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 Yamo Extension [message #791592]
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Saw today a Yamamoto comparison that had him getting 6 x $5 million.

Don't see how that fits under the salary cap. Do we have any young, promising dmen we could offload for cap space?

You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.


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In what world does his camp figure he's worth that much? I would expect to see something more like two years at $2.0 - $2.5m per

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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:09

In what world does his camp figure he's worth that much? I would expect to see something more like two years at $2.0 - $2.5m per


Yikes. Think I've been hearing stuff like 1.5-2M on a 2 year bridge since Yamo had a really rough season and 2 playoffs now. I hope we're not freaking out because of how Nurse's stuff went with bridge deals and we jump into a crazy deal with Yams.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:11

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:09

In what world does his camp figure he's worth that much? I would expect to see something more like two years at $2.0 - $2.5m per


Yikes. Think I've been hearing stuff like 1.5-2M on a 2 year bridge since Yamo had a really rough season and 2 playoffs now. I hope we're not freaking out because of how Nurse's stuff went with bridge deals and we jump into a crazy deal with Yams.

just because we rushed to trade for Keith and rushed a darnell nurse signing and rushed to get rid of Ethan Bear because of one misplay in overtime in the playoffs doesn't mean we won't take our time on this one.

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It's the Joel Farabee contract signed today. Apparently they are very comparable players thus far in their careers.

https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1433463130282074119

Anyways, suddenly the Kotkaniemi price looks better.

It's also possible they bridge Yamamoto for less as Farabee got a longer extension. Flipside is you could pay a lot more further down the road (see: Nurse, Theodore, Morrissey). But the Farabee extension is what has people talking long-term in the $5-6M price range for Yamamoto.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:32

It's the Joel Farabee contract signed today. Apparently they are very comparable players thus far in their careers.

https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1433463130282074119

Anyways, suddenly the Kotkaniemi price looks better.

It's also possible they bridge Yamamoto for less as Farabee got a longer extension. Flipside is you could pay a lot more further down the road (see: Nurse, Theodore, Morrissey). But the Farabee extension is what has people talking long-term in the $5-6M price range for Yamamoto.


If Yams got 20 goals and 38 points, I could see it. 8 goals and 21 points with buckets of time with Drai though...

Farabee played with JVR and Couturier just to note.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:37

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:32

It's the Joel Farabee contract signed today. Apparently they are very comparable players thus far in their careers.

https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1433463130282074119

Anyways, suddenly the Kotkaniemi price looks better.

It's also possible they bridge Yamamoto for less as Farabee got a longer extension. Flipside is you could pay a lot more further down the road (see: Nurse, Theodore, Morrissey). But the Farabee extension is what has people talking long-term in the $5-6M price range for Yamamoto.


If Yams got 20 goals and 38 points, I could see it. 8 goals and 21 points with buckets of time with Drai though...

Farabee played with JVR and Couturier just to note.


Farabee is one year younger, but they've played about the same number of NHL games and have very similar point totals in their careers. Farabee got hot this year, Yamamoto was hot last year.

Yamamoto's camp is LOVING that deal that was signed today.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:44

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:37

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 13:32

It's the Joel Farabee contract signed today. Apparently they are very comparable players thus far in their careers.

https://twitter.com/ByronMBader/status/1433463130282074119

Anyways, suddenly the Kotkaniemi price looks better.

It's also possible they bridge Yamamoto for less as Farabee got a longer extension. Flipside is you could pay a lot more further down the road (see: Nurse, Theodore, Morrissey). But the Farabee extension is what has people talking long-term in the $5-6M price range for Yamamoto.


If Yams got 20 goals and 38 points, I could see it. 8 goals and 21 points with buckets of time with Drai though...

Farabee played with JVR and Couturier just to note.


Farabee is one year younger, but they've played about the same number of NHL games and have very similar point totals in their careers. Farabee got hot this year, Yamamoto was hot last year.

Yamamoto's camp is LOVING that deal that was signed today.



