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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810835 is a reply to message #810671 ]
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Jesse Puljujarvi and EDM avoid arbitration at 1 year, $3M

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Jesse Puljujarvi and EDM avoid arbitration at 1 year, $3M

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:35

Elliotte Friedman
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· 17m
Jesse Puljujarvi and EDM avoid arbitration at 1 year, $3M


Wish it was for 2, but not surprised. Hopefully he can have a good year and if he prices himself out then the team can get a good return.

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Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810840 is a reply to message #810839 ]
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I think that's a fair deal. That's the max I would want to pay him on a short deal. That's a pretty healthy raise for JP, over 2.5 times what he made last year. I hope both sides come away satisfied.

Gregor saying Oilers wanted 2.8, JP wanted 3.2 I am sure thanks to the Kapanen and his bit of an overpay in my opinion who I believe shares the same agent, set the price. So they met in the middle. The ball is in JP's courts. He's going into his 25 yr old season, it's time to be the player who he will be.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810841 is a reply to message #810840 ]
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This seems more like a sign and trade at the deadline, rather than a bridge deal. Half a season for JP to pump up his value.

Illegitimi non carborundum.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810842 is a reply to message #810839 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Or still trade Puljujarvi for pennies on the dollar.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810843 is a reply to message #810839 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810844 is a reply to message #810843 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810845 is a reply to message #810844 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.

Bouchard.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810846 is a reply to message #810842 ]
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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 12:17

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Or still trade Puljujarvi for pennies on the dollar.


I think there's a very good chance this happens.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810847 is a reply to message #810844 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:27

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.

Bouchard.

You need a minimum of 6 dmen usually to play, so who's the 6?
Nurse, Ceci, Bouchard, Kulak are locks.
Probably Broberg is in.

Who's your 6th if you dump Barrie as a salary dump?

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Foegle and Barrie as a package isn't overpriced. But if that was to happen, we'd need to sign Bouch to an extension sometime in the NOW.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

[Updated on: Tue, 26 July 2022 13:49]

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Avoided arbitration and came in at a reasonable 1 year deal……now which shoe falls? Trade him? Keep him?

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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46

https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1551995391687761920?s =21&t=ZQB7cDvSzLcMeRhtH97bTA

Avoided arbitration and came in at a reasonable 1 year deal……now which show falls? Trade him? Keep him?


Pulju is gonna come in looking to have a huge year. Sucks that it might guarantee us trading him if he does now. At least we should get some good value back if that happens. In Brad we trust? icon_lol

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.

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Right D, you don't have to replace him with a right shot. Bouch is going to be PP1 and likely Nurse on PP2.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:58

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.


I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.

I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here after leading the league in points, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer unless Bouch is injured most of the year.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:07

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.


I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.

I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer.

I am of the opinion that personality wise, they do like Barrie and so does the room. I think when it comes to on the ice, they are not in a rush to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him like some fans want. I also think if they do trade him, they would want to know they are getting an upgrade for sure vs rolling the dice on the guy. Better to keep the guy you know vs get rid of him and hope another guy is better then have him not work out.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:58

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.


I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.

I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer.

I am of the opinion that personality wise, they do like Barrie and so does the room. I think when it comes to on the ice, they are not in a rush to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him like some fans want. I also think if they do trade him, they would want to know they are getting an upgrade for sure vs rolling the dice on the guy. Better to keep the guy you know vs get rid of him and hope another guy is better then have him not work out.


An upgrade on what though? Someone that playing 3rd pair time is losing the possession battle most of the time? It's not that hard to replace that player. I think maybe we have different views of what Barrie is. I think he's just a passable 3rd pair D if he's not getting the PP time. When you imply it would be hard to replace him, I just don't see it that way. Without a doubt a GM worth close to 5M should easily be able to replace that role for far cheaper IMO.

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:03

Right D, you don't have to replace him with a right shot. Bouch is going to be PP1 and likely Nurse on PP2.


