drafts.



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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #788458 is a reply to message #788451 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 29 June 2021 22:40

benv wrote on Tue, 29 June 2021 10:35

Mike wrote on Tue, 29 June 2021 05:52

Pretty impressive looking at the Lightning roster and how they drafted over the years. Sure they got Stamkos and Hedman at 1 and 2, and Vasilevsky at 19, but other than that:

2007 Alex Killorn 3rd round (77 overall)
2011 Kucherov 2nd round (58 overall)
2011 Palat 7th round (208 overall)
2014 Point 3rd round (79th overall)
2015 Cirelli 3rd round (72nd overall)

Not to mention undrafted contributors Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson...

What's our last big hit beyond the 1st round? Jeff Petry in 2006? We have some solid looking guys in Jones, Bear, Benson, McLeod, and Savoie I suppose, but I don't see any Kucherov/Point level homeruns.




I would say the Oilers' top four non-1st round picks in their history came in their first two years of existence:

1979: Mark Messier (3rd round), Glenn Anderson (4th round).
1980: Jari Kurri (4th round), Andy Moog (7th round).

They started off setting a high bar they've never matched.


They rarely have matched the level of success on the first round picks as in those first three years either:

1979 #21 overall - Kevin Lowe
1980 #6 overall - Paul Coffey
1981 #8 overall - Grant Fuhr

The team also picked up Walt Poddubny (1980, 5th rd - 468 NHL games, 422 pts), Steve Smith (1981 6th rd - 804 GP, 375 pts) and Marc Habscheid (1981 6th rd - 345 GP 163 pts) in those drafts.

Barry Fraser may have mailed it in in his last few years, but he earned his pension with those first three drafts. I can't think of too many other times in history that a team has had that many home runs in three concurrent drafts.

Why did you include a slow-footed dman with little offensive skill on that list?



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Anybody hear Bettman talk about NHL refereeing today? rofl lmao rofl lmao rofl
The guy has to go man.. its clear he and his assortment of NHL Inc. clowns are the problem.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 16:50

Anybody hear Bettman talk about NHL refereeing today? rofl lmao rofl lmao rofl
The guy has to go man.. its clear he and his assortment of NHL Inc. clowns are the problem.


What did he say?



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Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 16:37

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 16:50

Anybody hear Bettman talk about NHL refereeing today? rofl lmao rofl lmao rofl
The guy has to go man.. its clear he and his assortment of NHL Inc. clowns are the problem.


What did he say?


You need to listen to it, he went on (and on) about how the NHL referee's are the best referee's in any sport, they are instructed by the NHL to call the game's the same from regular season to playoffs, and in fact do so... essentially all the refereeing problems identified in the media and by fans is just all a figment of your imagination, you are all wrong, he didn't even acknowledge there was room for any improvement. Pretty arrogant overall. Total propaganda speech, deny, deny, admit nothing, and hope the attention goes away.

Maybe he thought he needed to lie so his master plan of getting deep into sports betting wasn't ringing any alarm bells by his leagues crap refereeing.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 03 July 2021 12:07

Adam wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 16:37

Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 16:50

Anybody hear Bettman talk about NHL refereeing today? rofl lmao rofl lmao rofl
The guy has to go man.. its clear he and his assortment of NHL Inc. clowns are the problem.


What did he say?


You need to listen to it, he went on (and on) about how the NHL referee's are the best referee's in any sport, they are instructed by the NHL to call the game's the same from regular season to playoffs, and in fact do so... essentially all the refereeing problems identified in the media and by fans is just all a figment of your imagination, you are all wrong, he didn't even acknowledge there was room for any improvement. Pretty arrogant overall. Total propaganda speech, deny, deny, admit nothing, and hope the attention goes away.

Maybe he thought he needed to lie so his master plan of getting deep into sports betting wasn't ringing any alarm bells by his leagues crap refereeing.


https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-imposing-stricter-e nforcement-cross-checking-rule-2021-22-season/

"

"Officials may allow players to use the shaft of a stick to guide or push an opponent without assessing a penalty. However, if the guiding or pushing is judged to be excessive an interference penalty may be assessed."

