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Has to be another move then with brassards cap.


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:14

Has to be another move then with brassards cap.


Think we just need to demote someone that he replaces.



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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:14

Has to be another move then with brassards cap.


Late talk didn’t come to fruition.

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Yeah I just Google him his hit is only 825.


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Brassard one step closer to that elusive 12 team record held by Mike Sillinger. We are team #10 for him now.


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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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But they’ve wanted this guy longer than they wanted a forward like Lucic!



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This trade isn't bad at all he's a serviceable guy


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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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Meh.

What's the value of a 4th round pick next year? It means that IF you pick a player, he's probably 4-6 years away from contributing. That's long after the contracts for McDavid and Draisaitl are over.

Of course, what the value of Brassard is is debatable too. This is a guy who's 34 and never lived up to any expectations. He's probably better than Shore or Malone though, so there is that.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:22

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Meh.

What's the value of a 4th round pick next year? It means that IF you pick a player, he's probably 4-6 years away from contributing. That's long after the contracts for McDavid and Draisaitl are over.

Of course, what the value of Brassard is is debatable too. This is a guy who's 34 and never lived up to any expectations. He's probably better than Shore or Malone though, so there is that.


Should be an alright 4C now. Options and depth are not a bad thing.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:23

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:22

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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Meh.

What's the value of a 4th round pick next year? It means that IF you pick a player, he's probably 4-6 years away from contributing. That's long after the contracts for McDavid and Draisaitl are over.

Of course, what the value of Brassard is is debatable too. This is a guy who's 34 and never lived up to any expectations. He's probably better than Shore or Malone though, so there is that.


Should be an alright 4C now. Options and depth are not a bad thing.


I see this as a deal to neither lament, nor to feel any excitement over. Just an okay add at an okay price.

It is exciting that Holland didn't get completely owned!



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:24

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.


You just wasted an 11% chance at getting a good player for 6 weeks of a player that won't move the needle. Oilers have actually done quite well with 4th round picks. They have 2 good looking ones in the pipeline and guys like Lagesson, Jones, and Rieder were 4th picks. The team is going to need players 4-6 years from now. I know that's shocking but it's true.

Brassard brings very little that the Oilers can't get from existing players. This is a useless waste of a chance to find a good player.



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:24

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.


You just wasted an 11% chance at getting a good player for 6 weeks of a player that won't move the needle. Oilers have actually done quite well with 4th round picks. They have 2 good looking ones in the pipeline and guys like Lagesson, Jones, and Rieder were 4th picks. The team is going to need players 4-6 years from now. I know that's shocking but it's true.

Brassard brings very little that the Oilers can't get from existing players. This is a useless waste of a chance to find a good player.

You look at what Tampa is doing. They throw around first like nothing and generally a first rounder even a late first rounder is pretty likely to be an NHLer, probably will have an actual career and will be in your line up in a fairly short period of time, yet you are worried about a 4th rounder who if you are luck, might play a handful of games 5-6 yrs from when he is drafted.

I guess we will disagree on the value of that pick.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:47

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:24

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.


You just wasted an 11% chance at getting a good player for 6 weeks of a player that won't move the needle. Oilers have actually done quite well with 4th round picks. They have 2 good looking ones in the pipeline and guys like Lagesson, Jones, and Rieder were 4th picks. The team is going to need players 4-6 years from now. I know that's shocking but it's true.

Brassard brings very little that the Oilers can't get from existing players. This is a useless waste of a chance to find a good player.

You look at what Tampa is doing. They throw around first like nothing and generally a first rounder even a late first rounder is pretty likely to be an NHLer, probably will have an actual career and will be in your line up in a fairly short period of time, yet you are worried about a 4th rounder who if you are luck, might play a handful of games 5-6 yrs from when he is drafted.

I guess we will disagree on the value of that pick.


Take a long look at that Tampa roster. Every player of consequence (outside of Sergachev who they basically acquired as a draft pick) has been drafted. They brought in those players on cheap contracts so they could pay the high end guys.

Where was Point drafted?
Where was Palat drafted?
Where was Cirelli drafted?
Where was Killorn drafted?

None of them in the first two rounds, I can assure you that.

Drafting and development needs to be priority just as much as every other part of running an NHL team. You need good, cheap, young players to keep the expensive players. The Oilers are basically missing an entire draft worth of players this year. That leaves a giant hole in their player development.




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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:47

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:24

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

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You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.


