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 Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809600 is a reply to message #809598 ]
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Oscargasm wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 14:19

Burgeoboy wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:35

Adam wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 12:52

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 18:28

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 11:08

This is really dragging out. I am guessing the longer we wait the more likely they are not retiring.

Prediction: Smith starts and ends the year, and his career on LTIR. Duncan Keith gets eaten alive on the rush, finishes the season as 6/7 guy who gets unfairly bumped up to a top pairing when injuries hit, finishes the season and signs a 1 day contract with the 23/24 Hawks to retire.

Does Odie have news or updates?


Belief is that Smith closer to hanging them up than Keith. Nothing definitive yet, but belief Smith will retire. There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’.

Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.

JP, Kass(latter has been asked if he would be okay with going back to Buffalo) likely traded prior to draft. Barrie talks have occurred, but they feel they can keep him. McLeod contract should be finalized shortly. Yamo will be qualified.

Kulak has offer from Oilers, regardless of Barrie trade and other moves. Comfortable with Broberg as 7D should Keith return.


If the Oilers offer Keith a job AFTER he's done his current deal, then they're doing it wrong. The only reason you offer him a job is because it gets him off the ice. If he actually just finishes his contract, then what do you need him for that you can't get someone better for? Other than maybe teaching players his mystical shaman way of beating infectious diseases.


"There have been discussions about a role for Keith in hockey ops after the coming season, to give him a ‘year off’ (if he retires this summer) and then work for the org in some capacity as a ‘thanks for your contributions’."

The job is for after next year, but it's based on him retiring this year and taking a year off unless I am missing something? I have zero issues with that.


Yeah that’s the intention. Take some time with his son and then if he wants to be in hockey there’s a role for him here


Anything where he doesn't play next year is great. Especially if he formally retires.



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 Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809601 is a reply to message #809600 ]
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So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.


I have definitely turned anti-Gregor these last few months. Dude is contradictory and stubborn. Stated Yamo and JP don’t deserve 3M AAV coming off half a point per season, then today says Crouse deserves 3+M on his next deal based on scoring 20 and being a half a point per game for the season.

Does Arizona still have Hossa on their books? He seems like a player Holland would overpay for.



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 Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809611 is a reply to message #809601 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.

Keith has a NMC. So if he still wants to play, to get him to agree to move to be bought out, you'd have to offer him something to waive his no move. His cap hit is 5.5 but his actual money is only 1.5 mill. The Yotes are on record as saying they are willing to take contracts for the cap hit but prefer contracts that pay less. So if they were to take on Keith and buy him out, they would have to pay him 1 mill over 2 years, so 500K a year in real money but get a nice 4.5 mill cap hit this year to help get them to the floor. Then the Oilers resign Keith, a place he wants to play, for around 1 mill which is barely above league minimum to make him more than whole money wise.

So for the Oilers, you get 4.5 mill in cap space which is huge. They get a dman who if needed can easily play in your top 6 and give you decent minutes. There are all kinds of advanced numbers that says he had a decent year, he can help mentor your young dmen like a Broberg and Bouchard and help teach them how to be a good dman without being a bruiser. Keith can play. He helps the Oilers get better with his extra cap space and he doesn't lose money for it. The Yotes pay 500K to get 4.5 mill in cap space to meet the floor and some mediocre asset.

I wish this site was more like I felt it used to be, a place to have real discussions about the team vs what it's turned into now, a giant complaint fest here about the team. You can look in almost every single thread involving sports and find a giant message train about why this player sucks, this player makes too much money so he sucks, the coach sucks, scouts suck, management sucks, the media sucks, the owner sucks. Let's talk about a bad trade from 10 yrs ago and why it still sucks. Let's talk about why this free agent who they haven't signed yet, don't know if they even will but he sucks and the contract will probably suck.



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 Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809614 is a reply to message #809611 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 08:20


I wish this site was more like I felt it used to be, a place to have real discussions about the team vs what it's turned into now, a giant complaint fest here about the team. You can look in almost every single thread involving sports and find a giant message train about why this player sucks, this player makes too much money so he sucks, the coach sucks, scouts suck, management sucks, the media sucks, the owner sucks. Let's talk about a bad trade from 10 yrs ago and why it still sucks. Let's talk about why this free agent who they haven't signed yet, don't know if they even will but he sucks and the contract will probably suck.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 20 May 2022 12:46

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 20 May 2022 12:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 20 May 2022 12:16

The Oilers badly need another player other than McD or Leon to step up. The 2006 run it was Pisani. He was a solid 3rd line player who exploded in 2006. I don't want to be accused of hating but man it would be nice to see a guy like NUge elevate his game. Hasn't happened yet in his 11 yr career.


Nuge is Nuge.



SO basically you are saying just accept the fact you aren't going to get much out of him.


RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 17 March 2022 10:20


Benson has been on the roster for the whole season taking up a spot, counting against the cap so no one can blame the GM for not calling him up. The coach who he started his pro career with and has developed him the whole time has been on the bench for the last month. So if there is anyone who would know what Benson can do and what he brings to the roster, it would be Woodcroft. He gave him some games but has decided it's best to not play him as they try to win games. I don't know how much more damning it can get for a player when the guy that has coached you for 4 years thinks it better not to play you.



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Mike wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 12:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 24 March 2022 15:09

Good thing the Oilers didn't trade for Korpisalo, he needs hip surgery and takes 6 months to heal.


Also good that they didn't trade for him because he sucks.

He sure does but lots of arm chair GM's brought his name up lots.



RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 11 March 2022 15:09

Oilers assign Sceviour and Skinner. Sceviour, no problem. Skinner which means they are giving Smith another chance. How many more freaking chances do you want to give Smith. Stupid.

Smith can's complain about a lack of opportunity.



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The Edmonton fan base on most days is generally toxic to some/most/all people associated with the team and there is a portion of the fan base that are generally toxic no matter what happens. If they lose, it's easy to pick everyone apart. If they win, they poke holes in the team or the organization. If they can't find holes in the team or organization, they single out a player.