Just meant for the ES time. If we want to try to keep the RH/LH balance on D, we would need another RHD. But yeah, I suppose if you get a decent enough LHD that is comfortable on the right side that should be good enough on the 3rd pair.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:18

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 14:07

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:58

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:20

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.


I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.

I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer.

I am of the opinion that personality wise, they do like Barrie and so does the room. I think when it comes to on the ice, they are not in a rush to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him like some fans want. I also think if they do trade him, they would want to know they are getting an upgrade for sure vs rolling the dice on the guy. Better to keep the guy you know vs get rid of him and hope another guy is better then have him not work out.


An upgrade on what though? Someone that playing 3rd pair time is losing the possession battle most of the time? It's not that hard to replace that player. I think maybe we have different views of what Barrie is. I think he's just a passable 3rd pair D if he's not getting the PP time. When you imply it would be hard to replace him, I just don't see it that way. Without a doubt a GM worth close to 5M should easily be able to replace that role for far cheaper IMO.

I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:58

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:25

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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:07

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:05

Foegele has to be on the way out...or buried in the minors right now....right?

Only way to resign Yamo and McLeod now

They could buyout Barrie!


Barrie is the only guy we could trade now to free up space. Seems like we've been shopping Foegele all summer and no takers because he's so overpriced. But we just love Barrie too much to bring ourselves to move him, so we will buy him out next summer after he plays on the 3rd line all year and loses his PP spot.

The Oilers way.

If you trade Barrie, you need a dman to take his spot. Who's doing that? Taking into account this isn't a developing team, it's a team looking to challenge for a cup so plugging in a rookie from Bakersfield I don't think is a good idea.


Who is taking the spot of a guy that performs like an average 3rd pair D if he doesn't get spoonfed McDavid ice time and PP time? Not sure, but I think you can fill that spot far cheaper than 4.5M.

Keeping Barrie this year just means we are trying to unload him next summer after he underperforms his cap hit by a significant margin just like Foegele right now. Trade Barrie now, replace him for 1-2M and have 2.5M more to play with this season. Obviously you try to unload Foegele too, and I wouldn't worry about how hard it would be to replace him either.

Sounds great, who you getting for 1-2 mill that is a better and cheaper defender than Barrie? I've seen and heard lots of stats people say that Barrie's D numbers were decent the last half of the season and the playoffs.


I admittedly am not an expert on all the 3rd pair D available throughout the league, but am going to take a leap that there are many many ways to get one if needed if you have ~2M of cap space to spare.

Barrie without McDavid in the playoffs was 22% GF (2 for, 7 against). Some bad luck involved, but I don't think he was bringing anything that special to the table, aside from that goal in the Kings series :)

Would love to keep everyone, but, to me, Barrie is the most obvious move still. A team desperate for a RHD that can play the PP has to be out there. We were that team for over a decade and suddenly we have 2 guys like that. Not moving Barrie now I think will result in not that much benefit in the season if he loses that PP spot, you'll be paying a guy probably double what he is providing, and then we are trying to Foegele him next summer. Sometimes it just makes sense to be proactive about this stuff, which the Oilers almost never are.

Personally I would pay a team sweetener to take Foegele and I would move Barrie. Foegele's performance very replaceable probably for 1.5M max. Barrie's future as a 3rd pair D for ~2M. The PP actually scored as a higher rate with Nurse than Barrie the last couple years, so you don't even need Barrie as the 2nd PP guy that badly. Bouch has more potential to add a new element to the PP than Barrie at this point. Bouch has the shot. Barrie is mainly just a guy that needs to pass quickly and not give the puck away like 1 armed Klef was.

All sounds amazing and I am not disagreeing one bit with you nor am I being sarcastic what so ever. If you can get a better dman for cheaper than Barrie, sign me up. But like I said, I don't know who that guy is.

I see the Oilers in a cup window. They will have Bouchard who's a second year dman and most likely Broberg playing defense, so I personally do not think introducing another young dman full time like say Niemelinen or Samoruko or who ever is a good idea. I also believe in putting players into positions to succeed so while I understand Broberg at lower levels can play his offside, I do not think putting Broberg in his first full year in the NHL on his offside is smart. So I think they need a vet to replace Barrie. So they need a veteran, right shot, cheap, better defensive dman than Barrie who isn't a pylon on skates.