Same comments as with Kotkaniemi:

- Farabee's younger
- Farabee's more productive
- Farabee, while paired with good linemates, has had lesser linemates than Yamamoto
- Farabee's bigger (although less so than Kotkaniemi)
- The danger with Yamamoto comes due to the Oilers lack of space, so he becomes a pretty tempting offer sheet target. At anything up to $4.1MM/season, Yamamoto can be had for only a 2nd round pick. For those keeping score, the Oilers would be hard-pressed to match an offer at $4MM per season without making further moves.
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I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

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Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:43

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:43

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.

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If Yamamoto was offer sheeted at $3.0-3.5MM/season - would you match? [ 17 vote(s) ]
1.Absolutely - bring on cap hell! 10 / 59%
2.No way - I'd prefer the 2nd round pick! 7 / 41%

Just out of interest - what would you do if he DOES get offer-sheeted at a reasonable number?

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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 17:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:43

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.


Would this be an offer sheet designed to screw over the OIlers? Or because a team really wants Yamo at 3M+? I struggle with Yamo being that attractive that a team would want to try this. He was great for 2 months with Nuge/Drai, but 2 playoffs where he looked overwhelmed and a weak season between then and today.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 18:35

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 17:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:43

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.


Would this be an offer sheet designed to screw over the OIlers? Or because a team really wants Yamo at 3M+? I struggle with Yamo being that attractive that a team would want to try this. He was great for 2 months with Nuge/Drai, but 2 playoffs where he looked overwhelmed and a weak season between then and today.


All of the above. If you think he can provide some depth scoring, $3MM isn't that bad. It doesn't get what it used to nowadays...

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Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 18:49

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 18:35

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 17:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:43

Skoobz wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 16:26

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 14:56

I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.


Would this be an offer sheet designed to screw over the OIlers? Or because a team really wants Yamo at 3M+? I struggle with Yamo being that attractive that a team would want to try this. He was great for 2 months with Nuge/Drai, but 2 playoffs where he looked overwhelmed and a weak season between then and today.


All of the above. If you think he can provide some depth scoring, $3MM isn't that bad. It doesn't get what it used to nowadays...


Definitely would be a nice cap off to our off-season that started with Holland talking about how you can't squeeze or take advantage of teams in this league!

Wonder what team would do it, and what revenge offersheet Katz will have us send next year :)

Just noticed that Drake Batherson is still unsigned. That's a guy I would have expected to get an offer sheet by now. Playing for the cheapest owner in the league. Looking like an up and coming 6'3 sniper.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 23:49

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 18:49

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 18:35

Adam wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 17:39

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I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.


Would this be an offer sheet designed to screw over the OIlers? Or because a team really wants Yamo at 3M+? I struggle with Yamo being that attractive that a team would want to try this. He was great for 2 months with Nuge/Drai, but 2 playoffs where he looked overwhelmed and a weak season between then and today.


All of the above. If you think he can provide some depth scoring, $3MM isn't that bad. It doesn't get what it used to nowadays...


Definitely would be a nice cap off to our off-season that started with Holland talking about how you can't squeeze or take advantage of teams in this league!

Wonder what team would do it, and what revenge offersheet Katz will have us send next year :)

Just noticed that Drake Batherson is still unsigned. That's a guy I would have expected to get an offer sheet by now. Playing for the cheapest owner in the league. Looking like an up and coming 6'3 sniper.


Well, the Flames have just about exactly the right amount of space left...

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I like Yamo a lot but I am sorry, there is no chance he's worth 5 mill. He had a good 26 games 2 seasons ago. Other than that, he hasn't performed offensively overly well. He scored 1 goal in 25 games which I believe was on the PP last year playing primarily with a top 5 center, league MVP and scoring champ. I like the guy, I want him on the team but anything too far over what JP got last year is a joke.


I totally agree with this. Yams is a very likable player with a nice upside, but he is definitely not more than a ~2M guy at this point.

If he thinks he's worth 5 mill, then take a 1 yr deal for like 1.5 mill and prove it. That's still a pretty nice raise for him. He had a great 26 games 2 in 19-20, then fell off last season. I don't think he's a point per game guy but I also don't think he's a guy who can hardly score even when he played with Leon. He's probably in the middle.

I look at JP when he came back last year and I look at Yamo. Both have potential but lots of unknowns as to what kind of player they actually are. He's got barely just over 1 season under his belt with the result being hugely all over the place.


