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 Mike
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Wow - doesn't sound like much of a return. But I don't imagine many were willing to give up a lot more than this not knowing how he will come out of his surgery.
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NetBOG
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Flames fans were all fired up to give them Tkachuk + 1st + previous 1st + 2 prospects, Considering this less return, that must have been total BS.
***Edit - Oh, never mind. They are now saying he's damaged goods and they never wanted him anyway.
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Mike
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| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:07 |
Flames fans were all fired up to give them Tkachuk + 1st + previous 1st + 2 prospects, Considering this less return, that must have been total BS.
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I'd say. Seems to me Tkachuk alone > this Vegas package, though I don't really know much about this Krebs kid.
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NetBOG
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$17 million on LTIR with Pacioretty and Eichel.
Who wants to bet me that Eichel's return date won't be on or about May 1st? Thats a completely random date. It can take a while to rehab. If it just happens to fall on the day after the regular season ends, it's just a happy coincidence.
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Kr55
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| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 07:34 |
$17 million on LTIR with Pacioretty and Eichel.
Who wants to bet me that Eichel's return date won't be on or about May 1st? Thats a completely random date. It can take a while to rehab. If it just happens to fall on the day after the regular season ends, it's just a happy coincidence.
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100%. He's gonna Kuch it. Vegas can't afford to take him off LTIR. His recovery will have similar miracle timing.
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:51 |
| NetBOG wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 07:34 |
$17 million on LTIR with Pacioretty and Eichel.
Who wants to bet me that Eichel's return date won't be on or about May 1st? Thats a completely random date. It can take a while to rehab. If it just happens to fall on the day after the regular season ends, it's just a happy coincidence.
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100%. He's gonna Kuch it. Vegas can't afford to take him off LTIR. His recovery will have similar miracle timing.
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Would be a terrible shame if Vegas ended up just outside a playoff spot by the end of April.
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smyth260
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The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
Clean house or bust
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Kr55
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| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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Still a chance Vegas ends up with nothing here though if the risky surgery doesn't work out. One of the crazier trade situations I can ever recall.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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smyth260
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| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:03 |
| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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Still a chance Vegas ends up with nothing here though if the risky surgery doesn't work out. One of the crazier trade situations I can ever recall.
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I suppose. I just think if you are giving up Jack Eichel you have to get something of a first liner or blue chip prospect back. It’s possible that Alex Tuch is the only NHL player Buffalo gets out of this.
Clean house or bust
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Kr55
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| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 11:41 |
| Kr55 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:03 |
| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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Still a chance Vegas ends up with nothing here though if the risky surgery doesn't work out. One of the crazier trade situations I can ever recall.
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I suppose. I just think if you are giving up Jack Eichel you have to get something of a first liner or blue chip prospect back. It’s possible that Alex Tuch is the only NHL player Buffalo gets out of this.
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I'm inclined to believe that the return could have been better too, simply because Buffalo left it up to Kevyn Adams to make one of the most consequential decisions in Sabers history.
They most certainly got nothing close to the value of a healthy Eichel.
Also funny seeing Adams all impressed with himself in an interview after, bragging about how he refused to compromise on the return he wanted back.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
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| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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For a player that might not play this year, probably would never player for the Sabres again, and might not be the same guy when he comes back? It's not bad. I think Tuch is a useful part, Krebs' junior stat line looks pretty ok (that's all I know of him), they get some of that sweet sweet cap space, and magic beans.
Beats the hell out of Hall for Larson.
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 11:06 |
| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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For a player that might not play this year, probably would never player for the Sabres again, and might not be the same guy when he comes back? It's not bad. I think Tuch is a useful part, Krebs' junior stat line looks pretty ok (that's all I know of him), they get some of that sweet sweet cap space, and magic beans.
Beats the hell out of Hall for Larson.
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Philip?
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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CrusaderPi
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 11:12 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 11:06 |
| smyth260 wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 10:53 |
The first rounder is top 10 protected per Dreger.
Awful deal for the Sabres.
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For a player that might not play this year, probably would never player for the Sabres again, and might not be the same guy when he comes back? It's not bad. I think Tuch is a useful part, Krebs' junior stat line looks pretty ok (that's all I know of him), they get some of that sweet sweet cap space, and magic beans.
Beats the hell out of Hall for Larson.
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You can call me whatever you'd like.
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Dragon_Matt
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you are forgetting, teams substantially overvalue first round picks. I bet they don't have that draft pick when the draft actually gets here.
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If Eichel does get the mechanical disk replacement (x2 ?) he was talking about (and it wasn't just a scare tactic) then I'm doubtful he ever plays again, skates off into the sunset, and all Vegas got was 10M in LTIR.
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CrudeRemarks
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 15:17 |
If Eichel does get the mechanical disk replacement (x2 ?) he was talking about (and it wasn't just a scare tactic) then I'm doubtful he ever plays again, skates off into the sunset, and all Vegas got was 10M in LTIR.
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puts a hole in the US Olympic roster, although he was a longshot to be back by then no matter what team he was on.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Adam
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 15:17 |
If Eichel does get the mechanical disk replacement (x2 ?) he was talking about (and it wasn't just a scare tactic) then I'm doubtful he ever plays again, skates off into the sunset, and all Vegas got was 10M in LTIR.
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Apparently both Calgary and Vegas had said they are comfortable with him getting that surgery. I don't know if he's back this year at all.
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I heard that the recovery is 3-5 months. Assuming it's best case scenario and its 3 months, that puts him into February. If you have a neck injury, I am assuming you can't train much if at all. So I'd be stunned if he played a regular season game. I am sure it won't be until playoffs.