Are you of the opinion that the Oilers have turned down the opportunity to get this better, cheaper dman for Barrie? I don't know if he's out there personally. If they did, they are idiots.


I just think "as good as Barrie" in the context of him losing his PP spot is a very low bar to hit. Maybe you need to make a small trade for a 3rd pair D, but it shouldn't be a hard gap to fill IMO. Maybe as part of the trade of Barrie you get a cheaper RHD back from the team trying to get a PP specialist. The important part is that you're clearing the 4.5M off your books that would be going to a guy that will end up performing at a ~2M level. Barrie without PP time and the prime time with the top line (that makes almost any D look good on paper) is a very mediocre D IMO.

I think the Oilers just like Barrie and are not seriously shopping him. Barrie signed a discount to stay here, he's a great guy and good friends with lots of our players. Maybe there is a loyalty barrier to get over to move him. He's redundant on this team though, it's very clear. It will be much much harder to move him next summer.

I am of the opinion that personality wise, they do like Barrie and so does the room. I think when it comes to on the ice, they are not in a rush to get rid of him for the sake of getting rid of him like some fans want. I also think if they do trade him, they would want to know they are getting an upgrade for sure vs rolling the dice on the guy. Better to keep the guy you know vs get rid of him and hope another guy is better then have him not work out.


An upgrade on what though? Someone that playing 3rd pair time is losing the possession battle most of the time? It's not that hard to replace that player. I think maybe we have different views of what Barrie is. I think he's just a passable 3rd pair D if he's not getting the PP time. When you imply it would be hard to replace him, I just don't see it that way. Without a doubt a GM worth close to 5M should easily be able to replace that role for far cheaper IMO.

I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.


At the very least Holland needs to be looking for a replacement player with a shut down acumen. I like Soucy. LH shot, but can play either side. 1.75M cheaper with an expiring contract.

Not sure if that deal us out there, but it makes financial sense and fits the team’s needs.

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I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.


I get the argument about not wanting to downgrade the defence, but even if Barrie were the best 3rd pair defenceman in the league in a cap world it's still a massive misallocation of resources to be paying him that much to play that role.

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https://twitter.com/friedgehnic/status/1551995391687761920?s =21&t=ZQB7cDvSzLcMeRhtH97bTA

Avoided arbitration and came in at a reasonable 1 year deal……now which shoe falls? Trade him? Keep him?



He's worth $2.5, but $3M facing an un-savvy arbitrator looking at crude hockey stats as a guideline isn't awful.
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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:38


I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.


I get the argument about not wanting to downgrade the defence, but even if Barrie were the best 3rd pair defenceman in the league in a cap world it's still a massive misallocation of resources to be paying him that much to play that role.

You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.

If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.

So yes I agree, with Bouchard passing Barrie, it seems like Barrie is too expensive for the reduced role he will be in sharing or giving up the PP all together. But they Oilers can't just dump Barrie for nothing and not have another dman in place. They can't be going into camp hoping some rookie can fill his spot. Ideally, they attach and asset and trade Foegele. I am curious to know what exactly the Ducks are doing. They are 4.3 mill under the cap floor.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:21

Goose wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:38


I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.


I get the argument about not wanting to downgrade the defence, but even if Barrie were the best 3rd pair defenceman in the league in a cap world it's still a massive misallocation of resources to be paying him that much to play that role.

You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.

If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.