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Just my opinion but I believe to be an effective NHLer, you have to do something and have some kind of dimension. If you are supposed to score, you score. If you are supposed to hit, you hit, For a dman, if your dimension is to skate well and move the puck, you need to do that. If you are a defensive dman, you better defend well. Just going out there and existing isn't enough in my opinion.

I look at Lagesson and I can't figure out what his dimension is or what he does well. He doesn't score points, he's not a puck mover, his skating is just meh at best, he's not physical, he's not tough, he's not hard to play against and his defending is mediocre at best. Now I know you don't value hitting or being tough or hard to play against but I assume things like defending, skating well, moving the puck and scoring points are all things that you think a dman should have some of. I know I am typically always wrong and you are always right but if none of what I listed are skills a dman is supposed to have, then please educate me as to what a dman is supposed to do when he is on the ice.

So when I look at Lagesson and he seems to do NONE of what I listed on a consistent basis overly well, to me he looks like a guy who's just there. So I don't see a player who the Oilers are in danger of losing because I think every team has a Lagesson or multiple Lagesson's in their organization and in my opinion, keeping a guy who really doesn't do anything overly well other than exist seems like a waste of a roster spot. When I look at a player and what their "value" might be, I flip the scenario around and ask "if Lagesson was available, would I want the Oilers to give up any kind of asset to get him?" The answer for me at least is no. Would I be happy they got him off waivers? The answer would be no because I would see him as blocking someone else who could be better.

To your comment about Tippett not telling him he was out and it being this terrible thing. Now I know you don't value the information from Ex players at all because you know more than guys that actually played in the NHL but according to Strudwick who was a 6/7 dman for his whole career, he was often told by the defense coach, not the head coach if he was playing. According to reports, Lagesson was told by Playfair. Take it for what it's worth but he wasn't just left twisting in the wind with no information. What Walsh said was another twisting of the truth to make it sound more horrible than it was.



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Yakupov is trending upward? Are there 2 Yakupov's in the NHL because from what I have seen, he looks pretty much the same.

I don't really pay much attention to what Matt Henderson has to say especially when it comes to Yakupov. Henderson must be Yak's cousin because I have never seen a guy so blindly in love with a player that has produced so little. In 220 games, Yak has 46 goals and 102 pts. I get that it was a weaker draft but at the time he was the consensus #1 pick who's calling card is offense. He's not even a 0.50 pts per game player. Blame all coaches you want, for a guy who was drafted that high and who's only skill set is offense, that is horrible. I'm not trying to piss on the guy because I was a big time Yak guy. I wanted the Oilers to draft him and I thought he was going to be a good trigger man. I am just at the point now where I am fed up with waiting for him to even come close to being a mediocre player. I was actually excited for him this season. He signed a new "show me deal", they got rid of the coach he hated, a new experienced coach coming in. Given his struggles, I figured teams would forget about him so I thought he would have a break out year. He's got 4 freaking goals and 14 points in 28 games? When he played with McDavid, I saw McDavid set him up time after time and the guy couldn't even hit the freaking net. As soon as McDavid went down, he did nothing until he got hurt. He skates around a million miles an hour and doesn't seem to do much. He's a shooter that barely averages just over 2 shots a game. I don't get the guy. Guys with his supposed skill set, draft pedigree and where he was drafted shouldn't be the extreme complimentary guy that he clearly is. Guys drafted in his position, are supposed to be drivers, they are supposed to make guys around you better. He looks like a guy that needs to play with the absolute elite of the elite in the league for him to even have a chance of producing at a mediocre second liner pace. He to me is my biggest disappointment on the Oilers with Schultz an extremely close second. I had such high hopes for Yak but I am over the guy. The Oilers would be better served to trade him for a decent 3rd line winger with some size if possible. He produces at that level but his skill set isn't suited to play 3rd line. I just don't seem him turning into a top 6 guy on the Oilers for whatever reason. So it's time to move on unfortunately.

Just to back up my point about Henderson being blinded by Yak love. After the Oilers game, Henderson tweeted that Yak had a 60% CF rating. Firstly, McLellan had Yak playing 3rd/ 4th line because he was so lousy the game before. So he's playing against 3rd pairing Dmen and true 4th liners so he better have better possession numbers. Then I had a look at Yak's stats for the game. -1, no points, no shots, no hits. So he had a 60% CF rating. Who gives a crap, he produced NOTHING to help his team.


Man, it's just a challenge when someone always is saying so-and-so sucks, the fans suck, Oilfans sucks, etc...If only this place was like it was in the olden days...



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 Re: Both Smith and Keith considering retirement [message #809615 is a reply to message #809611 ]
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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 08:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.

Keith has a NMC. So if he still wants to play, to get him to agree to move to be bought out, you'd have to offer him something to waive his no move. His cap hit is 5.5 but his actual money is only 1.5 mill. The Yotes are on record as saying they are willing to take contracts for the cap hit but prefer contracts that pay less. So if they were to take on Keith and buy him out, they would have to pay him 1 mill over 2 years, so 500K a year in real money but get a nice 4.5 mill cap hit this year to help get them to the floor. Then the Oilers resign Keith, a place he wants to play, for around 1 mill which is barely above league minimum to make him more than whole money wise.

So for the Oilers, you get 4.5 mill in cap space which is huge. They get a dman who if needed can easily play in your top 6 and give you decent minutes. There are all kinds of advanced numbers that says he had a decent year, he can help mentor your young dmen like a Broberg and Bouchard and help teach them how to be a good dman without being a bruiser. Keith can play. He helps the Oilers get better with his extra cap space and he doesn't lose money for it. The Yotes pay 500K to get 4.5 mill in cap space to meet the floor and some mediocre asset.

