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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718945 is a reply to message #718938 ]
Mon, 24 September 2018 10:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I honestly wouldn't have had much problem if Montoya was given the back-up role. He's had 3 years in the past 5 above .910. He's had 2 years below .900. I imagine that volatility is pretty typical for a backup goalie. It's a strange position, because anybody who is consistently good would be getting a starting job.


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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718937 is a reply to message #718932 ]
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Rocksteady wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 09:17

I don't have patience for Koskinen.. I've seen enough to say he isn't good enough to push Talbot.

I hope it's a hot take, but he has proved to be a challenge to get behind. 1 great save.. the rest? Soft.


I am not overly confident in Koskinen either but that is why I give him another start over Montoya. They have to find out.



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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718951 is a reply to message #718905 ]
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I thought a decent first period from the Oilers bottom 6/AHL/prospects, but then reality set in as the Jets' top line got it going.

Koskinen can't be blamed for most of what went behind him, but you need a stop or two out of those. He looked less awkward than his first start.

JP looks like he could take a step forward this year, taking the initiative on a lot of plays out there. Yamamoto is going to be a very late decision, did pretty well out there against the likes of Myers and Buff. Have to see more of Tobias Rieder, but didn't stand out last night.

The young guys are winning the battles for 6/7 D. I don't think you want any of the 3 young Oilers' D as a PB #7 D at this stage. Gravel sent to Bakersfield already, I thought Gravel has been better than Jerabek.....Garrison isn't going to be around for long. Bear, Bouchard, and Jones have been better than these 3.

If the season starts today, should Bear make the team? I would think so. Has Jerabek earned even a #7 spot? Not likely, but his 1 way says otherwise. Do they keep Bouchard around for his 9 starts? Probably. Hard to see how this would play out with numbers on the roster in the opening games of the season.

The silver lining here is that some young defensive prospects are at some point going to move some guys like Benning and Russell down the depth chart, as early as next year.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 10:22

I thought a decent first period from the Oilers bottom 6/AHL/prospects, but then reality set in as the Jets' top line got it going.

Koskinen can't be blamed for most of what went behind him, but you need a stop or two out of those. He looked less awkward than his first start.

JP looks like he could take a step forward this year, taking the initiative on a lot of plays out there. Yamamoto is going to be a very late decision, did pretty well out there against the likes of Myers and Buff. Have to see more of Tobias Rieder, but didn't stand out last night.

The young guys are winning the battles for 6/7 D. I don't think you want any of the 3 young Oilers' D as a PB #7 D at this stage. Gravel sent to Bakersfield already, I thought Gravel has been better than Jerabek.....Garrison isn't going to be around for long. Bear, Bouchard, and Jones have been better than these 3.

If the season starts today, should Bear make the team? I would think so. Has Jerabek earned even a #7 spot? Not likely, but his 1 way says otherwise. Do they keep Bouchard around for his 9 starts? Probably. Hard to see how this would play out with numbers on the roster in the opening games of the season.

The silver lining here is that some young defensive prospects are at some point going to move some guys like Benning and Russell down the depth chart, as early as next year.


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..



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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718964 is a reply to message #718955 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 11:58

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 10:22

I thought a decent first period from the Oilers bottom 6/AHL/prospects, but then reality set in as the Jets' top line got it going.

Koskinen can't be blamed for most of what went behind him, but you need a stop or two out of those. He looked less awkward than his first start.

JP looks like he could take a step forward this year, taking the initiative on a lot of plays out there. Yamamoto is going to be a very late decision, did pretty well out there against the likes of Myers and Buff. Have to see more of Tobias Rieder, but didn't stand out last night.

The young guys are winning the battles for 6/7 D. I don't think you want any of the 3 young Oilers' D as a PB #7 D at this stage. Gravel sent to Bakersfield already, I thought Gravel has been better than Jerabek.....Garrison isn't going to be around for long. Bear, Bouchard, and Jones have been better than these 3.