It might be more of a mistake though to have 4.5M locked up on a 3rd pair D when you could use ~2.5M of that money to improve other areas of the team. That's the balance that needs to be found. We are struggling now to resign our forwards to have at least 3 solid forward lines, and part of the reason we are struggling to do that is because we are overpaying some guys for the role they will play next season. To me Foegele and Barrie are clearly players that will be making more than they are worth next season on our team. Also of course we are paying millions to guys not even on our roster. Hopefully that is done with soon

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:21

Goose wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:12

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 13:38


I guess we have differing opinions but I see the Oilers going into a potential cup challenging window so I am not looking for them to downgrade their defense.
I see Barrie as a dman who when paired with a good skating dman, he can give you OK defensive hockey like he was when he was with Kulak. Defensively, he didn't have a good first half, the second half was decent and so were his playoffs. I see him as a smart, very good puck mover 5 on 5 which in the NHL these days is important. Every dman has to be able to move the puck at least a bit thse days in my opinion. He can be a PP QB if you need him. On the Oilers, that's a luxury they could afford to lose. I see him as a guy who is at this point in his career best suited for the 3rd pair but if something happens, he could play more and not kill you. He's also a right shot and experienced and when you have Bouchard AND Broberg in your line up, you need experienced guys.

I am not interested in playing a rookie in Broberg on his offside. I don't care if he has done it before in lower levels, he's got 23 total NHL games. That's it. I believe he played virtually all those games on the left. The NHL is the hardest league in the world, him moving up to the NHL will already be a huge learning curve, I am not piling on the pressure of playing your offside while you learn the NHL game. I believe they should put young players especially defense in positions to succeed, asking a rookie to play your offside is not doing that. I also do not think forcing someone else to play their offside is a good idea unless they have been doing that are many years.

So to replace him and not downgrade your defense, you need a dman that:
- has experience and is a right shot.
- can defend at least at Barrie's level when he was playing well in the second half.
- be able to move the puck at least some.
- can't be a pylon on skates.


I get the argument about not wanting to downgrade the defence, but even if Barrie were the best 3rd pair defenceman in the league in a cap world it's still a massive misallocation of resources to be paying him that much to play that role.

You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.

If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.

Ideally, they attach and asset and trade Foegele. I am curious to know what exactly the Ducks are doing. They are 4.3 mill under the cap floor.

The issue isn't who replaces Barrie. The issue is, as always, poor management forcing the Oilers to make stupid and panicked decisions to cover for their mismanagement. No one wants to replace a real (but overpaid) NHL player for a sub-replacement level meat bag. But here we are, it needs to happen because the incompetently run Oilers have predictably bungled their way into a corner.

Ultimately who replaces Barrie and Foegle doesn't matter. We know we're either going to be watching someone else's problem, a guy that can't handle the spot, or a not yet ready rookie. There is no replacement for Barrie at a price the Oilers can afford. Unless they buy out Barrie.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 15:21


You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.

If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.

So yes I agree, with Bouchard passing Barrie, it seems like Barrie is too expensive for the reduced role he will be in sharing or giving up the PP all together. But they Oilers can't just dump Barrie for nothing and not have another dman in place. They can't be going into camp hoping some rookie can fill his spot. Ideally, they attach and asset and trade Foegele. I am curious to know what exactly the Ducks are doing. They are 4.3 mill under the cap floor.


Maybe Ethan Bear is available from Carolina.

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Goose wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 16:44

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 15:21


You guys continue to dance around the issue. You can get rid of Barrie and I am sure they could find someone in need of an offensive dman to just dump the salary on them for not much back but they have to replace him. I fully understand Bouchard can replace him on the PP. I am not talking about that. I am talking about replacing Barrie, the right shot NHL dman that he is. Maybe you don't like Barrie personally, maybe you don't think he defends well enough or think he makes too much money for what he does and that is fine. It does not change the fact that he is a right shot, NHL dman that could play on 31 other teams.

If you trade Barrie today and don't have a viable NHL dman to replace his spot on the 3rd line, then the next guy up in the Oilers system to play the right side in the 3rd pairing is Desharnais. Or you flip over a rookie in Broberg. I see the Oilers in a cup window now and I think it would be a massive mistake to expect Desharnais who's never played in the NHL to take over Barrie's spot or to expect a Dman with 23 career NHL games to flip over to his opposite side.

