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Major schadenfreude from me watching all the hand wringing on SportsNet about the Leafs. It's wonderful.

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Oh, man, Steve Simmons is such a turd and Brendan Shanahan seemed to be seconds away from jumping the podium and killing him. That would have been awesome.


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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 16:15

Oh, man, Steve Simmons is such a turd and Brendan Shanahan seemed to be seconds away from jumping the podium and killing him. That would have been awesome.

What'd he say?



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Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.



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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:16

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.

Ugly result but I wonder how they handle it. A little high but I don’t think the head is the first point of contact.

It’s a star player though, Parros probably brings the hammer down.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:33

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:16

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.

Ugly result but I wonder how they handle it. A little high but I don’t think the head is the first point of contact.

It’s a star player though, Parros probably brings the hammer down.

It was also the fact that the hit was also completely needless, as Evans had already gotten the puck into the empty net. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be pissed at how stupid Scheifele was to make that hit, because the team needs him if they're going to have a chance at winning this series. Utterly stupid, stupid hit.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:33

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:16

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.

Ugly result but I wonder how they handle it. A little high but I don’t think the head is the first point of contact.

It’s a star player though, Parros probably brings the hammer down.


You can tell Scheifele was already assuming the goal would be scored and was 100% there to make as huge a hit as he could. Zero effort by him to try to stop the goal with his stick. He might have actually been able to if he tried to reach with the stick. But nope, he was only there to take a head off.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27KapXXMAIn0Rt?format=png&name=small

lol, his stick actually gets pulled away from trying to poke check as he gets ready to launch.

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That's really where I wish the refs would have let one of the Habs fight him. That deserved more than a headlock. Weber would have tuned him.


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Tkachuk took out Scheiffle last year. This year he took matters into his own hands.

Guess some guys don’t like playoff hockey. Stupid. Senseless.

Hopefully Evan’s is okay. The series just got interesting. I was only watching it out my peripheries, but it turned into must see TV.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 19:33

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:16

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.

Ugly result but I wonder how they handle it. A little high but I don’t think the head is the first point of contact.

It’s a star player though, Parros probably brings the hammer down.


I had the same reaction. The context is bad. End of the game, needless hit. From the angles I have seen, didn’t seem like a headshot and it certainly wasn’t late. Didn’t leave his feet at the point of contact. It was an icing though. He had the whole rink to charge at that hit, they will get him there and possibly intent to injure.

He’s not a repeat offender though. I’m not sure the suspension should be as severe as most people want it to be.



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Our buddy Anson Carter on the NBC broadcast down here just mentioned that there was an opportunity to try and play the puck and he didn't. I think that's what they will nail him with.


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Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:11

Our buddy Anson Carter on the NBC broadcast down here just mentioned that there was an opportunity to try and play the puck and he didn't. I think that's what they will nail him with.

Yeah, after seeing this angle I've changed my mind. He was looking to blow him up.

https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1400275216132096002 ?s=20




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CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:41

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:11

Our buddy Anson Carter on the NBC broadcast down here just mentioned that there was an opportunity to try and play the puck and he didn't. I think that's what they will nail him with.

Yeah, after seeing this angle I've changed my mind. He was looking to blow him up.

https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1400275216132096002 ?s=20




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27KotUXEAILlf-?format=jpg&name=900x900

He's pulled his stick back as he bends down for the hit. In this shot already he could have had his stick in the way of Evans wrapping it around.



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:42

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:41

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:11

Our buddy Anson Carter on the NBC broadcast down here just mentioned that there was an opportunity to try and play the puck and he didn't. I think that's what they will nail him with.

Yeah, after seeing this angle I've changed my mind. He was looking to blow him up.

https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1400275216132096002 ?s=20




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27KotUXEAILlf-?format=jpg&name=900x900

He's pulled his stick back as he bends down for the hit. In this shot already he could have had his stick in the way of Evans wrapping it around.


Not normally a fan of frame-by-frame breakdowns, but this one pretty damning. I’m not confident the League will get this one right. The statement “If he comes back this series, we will make his miserable” should be reason enough to give him 6 games.

