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 Oil Change 2? [message #811223]
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Per official Oilers twitter:

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What if we told you we were doing another all-access, Oil Change-type show...


https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/155922406187965644 9?s=20&t=93fFaOoFneL7unXJVpwEjw

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 11:44

Per official Oilers twitter:

Quote:

What if we told you we were doing another all-access, Oil Change-type show...


https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/155922406187965644 9?s=20&t=93fFaOoFneL7unXJVpwEjw


I'd love to see it again. I don't think it hurts the on ice performance and for the fans it is a no ice hedge for hilarity if the team fails.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 10:44

Per official Oilers twitter:

Quote:

What if we told you we were doing another all-access, Oil Change-type show...


https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/155922406187965644 9?s=20&t=93fFaOoFneL7unXJVpwEjw


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Oh the Ministry of Truth is feeling positive this year!

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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 12:47

Oh the Ministry of Truth is feeling positive this year!

I have no interest in this.


You guys are crazy! So many of the laughs on here that sustained ppl through the darkest years came from the behind the scenes stuff we got to see on Oil Change.

Behind the scenes Ken and Brad Holland taking us (trying to at least) to the promised land? Come on. That is must see TV.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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 Re: Oil Change 2? [message #811230 is a reply to message #811227 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 11:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 12:47

Oh the Ministry of Truth is feeling positive this year!

I have no interest in this.


You guys are crazy! So many of the laughs on here that sustained ppl through the darkest years came from the behind the scenes stuff we got to see on Oil Change.

Behind the scenes Ken and Brad Holland taking us (trying to at least) to the promised land? Come on. That is must see TV.


I have no interest to see how the sausage gets made..

https://media3.giphy.com/media/cKKULKScYSG8CSibXc/200.webp?cid=ecf05e47bqesyvmlmsaeoo2rkge0j6iymnzrqmrmqc8rqb7l&rid=200.webp&ct=g
https://c.tenor.com/yM62t_iPMHYAAAAC/sausage-makingsausage.gif

[Updated on: Mon, 15 August 2022 13:07]

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 13:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 11:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 12:47

Oh the Ministry of Truth is feeling positive this year!

I have no interest in this.


You guys are crazy! So many of the laughs on here that sustained ppl through the darkest years came from the behind the scenes stuff we got to see on Oil Change.

Behind the scenes Ken and Brad Holland taking us (trying to at least) to the promised land? Come on. That is must see TV.


I have no interest to see how the sausage gets made..

https://media3.giphy.com/media/cKKULKScYSG8CSibXc/200.webp?cid=ecf05e47bqesyvmlmsaeoo2rkge0j6iymnzrqmrmqc8rqb7l&rid=200.webp&ct=g
https://c.tenor.com/yM62t_iPMHYAAAAC/sausage-makingsausage.gif


What if you found out a year later that the sausage were full of human body parts, cyanide, shredded tire rubber, cat hair and discarded batteries? Would you regret not having all the footage of how those sausages were made handy to look back on?

You could say that the footage would never be allowed to include those incidents, but gotta remember the same group that made those sausages also directed the film :) You're for sure gonna see in the background of an interview with one of the sausage makers the guy falling into the grinder trying to save the cat.

[Updated on: Mon, 15 August 2022 13:16]

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- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

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 Re: Oil Change 2? [message #811233 is a reply to message #811232 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 13:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 13:05

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 11:57

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 12:47

Oh the Ministry of Truth is feeling positive this year!

I have no interest in this.


You guys are crazy! So many of the laughs on here that sustained ppl through the darkest years came from the behind the scenes stuff we got to see on Oil Change.

Behind the scenes Ken and Brad Holland taking us (trying to at least) to the promised land? Come on. That is must see TV.