I wish this site was more like I felt it used to be, a place to have real discussions about the team vs what it's turned into now, a giant complaint fest here about the team. You can look in almost every single thread involving sports and find a giant message train about why this player sucks, this player makes too much money so he sucks, the coach sucks, scouts suck, management sucks, the media sucks, the owner sucks. Let's talk about a bad trade from 10 yrs ago and why it still sucks. Let's talk about why this free agent who they haven't signed yet, don't know if they even will but he sucks and the contract will probably suck.


Pretty sure the NHL disliked this loophole being used before, so us trying to do it would be the perfect chance for them to say no. Still, bit lame we have to work so hard to get rid of some of Keith's cap hit after a team was so excited to take him for the full 5.5M like he was worth every penny. Why didn't Chicago have to do anything when Keith was using his NMC except get assets in return when everyone knew they were desperate for space to get Jones? Just one of life's mysteries I suppose.

Complaining about a team with bottom 5 management over the last decade and a half that has been squandering the career of a generational player is expected, no? Holland has to prove ppl wrong this summer, that's how the complaining starts to temper down. Holes, one large one in particular, he chose to ignore last summer bit us hard in the end.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 09:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 08:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.

Keith has a NMC. So if he still wants to play, to get him to agree to move to be bought out, you'd have to offer him something to waive his no move. His cap hit is 5.5 but his actual money is only 1.5 mill. The Yotes are on record as saying they are willing to take contracts for the cap hit but prefer contracts that pay less. So if they were to take on Keith and buy him out, they would have to pay him 1 mill over 2 years, so 500K a year in real money but get a nice 4.5 mill cap hit this year to help get them to the floor. Then the Oilers resign Keith, a place he wants to play, for around 1 mill which is barely above league minimum to make him more than whole money wise.

So for the Oilers, you get 4.5 mill in cap space which is huge. They get a dman who if needed can easily play in your top 6 and give you decent minutes. There are all kinds of advanced numbers that says he had a decent year, he can help mentor your young dmen like a Broberg and Bouchard and help teach them how to be a good dman without being a bruiser. Keith can play. He helps the Oilers get better with his extra cap space and he doesn't lose money for it. The Yotes pay 500K to get 4.5 mill in cap space to meet the floor and some mediocre asset.

I wish this site was more like I felt it used to be, a place to have real discussions about the team vs what it's turned into now, a giant complaint fest here about the team. You can look in almost every single thread involving sports and find a giant message train about why this player sucks, this player makes too much money so he sucks, the coach sucks, scouts suck, management sucks, the media sucks, the owner sucks. Let's talk about a bad trade from 10 yrs ago and why it still sucks. Let's talk about why this free agent who they haven't signed yet, don't know if they even will but he sucks and the contract will probably suck.


Pretty sure the NHL disliked this loophole being used before, so us trying to do it would be the perfect chance for them to say no. Still, bit lame we have to work so hard to get rid of some of Keith's cap hit after a team was so excited to take him for the full 5.5M like he was worth every penny. Why didn't Chicago have to do anything when Keith was using his NMC except get assets in return when everyone knew they were desperate for space to get Jones? Just one of life's mysteries I suppose.

Complaining about a team with bottom 5 management over the last decade and a half that has been squandering the career of a generational player is expected, no? Holland has to prove ppl wrong this summer, that's how the complaining starts to temper down. Holes, one large one in particular, he chose to ignore last summer bit us hard in the end.

Gregor listed off multiple instances when other teams did the same thing. Flames did it with Stone not long ago.

I am not saying everyone needs to be sunshine and roses about the team. I myself have made complaints but pretty much EVERY thread has to turn into a complaint fest about the same thing. There is a thread devoted to why Nurse is bad. Then you can go look in threads about offseason moves and there will be a rant about why Nurse is bad. Or the playoff thread that talks about all the other teams and there will be a rant about why Nurse is bad. I just cherry picked Nurse but there are other ones that just about every conversation gets morphed into.

I would bet money that if the Oilers signed all of McLeod, Yamo and JP to long term, dirty cheap contracts and there was a thread started about it. In about 10 post, there would be a message chain about the Lucic contract or insert whatever bad thing that happened in the last 12 yrs.



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you mean the 2010 draft where we selected Taylor Hall only to trade him for the wrong Larsson?
OOh wait. the same management clowns were in place then, so really it's not 'constant complaining' it's the same complaint that continually comes up because we are the worst run pro-sports organization in the world.
I fully believe the only reason we're still not in the decade(s) of darkness is because we got lucky and picked Connor.
Do you think the people in charge of this ship could have 'managed' their way out of the hole we were in?

if you reference our trade list from that year

Oilers traded or lost - Steve Staios, Lubo Visnovsky, Denis Grebeshkov, Dwayne Roloson, Dany Saborin, Ales Kotalik, Mathieu Roy, Brodziak, Tim Sestito, ROb SChremp, Steve MacIntyre, Cody Wild

Oilers traded for or signed - Kahbibulin, Chris Minard, Deane Arsene. Mike Comrie, Matt Marquardt, Ryan Whitney, Ryan Jones, Aaron johnson, Colin Fraser

Safe to say... They downgraded based on this list.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 09:59

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 09:23

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 08:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.

Keith has a NMC. So if he still wants to play, to get him to agree to move to be bought out, you'd have to offer him something to waive his no move. His cap hit is 5.5 but his actual money is only 1.5 mill. The Yotes are on record as saying they are willing to take contracts for the cap hit but prefer contracts that pay less. So if they were to take on Keith and buy him out, they would have to pay him 1 mill over 2 years, so 500K a year in real money but get a nice 4.5 mill cap hit this year to help get them to the floor. Then the Oilers resign Keith, a place he wants to play, for around 1 mill which is barely above league minimum to make him more than whole money wise.

So for the Oilers, you get 4.5 mill in cap space which is huge. They get a dman who if needed can easily play in your top 6 and give you decent minutes. There are all kinds of advanced numbers that says he had a decent year, he can help mentor your young dmen like a Broberg and Bouchard and help teach them how to be a good dman without being a bruiser. Keith can play. He helps the Oilers get better with his extra cap space and he doesn't lose money for it. The Yotes pay 500K to get 4.5 mill in cap space to meet the floor and some mediocre asset.