As a fan of chaos, I hope he plays again this series in a nothing game. Watch Weber rag doll him when the Habs are 3-0 in the series.



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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 22:01

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:42

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:41

Suomalainen wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:11

Our buddy Anson Carter on the NBC broadcast down here just mentioned that there was an opportunity to try and play the puck and he didn't. I think that's what they will nail him with.

Yeah, after seeing this angle I've changed my mind. He was looking to blow him up.

https://twitter.com/ProducerDrew_/status/1400275216132096002 ?s=20




https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E27KotUXEAILlf-?format=jpg&name=900x900

He's pulled his stick back as he bends down for the hit. In this shot already he could have had his stick in the way of Evans wrapping it around.


Not normally a fan of frame-by-frame breakdowns, but this one pretty damning. I’m not confident the League will get this one right. The statement “If he comes back this series, we will make his miserable” should be reason enough to give him 6 games.

As a fan of chaos, I hope he plays again this series in a nothing game. Watch Weber rag doll him when the Habs are 3-0 in the series.



Saw someone point out how Scheifele played that like they play EA NHL games, lol. Yup, I do that too. F the puck, go for the kill! Full speed, locked and loaded 10ft out.



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 21:05

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 19:33

Ragnarok73 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 20:16

NetBOG wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:41

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 18:22

Helly and the Jets just taking a dump all over the ice in their first game against Montreal. Regression to the mean after our series I guess. Too bad we're not around to benefit.


It's hard to hook, grab, and interfere with a team that's just kinda talented from forwards 1-12. Don't know where to focus.

Scheifele should be done for the playoffs for that cheap hit on Evans. If he gets suspended for the rest of the series, he got off light.

Ugly result but I wonder how they handle it. A little high but I don’t think the head is the first point of contact.

It’s a star player though, Parros probably brings the hammer down.


I had the same reaction. The context is bad. End of the game, needless hit. From the angles I have seen, didn’t seem like a headshot and it certainly wasn’t late. Didn’t leave his feet at the point of contact. It was an icing though. He had the whole rink to charge at that hit, they will get him there and possibly intent to injure.

He’s not a repeat offender though. I’m not sure the suspension should be as severe as most people want it to be.


If Archibald got a game, then that should be at least the series, but it’s Parros. Who knows?



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Holding penalty
Holding penalty
Holding penalty
slashing penalty

In 1 period.

It's 2006 in Colorado tonight!



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Kinda painful watching NHL hockey. Refs just ignoring blatant grabs and trips killing odd man rushes through all the 3rd period. And then all of a sudden they call a weak trip with 5 mins left in the 3rd. Then a super weak slash call in OT to help give Colorado the win. Refs just totally ruined a great game IMO.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 02 June 2021 23:21

Kinda painful watching NHL hockey. Refs just ignoring blatant grabs and trips killing odd man rushes through all the 3rd period. And then all of a sudden they call a weak trip with 5 mins left in the 3rd. Then a super weak slash call in OT to help give Colorado the win. Refs just totally ruined a great game IMO.

Remember, according to the NHL and the refs, refs don't manage games and impact the outcome. It can be a complete gladiator arena. Guys tackling other guys, brutally hacking them down, drilling them from behind, guys are allowed to grab, hook, hold grab the stick and make it so you can't even stick handle, nothing gets called then the most innocent thing happens and up goes the arm.

Nah... they totally don't decide how the game is played. icon_rolleyes

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Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


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Skoobz wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 03:57

Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


He's about as far from a dirty player as there is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt just having seen it in real time, but after seeing the replays and frame by frame, that's a brutal hit. And I agree about how he looked - just weird, especially for him.



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It isn't as violent as what McSorley did, but for me this isn't far below in terms of cheap and nasty plays. He has to go for the season, and a warning for future reference. Just no need to do that and it was so dangerous. He had to know what he was doing, no matter what he'll claim.


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Mike wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 05:08

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 03:57

Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


He's about as far from a dirty player as there is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt just having seen it in real time, but after seeing the replays and frame by frame, that's a brutal hit. And I agree about how he looked - just weird, especially for him.