I have no interest to see how the sausage gets made..

https://media3.giphy.com/media/cKKULKScYSG8CSibXc/200.webp?cid=ecf05e47bqesyvmlmsaeoo2rkge0j6iymnzrqmrmqc8rqb7l&rid=200.webp&ct=g
https://c.tenor.com/yM62t_iPMHYAAAAC/sausage-makingsausage.gif


What if you found out a year later that the sausage were full of human body parts, cyanide, shredded tire rubber, cat hair and discarded batteries? Would you regret not having all the footage of how those sausages were made handy to look back on?

You could say that the footage would never be allowed to include those incidents, but gotta remember the same group that made those sausages also directed the film :) You're for sure gonna see in the background of an interview with one of the sausage makers the guy falling into the grinder trying to save the cat.



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 Re: Oil Change 2? [message #811241 is a reply to message #811232 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 13:12


What if you found out a year later that the sausage were full of human body parts, cyanide, shredded tire rubber, cat hair and discarded batteries? Would you regret not having all the footage of how those sausages were made handy to look back on?

You could say that the footage would never be allowed to include those incidents, but gotta remember the same group that made those sausages also directed the film :) You're for sure gonna see in the background of an interview with one of the sausage makers the guy falling into the grinder trying to save the cat.


As unintentionally hilarious as the first version is, I think it's generally a bad idea. As you point out, these guys don't actually know what to share and what not to share, so they put out things they think make them look good - Tambellini landing the extra year of Eric Belanger, Chiarelli managing the Tyler Seguin echo chamber/trade discussions - and that just are embarrassing for everyone afterwards. Also, the need to story-tell, leads to people being turned in to caricatures, which can be embarrassing. I believe Nylander was really unhappy with his portrayal on the Leafs all-access show a year or two ago.

I think it only can do damage to the team's internal workings including eroding team culture and upping divisiveness, based on the story-telling decisions of some TV exec and team liaison.

If I'm in management, I want to keep Oz the Great and Powerful behind the curtain so I never agree to any of these things. I just don't think they tend to age well ever. I think of the coaching methods of Therrien with the Pens in their series, or the Blue Jackets elation at the Bruins picking Kessel instead of their desired Brassard in Gare Joyce's behind the scenes book on scouting or even some of the things about Peter Pocklington in Peter Gzowski's book on the early 80s Oilers that in hindsight were real warning signs about the owner.

So it's a no for me, although sadly, the team still doesn't give me a vote on any of this.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 14:23

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 13:12


What if you found out a year later that the sausage were full of human body parts, cyanide, shredded tire rubber, cat hair and discarded batteries? Would you regret not having all the footage of how those sausages were made handy to look back on?

You could say that the footage would never be allowed to include those incidents, but gotta remember the same group that made those sausages also directed the film :) You're for sure gonna see in the background of an interview with one of the sausage makers the guy falling into the grinder trying to save the cat.


As unintentionally hilarious as the first version is, I think it's generally a bad idea. As you point out, these guys don't actually know what to share and what not to share, so they put out things they think make them look good - Tambellini landing the extra year of Eric Belanger, Chiarelli managing the Tyler Seguin echo chamber/trade discussions - and that just are embarrassing for everyone afterwards. Also, the need to story-tell, leads to people being turned in to caricatures, which can be embarrassing. I believe Nylander was really unhappy with his portrayal on the Leafs all-access show a year or two ago.

I think it only can do damage to the team's internal workings including eroding team culture and upping divisiveness, based on the story-telling decisions of some TV exec and team liaison.

If I'm in management, I want to keep Oz the Great and Powerful behind the curtain so I never agree to any of these things. I just don't think they tend to age well ever. I think of the coaching methods of Therrien with the Pens in their series, or the Blue Jackets elation at the Bruins picking Kessel instead of their desired Brassard in Gare Joyce's behind the scenes book on scouting or even some of the things about Peter Pocklington in Peter Gzowski's book on the early 80s Oilers that in hindsight were real warning signs about the owner.

So it's a no for me, although sadly, the team still doesn't give me a vote on any of this.