I wish this site was more like I felt it used to be, a place to have real discussions about the team vs what it's turned into now, a giant complaint fest here about the team. You can look in almost every single thread involving sports and find a giant message train about why this player sucks, this player makes too much money so he sucks, the coach sucks, scouts suck, management sucks, the media sucks, the owner sucks. Let's talk about a bad trade from 10 yrs ago and why it still sucks. Let's talk about why this free agent who they haven't signed yet, don't know if they even will but he sucks and the contract will probably suck.


Pretty sure the NHL disliked this loophole being used before, so us trying to do it would be the perfect chance for them to say no. Still, bit lame we have to work so hard to get rid of some of Keith's cap hit after a team was so excited to take him for the full 5.5M like he was worth every penny. Why didn't Chicago have to do anything when Keith was using his NMC except get assets in return when everyone knew they were desperate for space to get Jones? Just one of life's mysteries I suppose.

Complaining about a team with bottom 5 management over the last decade and a half that has been squandering the career of a generational player is expected, no? Holland has to prove ppl wrong this summer, that's how the complaining starts to temper down. Holes, one large one in particular, he chose to ignore last summer bit us hard in the end.

Gregor listed off multiple instances when other teams did the same thing. Flames did it with Stone not long ago.

I am not saying everyone needs to be sunshine and roses about the team. I myself have made complaints but pretty much EVERY thread has to turn into a complaint fest about the same thing. There is a thread devoted to why Nurse is bad. Then you can go look in threads about offseason moves and there will be a rant about why Nurse is bad. Or the playoff thread that talks about all the other teams and there will be a rant about why Nurse is bad. I just cherry picked Nurse but there are other ones that just about every conversation gets morphed into.

I would bet money that if the Oilers signed all of McLeod, Yamo and JP to long term, dirty cheap contracts and there was a thread started about it. In about 10 post, there would be a message chain about the Lucic contract or insert whatever bad thing that happened in the last 12 yrs.


Don't put anything past this league. As soon as people started talking about the CBA rules showing the Oilers would get a cap credit if Keith retired the NHL was happy to announce that the rules don't apply and they want that cap space to just vanish into thin air instead of the Oilers getting it.

I think they were not pleased with the Orpik move where he was traded/bought out and the cap signed him again. The Stone one surprised ppl, but it was not totally premeditated, the Flames just found out they failed to fill their D group and signed him again late in the summer to fill their roster. If the Oilers leak the idea that they will attempt a trade/buyout/sign move, I wouldn't be surprised if the NHL announced such a move will be considered cap circumvention here on out.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 28 June 2022 17:21

So now on the radio Gregor and Rishaug are talking about how we have to give away picks to get another team to buy Keith out and then maybe he can sign back with us cheaper.

What team would be crazy enough to buy out a legend like Keith that has so much to offer a team? Why would any team have to be given assets to bring Keith at 5.5M on their team??? I don't understand!!!

We would probably give Chicago a 1st round pick for Keith at 5.5M if he had the season he just had with us before we traded for him.


Full-on nuts to think that if somehow you're lucky enough to get someone to take Keith off your hands, whether to keep him or buy him out, that you would then turn around and pay good money to take him back. That would be a horrible decision.

If you get lucky enough to be rid of him, you never, ever make any effort to get him back.

I also only would offer him post-career employment as an incentive to quit. I don't think he adds anything in an off-ice capacity that someone else can't offer that's better.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 17:28

... Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real.



.. In the last few of Lawton's weekly radio spots on CHED.. Stauffer kept hinting Lawton was on the verge of getting a management job somewhere.. kept asking him jokingly if he'd be available the following week to do the show.. I just assumed he was in line for a GM job somewhere.. never imagined there could be an Oilers connection.

I''ll have to scroll back through his past interviews and get a better bead on his GM/Hockey philosophies.. I know he's into utilizing modern analytics.... and believes franchises are built from the defense out .. For what its worth, Stauffer asked him once if he ever intervened as GM on a draft selection, he said he did once.. as TB GM he insisted on making Hedman TB's selection in 2009 (#2 overall).. I guess the choice was between Hedman and Duchene. Good decision.




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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 17:28

..Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.


Today Stauffer brought up his recent references regarding B. Lawton joining an NHL team management group.. with B. Lawton today.. Stauffer asked him if he had been in talks with the Oilers.. Lawton said not for the last 3 months, but had previous to that.. he said he has been in talks with several NHL franchises.. he said he will be leaving NHL Network next year to work with an NHL team.

Lawton stated he is looking to work for a team that is progressive and "aren't afraid to be curious about better ways to do things"..

If what he said is true about not talking to the Oil for the last 3 months.. a deal with the Oilers may not be a sure thing.

If he did come he might be the guy they need to lead an up to date analytics and pro scouting group.. maybe assistant GM?

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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 15:39

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 17:28

..Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.


Today Stauffer brought up his recent references regarding B. Lawton joining an NHL team management group.. with B. Lawton today.. Stauffer asked him if he had been in talks with the Oilers.. Lawton said not for the last 3 months, but had previous to that.. he said he has been in talks with several NHL franchises.. he said he will be leaving NHL Network next year to work with an NHL team.

Lawton stated he is looking to work for a team that is progressive and "aren't afraid to be curious about better ways to do things"..

If what he said is true about not talking to the Oil for the last 3 months.. a deal with the Oilers may not be a sure thing.

If he did come he might be the guy they need to lead an up to date analytics and pro scouting group.. maybe assistant GM?


Would Keith Gretzky move up in to his brother's abandoned vice-chair role???



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Adam wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 15:58

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 29 June 2022 15:39

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 27 June 2022 17:28

..Talk about Lawton joining Oilers is real. Nothing done.


Today Stauffer brought up his recent references regarding B. Lawton joining an NHL team management group.. with B. Lawton today.. Stauffer asked him if he had been in talks with the Oilers.. Lawton said not for the last 3 months, but had previous to that.. he said he has been in talks with several NHL franchises.. he said he will be leaving NHL Network next year to work with an NHL team.