You just wasted an 11% chance at getting a good player for 6 weeks of a player that won't move the needle. Oilers have actually done quite well with 4th round picks. They have 2 good looking ones in the pipeline and guys like Lagesson, Jones, and Rieder were 4th picks. The team is going to need players 4-6 years from now. I know that's shocking but it's true.

Brassard brings very little that the Oilers can't get from existing players. This is a useless waste of a chance to find a good player.

You look at what Tampa is doing. They throw around first like nothing and generally a first rounder even a late first rounder is pretty likely to be an NHLer, probably will have an actual career and will be in your line up in a fairly short period of time, yet you are worried about a 4th rounder who if you are luck, might play a handful of games 5-6 yrs from when he is drafted.

I guess we will disagree on the value of that pick.


Take a long look at that Tampa roster. Every player of consequence (outside of Sergachev who they basically acquired as a draft pick) has been drafted. They brought in those players on cheap contracts so they could pay the high end guys.

Where was Point drafted?
Where was Palat drafted?
Where was Cirelli drafted?
Where was Killorn drafted?

None of them in the first two rounds, I can assure you that.

Drafting and development needs to be priority just as much as every other part of running an NHL team. You need good, cheap, young players to keep the expensive players. The Oilers are basically missing an entire draft worth of players this year. That leaves a giant hole in their player development.




No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.



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No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.


And the cycle continues because we don't have enough 11% chances and likely won't find a functional player. Maybe if we actually used all the picks we are given, then we'll have enough 11% chances to get somebody, but no, we'll just move them for players that are only as good as the guys we already have and we'll have this same argument 5 years from now.



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No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.


And the cycle continues because we don't have enough 11% chances and likely won't find a functional player. Maybe if we actually used all the picks we are given, then we'll have enough 11% chances to get somebody, but no, we'll just move them for players that are only as good as the guys we already have and we'll have this same argument 5 years from now.


So if you were a GM, would you never move a draft pick?




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No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.


And the cycle continues because we don't have enough 11% chances and likely won't find a functional player. Maybe if we actually used all the picks we are given, then we'll have enough 11% chances to get somebody, but no, we'll just move them for players that are only as good as the guys we already have and we'll have this same argument 5 years from now.


So if you were a GM, would you never move a draft pick?



Certainly not for the players they traded for today. I need actual team improvement if I'm going to give something up. A better goalie? Sure. A player like Toffoli with term left? Sure. A 7th defenceman and a 4th line centre? No way.

Today was just trading for the sake of trading. To please the masses that were, even on here, complaining about the GM not being "in" as every deal went by. Tonight's team isn't any better than Saturday's was.



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:30

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:12

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:06



No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.


And the cycle continues because we don't have enough 11% chances and likely won't find a functional player. Maybe if we actually used all the picks we are given, then we'll have enough 11% chances to get somebody, but no, we'll just move them for players that are only as good as the guys we already have and we'll have this same argument 5 years from now.


So if you were a GM, would you never move a draft pick?



Certainly not for the players they traded for today. I need actual team improvement if I'm going to give something up. A better goalie? Sure. A player like Toffoli with term left? Sure. A 7th defenceman and a 4th line centre? No way.

Today was just trading for the sake of trading. To please the masses that were, even on here, complaining about the GM not being "in" as every deal went by. Tonight's team isn't any better than Saturday's was.


I'm going to disagree with you there. Kulak in means Kris Russell is out of the lineup. That's an upgrade. He may push Keith down roster too, which is good. The old fella's lack of speed gets exposed by quick teams.

Brassard - well, I'd rather have him in the lineup than Brad Malone, so there's a tangible upgrade too. Maybe not as big of one, but I don't think it's fair to say there's nothing. We had games last month with all of Shore, Malone and Sceviour on the roster, so fair to say the team can use a little more depth.

I don't think a team should trade all their draft picks, but it certainly should be an asset that is on the table. I think that the team needs to be conscious of the window to win, and these next couple of years are of paramount importance over six years from now. There's plenty of ways to acquire players, and the draft is just one of them. If we've won a couple of Cups between now and then, and managed to retain our stars on to their next deals, then our chances of attracting talent improves greatly.

I think that there is a tangible impact from a team's management taking a bet on the team he has and showing the confidence to add at the deadline, and McDavid and Draisaitl need to see some level of success here if we're going to hope they stay.