Fair points. Although, I think by the time you know a lot of the stuff in the show are bad or embarrassing the team would have already failed, so it's just loads of fun to look back on :) Also, embarrassing this org during losing can be a positive and maybe get some people booted out the door.

I'm probably being obvious of why I really do want it, just for the laughs. And of course the Brad Holland mic drops as he throws out the analytics knowledge bombs on his dad.

[Updated on: Mon, 15 August 2022 15:53]

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The worst part? These shows tend to get greenlit because teams develop a bit of hubris thinking they're on the edge of greatness, and they're going to document how brilliant they were in getting over that edge.

Buuuuut, we all know how hubris is rewarded in like every story of all-time, right?

When the Oilers previously decided to do Oil Change - they were sure that getting Hall and Eberle meant that a Cup parade was just around the corner. And then sure it was a tough year, but we got Nuge, so you know, it's all part of the plan. Also Smytty coming home! It's all great tv drama! Then the next year we still sucked. But another first round pick plus Justin Schultz? We can't lose now...

Then we lost again. Then we hired Eakins. Then the show got discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Change_(TV_series)

My favourite thing about this wiki is how the descriptions go from pretty in-depth in the first couple years, to a single line in the 2013 season, and then to just airing dates in the final season, presumably because no one even watched, so no one knows what happened in those episodes.

I should really try to find them all. If we're going to document the great failure that was the Lowe era, then that's great source material. All helpfully curated to show what the team thought was really important about their management decision making!

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Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:15

The worst part? These shows tend to get greenlit because teams develop a bit of hubris thinking they're on the edge of greatness, and they're going to document how brilliant they were in getting over that edge.

Buuuuut, we all know how hubris is rewarded in like every story of all-time, right?

When the Oilers previously decided to do Oil Change - they were sure that getting Hall and Eberle meant that a Cup parade was just around the corner. And then sure it was a tough year, but we got Nuge, so you know, it's all part of the plan. Also Smytty coming home! It's all great tv drama! Then the next year we still sucked. But another first round pick plus Justin Schultz? We can't lose now...

Then we lost again. Then we hired Eakins. Then the show got discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Change_(TV_series)

My favourite thing about this wiki is how the descriptions go from pretty in-depth in the first couple years, to a single line in the 2013 season, and then to just airing dates in the final season, presumably because no one even watched, so no one knows what happened in those episodes.

I should really try to find them all. If we're going to document the great failure that was the Lowe era, then that's great source material. All helpfully curated to show what the team thought was really important about their management decision making!


So what you're kinda saying here is, if they make this show failure is almost guaranteed. But then, it means hilarity of the show is also guaranteed. So we the fans looking for entertainment win no matter what!

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:15

The worst part? These shows tend to get greenlit because teams develop a bit of hubris thinking they're on the edge of greatness, and they're going to document how brilliant they were in getting over that edge.

Buuuuut, we all know how hubris is rewarded in like every story of all-time, right?

When the Oilers previously decided to do Oil Change - they were sure that getting Hall and Eberle meant that a Cup parade was just around the corner. And then sure it was a tough year, but we got Nuge, so you know, it's all part of the plan. Also Smytty coming home! It's all great tv drama! Then the next year we still sucked. But another first round pick plus Justin Schultz? We can't lose now...

Then we lost again. Then we hired Eakins. Then the show got discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Change_(TV_series)

My favourite thing about this wiki is how the descriptions go from pretty in-depth in the first couple years, to a single line in the 2013 season, and then to just airing dates in the final season, presumably because no one even watched, so no one knows what happened in those episodes.

I should really try to find them all. If we're going to document the great failure that was the Lowe era, then that's great source material. All helpfully curated to show what the team thought was really important about their management decision making!


So what you're kinda saying here is, if they make this show failure is almost guaranteed. But then, it means hilarity of the show is also guaranteed. So we the fans looking for entertainment win no matter what!


Unless you want a Cup during McDavid's time here...although admittedly, that's still a big leap of faith without the show.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:45

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:15

The worst part? These shows tend to get greenlit because teams develop a bit of hubris thinking they're on the edge of greatness, and they're going to document how brilliant they were in getting over that edge.