Lawton stated he is looking to work for a team that is progressive and "aren't afraid to be curious about better ways to do things"..

If what he said is true about not talking to the Oil for the last 3 months.. a deal with the Oilers may not be a sure thing.

If he did come he might be the guy they need to lead an up to date analytics and pro scouting group.. maybe assistant GM?


Would Keith Gretzky move up in to his brother's abandoned vice-chair role???


To me K. Gretzky is way more valuable managing and developing the prospects in Bakersfield.. although Keith likely has his sights set higher.. I'd hope the franchise sees where he is of most value, but hard to keep a guy down in the AHL forever. I'd pay him a lot to stay.

Prospects are the life line for ELC talent.. drafting players is just the initial step to being a pro.. its the level of development after that is the biggest factor.. prospect development stagnating at the AHL level will kill a franchise.. I think a lot more could be done by a team in taking raw draftees and putting them into more highly focused training programs.. skating being numero uno.. in fact I'd say its everything.





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I can think of one common denominator in Oilfans toxicity and I truly enjoy the entertainment value it adds to the site.

When someone feels like everyone who has an opposing opinion is attacking them, and they have no sympathizers, I believe their might be some lack of introspection on the posters' part.

Although I love self-lamenting. Never change. It adds to the community and the conflicting opinion makes for great discussion fodder.



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Darren Dreger saying that most likely scenario is Smith goes to LTIR for the final year of his contract. League needs to call out this fake injury BS at some point.


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Darren Dreger saying that most likely scenario is Smith goes to LTIR for the final year of his contract. League needs to call out this fake injury BS at some point.


But hopefully not until after next year.. 🤞🏻


.. but more likely once Oilers attempt it.. the cue for Daly to announce the league is taking away a 2nd round draft pick as a penalty for such indiscretions.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 17:18

NetBOG wrote on Thu, 30 June 2022 15:26

Darren Dreger saying that most likely scenario is Smith goes to LTIR for the final year of his contract. League needs to call out this fake injury BS at some point.


But hopefully not until after next year.. 🤞🏻


.. but more likely once Oilers attempt it.. the cue for Daly to announce the league is taking away a 2nd round draft pick as a penalty for such indiscretions.


As soon as I read it I knew the NHL is totally going to bust the Oilers for blatant abuse of the LTIR rule. Other teams have done so before, but the league has a tendency of closing loopholes when the Oilers find them.



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Happy Canada Day!

FWIW: sounds as though if Keith remains, Barrie trade will occur. Keith retires, Barrie stays. Whichever happens, that money will be ‘goalie money’ while the LTIR from Klefbom and potential Smith open the door for Kane to resign. Oilers view seemingly impending Pulju trade as a way to offload Kassian, ‘you want JP, you need to take Kassian’ while media and public spin it as JP is the add in to take Kass. Wholly possible JP is dealt without Kassian involved however, pending return. They don’t want ‘just a pick’, talks have revolved around a player return.

Oilers belief is that Husso will cost more than Campbell and rank them as such internally however, there have been discussions with NJ around Blackwood (JP the other way but not one for one).

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Happy Canada Day!

FWIW: sounds as though if Keith remains, Barrie trade will occur. Keith retires, Barrie stays. Whichever happens, that money will be ‘goalie money’ while the LTIR from Klefbom and potential Smith open the door for Kane to resign. Oilers view seemingly impending Pulju trade as a way to offload Kassian, ‘you want JP, you need to take Kassian’ while media and public spin it as JP is the add in to take Kass. Wholly possible JP is dealt without Kassian involved however, pending return. They don’t want ‘just a pick’, talks have revolved around a player return.

Oilers belief is that Husso will cost more than Campbell and rank them as such internally however, there have been discussions with NJ around Blackwood (JP the other way but not one for one).

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For what it is worth, I just read a spec article on sportsnet saying Arizona, Carolina, San Jose, Ottawa, and New Jersey are the potential landing spots for Jesse


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Happy Canada Day!

FWIW: sounds as though if Keith remains, Barrie trade will occur. Keith retires, Barrie stays. Whichever happens, that money will be ‘goalie money’ while the LTIR from Klefbom and potential Smith open the door for Kane to resign. Oilers view seemingly impending Pulju trade as a way to offload Kassian, ‘you want JP, you need to take Kassian’ while media and public spin it as JP is the add in to take Kass. Wholly possible JP is dealt without Kassian involved however, pending return. They don’t want ‘just a pick’, talks have revolved around a player return.

Oilers belief is that Husso will cost more than Campbell and rank them as such internally however, there have been discussions with NJ around Blackwood (JP the other way but not one for one).

Enjoy the day! We’ll see the Dreger and Lebruns of the world break Oilers news shortly.


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Any clue on the teams involved in it oscar


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Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.



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This bull crud talk about just a puck coming in return better not be right. This team needs a warm, contributing NHL body in return.


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Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

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Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

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Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.


Holland blowing up Spector today. Says there's no truth to the rumour that Puljujarvi requested a trade. I can't think he'd be smart enough to lie about something like that, so Spector just running with nonsense these days out of spite.

We'll see what happens. A deal of a real NHL player who's still relatively inexpensive for a pick at this point? That would be inexcusably bad.

If the Oilers WERE trying to trade Puljujarvi, they're pulling out all the usual stops - sewering him continually in the media in hopes of lessening the fan backlash, even if it undoubtedly hurts their ability to get top value for him in a trade.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 22:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

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Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.


Holland blowing up Spector today. Says there's no truth to the rumour that Puljujarvi requested a trade. I can't think he'd be smart enough to lie about something like that, so Spector just running with nonsense these days out of spite.

We'll see what happens. A deal of a real NHL player who's still relatively inexpensive for a pick at this point? That would be inexcusably bad.