I'll believe it when I see it. Also, referees may have different interpretations of "excessive". And what may be excessive in one period might not be excessive in the last part of a close game.

I wonder which advertising patch the referees will use.




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GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 25 September 2021 12:07

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/nhl-imposing-stricter-e nforcement-cross-checking-rule-2021-22-season/
"Officials may allow players to use the shaft of a stick to guide or push an opponent without assessing a penalty. However, if the guiding or pushing is judged to be excessive an interference penalty may be assessed."

I'll believe it when I see it. Also, referees may have different interpretations of "excessive". And what may be excessive in one period might not be excessive in the last part of a close game.

I wonder which advertising patch the referees will use.


Up to now "extensive" meant breaking the stick



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Crazy how Tatar is still scratched from the 1st round series. You think he’d get a sniff of Finals action.

I just remember Stauffer saying how great he would be in Edmonton.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 02 July 2021 18:30

Crazy how Tatar is still scratched from the 1st round series. You think he’d get a sniff of Finals action.

I just remember Stauffer saying how great he would be in Edmonton.

Maybe the Habs realize that if he gets exposed by the Bolts, no one will want him? The Habs really look to be choking on reality right now in Game 3, already down 2-0 before even 5 minutes have been played.



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Looks like too much firepower for Price to save the day. Bummer for Montreal fans, but not really unexpected. Tampa has a goalie that played just as well and possibly better, plus everything else better through the lineup.


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Patty Maroon an inch away from 3 cups in 3 years.


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 03 July 2021 13:26

Patty Maroon an inch away from 3 cups in 3 years.


That's freaking amazing, and so many super stars never even make it to the final. Patty will be appreciating his blessings, they have a pretty good chance of doing it again next year as well.. just have to put Hedman on LTIR for cap relief, and re-activate him 1st game of the playoffs.. Hedman reportedly has a knee injury he's been playing through all season, maybe he needs "surgery".. Cue Kutcherov Kap Kaper part II :)



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5 powerplays for Tampa in their game to try to win the cup. Refs sure making them work for it!

Edit: Good for Montreal winning at least 1. Killing a 4 min PP that went into OT right before.

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 July 2021 20:49

5 powerplays for Tampa in their game to try to win the cup. Refs sure making them work for it!

Edit: Good for Montreal winning at least 1. Killing a 4 min PP that went into OT right before.


So sad. I would have loved to see the narrative destroying series clinching goal while Weber sat in the box for his careless high stick…



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Adam wrote on Mon, 05 July 2021 21:30

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 July 2021 20:49

5 powerplays for Tampa in their game to try to win the cup. Refs sure making them work for it!

Edit: Good for Montreal winning at least 1. Killing a 4 min PP that went into OT right before.


So sad. I would have loved to see the narrative destroying series clinching goal while Weber sat in the box for his careless high stick…


Andersen was starting to take heat with his 4 points in 20 games. He is once again a pure genius acquisition by Bergevin.



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At 19,787 days, today the @MapleLeafs have set a new record for the longest @StanleyCup drought of all time.

Also, it’s been:

33 days since blowing a 3-1 series lead.

6,284 days since winning a Playoff series.

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This finally breaks the @NYRangers record of 19,786 days from 1940 to 1994. From here on out, every day is a new record-setting day of futility for the @MapleLeafs.

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Refs calling lots of stuff in his game, but ignore tampa guy grabbing Andersen's leg on a partial breakaway that throws him off balance and sends him spinning into the post to take him out of the game.

Ah well, just end it Tampa. Get your asterisk cup.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 20:21

Refs calling lots of stuff in his game, but ignore tampa guy grabbing Andersen's leg on a partial breakaway that throws him off balance and sends him spinning into the post to take him out of the game.

Ah well, just end it Tampa. Get your 2nd asterisk cup.