Buuuuut, we all know how hubris is rewarded in like every story of all-time, right?

When the Oilers previously decided to do Oil Change - they were sure that getting Hall and Eberle meant that a Cup parade was just around the corner. And then sure it was a tough year, but we got Nuge, so you know, it's all part of the plan. Also Smytty coming home! It's all great tv drama! Then the next year we still sucked. But another first round pick plus Justin Schultz? We can't lose now...

Then we lost again. Then we hired Eakins. Then the show got discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Change_(TV_series)

My favourite thing about this wiki is how the descriptions go from pretty in-depth in the first couple years, to a single line in the 2013 season, and then to just airing dates in the final season, presumably because no one even watched, so no one knows what happened in those episodes.

I should really try to find them all. If we're going to document the great failure that was the Lowe era, then that's great source material. All helpfully curated to show what the team thought was really important about their management decision making!


So what you're kinda saying here is, if they make this show failure is almost guaranteed. But then, it means hilarity of the show is also guaranteed. So we the fans looking for entertainment win no matter what!


Unless you want a Cup during McDavid's time here...although admittedly, that's still a big leap of faith without the show.


As you said, it's out of all our control.

If they make the show, I guess just enjoy the laughs as the hubris sinks the rest of McDavid's Oilers career :)

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We should remember the goal of the Oilers is not to win hockey games. They're a marketing vehicle first, real estate venture second, and hockey team third. On-ice success is simply a 'nice to have'. The truth is they're underselling their ownership of McDavid's contract.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 16:15

The worst part? These shows tend to get greenlit because teams develop a bit of hubris thinking they're on the edge of greatness, and they're going to document how brilliant they were in getting over that edge.

Buuuuut, we all know how hubris is rewarded in like every story of all-time, right?

When the Oilers previously decided to do Oil Change - they were sure that getting Hall and Eberle meant that a Cup parade was just around the corner. And then sure it was a tough year, but we got Nuge, so you know, it's all part of the plan. Also Smytty coming home! It's all great tv drama! Then the next year we still sucked. But another first round pick plus Justin Schultz? We can't lose now...

Then we lost again. Then we hired Eakins. Then the show got discontinued.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_Change_(TV_series)

My favourite thing about this wiki is how the descriptions go from pretty in-depth in the first couple years, to a single line in the 2013 season, and then to just airing dates in the final season, presumably because no one even watched, so no one knows what happened in those episodes.

I should really try to find them all. If we're going to document the great failure that was the Lowe era, then that's great source material. All helpfully curated to show what the team thought was really important about their management decision making!


If the organization was smart, they'd capture the production footage, then release it if and only if measurable success occurred. There'd be a decent chance that the project would be scrapped, and they're pissing away resources, but at least it wouldn't count against the cap. confused2 Is there an example of an ongoing inside look at a franchise that had a cup parade as the finale?

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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 16 August 2022 12:51

Is there an example of an ongoing inside look at a franchise that had a cup parade as the finale?


Leafs: All or Nothing in the pandemic season when they were given a free run to the conference final thanks to being in a terrible division. Didn't they win that year?

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I was under the impression that they shot the footage this season when we made the final and now we get to see a great outcome behind the scenes...

So Oilers to announce this before we know what happens this season. computer

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I, for one, can't wait for more behind-the-scenes drama of will they or won't they land Jerred Smithson at the trade deadline.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 09:58

I, for one, can't wait for more behind-the-scenes drama of will they or won't they land Jerred Smithson at the trade deadline.


Want to see the celebration when Smith signs a new extension after a year of recovery and shows how excited he is about what we're building by insisting on a 3 year deal instead of just 2.

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They will probably do a Bob Nicholson/Team Canada interview. Hard hitting journalism.

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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2022 10:15

They will probably do a Bob Nicholson/Team Canada interview. Hard hitting journalism.


