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Gagner out for season [message #566740]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:00

hmc
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Per twitter (@ctvmitchee):

Gagner out rest of the season after surgery on his tendon.

Wow - he becomes the third player to be out for significant time that has 42 points.

Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566741 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:11

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Poor guy, was just starting to take over leadership of the team out there, as well as team and career points.

Ist overall a guarantee.

Apparently got it from a teammate's skate on the bench, likely someone jumping over, always wondered why you never hear of guys getting caught with a blade more often. Now we're taking our own guys out!

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566771 is a reply to message #566741 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 20:56

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 17:11

Apparently got it from a teammate's skate on the bench, likely someone jumping over, always wondered why you never hear of guys getting caught with a blade more often. Now we're taking our own guys out!

That reminds me..

In an issue of The Hockey News, Jeremy Roenick talks about the worst injuries he's ever had. His fifth worst was when he had his glove off and hand on the bench when his teammate jumped the boards and stood on his finger, scraping most of it off the bone. He said all that was left was a chunk of flesh at the end of a sliver of bone. OUCH!

Anyways, I figured I'd share that story as it is similar - but thank god not as bad.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566780 is a reply to message #566771 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 00:28

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saskoilfan wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 20:56

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 17:11

How is that only his fifth worst injury? That sounds terrible!

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566742 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:17

Patrick
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And that is our top 4 scoring leaders now hurt or traded. Keep your head up Eberle, you're next in the cross-hairs.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566743 is a reply to message #566742 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:20

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Patrick wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 17:17

And that is our top 4 scoring leaders now hurt or traded. Keep your head up Eberle, you're next in the cross-hairs.

he's got 6 points to go before hitting 42 and having to worry

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566744 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:26

hmc
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Of course any Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy fans know that 42 is also the meaning of life, so maybe this is a good thing?

Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566745 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 17:44

hmc
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Matheson reporting differently (on iPhone so can't link, but it's on the Journal website).

Could just be a cut, no tendon damage, and he could play tomorrow.

EDIT: sorry for the lack of links, but the Oilers twitter is reporting done for the season. So that's that I guess.

[Updated on: Thu, 10 March 2011 17:48]

Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566746 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 18:05

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....at least we got Penner...

wait a sec..

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566747 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 18:09

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So who gets the call? O'Marra, Hartikainen, Ondrus, Moran?

Or do we do the logical thing and bring up a D-man, bumping Strudwick up to 2C where his skills are more suited??

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566755 is a reply to message #566747 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 18:52

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Dr. Oil wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 20:09

So who gets the call? O'Marra, Hartikainen, Ondrus, Moran?

Or do we do the logical thing and bring up a D-man, bumping Strudwick up to 2C where his skills are more suited??

O'Marra. #42.

Love the Strudwick idea, BTW.

Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566777 is a reply to message #566747 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 22:34

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Dr. Oil wrote on Thu, 10 March 2011 17:09

So who gets the call? O'Marra, Hartikainen, Ondrus, Moran?

Or do we do the logical thing and bring up a D-man, bumping Strudwick up to 2C where his skills are more suited??

My guess is Moran as he would seem to have more offense to his game. Still, I wouldn't mind seeing O'Marra either.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566749 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 18:16

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This string of craptacular luck began before Xmas when Renney was talking playoffs. Next game, Whitney goes down and the spiral of bad juju began.

It sure does seem some higher power is in control of this team, and is determined they rebuild properly.

In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566754 is a reply to message #566749 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 18:48

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My vote is for Hartikainen - want to see what he's got in the bigs.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566760 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 20:00

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566763 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 20:07

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Hemsky, Hall, Gagner all out for season at 42 points.

Eberle has 36 points right now. Either he's next or he has the hockey gods on his side ensuring he takes the scoring title. That includes having Penner traded because he doesn't get hurt.

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Re: Gagner out for season [message #566773 is a reply to message #566740 ]	Thu, 10 March 2011 22:07

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Unbelievable.

When will it end? This franchise is in a hole. A deep, dark, unpleasant hole. As much as I like Gagner I don't see him as a centre who will help this team contend for anything, even as a #2 guy (obviously not as a 1st line C). Already has been having injury problems, he's small, not the quickest and he hasn't proven to show up when needed.

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DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566795 is a reply to message #566773 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 08:11

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Does a freak accident make you injury prone? Gagner is still a kid. Would you have wrote off a kid with 13 points his first year, 41 his second? Off course that is Joe Thornton I am referring to so in hind sight everyone would keep him. When Gagner is 26 then you will have a true idea of both his potential and his fortitude.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566796 is a reply to message #566795 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 08:19

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The amount of injuries that the Oilers have had over the last few years are unbelievable. This year it's freak accidents.
When are the hockey gods going to stop piling on. Any worry about the Oilers rising out of last should be all but gone now.

Cogliano is not and will never be a valuable part of the Edmonton Oilers. The day he is no longer on the Oilers NHL roster is the day they turn the corner to being a good team.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566810 is a reply to message #566796 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 10:27

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Maurice wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 09:19

I would argue that this year's "out for the season" injuries would not have necessarily been "out for the season" if we were in a playoff hunt.

I am not a doctor so obviously this is just speculation on my part but, Hemsky, Hall and Gagner all going down and staying down is probably just good management. We aren't going anywhere this year so let them heal properly and come back next season...easy as that.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566812 is a reply to message #566810 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 10:44

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Whitney steps in a rut and blows out his ankle.
Hemsky trips and hurts his rotator cuff.
Hall gets his skate caught in the ice and hurts his ankle.
Habby gets an ice chip in his eye, misses some games.
Gagner reaches for some water and his wrist gets cut.