If I'm Yamo's agent, I'm phoning around to see if there's offer sheets out there in the $4-5M range on a long-term deal. If there are, I'm looking to cash in on the market Farabee just set. If the Oilers match, great. If they don't, great.

If there's no offer sheets out there, I'm advising exactly what you suggest here. A cheap one-year deal, put up numbers, cash in next summer.

I like Yamamoto, but I never fault or begrudge a player for getting paid what they are able to get paid.


This is the barrel the Oilers are over. Someone is unlikely to go to $5MM per year for Yamamoto. If they did, it's a 1st and a 3rd and that's probably an unpalatable price to pay. A 2nd round pick however? That you could do. If they believe in his potential, then $3.0MM or $3.5MM puts the Oilers in trouble.

CapFriendly currently seems to count 25 players including Klefbom. I think it's safe to say that two of Turris, Perlini, McLeod or Lagesson aren't on the roster, so things are about $1.5-1.8MM better than it looks, but even with that savings, we're in trouble. We have about $1MM left of LTIR room for Klefbom - so those two numbers get you to $2.5MM that we can spend on Yamamoto. Anything more than that and we have to find a way to free up dollars.

Additionally, with the team completely maxed out on day one, then it makes it a lot harder to make any moves in-season. Anything you do becomes a dollar in, dollar out deal unless suddenly Ken Holland becomes an expert at creative cap management. Safe to say that ain't happening.

If you're a team who needs a 2RW, you can throw in a $3MM offer, knowing the Oilers are going to really struggle to match it. If we do, then we're scrambling to make room for him. If we don't, then we give up a guy we've put three years of development in to for a 2nd round pick. Honestly, I have to think it's a legitimate risk right now. Way more likely to happen than, say, the rumoured Draisaitl offer sheets that had Chiarelli so panicked. The simple fact is, the Oilers are ripe for the picking here, even at a not unreasonable number.

Even if the Oilers had the cap space, I still wouldn't give Yamo 3 mill. He hasn't even come close to suggesting he's worth it yet. He had a good 26 game stretch in 19-20 but wasn't very good last year while primarily with Leon. Giving him 3 or more mill screams Kassian contract to me. Kassian got paid based on a good but relatively short run with McD. Now I am hopeful that he will be better and show he's close to the player he was in 19-20 for those 26 games but based on how he played last year, Yamo looked a lot like a smaller, less physical, less tough Archibald. A scrappy, small winger who can play on your special teams, mostly your PK. For a little guy he isn't scared to mix it up. He doesn't have a big shot. He's got some offensive skill but lacks finish. Yamo skates decent but I think Archibald is faster and like I said he's not physical at all compared to Archibald and he's smaller. I'd like to think that Yamo is a much more skilled offensive player than Arch but Arch had 7 goals, 13 pts playing basically all in the 3rd and 4th line. Yamo had 8 goals, 21 pts playing mostly with Leon. So if they switched Arch and Yamo last year for the whole year, I bet Arch at minimum duplicated Yamo's numbers.

So right now, anything over 1.5 mill is an overpay for Yamo based on what he's shown to date.

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Even if the Oilers had the cap space, I still wouldn't give Yamo 3 mill. He hasn't even come close to suggesting he's worth it yet. He had a good 26 game stretch in 19-20 but wasn't very good last year while primarily with Leon. Giving him 3 or more mill screams Kassian contract to me. Kassian got paid based on a good but relatively short run with McD. Now I am hopeful that he will be better and show he's close to the player he was in 19-20 for those 26 games but based on how he played last year, Yamo looked a lot like a smaller, less physical, less tough Archibald. A scrappy, small winger who can play on your special teams, mostly your PK. For a little guy he isn't scared to mix it up. He doesn't have a big shot. He's got some offensive skill but lacks finish. Yamo skates decent but I think Archibald is faster and like I said he's not physical at all compared to Archibald and he's smaller. I'd like to think that Yamo is a much more skilled offensive player than Arch but Arch had 7 goals, 13 pts playing basically all in the 3rd and 4th line. Yamo had 8 goals, 21 pts playing mostly with Leon. So if they switched Arch and Yamo last year for the whole year, I bet Arch at minimum duplicated Yamo's numbers.