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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 20:45

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 20:21

Refs calling lots of stuff in his game, but ignore tampa guy grabbing Andersen's leg on a partial breakaway that throws him off balance and sends him spinning into the post to take him out of the game.

Ah well, just end it Tampa. Get your 2nd asterisk cup.


Fixed it for you 😏


Patty Maroon Dynasty complete (Stan Fischler rules).

Now on with the offseason!

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Tampa bay has really done us (fans of the Oilers) a bunch of favours over the years. They stopped Calgary from winning and us having to deal with uppity Flames fans. They stopped Montreal from winning and prevented us from having to deal with uppity French people. And they stopped our nostalgia 90s rivals from winning in our new barn last year. Best of all, all three championships come with theoretical asterisks! Thanks Tampbro Bay.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 23:57

prevented us from having to deal with uppity French people.


I’m an uppity French person. And I’m not going anywhere.



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Mike wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 21:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 23:57

prevented us from having to deal with uppity French people.


I’m an uppity French person. And I’m not going anywhere.


Yeah but you and all your uppity French kin aren’t celebrating a Habs Cup win. Thanks Champa Bay!



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 02:41

Mike wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 21:54

CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 23:57

prevented us from having to deal with uppity French people.


I’m an uppity French person. And I’m not going anywhere.


Yeah but you and all your uppity French kin aren’t celebrating a Habs Cup win. Thanks Champa Bay!


No, that we are not. I don't want anyone but the Oilers brining the Cup back to Canada. I don't get these Leafs fans that were cheering for the Habs because they were a Canadian team. Imagine in 2004 cheering for the Flames...



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https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 01:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


That was awesome. Would love to see more of that.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 04:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 01:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


That was awesome. Would love to see more of that.


There has to be a longer version somewhere, but I haven't found it. Apparently there were 5 questions asked but so far, no video from my searching. Everything leads up to the 90 second clip for me.



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I am glad it's over with. Who would have thought that if you find a way to manipulate the system and be 17-18 mill over the cap in the playoffs, you can win.


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MJ wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 06:18

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 01:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


That was awesome. Would love to see more of that.


There has to be a longer version somewhere, but I haven't found it. Apparently there were 5 questions asked but so far, no video from my searching. Everything leads up to the 90 second clip for me.

I saw it live, it wasn’t super long. Not sure if SN went elsewhere or if his handlers cut it short. Absolutely brilliant performance though. He should sit out every season.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 04:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 01:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


That was awesome. Would love to see more of that.


There has to be a longer version somewhere, but I haven't found it. Apparently there were 5 questions asked but so far, no video from my searching. Everything leads up to the 90 second clip for me.

I saw it live, it wasn’t super long. Not sure if SN went elsewhere or if his handlers cut it short. Absolutely brilliant performance though. He should sit out every season.

Love it! This is why I drink Bud Lite (I actually don't, I'm a Keystone Lite man). Athletes promote their product FOR FREE.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 05:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 01:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


That was awesome. Would love to see more of that.


Epic heel turn.

Perhaps fitting, given the anniversary we celebrated yesterday of one of the best heel turns:

https://www.si.com/wrestling/2021/07/07/wcw-nwo-debut-annive rsary-hulk-hogan-scott-hall-kevin-nash



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I was trying to think Kucherov reminds me of someone, couldn't quite put my finger on it...I just did. This guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA

Kuch, The Machine!



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Mike wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 11:21

I was trying to think Kucherov reminds me of someone, couldn't quite put my finger on it...I just did. This guy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=paG1-lPtIXA

Kuch, The Machine!


That was a great story..



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)


Friedman saying the NHL is not going back to the north division bc ratings were down for the SCF and there being a Canadian team ‘handed a semi final spot’

Not that I want the north division to be a thing anymore but F this league man.



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:26

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)


Friedman saying the NHL is not going back to the north division bc ratings were down for the SCF and there being a Canadian team ‘handed a semi final spot’

Not that I want the north division to be a thing anymore but F this league man.