Maybe a scene of Katz heading to the ballet?

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Like to see more openness with the behind-the-scenes show than last time we had Oil Change.



Mwa ha ha ha ha ha ha...

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If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego

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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.

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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.

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nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 19:06

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.


That's what I mean, none these "insider behind the scenes" age well for the franchise .. inevitably leads to some form of embarrassment.. looks even dumber when you're the one responsible for putting it together !

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 20:52

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 19:06

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.


That's what I mean, none these "insider behind the scenes" age well for the franchise .. inevitably leads to some form of embarrassment.. looks even dumber when you're the one responsible for putting it together !



Does it have to lead to embarrassment? They were definitely handicapped by having maybe the most embarrassing management team in the entire NHL that was very noticeably making dumb decisions with poorly thought out reasons in the first Oil Change.

Would a 6 year running series of Joe Sakic be too embarrassing looking back now? Or the last decade of Tampa Bay? Is there an argument that those teams would have failed because they were being recorded? Joe Sakic and Yzerman/BriseBois start getting shaky and make bad decisions with the pressure of the camera. I dunno.

All management teams make mistakes, but what they did in the moment can still make a lot of sense and be totally reasonable, even if it didn't work out. Stupid decisions, even ones that work out just my fluke... I dunno, I think it's actually good for that stuff to be out there. The shame SHOULD encourage change to eventually get competent management. Team isn't gonna win without it. If the team feels no shame, then we're doomed regardless. At least we got some entertainment and we also get to fully understand why we fail, which can be comforting for some :)

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 21:24

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 20:52

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 19:06

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.


That's what I mean, none these "insider behind the scenes" age well for the franchise .. inevitably leads to some form of embarrassment.. looks even dumber when you're the one responsible for putting it together !



Does it have to lead to embarrassment? They were definitely handicapped by having maybe the most embarrassing management team in the entire NHL that was very noticeably making dumb decisions with poorly thought out reasons in the first Oil Change.

Would a 6 year running series of Joe Sakic be too embarrassing looking back now? Or the last decade of Tampa Bay? Is there an argument that those teams would have failed because they were being recorded? Joe Sakic and Yzerman/BriseBois start getting shaky and make bad decisions with the pressure of the camera. I dunno.

All management teams make mistakes, but what they did in the moment can still make a lot of sense and be totally reasonable, even if it didn't work out. Stupid decisions, even ones that work out just my fluke... I dunno, I think it's actually good for that stuff to be out there. The shame SHOULD encourage change to eventually get competent management. Team isn't gonna win without it. If the team feels no shame, then we're doomed regardless. At least we got some entertainment and we also get to fully understand why we fail, which can be comforting for some :)


I have basically stopped hoping for the team to learn from its mistakes. It's been too long, and they are just too stubborn. It's all just hubris and ego and spite, so they do it again and again.

I'm just cheering for pure dumb luck to work out for us now, like how laziness got us Woodcroft as coach, and nepotism may have got us a decent analytics-friendly mind at AGM in Brad Holland. Now if sheer stupidity can somehow pay dividends, we're laughing.

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Adam wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 23:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 21:24

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 20:52

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 19:06

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.


That's what I mean, none these "insider behind the scenes" age well for the franchise .. inevitably leads to some form of embarrassment.. looks even dumber when you're the one responsible for putting it together !



Does it have to lead to embarrassment? They were definitely handicapped by having maybe the most embarrassing management team in the entire NHL that was very noticeably making dumb decisions with poorly thought out reasons in the first Oil Change.

Would a 6 year running series of Joe Sakic be too embarrassing looking back now? Or the last decade of Tampa Bay? Is there an argument that those teams would have failed because they were being recorded? Joe Sakic and Yzerman/BriseBois start getting shaky and make bad decisions with the pressure of the camera. I dunno.