I do think 15 years ago that's a celebrated hit that makes it on that year's Rock 'em Sock 'em video.

I struggle with the outrage on this a little bit. I don't think it's the worst hit we've seen in a while by a long ways. He came a long distance at speed, so that's charging I guess, but he didn't leave his feet, didn't use his forearm or elbow or stick, he hit through the body so it wasn't like he clipped his head.

Growing up, I remember coaches telling us you had to be careful cutting out from behind the net because you put yourself in a dangerous position to get hit.

I think if Evans isn't hurt, there's probably no supplementary discipline on that (although who knows with Parros). As it is, I bet he gets two games as Parros gleefully gets to suspend another star player.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 09:56

Mike wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 05:08

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 03:57

Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


He's about as far from a dirty player as there is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt just having seen it in real time, but after seeing the replays and frame by frame, that's a brutal hit. And I agree about how he looked - just weird, especially for him.


I do think 15 years ago that's a celebrated hit that makes it on that year's Rock 'em Sock 'em video.

I struggle with the outrage on this a little bit. I don't think it's the worst hit we've seen in a while by a long ways. He came a long distance at speed, so that's charging I guess, but he didn't leave his feet, didn't use his forearm or elbow or stick, he hit through the body so it wasn't like he clipped his head.

Growing up, I remember coaches telling us you had to be careful cutting out from behind the net because you put yourself in a dangerous position to get hit.

I think if Evans isn't hurt, there's probably no supplementary discipline on that (although who knows with Parros). As it is, I bet he gets two games as Parros gleefully gets to suspend another star player.


Looks like phone hearing, so max 5 games.

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Winnipeg’s Mark Scheifele will have a hearing today for Charging Montreal’s Jake Evans.


I think he got his shoulder straight into Evans head there. Guy was knocked out before he hit the ground.

Definitely one that Stevens would have been celebrated for making, but now, thinking 2 games. Scheifele being a star player, and the zero effort at all to play that puck that he easily could have got his stick on probably works against him.

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Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


He's about as far from a dirty player as there is. I gave him the benefit of the doubt just having seen it in real time, but after seeing the replays and frame by frame, that's a brutal hit. And I agree about how he looked - just weird, especially for him.


I do think 15 years ago that's a celebrated hit that makes it on that year's Rock 'em Sock 'em video.

I struggle with the outrage on this a little bit. I don't think it's the worst hit we've seen in a while by a long ways. He came a long distance at speed, so that's charging I guess, but he didn't leave his feet, didn't use his forearm or elbow or stick, he hit through the body so it wasn't like he clipped his head.

Growing up, I remember coaches telling us you had to be careful cutting out from behind the net because you put yourself in a dangerous position to get hit.

I think if Evans isn't hurt, there's probably no supplementary discipline on that (although who knows with Parros). As it is, I bet he gets two games as Parros gleefully gets to suspend another star player.


Haven't looked at frame by frame - but it looked to me like he turned his shoulder to make sure it hit Evans' head and not the body. Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation. Scheiff pulled his stick back when he had a chance to stop the goad and went for the kill instead. He REALLY deserves suspension at least for the remainder of this series.



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Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts



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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).



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Perkele wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:08

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).


You didn't have coaches AT LEAST telling you that you have to be careful wheeling around the net that way because you're putting yourself in the bombsights?




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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:46

Perkele wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:08

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).


You didn't have coaches AT LEAST telling you that you have to be careful wheeling around the net that way because you're putting yourself in the bombsights?




I'm talking about Scheifele not Evans. Evans is going for the goal - this is all on Scheifele. If he had a chance to prevent the goal with his stick, he should try. Instead, long (relatively) before he gets to the goal, he decides to put Evans through the boards even though Scheifele is at top speed and Evans is unable to defend himself. Trying to hurt the scorer in this situation is the definition of a dirty hit.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 13:55

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:49

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:46

Perkele wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:08

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).


You didn't have coaches AT LEAST telling you that you have to be careful wheeling around the net that way because you're putting yourself in the bombsights?