If the Oilers WERE trying to trade Puljujarvi, they're pulling out all the usual stops - sewering him continually in the media in hopes of lessening the fan backlash, even if it undoubtedly hurts their ability to get top value for him in a trade.



There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

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There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

Don’t count out Kane returning.


Ugh, a goalie that failed in Leafland. Is that really the best option? I'd prefer they go to Florida and take Bob for 50% of his remaining contract.

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There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

Don’t count out Kane returning.


Ugh, a goalie that failed in Leafland. Is that really the best option? I'd prefer they go to Florida and take Bob for 50% of his remaining contract.


Who doesn't fail in Leafland though? Ceci and Hyman played the best hockey of their careers for us (even with a 2 month period there of full team depression with Tippett) after pain with the Leafs.



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Jack Campbell wouldn’t be a terrible option at the right price point. Much rather him over Husso. Kuemper looks unbelievable at times, but he rarely stays healthy.

Gibson costs too many assets and there has been very little smoke behind him coming to Edmonton.

Bring in Soupy for 3 years.

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inverno76 wrote on Sun, 03 July 2022 11:32

Jack Campbell wouldn’t be a terrible option at the right price point. Much rather him over Husso. Kuemper looks unbelievable at times, but he rarely stays healthy.

Gibson costs too many assets and there has been very little smoke behind him coming to Edmonton.

Bring in Soupy for 3 years.


Too lazy to check, but pretty sure Campbell is true to form (that of soup can) when it comes to the health category. Gets dented fairly easy.



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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2022 17:17

Adam wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 22:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

Any clue on the teams involved in it oscar


Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.


Holland blowing up Spector today. Says there's no truth to the rumour that Puljujarvi requested a trade. I can't think he'd be smart enough to lie about something like that, so Spector just running with nonsense these days out of spite.

We'll see what happens. A deal of a real NHL player who's still relatively inexpensive for a pick at this point? That would be inexcusably bad.

If the Oilers WERE trying to trade Puljujarvi, they're pulling out all the usual stops - sewering him continually in the media in hopes of lessening the fan backlash, even if it undoubtedly hurts their ability to get top value for him in a trade.



There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

Don’t count out Kane returning.

Disappointing to hear about Kane. Seems weird he is hanging out in Edmonton if he isn't returning. My wife's workmate as a kid on the Brick Hockey team playing in Edmonton on the weekend and he took pictures with the team a couple of days ago.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 08:11

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2022 17:17

Adam wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 22:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

Any clue on the teams involved in it oscar


Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.


Holland blowing up Spector today. Says there's no truth to the rumour that Puljujarvi requested a trade. I can't think he'd be smart enough to lie about something like that, so Spector just running with nonsense these days out of spite.

We'll see what happens. A deal of a real NHL player who's still relatively inexpensive for a pick at this point? That would be inexcusably bad.

If the Oilers WERE trying to trade Puljujarvi, they're pulling out all the usual stops - sewering him continually in the media in hopes of lessening the fan backlash, even if it undoubtedly hurts their ability to get top value for him in a trade.



There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

Don’t count out Kane returning.

Disappointing to hear about Kane. Seems weird he is hanging out in Edmonton if he isn't returning. My wife's workmate as a kid on the Brick Hockey team playing in Edmonton on the weekend and he took pictures with the team a couple of days ago.


I said don’t count out his return.

Word is he’s been doing preliminary house shopping.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 10:24

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 08:11

Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 02 July 2022 17:17

Adam wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 22:09

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:41

Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:17

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Fri, 01 July 2022 10:08

Any clue on the teams involved in it oscar


Some prelim talks with Ottawa re: Brown. More progressed talks with NJ and Blackwood. Odie also mentioned there had been discussions with Carolina and the Islanders.


Brown was McDAvid's old mentor. Could definitely see up targeting him. Solid player too.

Sigh, just hoping we get at least good middle-6 player to lessen the blow.


Holland blowing up Spector today. Says there's no truth to the rumour that Puljujarvi requested a trade. I can't think he'd be smart enough to lie about something like that, so Spector just running with nonsense these days out of spite.

We'll see what happens. A deal of a real NHL player who's still relatively inexpensive for a pick at this point? That would be inexcusably bad.

If the Oilers WERE trying to trade Puljujarvi, they're pulling out all the usual stops - sewering him continually in the media in hopes of lessening the fan backlash, even if it undoubtedly hurts their ability to get top value for him in a trade.



There’s a difference between ‘being okay’ with a move and requesting a move. But Spec in his unholy negativity is too nearsighted and close minded to understand the difference.

It comes down to contract. Oilers want to pay him like a middle six winger while player and agent (rightfully so) view him as a top 6 winger. It’s truly mind boggling. There’s a middle ground that CAN be reached, where you tell the player to spend the summer working on finishing. It’s not going to be a surprise to anyone here, I think anyway, when Puljujarvi scores 25-30 regardless of it being in Edmonton or elsewhere. The kid can play and the stats back up he makes his linemates better, even Connor flippin’ McDavid. But we all know this.


Some tidbits from the dog on the inside;
Smith done, but won’t forfeit the money. Oilers looking at ~7.1 of cap space along with LTIR(Klef and Smith) of ~6.3 for ~13.4 of “space”. Expect them to utilize as much as that LTIR space as possible.

Kulak has indicated he wants to remain. Offer has been extended and talks ongoing.

NYR wants insane package for Georgiev. Holland said no.

Campbell the number 1 option. They like Husso as well but believe they’d have to spend more for him, chat still ongoing with NJD and Blackwood.

Still trying to move Kassian. If no takers, he will be bought out, he’s played his last game as an Oiler. If bought out, will bump spending up to ~15.9.

Don’t count out Kane returning.

Disappointing to hear about Kane. Seems weird he is hanging out in Edmonton if he isn't returning. My wife's workmate as a kid on the Brick Hockey team playing in Edmonton on the weekend and he took pictures with the team a couple of days ago.


I said don’t count out his return.

Word is he’s been doing preliminary house shopping.