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Skookum Jim
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| Adam wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 14:35 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 15:17 |
If Eichel does get the mechanical disk replacement (x2 ?) he was talking about (and it wasn't just a scare tactic) then I'm doubtful he ever plays again, skates off into the sunset, and all Vegas got was 10M in LTIR.
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Apparently both Calgary and Vegas had said they are comfortable with him getting that surgery. I don't know if he's back this year at all.
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I'm thinking he may not come back at all, or if he does its for limited spans and then he calls it a career.
This mechanical disk replacement is not a common procedure, its an option for lumbar disks as well, but rarely used because its so invasive, like getting a mechanical knee joint replacement - for your vertebrae (think about that for a moment), usually as a last resort to eliminate the pain, never mind playing a pro contact sport at the highest level. This surgical procedure has been around for a few years, but the results are still debatable.
https://www.caringmedical.com/prolotherapy-news/cervical-art ificial-disc-replacement/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5821925/
This is a video discussing how even after disc replacement surgery, cervical spine instability is not only present but has been made worse. If I was Eichel, and saw this, I'd be questioning my decision.
Imagine having a couple of these in your neck AND playing pro hockey.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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CrudeRemarks
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 17:03 |
| Adam wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 14:35 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 04 November 2021 15:17 |
If Eichel does get the mechanical disk replacement (x2 ?) he was talking about (and it wasn't just a scare tactic) then I'm doubtful he ever plays again, skates off into the sunset, and all Vegas got was 10M in LTIR.
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Apparently both Calgary and Vegas had said they are comfortable with him getting that surgery. I don't know if he's back this year at all.
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I'm thinking he may not come back at all, or if he does its for limited spans and then he calls it a career.
This mechanical disk replacement is not a common procedure, its an option for lumbar disks as well, but rarely used because its so invasive, like getting a mechanical knee joint replacement - for your vertebrae (think about that for a moment), usually as a last resort to eliminate the pain, never mind playing a pro contact sport at the highest level. This surgical procedure has been around for a few years, but the results are still debatable.
https://www.caringmedical.com/prolotherapy-news/cervical-art ificial-disc-replacement/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5821925/
This is a video discussing how even after disc replacement surgery, cervical spine instability is not only present but has been made worse. If I was Eichel, and saw this, I'd be questioning my decision.
Imagine having a couple of these in your neck AND playing pro hockey.
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They can fix him. They have the technology. 
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Dragon_Matt
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makes you wonder, how much pain is he in right now?
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Adam
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| Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 12:57 |
makes you wonder, how much pain is he in right now?
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Leaving the Buffalo Sabres organization probably goes a long way towards getting relief...
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NetBOG
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| Adam wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 13:20 |
| Dragon_Matt wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 12:57 |
makes you wonder, how much pain is he in right now?
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Leaving the Buffalo Sabres organization probably goes a long way towards getting relief...
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I can only imagine the TMZ story if Taylor Hall played for Vegas when he was 20.
I hope that team has councillors to advise new players on how not to wreck themselves (or their sportscar while driving 156 mph into another vehicle and killing someone).
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Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Trade more is less signals they’re tanking. I could be mistaken but they offloaded talent for a player who might be there for the playoffs. Which are far from certain for the Knights
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CrusaderPi
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 19:34 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Trade more is less signals they’re tanking. I could be mistaken but they offloaded talent for a player who might be there for the playoffs. Which are far from certain for the Knights
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You’re wrong. They offloaded an AHL player with upside and a guy that’s hurt until January for a guy that’s hurt until April(?). The Knights remain exactly the same… which is kind of crappy until stone and patches return.
East of the Rockies and west of the rest.
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Kr55
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| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 06 November 2021 00:09 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
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Lack of a #1C has also been killing a certain team a little southof us for the past however many years too. Which makes Eichel going to Vegas even funnier. Get their hopes up then bam - nope, going somewhere other than C-town.
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Kr55
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 21:12 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 06 November 2021 00:09 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
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Lack of a #1C has also been killing a certain team a little southof us for the past however many years too. Which makes Eichel going to Vegas even funnier. Get their hopes up then bam - nope, going somewhere other than C-town.
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The most vanilla player ever Monahan isn't a #1C? :)
Kidding. Not even Lames fans think that anymore.
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-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
- #2, April 2015
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 22:14 |
| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 21:12 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 06 November 2021 00:09 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
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Lack of a #1C has also been killing a certain team a little southof us for the past however many years too. Which makes Eichel going to Vegas even funnier. Get their hopes up then bam - nope, going somewhere other than C-town.
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The most vanilla player ever Monahan isn't a #1C? :)
Kidding. Not even Lames fans think that anymore.
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Did they, truly, ever? He’s so boring.
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| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 21:09 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
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Seems kinda weird to me looking at a PPG center like Eichel (if he's going to e healthy and 100% at some point), he seems like he's pretty pedestrian in that he'd slot in at 3C on the Oilers, and the gap is pretty huge.
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Kr55
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 23:29 |
| Kr55 wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 21:09 |
| Oscargasm wrote on Fri, 05 November 2021 18:07 |
Am I wrong in thinking Vegas is worse now than they were last week after this trade?
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Lack of #1C has kept killing them. They are going full Vegas and swinging for the fences on this one.
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Seems kinda weird to me looking at a PPG center like Eichel (if he's going to e healthy and 100% at some point), he seems like he's pretty pedestrian in that he'd slot in at 3C on the Oilers, and the gap is pretty huge.
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Indeed he would :) Probably playing wing with Drai.
Don't think Vegas has any shot at at any other young #1C (on any team) for anything close to that price they paid though. Someone like Chia isn't currently GMing. Tough luck.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
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