I'll agree that the team lacks a solid plan though, and that they're over-focused on what fans think as opposed to how to build a winner. I think this is underlined by the fact they hurt their own cap going in to the deadline, and not only didn't address their biggest weakness (goal) but communicated to the market via multiple leaks that they weren't going to try to address that as early as a month ago. I really also question the communication from Holland around the 1st round pick. It's fine not to trade it if there isn't a good reason to do so, but saying that he won't move it because he doesn't think we're in a position that indicates we're a contender? That's a slap in the face to his own team.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:06

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41

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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

Pissing more assets away

You are upset about trading away a 4th rounder for Brassard?

I found a chart and 10.9% of 4th round picks make the NHL and play 100 games. To even make the NHL for a 4th rounder, you would most likely play all your junior after your draft year, so 2 more years plus 3 yrs of pro min. Khaira was a 3rd rounder and it took him till his 6th after his draft before he had his first full season with the Oilers and he's still working on establishing himself.


You just wasted an 11% chance at getting a good player for 6 weeks of a player that won't move the needle. Oilers have actually done quite well with 4th round picks. They have 2 good looking ones in the pipeline and guys like Lagesson, Jones, and Rieder were 4th picks. The team is going to need players 4-6 years from now. I know that's shocking but it's true.

Brassard brings very little that the Oilers can't get from existing players. This is a useless waste of a chance to find a good player.

You look at what Tampa is doing. They throw around first like nothing and generally a first rounder even a late first rounder is pretty likely to be an NHLer, probably will have an actual career and will be in your line up in a fairly short period of time, yet you are worried about a 4th rounder who if you are luck, might play a handful of games 5-6 yrs from when he is drafted.

I guess we will disagree on the value of that pick.


Take a long look at that Tampa roster. Every player of consequence (outside of Sergachev who they basically acquired as a draft pick) has been drafted. They brought in those players on cheap contracts so they could pay the high end guys.

Where was Point drafted?
Where was Palat drafted?
Where was Cirelli drafted?
Where was Killorn drafted?

None of them in the first two rounds, I can assure you that.

Drafting and development needs to be priority just as much as every other part of running an NHL team. You need good, cheap, young players to keep the expensive players. The Oilers are basically missing an entire draft worth of players this year. That leaves a giant hole in their player development.




No question - the Oilers inability to develop players outside of the first round is part of the reason why they've sucked for the bulk of the last 20 years. However, you can't fix that overnight, and if you have significant holes in your lineup, then you need to acquire guys another way. The draft isn't the only route.

Now is 20 games of Brassard worth the chance of some kid we draft next year making the team 5 years after that? He doesn't have to add a lot in order to cover the bet. He scores a goal or two in the playoffs and I think we can call it a wash.

The Oilers need to improve their development and drafting, for sure, but one 4th rounder isn't going to be a massive difference maker, and if McDavid and Draisaitl leave because of lack of playoff success, it doesn't matter anyhow. We're sunk then.

I agree that Brassard doesn't move the needle much for me, but neither does a 2023 4th rounder. I can't lose sleep over someone who has a significant percent chance of never playing a game.

One of the few times I agree with you.

If Brassard can come in fill in a bottom 6 role, maybe kill penalties, maybe be better defensively than someone else the Oilers have, kill a few penalties maybe, chip in a goal or 2 to help the Oilers get in to the playoffs. Like you said, score a goal or 2 in the playoffs, it's totally worth a 4th rounder who all the percentages say probably won't ever see the NHL. Desharnais a few years ago helped the Oilers get into the next round in 2016. If Brassard can do something like that, totally worth it.



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:18

Pissing more assets away


Neo is worth a 4th IMO. I mean, come on, he can change our reality.



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Flyers retained 50% on Brassard deal.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 13:41

Flyers retained 50% on Brassard deal.


Holland dodging adding cap space like a boss

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Glancing at IHDB, the Oilers will be Brassard's 9th NHL team since 2016 (10th overall: Columbus, NY Rangers, Ottawa, Pittsburgh, Florida, Colorado, NY Rangers, Arizona, Philadelphia, Edmonton). Guy get around.


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Aside from Brassard being a Keanu clone, I think he is a poor man fill-in for Nuge. Probably why we got him. Could help the PP a bit.


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 14:35

Aside from Brassard being a Keanu clone, I think he is a poor man fill-in for Nuge. Probably why we got him. Could help the PP a bit.


Definitely helps Lowe’s pp after all these years.