All fluke injuries that result in significant time lost.

Even Eberle's at new years. All he did was get rubbed out, happens all the time, yet he severely sprains his ankle.

Cogliano is not and will never be a valuable part of the Edmonton Oilers. The day he is no longer on the Oilers NHL roster is the day they turn the corner to being a good team.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566818 is a reply to message #566812 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 11:09

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566819 is a reply to message #566818 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 11:12

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:09

When boys challenge men, boys get hurt.

this would be applicable if he was injured by another team, but in this case it really holds no ground

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566820 is a reply to message #566819 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

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The speed and intensity of the game play a factor in the decision making ability of a player, including safety, self protection/preservation.

Calm, cool, and collected, is essential in staying injury free, when better, stronger teams put the pressure on, the mind is the first thing to falter, the body is next (exertion). The body is then exposed to increased danger from a struggling mind, then accidents are more likely to occur, and the body being exerted is more prone.

Maybe, if Gagner wouldn't have been under as much pressure, he'd have move his hand just in time, the difference between injury and a near miss, is often less than inches.

I'd suggest the reason the team has so many injuries, is because we're trying to do so much with so little. There are of course freak accidents. It doesn't help that our best player is injury prone (not just unlucky), as it increases pressure on our other players, which leads to an increased chance of injuries to them.

For example, if a beer league played an NHL team you'd be sure to see more injuries to the beer leaguers than to the NHL team. The general argument is, because the team isn't very good, the team gets injured, and youth and lack of injury resistent players compounds the issue.

Another good argument for recruiting strong skilled vets, Owen Nolan anyone?

[Updated on: Fri, 11 March 2011 11:30]

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566821 is a reply to message #566820 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 11:30

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

You are Bsing us right?

What the hell does the speed and intensity have to do with Whitney stepping into an ice rut? It's bad luck.

Gagner sitting on the bench reaching for a drink of water just as Jones jumps over the boards and Gagner's wrist gets cut. How many times a game does someone on both teams have players jump over the boards for their shift and nothing happens? 100 times, probably or more? How many times in his short hockey career from a kid until now has Gagner reached for a bottle of water as a player jumps over the boards, 1000's? It's bad luck. That's bad luck.
Hemsky trips and falls on his shoulder in exactly the right away to hurt it. 9.5 times out of 10 Hemsky trips and he just gets up.

For Hall. How many 1000's of hockey fights have gone on where the 2 are twisted up into pretzels when they go to the ice and they both get up fine?

I could go on.

Cogliano is not and will never be a valuable part of the Edmonton Oilers. The day he is no longer on the Oilers NHL roster is the day they turn the corner to being a good team.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566830 is a reply to message #566821 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 12:17

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Maurice wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:30

Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

If you did, do think you might come up with a valid point, don't worry about it, I already know the answer to that question.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566832 is a reply to message #566830 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 12:25

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 12:17

Maurice wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:30

Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

If you did, do think you might come up with a valid point, don't worry about it, I already know the answer to that question.

It might be an accident but I will feel alot better after the police investigate, Air Canada refuses to fly Oilers and Jones gets banned for life..........Oh wait.

Also when is the NHL going to wake up and ban the use of skates. They are so sharp its like inviting an accident like this. The game would be so much safer if everyone wore tennis shoes instead. Bunch of bush league dinosaurs.

I must stop now. I think I have OD'd on sarcasm

[Updated on: Fri, 11 March 2011 12:33]

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566822 is a reply to message #566820 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 11:36

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

You're funny.

I wonder what the club spends on adult Depends in the course of one season with this lily-livered crew...

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566838 is a reply to message #566820 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 12:57

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 11 March 2011 11:20

It doesn't help that our best player is injury prone (not just unlucky), as it increases pressure on our other players, which leads to an increased chance of injuries to them.

You know, I was having a discussion about Hemsky with one of my good friends today where he was calling him injury prone. Certainly, if Hesmky misses the rest of this season, he'll have missed 95 of the last 164 games. That's not good. But what defines a player as injury prone?

Other than the last couple of seasons, Hemsky's been fairly durable. Before last season (excluding his rookie season where he was often a healthy scratch, Hemsky had never played less than 64 games in a season. He played 362 of 410 games over five seasons, meaning he played in 88 percent of the Oilers games over a six year period (including the lockout).

Given that all three of his injuries this season are of the more minor variety (I think he'd come back from his rotator cuff injury if we were in a playoff hunt, but I expect the Oilers will shut him down for the year given the team's position), he's had a bit of an unlucky season, following a year where he suffered an unfortunate major injury. I would suggest it is possible that his long recovery from the injury in 2009-10 may have affected his conditioning this year, making him more susceptible to injury this year.

Still, given his track record before last year, I would hardly say it's a certainty that Hemsky won't be healthy for the bulk of next season.

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Re: DoesRe: Gagner out for season [message #566860 is a reply to message #566838 ]	Fri, 11 March 2011 16:20

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I remember reading(on here before I joined) all the complaints some people had that early in Hemsky's career he was soft, and wouldn't go into the so called tough areas. Now, after a few years of going to these tough areas and taking a beating, I'm guessing these same people are complaing that now he's injury prone. Funny how that works. icon_rolleyes

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