So yes I agree, with Bouchard passing Barrie, it seems like Barrie is too expensive for the reduced role he will be in sharing or giving up the PP all together. But they Oilers can't just dump Barrie for nothing and not have another dman in place. They can't be going into camp hoping some rookie can fill his spot. Ideally, they attach and asset and trade Foegele. I am curious to know what exactly the Ducks are doing. They are 4.3 mill under the cap floor.


Maybe Ethan Bear is available from Carolina.

Maybe. Bear seems to be a player that hardcore advanced numbers people are high on. I'm curious/ I'd be somewhat concerned if they brought him in, why a team that is supposedly as big into numbers as the Canes are, haven't signed him?

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Who gets traded for Cap Relief?[ 20 vote(s) ]
1.Puljujarvi (3.0M) 1 / 5%
2.Yammo (~$3.0M?) 1 / 5%
3.Foegle ($2.75M) 8 / 40%
4.Barrie ($4.5M) 8 / 40%
5.KoekKoek ($925K) 2 / 10%

Cap friendly has $3.436M left for McLeod and Yammo.. cap includes Koekoek on the roster.

That math doesn't work.

Someone needs to go.. who's your bet?

I put down Koekkoek.. but he might be buried like last year anyway.. so maybe you have to add that to the $3.436M cap space they have right now.. how much is buried if they send him down again?

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 18:15

Cap friendly has $3.436M left for McLeod and Yammo.. cap includes Koekoek on the roster.

That math doesn't work.

Someone needs to go.. who's your bet?

I put down Koekkoek.. but he might be buried like last year anyway.. so maybe you have to add that to the $3.436M cap space they have right now.. how much is buried if they send him down again?




Heart says Foegle, but who is going to want him. So no go.

Head says Barrie, as he probably has the most tradable value given a good post season run.

Paranoia says Puljujarvi, but they can't find anyone interested in the risk. So no go.

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nullterm wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 19:26

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 18:15

Cap friendly has $3.436M left for McLeod and Yammo.. cap includes Koekoek on the roster.

That math doesn't work.

Someone needs to go.. who's your bet?

I put down Koekkoek.. but he might be buried like last year anyway.. so maybe you have to add that to the $3.436M cap space they have right now.. how much is buried if they send him down again?




Heart says Foegle, but who is going to want him. So no go.

Head says Barrie, as he probably has the most tradable value given a good post season run.

Paranoia says Puljujarvi, but they can't find anyone interested in the risk. So no go.


The problem with trading JP is nobody is wants to give anything up for him.. at $3M few teams even have the room, especially if the guy is seen as a performance risk, which he is.
Foelge would be next choice, but again with his cap, and few teams with cap room, says no deal..

Barrie is the most tradable.. but then you have a functional player gone, and a corresponding hole in the line up to fill somehow.. and useable defensemen are harder to find than wingers.. should be interesting to see what unfolds.

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 Re: Puljujarvi + Yamamoto File for Arbitration [message #810877 is a reply to message #810874 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 18:15

Cap friendly has $3.436M left for McLeod and Yammo.. cap includes Koekoek on the roster.

That math doesn't work.

Someone needs to go.. who's your bet?

I put down Koekkoek.. but he might be buried like last year anyway.. so maybe you have to add that to the $3.436M cap space they have right now.. how much is buried if they send him down again?




Replacing Koekkoek would only save cap room if his replacement comes less than his cap hit of 925K.

His whole cap hit could be buried, but you still need a body there. Have to look elsewhere for cap savings.

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 19:51

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 26 July 2022 18:15

Cap friendly has $3.436M left for McLeod and Yammo.. cap includes Koekoek on the roster.

That math doesn't work.

Someone needs to go.. who's your bet?

I put down Koekkoek.. but he might be buried like last year anyway.. so maybe you have to add that to the $3.436M cap space they have right now.. how much is buried if they send him down again?




Replacing Koekkoek would only save cap room if his replacement comes less than his cap hit of 925K.

His whole cap hit could be buried, but you still need a body there. Have to look elsewhere for cap savings.


You are right, unless you go with a short roster, which has been the Vegas model for periods, but unrealistic.

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