Well that's encouraging then. If he's looking for houses, that has to be it's hopefully going to happen. I am just wanting to see some news/rumors that he is coming back vs maybe. He was such a good fit and I feel brings things the team needs. The team has moved into their window and I would like to see them bringing in sure bets and pay them according to what they will do vs what they hope. I know that for the next 3-4 yrs Kane will skate well, be big, mean, physical and tough and will score at least 25 goals 50 pts because that's what he's done for 6 yrs in a row. He might get you more than that but his base is that which is very good.

I see cup winning teams do that. Guys want to play for their team so they sign deals based on what they currently do, not based on what might happen if this and that happens. They resign guys and don't overpay them based on what they do now and should continue to do vs what maybe happens according to some numbers if they improve this and play with this guy and this happens. The cup teams don't seem to do as many hopes and maybe's contracts where they hope that in a few years, he won't be an overpay.

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Well that's encouraging then. If he's looking for houses, that has to be it's hopefully going to happen. I am just wanting to see some news/rumors that he is coming back vs maybe. He was such a good fit and I feel brings things the team needs. The team has moved into their window and I would like to see them bringing in sure bets and pay them according to what they will do vs what they hope. I know that for the next 3-4 yrs Kane will skate well, be big, mean, physical and tough and will score at least 25 goals 50 pts because that's what he's done for 6 yrs in a row. He might get you more than that but his base is that which is very good.

I see cup winning teams do that. Guys want to play for their team so they sign deals based on what they currently do, not based on what might happen if this and that happens. They resign guys and don't overpay them based on what they do now and should continue to do vs what maybe happens according to some numbers if they improve this and play with this guy and this happens. The cup teams don't seem to do as many hopes and maybe's contracts where they hope that in a few years, he won't be an overpay.


Are you sure this post shouldn't be in the Puljujarvi thread icon_wink

The issue with Kane has always been price. He scored 22 goals in 43 games with the Oilers and another 13 in 15 playoff games. I doubt that he's looking to be paid like a 25 goals scorer. More likely that he's looking for something in the $7M+ range, and that puts the Oilers in a tough spot cap-wise.

Cup teams also need to have value contracts on their roster. Avalanche had a bunch (Kane would be the 2nd highest paid forward on that team next year if he signed for $7M).

If the Oilers sign Kane for that much, they would have 4 guys making $7M+ next year. Avalanche had 3 last year, and a bunch of guys (Toews, Nichuskin, MacKinnon, Kadri), providing massive value for what they were paid. Who are those guys on the Oilers? Leon Obviously. I think Hyman, but he's paid more than double what Nichuskin was. I would also say Bouchard, but he's no where near Toews' level yet.

I think, from a purely hockey perspective, it's fine to sign Kane, but I'd be pretty cautious about paying top dollar for him. I obviously don't know the guy personally, but there's clearly some baggage there. He seemed to fit in with the Oilers group, so that's great, but signing Kane also means that it's a lot harder to plug some of the other holes on the roster.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 10:02


Well that's encouraging then. If he's looking for houses, that has to be it's hopefully going to happen. I am just wanting to see some news/rumors that he is coming back vs maybe. He was such a good fit and I feel brings things the team needs. The team has moved into their window and I would like to see them bringing in sure bets and pay them according to what they will do vs what they hope. I know that for the next 3-4 yrs Kane will skate well, be big, mean, physical and tough and will score at least 25 goals 50 pts because that's what he's done for 6 yrs in a row. He might get you more than that but his base is that which is very good.

I see cup winning teams do that. Guys want to play for their team so they sign deals based on what they currently do, not based on what might happen if this and that happens. They resign guys and don't overpay them based on what they do now and should continue to do vs what maybe happens according to some numbers if they improve this and play with this guy and this happens. The cup teams don't seem to do as many hopes and maybe's contracts where they hope that in a few years, he won't be an overpay.


Are you sure this post shouldn't be in the Puljujarvi thread icon_wink

The issue with Kane has always been price. He scored 22 goals in 43 games with the Oilers and another 13 in 15 playoff games. I doubt that he's looking to be paid like a 25 goals scorer. More likely that he's looking for something in the $7M+ range, and that puts the Oilers in a tough spot cap-wise.

Cup teams also need to have value contracts on their roster. Avalanche had a bunch (Kane would be the 2nd highest paid forward on that team next year if he signed for $7M).

If the Oilers sign Kane for that much, they would have 4 guys making $7M+ next year. Avalanche had 3 last year, and a bunch of guys (Toews, Nichuskin, MacKinnon, Kadri), providing massive value for what they were paid. Who are those guys on the Oilers? Leon Obviously. I think Hyman, but he's paid more than double what Nichuskin was. I would also say Bouchard, but he's no where near Toews' level yet.

I think, from a purely hockey perspective, it's fine to sign Kane, but I'd be pretty cautious about paying top dollar for him. I obviously don't know the guy personally, but there's clearly some baggage there. He seemed to fit in with the Oilers group, so that's great, but signing Kane also means that it's a lot harder to plug some of the other holes on the roster.


That’s where you need guys to make the step. Broberg, Holloway aaaand why as a franchise you state you can’t pay Puljujarvi like a top 6 winger but rather a middle 6 winger … but you also have to stand firm in that stance with Yamo. Can’t go laying yamo an inflated AAV either.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 12:09

Goose wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 12:02

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 10:02


Well that's encouraging then. If he's looking for houses, that has to be it's hopefully going to happen. I am just wanting to see some news/rumors that he is coming back vs maybe. He was such a good fit and I feel brings things the team needs. The team has moved into their window and I would like to see them bringing in sure bets and pay them according to what they will do vs what they hope. I know that for the next 3-4 yrs Kane will skate well, be big, mean, physical and tough and will score at least 25 goals 50 pts because that's what he's done for 6 yrs in a row. He might get you more than that but his base is that which is very good.