I'm talking about Scheifele not Evans. Evans is going for the goal - this is all on Scheifele. If he had a chance to prevent the goal with his stick, he should try. Instead, long (relatively) before he gets to the goal, he decides to put Evans through the boards even though Scheifele is at top speed and Evans is unable to defend himself. Trying to hurt the scorer in this situation is the definition of a dirty hit.


He hit Evans behind the goal line. There wasn't much time between goal and impact, at game speed. Frame by frame, there was an eternity.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:55

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:49

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:46

Perkele wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:08

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).


You didn't have coaches AT LEAST telling you that you have to be careful wheeling around the net that way because you're putting yourself in the bombsights?




I'm talking about Scheifele not Evans. Evans is going for the goal - this is all on Scheifele. If he had a chance to prevent the goal with his stick, he should try. Instead, long (relatively) before he gets to the goal, he decides to put Evans through the boards even though Scheifele is at top speed and Evans is unable to defend himself. Trying to hurt the scorer in this situation is the definition of a dirty hit.



Is there anything actually in the rule book that a checker has to make a play for the puck? Otherwise, aren't all hits illegal? Anytime you line up for a hit, you are giving up on directly playing the puck. It's an attempt to separate the puck carrier from the puck, so are any hits ever a direct play on the puck? I could be wrong, but I think this whole "he didn't attempt a play on the puck" just an argument of outrage. It's the first I've ever heard of it. Evans was eligible to be checked. I'd need to see a rule that a checker also has to make a play for the puck...

I don't like the charging, and because of how long his run was I'd argue it is intent to injure. I don't like the context, although I'm not sure that matters. Scheifele can make a legal check there. I think the result was worse than the total illegality of the check.

I'd be satisfied with 2 or 3 games.

I don’t see a lot of difference between this hit and Scheifele’s hit other than result (which does matter when deciding punishment).

https://youtu.be/n3gWv1nmr7w

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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:55

Adam wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:49

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:46

Perkele wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 11:08

welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 03 June 2021 12:45

Plus, no coaches tell kids to hit someone like that in that situation.



I certainly didn't play high level hockey at any point in my life and I am old so I was playing during the 80s and 90s, but, every single coach I have ever had told me (and all players) to make that exact hit. We were taught to always lay a guy out if they are attempting a wrap around and you have the chance. I am not saying it is right or that he shouldn't be suspended but I do have to disagree that no coach promotes that hit. I feel fairly certain that back when I played if I had peeled off of that hit, at any point in the game, I would have been riding the pine for a while after that.

I hope that you are just younger than me and that coaches now have some respect for the opposition and hits like that are not promoted but knowing that the guys now coaching grew up in the same era I did, I have my doubts


Well, I played too, up to AAA, before the 80's and though I had some meathead coaches none of them ever would (I think) or did suggest deliberately trying to hurt someone in that situation (that is the important part).


You didn't have coaches AT LEAST telling you that you have to be careful wheeling around the net that way because you're putting yourself in the bombsights?




I'm talking about Scheifele not Evans. Evans is going for the goal - this is all on Scheifele. If he had a chance to prevent the goal with his stick, he should try. Instead, long (relatively) before he gets to the goal, he decides to put Evans through the boards even though Scheifele is at top speed and Evans is unable to defend himself. Trying to hurt the scorer in this situation is the definition of a dirty hit.



Is there anything actually in the rule book that a checker has to make a play for the puck? Otherwise, aren't all hits illegal? Anytime you line up for a hit, you are giving up on directly playing the puck. It's an attempt to separate the puck carrier from the puck, so are any hits ever a direct play on the puck? I could be wrong, but I think this whole "he didn't attempt a play on the puck" just an argument of outrage. It's the first I've ever heard of it. Evans was eligible to be checked. I'd need to see a rule that a checker also has to make a play for the puck...

I don't like the charging, and because of how long his run was I'd argue it is intent to injure. I don't like the context, although I'm not sure that matters. Scheifele can make a legal check there. I think the result was worse than the total illegality of the check.

I'd be satisfied with 2 or 3 games.