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Mark Spector🇨🇦🇺🇦
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Here is a string on Derick Brassard’s recent scouting report, from The Pro Hockey Group.

10 game segment leading into deadline: 2g-3a.
Ice time at ES has ranged between 10:38 - 15:18
PP TOI - 1:00 - 3:37


His pace / compete ranges:
Good nights are productive
BUT … off the puck his effort leaves much to be desired at times

He thinks the game offensively and might be slotted as a PP specialist 2/3


He does have protection at the top of the lineup in Edmonton, but expect highs and lows from this player

He won’t PK

Depth addition


This is exact opposite of what several others are saying of course:

Quote:

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@NHL_Sid
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Derick Brassard, traded to Edmonton, is a good defensively-inclined, bottom-six forward, with decent finishing.

He isn't a strong offensive play-driver, as he doesn't generate a lot of rush offence. He's also a poor forechecker, but he is an above-average passer. Solid add.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOZUgZiVcAIK0wK?format=png&name=900x900



Gee, I wonder who's more likely wrong?



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Mark Spector🇨🇦🇺🇦
@SportsnetSpec
Here is a string on Derick Brassard’s recent scouting report, from The Pro Hockey Group.

10 game segment leading into deadline: 2g-3a.
Ice time at ES has ranged between 10:38 - 15:18
PP TOI - 1:00 - 3:37


His pace / compete ranges:
Good nights are productive
BUT … off the puck his effort leaves much to be desired at times

He thinks the game offensively and might be slotted as a PP specialist 2/3


He does have protection at the top of the lineup in Edmonton, but expect highs and lows from this player

He won’t PK

Depth addition


This is exact opposite of what several others are saying of course:

Quote:

Sid
@NHL_Sid
·
1h
Derick Brassard, traded to Edmonton, is a good defensively-inclined, bottom-six forward, with decent finishing.

He isn't a strong offensive play-driver, as he doesn't generate a lot of rush offence. He's also a poor forechecker, but he is an above-average passer. Solid add.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FOZUgZiVcAIK0wK?format=png&name=900x900



Gee, I wonder who's more likely wrong?


haha, what? Brassard is a defensive dynamo now? Thought he issue his whole career was he was all offense and no defense. High physicality too?? Neo been training hard. 1 year with Trotz can just change a man.

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Hilarious. We really do have the worst sports media out there.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:20

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Hilarious. We really do have the worst sports media out there.


LoL!

Man, I'm still stunned that Brassard is somehow supposed to be a great defensive forward now. Can't wait to see him in Oilers silks, finally!



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Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:43

Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.


Clearly @smaloughey has some nefarious alternative motive for pointing out that Leavins hasn't done any research on what he's claiming.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:46

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:43

Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.


Clearly @smaloughey has some nefarious alternative motive for pointing out that Leavins hasn't done any research on what he's claiming.

The only nefarious alternative motive I can see is pointing out the media is as useless as a bosom on a bull. Mission accomplished, I supposed.




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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:46

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:43

Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.


Clearly @smaloughey has some nefarious alternative motive for pointing out that Leavins hasn't done any research on what he's claiming.

The only nefarious alternative motive I can see is pointing out the media is as useless as a bosom on a bull. Mission accomplished, I supposed.




Give Leavins a break. He heard on the radio that Brassard was killing a penalty.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:46

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:43

Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.


Clearly @smaloughey has some nefarious alternative motive for pointing out that Leavins hasn't done any research on what he's claiming.

The only nefarious alternative motive I can see is pointing out the media is as useless as a bosom on a bull. Mission accomplished, I supposed.




I'd argue that ol' Kurt himself did better illustrating that in that exchange than anyone else.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:55

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:46

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 21 March 2022 15:43

Why is picking a fight with him an interesting tactic? What carefully planned strategy is the random twitter user engaged in?

The media is a trusted source of news, information, and analysis.


Clearly @smaloughey has some nefarious alternative motive for pointing out that Leavins hasn't done any research on what he's claiming.

The only nefarious alternative motive I can see is pointing out the media is as useless as a bosom on a bull. Mission accomplished, I supposed.




I'd argue that ol' Kurt himself did better illustrating that in that exchange than anyone else.

Damn media and their interesting tactics and nefarious goals. They're shifty, I tell you.



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Hilarious. We really do have the worst sports media out there.


Just the perfect blend of a complete lack of knowledge, a demonstrated inability or even desire to acquire new knowledge, all backed by a completely unwarranted level of arrogance. Truly a sight to behold.



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