So right now, anything over 1.5 mill is an overpay for Yamo based on what he's shown to date.


So if someone offer sheets him at $3MM, you're just taking the 2nd round pick?

Who are we signing to replace him at 2RW with the little money we have left?

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Even if the Oilers had the cap space, I still wouldn't give Yamo 3 mill. He hasn't even come close to suggesting he's worth it yet. He had a good 26 game stretch in 19-20 but wasn't very good last year while primarily with Leon. Giving him 3 or more mill screams Kassian contract to me. Kassian got paid based on a good but relatively short run with McD. Now I am hopeful that he will be better and show he's close to the player he was in 19-20 for those 26 games but based on how he played last year, Yamo looked a lot like a smaller, less physical, less tough Archibald. A scrappy, small winger who can play on your special teams, mostly your PK. For a little guy he isn't scared to mix it up. He doesn't have a big shot. He's got some offensive skill but lacks finish. Yamo skates decent but I think Archibald is faster and like I said he's not physical at all compared to Archibald and he's smaller. I'd like to think that Yamo is a much more skilled offensive player than Arch but Arch had 7 goals, 13 pts playing basically all in the 3rd and 4th line. Yamo had 8 goals, 21 pts playing mostly with Leon. So if they switched Arch and Yamo last year for the whole year, I bet Arch at minimum duplicated Yamo's numbers.

So right now, anything over 1.5 mill is an overpay for Yamo based on what he's shown to date.


So if someone offer sheets him at $3MM, you're just taking the 2nd round pick?

Who are we signing to replace him at 2RW with the little money we have left?


I understand what you are saying but I am surprised you of all people who comes here day after day and bashes the team about mismanagement, bad cap management and paying too much for players in money, term or both, are so prepared to overpay him. I'd like to think that Yamo is a top 6 winger but right now he's unproven.

I don't have the answer to your question but paying him 3+ mill would be a mistake.


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Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 09:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:26


Even if the Oilers had the cap space, I still wouldn't give Yamo 3 mill. He hasn't even come close to suggesting he's worth it yet. He had a good 26 game stretch in 19-20 but wasn't very good last year while primarily with Leon. Giving him 3 or more mill screams Kassian contract to me. Kassian got paid based on a good but relatively short run with McD. Now I am hopeful that he will be better and show he's close to the player he was in 19-20 for those 26 games but based on how he played last year, Yamo looked a lot like a smaller, less physical, less tough Archibald. A scrappy, small winger who can play on your special teams, mostly your PK. For a little guy he isn't scared to mix it up. He doesn't have a big shot. He's got some offensive skill but lacks finish. Yamo skates decent but I think Archibald is faster and like I said he's not physical at all compared to Archibald and he's smaller. I'd like to think that Yamo is a much more skilled offensive player than Arch but Arch had 7 goals, 13 pts playing basically all in the 3rd and 4th line. Yamo had 8 goals, 21 pts playing mostly with Leon. So if they switched Arch and Yamo last year for the whole year, I bet Arch at minimum duplicated Yamo's numbers.

So right now, anything over 1.5 mill is an overpay for Yamo based on what he's shown to date.


So if someone offer sheets him at $3MM, you're just taking the 2nd round pick?

Who are we signing to replace him at 2RW with the little money we have left?


I understand what you are saying but I am surprised you of all people who comes here day after day and bashes the team about mismanagement, bad cap management and paying too much for players in money, term or both, are so prepared to overpay him. I'd like to think that Yamo is a top 6 winger but right now he's unproven.

I don't have the answer to your question but paying him 3+ mill would be a mistake.



Hey - if he doesn't have an offer sheet, I wouldn't line up to give him $3MM, but as mightyreasoner has mentioned, if his agent isn't actively banging on doors right now looking for one, he's not doing his job. I don't know that the Oilers can replace the player adequately for anything less than that number and I think losing him for a 2nd rounder would be a really tough pill to swallow, so I probably bite hard and match if someone put that on the table.

I hate overpayments, but offer sheets mean it's not entirely in your control. You either take the hit, or you take the compensation.