I don’t see a lot of difference between this hit and Scheifele’s hit other than result (which does matter when deciding punishment).

https://youtu.be/n3gWv1nmr7w



That's quite a job of stretching what I actually typed into a discussion about the rules on hitting. LOL.

It was a completely unnecessary hit given the puck was already in the net at contact. My post is about my opinion on the hit and whether it is "dirty" or not. By what you typed above, you must be completely ok with Turtles hits on all of his victims.



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That's quite a job of stretching what I actually typed into a discussion about the rules on hitting. LOL.

It was a completely unnecessary hit given the puck was already in the net at contact. My post is about my opinion on the hit and whether it is "dirty" or not. By what you typed above, you must be completely ok with Turtles hits on all of his victims.



I mean, it is a discussion forum...sometimes we talk about really really closely related things. Like a dirty hit and the rules on hitting. Seems natural to me.

Yeah, I do think Tkachuk does a pretty good job walking the line. Giordano is the dirtiest Flame. Hey, why did you stray from the conversation like that?

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That's quite a job of stretching what I actually typed into a discussion about the rules on hitting. LOL.

It was a completely unnecessary hit given the puck was already in the net at contact. My post is about my opinion on the hit and whether it is "dirty" or not. By what you typed above, you must be completely ok with Turtles hits on all of his victims.



I mean, it is a discussion forum...sometimes we talk about really really closely related things. Like a dirty hit and the rules on hitting. Seems natural to me.

Yeah, I do think Tkachuk does a pretty good job walking the line. Giordano is the dirtiest Flame. Hey, why did you stray from the conversation like that?


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Is there anything actually in the rule book that a checker has to make a play for the puck? Otherwise, aren't all hits illegal? Anytime you line up for a hit, you are giving up on directly playing the puck. It's an attempt to separate the puck carrier from the puck, so are any hits ever a direct play on the puck? I could be wrong, but I think this whole "he didn't attempt a play on the puck" just an argument of outrage. It's the first I've ever heard of it. Evans was eligible to be checked. I'd need to see a rule that a checker also has to make a play for the puck...

I don't like the charging, and because of how long his run was I'd argue it is intent to injure. I don't like the context, although I'm not sure that matters. Scheifele can make a legal check there. I think the result was worse than the total illegality of the check.

I'd be satisfied with 2 or 3 games.

I don’t see a lot of difference between this hit and Scheifele’s hit other than result (which does matter when deciding punishment).

https://youtu.be/n3gWv1nmr7w



I agree with you, nothing in the rule book about "attempting to play the puck" as a requisite to be able to body check a guy.. Evans was eligible to be hit, you can argue whether its a charge, but he was gliding in for the 20 to 25 ft.. wasn't taking a stride.. Evans problem was he was laid out low stretching for the wrap around, took the hit head on.. if he were more upright when he got hit it would likely just knocked the wind out of him, and Schieffle would have been credited for a solid check, and Evans credited sacrificing the hit for a goal. I don't think there was any intent from Schieffle to specifically target Evans head. I watched the replay, it all happens pretty quick in real time, like a split second.

There are hits just like that during the year all the time where a guy carrying the puck from behind the net has his head down, and doesn't see a guy coming around from the opposite direction obscured by the goalie and net, and gets absolutely cratered.. NHL never seems to have a problem with those.. lots of Tukchuk hits like that.. it'll be interesting to see if the DoPS applies the same ruling criteria from Schielffle's suspension (4 game play offs = 8 game regular season) in future cases..

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Scheifele should get 10 games for that. Filthy play. They should also drug test him, because he was definitely altered by some substance - his eyes were not the way eyes are, and his reactions were not the way non-altered folks react. Weird, weird thing to see from a guy like him.


I think those eyes were him realizing what he did and processing the consequences for him, his reputation, for Evans, for his team, etc... Not much more he could do in that moment is have an "oh sh$#" look on his face.



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I think those eyes were him realizing what he did and processing the consequences for him, his reputation, for Evans, for his team, etc... Not much more he could do in that moment is have an "oh sh$#" look on his face.


They could be, for sure. To my eyes, there's something about the pupil size and his general twitchiness that looks pharmaceutically-altered.



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