Sportsnet should throw a fit over that. Assuming their ratings were good.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.

Oh the injury was real. Maybe the last month of rehab was slightly extended, but he's an old man. He's got to be careful with that sort of thing.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.

Oh the injury was real. Maybe the last month of rehab was slightly extended, but he's an old man. He's got to be careful with that sort of thing.


He did have surgery after all...but yeah, he probably could have played the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

Worth reminding people who whine and moan about this that Montreal was $8MM over the cap hit too. Benching a guy for a year isn't the only way to get around the cap. Trading for people at the deadline means that you get an $8MM player at a $2MM cap hit, so it's pretty easy to be well above the cap in the playoffs and many teams were (although I don't think anyone else was as far above as Tampa). The Oilers, fortunately, played entirely by the rules and I don't think we were much if any above the cap. Phew! I'm so glad we played that clean!



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Adam wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 14:08

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.

Oh the injury was real. Maybe the last month of rehab was slightly extended, but he's an old man. He's got to be careful with that sort of thing.


He did have surgery after all...but yeah, he probably could have played the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

Worth reminding people who whine and moan about this that Montreal was $8MM over the cap hit too. Benching a guy for a year isn't the only way to get around the cap. Trading for people at the deadline means that you get an $8MM player at a $2MM cap hit, so it's pretty easy to be well above the cap in the playoffs and many teams were (although I don't think anyone else was as far above as Tampa). The Oilers, fortunately, played entirely by the rules and I don't think we were much if any above the cap. Phew! I'm so glad we played that clean!

Re: Montreal being over. Shush you.

Even from a non-cap perspective, I think TB handling Kucherov's return slowly was probably a good idea. Why rush a really important player back when the team is good enough to make the playoffs anyway? Think of it as overripening a rehab or NHL load management. I find it hard to get mad at an organization for doing right by their players and their fans.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 14:26

Adam wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 14:08

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.

Oh the injury was real. Maybe the last month of rehab was slightly extended, but he's an old man. He's got to be careful with that sort of thing.


He did have surgery after all...but yeah, he probably could have played the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

Worth reminding people who whine and moan about this that Montreal was $8MM over the cap hit too. Benching a guy for a year isn't the only way to get around the cap. Trading for people at the deadline means that you get an $8MM player at a $2MM cap hit, so it's pretty easy to be well above the cap in the playoffs and many teams were (although I don't think anyone else was as far above as Tampa). The Oilers, fortunately, played entirely by the rules and I don't think we were much if any above the cap. Phew! I'm so glad we played that clean!

Re: Montreal being over. Shush you.

Even from a non-cap perspective, I think TB handling Kucherov's return slowly was probably a good idea. Why rush a really important player back when the team is good enough to make the playoffs anyway? Think of it as overripening a rehab or NHL load management. I find it hard to get mad at an organization for doing right by their players and their fans.


Tampa is a well-run and savvy organization. They've done so many things right:

- Good smart cap management
- Great top end players, but also phenomenal depth
- They've kept guys even when there's duplication of skill set. Would the Oilers have ever run a defence with both Hedman and Sergachev at LD? Or would they have become disappointed because the 2nd pairing guy without the same PP push isn't putting up stats at the same rate and traded him away at pennies on the dollar?
- Sold their advantages hard with potential free agents - they have paid decent salaries but not top dollar to any of their guys.
- Smart trades to bolster an already good team going in to the playoffs
- Great coach - and they stuck with him through some playoff disappointments when other teams would probably have pulled the trigger on firing him.
- Willing to pull every lever to give themselves the best chance to win. Don't give a fig whether other teams like the way they've built their team. They seem to realize it isn't a popularity contest.
- Multiple successful routes for acquiring good players. Trade, sign, draft & develop, college guys, etc.

They should be the model for the Oilers to follow. Unfortunately I'm sure that our management will look at Montreal fluking their way to the final in the biggest cinderella run since the 1991 North Stars and think that that's the team they should model after...




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