The big problem is that if that were to happen, the Oilers need to find a way to flush a problem contract - so you're probably looking at it costing us a draft pick to keep Yamamoto too. It would have been really nice if the team had dealt with this earlier, or not taken Keith's full cap hit, or waited to sign foot soldiers like Koekkoek and Shore until after Yamamoto was taken care of, or found a home for Koskinen, or found a taker for James Neal, or shown an iota of cap creativity and not put ourselves where we're in an incredibly vulnerable position.

Maybe this will teach them not to wait until middle of next summer to deal with Puljujarvi's next contract...

It is worth noting, in case the point is missed above. We're only vulnerable because of mismanagement. If we aren't right against the cap, the danger of an offer sheet drops precipitously.

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My limited viewing of Farabee showed a talented player who drives the play. Yamamoto digs hard, but he’s still a passenger on most nights.

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I would only trade for proven scoring and throw in picks as needed. I saw Hertl's name in rumors.

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Solid 3rd wing rw

We’ve got one of those overpaid already, can’t have a second one overpaid.

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 22:41

Solid 3rd wing rw

We’ve got one of those overpaid already, can’t have a second one overpaid.

I wonder how that works as a bargaining tactic?

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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 22:41

Solid 3rd wing rw

We’ve got one of those overpaid already, can’t have a second one overpaid.

I wonder how that works as a bargaining tactic?

"We negotiated so poorly with Kassian that we need to stand our ground here."

You could be right. Kassian got over 3 mill based on what, half a season with McD? Actually if anything, Kassian had more good play built up. I think in the 18-19 season he was up with McD for a bit and scored 15 goals that year then the following year had 15-34 pts in 59 games and got the deal. Yamo only had 2s games total of strong play but I am sure he is using Kassian as a starting point. Why wouldn't he.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:30

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:18

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 22:41

Solid 3rd wing rw

We’ve got one of those overpaid already, can’t have a second one overpaid.

I wonder how that works as a bargaining tactic?

"We negotiated so poorly with Kassian that we need to stand our ground here."

You could be right. Kassian got over 3 mill based on what, half a season with McD? Actually if anything, Kassian had more good play built up. I think in the 18-19 season he was up with McD for a bit and scored 15 goals that year then the following year had 15-34 pts in 59 games and got the deal. Yamo only had 2s games total of strong play but I am sure he is using Kassian as a starting point. Why wouldn't he.


I think Kassian jumping Tkachuk may have added 1M to his AAV. icon_biggrin

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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:30

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 08:18

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 02 September 2021 22:41

Solid 3rd wing rw

We’ve got one of those overpaid already, can’t have a second one overpaid.

I wonder how that works as a bargaining tactic?

"We negotiated so poorly with Kassian that we need to stand our ground here."

You could be right. Kassian got over 3 mill based on what, half a season with McD? Actually if anything, Kassian had more good play built up. I think in the 18-19 season he was up with McD for a bit and scored 15 goals that year then the following year had 15-34 pts in 59 games and got the deal. Yamo only had 2s games total of strong play but I am sure he is using Kassian as a starting point. Why wouldn't he.


I think Kassian jumping Tkachuk may have added 1M to his AAV. icon_biggrin

Definitely got him a few extra brownie points. He can do it yearly if he wants and I wouldn't be upset.

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And now another RFA with similar career stats to Yamamoto, Drake Batherson, signs a 6 year, $29.85M deal.

The prospect of getting Yamamoto for less than $3M just became less likely. I don't see how the Oilers make this work given their cap situation.

And this does not bode well for Puljujarvi at all. His production and career progression is definitely in the range of these 2 signings. If he scores 20-25 goals this season they're going to have to pay him $5M - $6M+, and that's going to be tough for them to make work. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Puljujarvi this season.

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Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:33

And now another RFA with similar career stats to Yamamoto, Drake Batherson, signs a 6 year, $29.85M deal.

The prospect of getting Yamamoto for less than $3M just became less likely. I don't see how the Oilers make this work given their cap situation.

