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 Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #701974]
Tue, 07 November 2017 15:44 Go to next message
Adam  is currently offline Adam
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So, after talking about Lucic's unfortunate habit of fighting fourth liners, I decided to do the homework to see who he had fought as an Oiler (source: url]http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/2638[/url]). Here's the list:

2016-17
Deryk Engelland - third pairing d-man - played 81 games, typically 15-20 mins/night
Jared Boll - Fourth liner - in 51 games, played over 10 minutes twice
Cody McLeod - Fourth liner - played 59 games, played over 10 minutes 6 times (including 3 in last 4 games of the season)
Deryk Engelland - third pairing - see above
Robert Bortuzzo - fourth liner - 38 GP, usually between 12-15 minutes a night
Michael Haley - fourth liner - 58 GP, 17 of them with over 10 minutes.

2017-18
Mark Borowiecki - 3rd pairing defenceman - in 9 games this year, had 3 over 17 mins and 6 under 12:03
Dalton Prout - 3rd pairing d-man - only been played four times all season, usually about 14 minutes a night.

If Lucic wants to fight, he should be initiating it and trying to fight guys at least as high on the depth chart as he is. If Jamie Benn or Dustin Byfuglien wants to scrap, that's great. But fighting guys who aren't even every night players seems foolish. Not only are they taking off a second line winger from a lineup that doesn't have a lot of guys who successfully move up, but it's not worth risking injury against a guy like Cody McLeod. Lucic is a tough character, but if those guys land a lucky punch, or be breaks his hand on a helmet, our roster is even worse than it already is. There's better ways for him to be intimidating than fighting the other team's plugs.



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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #701983 is a reply to message #701974 ]
Tue, 07 November 2017 17:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 November 2017 15:44

So, after talking about Lucic's unfortunate habit of fighting fourth liners, I decided to do the homework to see who he had fought as an Oiler (source: url]http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/2638[/url]). Here's the list:

2016-17
Deryk Engelland - third pairing d-man - played 81 games, typically 15-20 mins/night
Jared Boll - Fourth liner - in 51 games, played over 10 minutes twice
Cody McLeod - Fourth liner - played 59 games, played over 10 minutes 6 times (including 3 in last 4 games of the season)
Deryk Engelland - third pairing - see above
Robert Bortuzzo - fourth liner - 38 GP, usually between 12-15 minutes a night
Michael Haley - fourth liner - 58 GP, 17 of them with over 10 minutes.

2017-18
Mark Borowiecki - 3rd pairing defenceman - in 9 games this year, had 3 over 17 mins and 6 under 12:03
Dalton Prout - 3rd pairing d-man - only been played four times all season, usually about 14 minutes a night.

If Lucic wants to fight, he should be initiating it and trying to fight guys at least as high on the depth chart as he is. If Jamie Benn or Dustin Byfuglien wants to scrap, that's great. But fighting guys who aren't even every night players seems foolish. Not only are they taking off a second line winger from a lineup that doesn't have a lot of guys who successfully move up, but it's not worth risking injury against a guy like Cody McLeod. Lucic is a tough character, but if those guys land a lucky punch, or be breaks his hand on a helmet, our roster is even worse than it already is. There's better ways for him to be intimidating than fighting the other team's plugs.

The only thing stopping Lucic from being a low minute 4th liner himself is his contract.

I don’t say his name in the same sentence as Benn or Byfuglien anymore anyway. The dude is a stiff this season. If he has to scrap somebody every time he needs to get himself going, they may as well put him on the fourth line right now.



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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #702031 is a reply to message #701983 ]
Tue, 07 November 2017 19:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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g2k wrote on Tue, 07 November 2017 17:20

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 November 2017 15:44

So, after talking about Lucic's unfortunate habit of fighting fourth liners, I decided to do the homework to see who he had fought as an Oiler (source: url]http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/2638[/url]). Here's the list:

2016-17
Deryk Engelland - third pairing d-man - played 81 games, typically 15-20 mins/night
Jared Boll - Fourth liner - in 51 games, played over 10 minutes twice
Cody McLeod - Fourth liner - played 59 games, played over 10 minutes 6 times (including 3 in last 4 games of the season)
Deryk Engelland - third pairing - see above
Robert Bortuzzo - fourth liner - 38 GP, usually between 12-15 minutes a night
Michael Haley - fourth liner - 58 GP, 17 of them with over 10 minutes.

2017-18
Mark Borowiecki - 3rd pairing defenceman - in 9 games this year, had 3 over 17 mins and 6 under 12:03
Dalton Prout - 3rd pairing d-man - only been played four times all season, usually about 14 minutes a night.

If Lucic wants to fight, he should be initiating it and trying to fight guys at least as high on the depth chart as he is. If Jamie Benn or Dustin Byfuglien wants to scrap, that's great. But fighting guys who aren't even every night players seems foolish. Not only are they taking off a second line winger from a lineup that doesn't have a lot of guys who successfully move up, but it's not worth risking injury against a guy like Cody McLeod. Lucic is a tough character, but if those guys land a lucky punch, or be breaks his hand on a helmet, our roster is even worse than it already is. There's better ways for him to be intimidating than fighting the other team's plugs.

The only thing stopping Lucic from being a low minute 4th liner himself is his contract.

I don’t say his name in the same sentence as Benn or Byfuglien anymore anyway. The dude is a stiff this season. If he has to scrap somebody every time he needs to get himself going, they may as well put him on the fourth line right now.


Yeah, unless he shows different, can't argue with that. I knew Lucic was slow before he came here, but didn't think he was this slow with no agility. I think he's slower than last year.