If the season starts today, should Bear make the team? I would think so. Has Jerabek earned even a #7 spot? Not likely, but his 1 way says otherwise. Do they keep Bouchard around for his 9 starts? Probably. Hard to see how this would play out with numbers on the roster in the opening games of the season.

The silver lining here is that some young defensive prospects are at some point going to move some guys like Benning and Russell down the depth chart, as early as next year.


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..


I don't disagree one bit that the Oilers scouting hasn't been great but Sekera blew out his achilles August 14th, who saw that coming and at August 14th, there isn't much left.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 11:58


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..



Meh - it's pre-season. I'll save judgement until I see him play in games that matter.

I'm a believer that almost no one should "win" spots in camp. You should have figured out your depth chart in the summer based on a lot of history on these players, not watching how they play against scrubs or coasting veterans over a couple weeks in September.

If the Oilers believed Jerabek was a Top-7 defenceman when they signed him, then it should take an awful lot to change their mind on that.

Certainly, all the stats you can find on Jerabek and Gravel suggest that Jerabek is more likely to be a positive contributor than Gravel.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 13:00

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 11:58


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..



Meh - it's pre-season. I'll save judgement until I see him play in games that matter.

I'm a believer that almost no one should "win" spots in camp. You should have figured out your depth chart in the summer based on a lot of history on these players, not watching how they play against scrubs or coasting veterans over a couple weeks in September.

If the Oilers believed Jerabek was a Top-7 defenceman when they signed him, then it should take an awful lot to change their mind on that.

Certainly, all the stats you can find on Jerabek and Gravel suggest that Jerabek is more likely to be a positive contributor than Gravel.


Can something similar be applied to Koskinen/Montoya as well?



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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718976 is a reply to message #718973 ]
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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 16:45

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 13:00

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 11:58


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..



Meh - it's pre-season. I'll save judgement until I see him play in games that matter.

I'm a believer that almost no one should "win" spots in camp. You should have figured out your depth chart in the summer based on a lot of history on these players, not watching how they play against scrubs or coasting veterans over a couple weeks in September.

If the Oilers believed Jerabek was a Top-7 defenceman when they signed him, then it should take an awful lot to change their mind on that.

Certainly, all the stats you can find on Jerabek and Gravel suggest that Jerabek is more likely to be a positive contributor than Gravel.


Can something similar be applied to Koskinen/Montoya as well?



Possibly. We will see. You would think scrub rosters and coasting Vet's would help goalies but they could be on cruise control too. My Koskinen concerns are more about his track record than about his first two games.



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 Re: Oilers at Jets Expected Lineup 9/23/18 [message #718977 is a reply to message #718976 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 17:26

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 16:45

Adam wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 13:00

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 24 September 2018 11:58


Agree, Jerabek has so far looked like another bad bet.. time to evaluate Oiler scouting.. again..



Meh - it's pre-season. I'll save judgement until I see him play in games that matter.

I'm a believer that almost no one should "win" spots in camp. You should have figured out your depth chart in the summer based on a lot of history on these players, not watching how they play against scrubs or coasting veterans over a couple weeks in September.

If the Oilers believed Jerabek was a Top-7 defenceman when they signed him, then it should take an awful lot to change their mind on that.

Certainly, all the stats you can find on Jerabek and Gravel suggest that Jerabek is more likely to be a positive contributor than Gravel.


Can something similar be applied to Koskinen/Montoya as well?



Possibly. We will see. You would think scrub rosters and coasting Vet's would help goalies but they could be on cruise control too. My Koskinen concerns are more about his track record than about his first two games.


Yeah, certainly the spotlight is on the goaltender if they drop a steamer of a performance, a 6/7 D will cost you some chances against but their mistakes don't always go in. I wonder what about Koskinen would lead anyone to believe that he's 1.5 million better than Joe Schmo as a 15-20 game backup. Hopefully we might see something, anything in that regard prior to the season getting started.



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