All management teams make mistakes, but what they did in the moment can still make a lot of sense and be totally reasonable, even if it didn't work out. Stupid decisions, even ones that work out just my fluke... I dunno, I think it's actually good for that stuff to be out there. The shame SHOULD encourage change to eventually get competent management. Team isn't gonna win without it. If the team feels no shame, then we're doomed regardless. At least we got some entertainment and we also get to fully understand why we fail, which can be comforting for some :)


I have basically stopped hoping for the team to learn from its mistakes. It's been too long, and they are just too stubborn. It's all just hubris and ego and spite, so they do it again and again.

I'm just cheering for pure dumb luck to work out for us now, like how laziness got us Woodcroft as coach, and nepotism may have got us a decent analytics-friendly mind at AGM in Brad Holland. Now if sheer stupidity can somehow pay dividends, we're laughing.


So you’re saying even a broken clock is right twice a day?

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Adam wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 23:02

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 21:24

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 20:52

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 19:06

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 18:02

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 16:25

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 17:09

nullterm wrote on Thu, 18 August 2022 13:14

If this was a 3rd party filming a Oilers vs Flames/Canucks rivalry, all for! Like the HBO NHL series.

But an Oilers only, funded by the Oilers.... too much PR propaganda cringe at this point.


I don't understand why a sports franchise would do this.. what's the benefit?
It seems more like all the potential end result would be on the downside.


Because the team's parent company also owns the production company, so whatever money Sportsnet (or whichever network is buying it) is paying them, they are making even more money. They probably also think the publicity is good.

EDIT: and ego, lots and lots of ego


Hardly worth the risk for a few pesos.


Execs don’t worry about possible embarrassment as long as they think it will boost their reputation in the short term.

Oil Change 1 was great viewing at the time, but in hindsight it’s completely cringe knowing where it eventually heads into yet another rebuild and Nuge as the lone survivor.


That's what I mean, none these "insider behind the scenes" age well for the franchise .. inevitably leads to some form of embarrassment.. looks even dumber when you're the one responsible for putting it together !



Does it have to lead to embarrassment? They were definitely handicapped by having maybe the most embarrassing management team in the entire NHL that was very noticeably making dumb decisions with poorly thought out reasons in the first Oil Change.

Would a 6 year running series of Joe Sakic be too embarrassing looking back now? Or the last decade of Tampa Bay? Is there an argument that those teams would have failed because they were being recorded? Joe Sakic and Yzerman/BriseBois start getting shaky and make bad decisions with the pressure of the camera. I dunno.

All management teams make mistakes, but what they did in the moment can still make a lot of sense and be totally reasonable, even if it didn't work out. Stupid decisions, even ones that work out just my fluke... I dunno, I think it's actually good for that stuff to be out there. The shame SHOULD encourage change to eventually get competent management. Team isn't gonna win without it. If the team feels no shame, then we're doomed regardless. At least we got some entertainment and we also get to fully understand why we fail, which can be comforting for some :)


I have basically stopped hoping for the team to learn from its mistakes. It's been too long, and they are just too stubborn. It's all just hubris and ego and spite, so they do it again and again.

I'm just cheering for pure dumb luck to work out for us now, like how laziness got us Woodcroft as coach, and nepotism may have got us a decent analytics-friendly mind at AGM in Brad Holland. Now if sheer stupidity can somehow pay dividends, we're laughing.


Really enjoying all the love Brad Holland is getting while we have no idea what he's doing/has done. I think it's 95% because of his interview where he said he is aware of how good analytics look for Pulju's defensive contributions.

Personally I'm fully on board with anointing him the savior of this franchise. Top reason why Oil Change 2.0 needs to happen for me as well.

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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 15 August 2022 11:44

Per official Oilers twitter:

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What if we told you we were doing another all-access, Oil Change-type show...


https://twitter.com/EdmontonOilers/status/155922406187965644 9?s=20&t=93fFaOoFneL7unXJVpwEjw


If you can't pass you can't play, and the Oil change people can't pass. (I wanted a better way to say no than simply no, so sue me!!)

The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.

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