And this does not bode well for Puljujarvi at all. His production and career progression is definitely in the range of these 2 signings. If he scores 20-25 goals this season they're going to have to pay him $5M - $6M+, and that's going to be tough for them to make work. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Puljujarvi this season.

https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa-senators-drake-batherson-contract- extension-1.1689345


Might have to just do a 1 year deal with Yams. Unless our hand is forced. Could burn us if Yams rebounds this coming season, but we can't afford to do much else this summer.

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Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:33

And now another RFA with similar career stats to Yamamoto, Drake Batherson, signs a 6 year, $29.85M deal.

The prospect of getting Yamamoto for less than $3M just became less likely. I don't see how the Oilers make this work given their cap situation.

And this does not bode well for Puljujarvi at all. His production and career progression is definitely in the range of these 2 signings. If he scores 20-25 goals this season they're going to have to pay him $5M - $6M+, and that's going to be tough for them to make work. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Puljujarvi this season.

https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa-senators-drake-batherson-contract- extension-1.1689345


Might have to just do a 1 year deal with Yams. Unless our hand is forced. Could burn us if Yams rebounds this coming season, but we can't afford to do much else this summer.


I can't see him signing longer right now, unless his agent gets him that offersheet.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:02

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:33

And now another RFA with similar career stats to Yamamoto, Drake Batherson, signs a 6 year, $29.85M deal.

The prospect of getting Yamamoto for less than $3M just became less likely. I don't see how the Oilers make this work given their cap situation.

And this does not bode well for Puljujarvi at all. His production and career progression is definitely in the range of these 2 signings. If he scores 20-25 goals this season they're going to have to pay him $5M - $6M+, and that's going to be tough for them to make work. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Puljujarvi this season.

https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa-senators-drake-batherson-contract- extension-1.1689345


Might have to just do a 1 year deal with Yams. Unless our hand is forced. Could burn us if Yams rebounds this coming season, but we can't afford to do much else this summer.


I can't see him signing longer right now, unless his agent gets him that offersheet.



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:18

Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:02

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:33

And now another RFA with similar career stats to Yamamoto, Drake Batherson, signs a 6 year, $29.85M deal.

The prospect of getting Yamamoto for less than $3M just became less likely. I don't see how the Oilers make this work given their cap situation.

And this does not bode well for Puljujarvi at all. His production and career progression is definitely in the range of these 2 signings. If he scores 20-25 goals this season they're going to have to pay him $5M - $6M+, and that's going to be tough for them to make work. I wouldn't be surprised to see them move Puljujarvi this season.

https://www.tsn.ca/ottawa-senators-drake-batherson-contract- extension-1.1689345


Might have to just do a 1 year deal with Yams. Unless our hand is forced. Could burn us if Yams rebounds this coming season, but we can't afford to do much else this summer.


I can't see him signing longer right now, unless his agent gets him that offersheet.



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


How smart was Holland to lock up our #1G for 2 years though? Only need a cheap backup with Kostko off the books.

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Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes

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mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:18



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes


The incredible thing about Holland's summer is that he's not only blown our space for this year, but for next year too. Other than critical free agents (one of whom they've let be known they plan on letting play out without trying to re-sign ahead of time), they don't have a lot coming off the books.

Shore got two years. Koekkoek has two years. Ryan got two years. Keith has two years left. Everyone else we signed for even longer. The largest expiring contract next summer outside of Koskinen is Kyle Turris' $1.65MM deal. The only other two UFAs are Josh Archibald (at $1.5MM, and who are we kidding - that deal happens long before they talk turkey with Puljujarvi) and Kris Russell ($1.25MM).

Holland went all in with this roster. We're fully committed to it, to the point where we have almost no flexibility to do anything different. Hopefully next year we can afford a new goalie...

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Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 12:26

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:28

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:18



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes


The incredible thing about Holland's summer is that he's not only blown our space for this year, but for next year too. Other than critical free agents (one of whom they've let be known they plan on letting play out without trying to re-sign ahead of time), they don't have a lot coming off the books.

Shore got two years. Koekkoek has two years. Ryan got two years. Keith has two years left. Everyone else we signed for even longer. The largest expiring contract next summer outside of Koskinen is Kyle Turris' $1.65MM deal. The only other two UFAs are Josh Archibald (at $1.5MM, and who are we kidding - that deal happens long before they talk turkey with Puljujarvi) and Kris Russell ($1.25MM).