I see cup winning teams do that. Guys want to play for their team so they sign deals based on what they currently do, not based on what might happen if this and that happens. They resign guys and don't overpay them based on what they do now and should continue to do vs what maybe happens according to some numbers if they improve this and play with this guy and this happens. The cup teams don't seem to do as many hopes and maybe's contracts where they hope that in a few years, he won't be an overpay.


Are you sure this post shouldn't be in the Puljujarvi thread icon_wink

The issue with Kane has always been price. He scored 22 goals in 43 games with the Oilers and another 13 in 15 playoff games. I doubt that he's looking to be paid like a 25 goals scorer. More likely that he's looking for something in the $7M+ range, and that puts the Oilers in a tough spot cap-wise.

Cup teams also need to have value contracts on their roster. Avalanche had a bunch (Kane would be the 2nd highest paid forward on that team next year if he signed for $7M).

If the Oilers sign Kane for that much, they would have 4 guys making $7M+ next year. Avalanche had 3 last year, and a bunch of guys (Toews, Nichuskin, MacKinnon, Kadri), providing massive value for what they were paid. Who are those guys on the Oilers? Leon Obviously. I think Hyman, but he's paid more than double what Nichuskin was. I would also say Bouchard, but he's no where near Toews' level yet.

I think, from a purely hockey perspective, it's fine to sign Kane, but I'd be pretty cautious about paying top dollar for him. I obviously don't know the guy personally, but there's clearly some baggage there. He seemed to fit in with the Oilers group, so that's great, but signing Kane also means that it's a lot harder to plug some of the other holes on the roster.


That’s where you need guys to make the step. Broberg, Holloway aaaand why as a franchise you state you can’t pay Puljujarvi like a top 6 winger but rather a middle 6 winger … but you also have to stand firm in that stance with Yamo. Can’t go laying yamo an inflated AAV either.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 04 July 2022 10:02


Well that's encouraging then. If he's looking for houses, that has to be it's hopefully going to happen. I am just wanting to see some news/rumors that he is coming back vs maybe. He was such a good fit and I feel brings things the team needs. The team has moved into their window and I would like to see them bringing in sure bets and pay them according to what they will do vs what they hope. I know that for the next 3-4 yrs Kane will skate well, be big, mean, physical and tough and will score at least 25 goals 50 pts because that's what he's done for 6 yrs in a row. He might get you more than that but his base is that which is very good.

I see cup winning teams do that. Guys want to play for their team so they sign deals based on what they currently do, not based on what might happen if this and that happens. They resign guys and don't overpay them based on what they do now and should continue to do vs what maybe happens according to some numbers if they improve this and play with this guy and this happens. The cup teams don't seem to do as many hopes and maybe's contracts where they hope that in a few years, he won't be an overpay.



Cup teams also need to have value contracts on their roster. Avalanche had a bunch (Kane would be the 2nd highest paid forward on that team next year if he signed for $7M).



I 100% agree, cup teams need value contracts. But we might differ on this. I don't think Cup teams look at signing guys based on the maybe that he will be a value deal. People like to bring up Nichushkin. I don't think Sakic signed Nichuskin 2 years ago for 2.5 mill per thinking at the end of it, they were getting a 25 goal scorer. I think they signed him thinking he was a 3rd line player and paid him accordingly. So if all he ended up being was a 3rd line player by the end of the deal, you didn't overpay. The fact they got more out of him this year than a 3rd line player, made him a value contract. So in my opinion, I don't think it's a good idea to be handing out a bunch of fingers crossed deals hoping that player X 3 yrs from now looks like a bargain and you got yourself a value deal. I am OK to give a player a tiny bump in the hopes he will outperform the contract. So if the player should be paid 2.5 mill (just making up a number for easy math) right now but the maybe numbers look good so you give him a tiny bump on a longer term deal that's fine. But I am not in favor of giving him a large bump on what he should be making right now because of the maybe's. Too much risk.

They can't have a bunch of guys making 1-2 mill more than they should and have them not pan out. Then have all the advances numbers guys go "Oops, got that one wrong. "

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I 100% agree, cup teams need value contracts. But we might differ on this. I don't think Cup teams look at signing guys based on the maybe that he will be a value deal. People like to bring up Nichushkin. I don't think Sakic signed Nichuskin 2 years ago for 2.5 mill per thinking at the end of it, they were getting a 25 goal scorer. I think they signed him thinking he was a 3rd line player and paid him accordingly. So if all he ended up being was a 3rd line player by the end of the deal, you didn't overpay. The fact they got more out of him this year than a 3rd line player, made him a value contract. So in my opinion, I don't think it's a good idea to be handing out a bunch of fingers crossed deals hoping that player X 3 yrs from now looks like a bargain and you got yourself a value deal. I am OK to give a player a tiny bump in the hopes he will outperform the contract. So if the player should be paid 2.5 mill (just making up a number for easy math) right now but the maybe numbers look good so you give him a tiny bump on a longer term deal that's fine. But I am not in favor of giving him a large bump on what he should be making right now because of the maybe's. Too much risk.

They can't have a bunch of guys making 1-2 mill more than they should and have them not pan out. Then have all the advances numbers guys go "Oops, got that one wrong. "


No, I don't think that we differ on that point. I'm not advocating paying Puljujarvi $1M - $2M extra because of what I hope he is down the road. I think we differ on what Puljujarvi's value is today. I don't want to hijack the Smith/Keith thread any more than I already have, so I'll maybe post more detail on that in the Puljujarvi thread later.



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Progress on Kane contract extension today

Nothing ‘official’ discussed but Campbell’s agent has hinted at his interest in coming to Edmonton

Smoke on Giroux, but could be a backup to Kane plan. Keep an eye on Richard Rakell as well.

Signs pointing to Keith returning which has stoked Barrie talks more.

Forgot to add, some progress on a deal including the 29th overall made today. Meeting with Kane’s camp again tomorrow. Keith’s camp as well. Expect the Kdominos to fall shortly, The Ks; Keith, Kulak and Kane.

[Updated on: Mon, 04 July 2022 13:49]


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