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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #702035 is a reply to message #701974 ]
Tue, 07 November 2017 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You could really see his faults at the end of tonight's game vs NYI.

He was gassed, and couldn't keep up with anyone. So he does a lazy dump in the Oilers end to get it out, except it goes right to an Islander who is all alone. So still no line change. Then he gets pissed off at Islander and chases after him into their end, no puck in sight, when he should have done a line change.

He's slow, he's a hot head, and the optics of his contract mean he gets gifted way too many minutes.



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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #702052 is a reply to message #701974 ]
Wed, 08 November 2017 00:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 November 2017 14:44

So, after talking about Lucic's unfortunate habit of fighting fourth liners, I decided to do the homework to see who he had fought as an Oiler (source: url]http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/2638[/url]). Here's the list:

2016-17
Deryk Engelland - third pairing d-man - played 81 games, typically 15-20 mins/night
Jared Boll - Fourth liner - in 51 games, played over 10 minutes twice
Cody McLeod - Fourth liner - played 59 games, played over 10 minutes 6 times (including 3 in last 4 games of the season)
Deryk Engelland - third pairing - see above
Robert Bortuzzo - fourth liner - 38 GP, usually between 12-15 minutes a night
Michael Haley - fourth liner - 58 GP, 17 of them with over 10 minutes.

2017-18
Mark Borowiecki - 3rd pairing defenceman - in 9 games this year, had 3 over 17 mins and 6 under 12:03
Dalton Prout - 3rd pairing d-man - only been played four times all season, usually about 14 minutes a night.

If Lucic wants to fight, he should be initiating it and trying to fight guys at least as high on the depth chart as he is. If Jamie Benn or Dustin Byfuglien wants to scrap, that's great. But fighting guys who aren't even every night players seems foolish. Not only are they taking off a second line winger from a lineup that doesn't have a lot of guys who successfully move up, but it's not worth risking injury against a guy like Cody McLeod. Lucic is a tough character, but if those guys land a lucky punch, or be breaks his hand on a helmet, our roster is even worse than it already is. There's better ways for him to be intimidating than fighting the other team's plugs.



He is a tough dude with a former high pedigree. He should fight anyone he figures would fight him and be worth it. He’s not a sniper with a silky set of hands. He made his name being a tough SOB with decent skills. It’s been that way since his junior days with the Giants. That’s why everyone wanted a Lucic type play on their team since his draft year, including most members of this board



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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #702083 is a reply to message #702052 ]
Wed, 08 November 2017 12:20 Go to previous message
Jones25  is currently offline Jones25
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First of all, love your avatar pic/gif - is that the goalie jumping on the pile?!

Lucic is getting slower for sure, but should not be risking fights with non name players, 4th line or not.

I miss the old days when Kelly Buchberger used to clean up in fights. Let's see what Lucic does when they play Calgary again, which apparently is the team the Oilers fight the most with at home and away - accroding to http://www.clickitticket.com/edmonton-oilers-fights/ (see the graphs at the bottom of the page)

I love this one: Watch Milan Lucic Fight In Defense Of Connor McDavid In Oilers Debut
https://nesn.com/2016/10/watch-milan-lucic-fight-deryk-engel land-in-defense-of-connor-mcdavid-in-oilers-debut/




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 Re: Milan Lucic Fight Card as an Oiler [message #702060 is a reply to message #701974 ]
Wed, 08 November 2017 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
OilPeg  is currently offline OilPeg
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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 November 2017 16:44

So, after talking about Lucic's unfortunate habit of fighting fourth liners, I decided to do the homework to see who he had fought as an Oiler (source: url]http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/2638[/url]). Here's the list:

2016-17
Deryk Engelland - third pairing d-man - played 81 games, typically 15-20 mins/night
Jared Boll - Fourth liner - in 51 games, played over 10 minutes twice
Cody McLeod - Fourth liner - played 59 games, played over 10 minutes 6 times (including 3 in last 4 games of the season)
Deryk Engelland - third pairing - see above
Robert Bortuzzo - fourth liner - 38 GP, usually between 12-15 minutes a night
Michael Haley - fourth liner - 58 GP, 17 of them with over 10 minutes.

2017-18
Mark Borowiecki - 3rd pairing defenceman - in 9 games this year, had 3 over 17 mins and 6 under 12:03
Dalton Prout - 3rd pairing d-man - only been played four times all season, usually about 14 minutes a night.

If Lucic wants to fight, he should be initiating it and trying to fight guys at least as high on the depth chart as he is. If Jamie Benn or Dustin Byfuglien wants to scrap, that's great. But fighting guys who aren't even every night players seems foolish. Not only are they taking off a second line winger from a lineup that doesn't have a lot of guys who successfully move up, but it's not worth risking injury against a guy like Cody McLeod. Lucic is a tough character, but if those guys land a lucky punch, or be breaks his hand on a helmet, our roster is even worse than it already is. There's better ways for him to be intimidating than fighting the other team's plugs.


It's worth looking into why these fights started though. I remember his first fight against Engelland being in response to a hit by Englelland. Also the Michael Haley one was a case of Haley responding to a hit by Lucic, sure Looch could've skated away, which is what you're getting at, but i like the message that he'll own a hit if he needs to.

I agree with the premise that he shouldn't be fighting 4th liners and 3rd pair D-men, but there aren't very many guys equal to his lineup spot that would go with him. I think sometimes he just needs a fight, nothing wrong with that if it gets him going. How many 1st and 2nd liners and top-4 D would be an equal fight for Lucic? Can't be many...



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