Holland went all in with this roster. We're fully committed to it, to the point where we have almost no flexibility to do anything different. Hopefully next year we can afford a new goalie...

I bet he just uses the “hide column” feature on his salary cap spreadsheet. Don’t need to worry about 2022/23 if it’s not there!

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 14:50

Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 12:26

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:28

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:18



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes


The incredible thing about Holland's summer is that he's not only blown our space for this year, but for next year too. Other than critical free agents (one of whom they've let be known they plan on letting play out without trying to re-sign ahead of time), they don't have a lot coming off the books.

Shore got two years. Koekkoek has two years. Ryan got two years. Keith has two years left. Everyone else we signed for even longer. The largest expiring contract next summer outside of Koskinen is Kyle Turris' $1.65MM deal. The only other two UFAs are Josh Archibald (at $1.5MM, and who are we kidding - that deal happens long before they talk turkey with Puljujarvi) and Kris Russell ($1.25MM).

Holland went all in with this roster. We're fully committed to it, to the point where we have almost no flexibility to do anything different. Hopefully next year we can afford a new goalie...

I bet he just uses the “hide column” feature on his salary cap spreadsheet. Don’t need to worry about 2022/23 if it’s not there!


Except how does that work with a paper ledger? I don't think any of those old coots know how to turn on the computer, never mind build an Excel model.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 14:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 14:50

Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 12:26

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:28

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:18



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes


The incredible thing about Holland's summer is that he's not only blown our space for this year, but for next year too. Other than critical free agents (one of whom they've let be known they plan on letting play out without trying to re-sign ahead of time), they don't have a lot coming off the books.

Shore got two years. Koekkoek has two years. Ryan got two years. Keith has two years left. Everyone else we signed for even longer. The largest expiring contract next summer outside of Koskinen is Kyle Turris' $1.65MM deal. The only other two UFAs are Josh Archibald (at $1.5MM, and who are we kidding - that deal happens long before they talk turkey with Puljujarvi) and Kris Russell ($1.25MM).

Holland went all in with this roster. We're fully committed to it, to the point where we have almost no flexibility to do anything different. Hopefully next year we can afford a new goalie...

I bet he just uses the “hide column” feature on his salary cap spreadsheet. Don’t need to worry about 2022/23 if it’s not there!


Except how does that work with a paper ledger? I don't think any of those old coots know how to turn on the computer, never mind build an Excel model.

I bet his kid knows though. Or if not his, Lowe or Messier's kid.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 19:15

Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 14:57

CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 14:50

Adam wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 12:26

Goose wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 11:28

mightyreasoner wrote on Fri, 03 September 2021 10:18



Next summer with Puljujarvi and Yamamoto needing new deals and Nurse's $9M deal kicking in should be a lot of fun! Plus, we still will need a goalie!


That's why I think one or both of Yamamoto won't survive this year with the Oilers. There's just no flexibility to sign them if they're even moderately successful this year. Really glad Duncan Keith's $5.5M will still be on the books next season icon_rolleyes


The incredible thing about Holland's summer is that he's not only blown our space for this year, but for next year too. Other than critical free agents (one of whom they've let be known they plan on letting play out without trying to re-sign ahead of time), they don't have a lot coming off the books.

Shore got two years. Koekkoek has two years. Ryan got two years. Keith has two years left. Everyone else we signed for even longer. The largest expiring contract next summer outside of Koskinen is Kyle Turris' $1.65MM deal. The only other two UFAs are Josh Archibald (at $1.5MM, and who are we kidding - that deal happens long before they talk turkey with Puljujarvi) and Kris Russell ($1.25MM).

Holland went all in with this roster. We're fully committed to it, to the point where we have almost no flexibility to do anything different. Hopefully next year we can afford a new goalie...

I bet he just uses the “hide column” feature on his salary cap spreadsheet. Don’t need to worry about 2022/23 if it’s not there!


Except how does that work with a paper ledger? I don't think any of those old coots know how to turn on the computer, never mind build an Excel model.

I bet his kid knows though. Or if not his, Lowe or Messier's kid.

You've made a strong case for hiring grandchildren.

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