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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #739018 is a reply to message #727878 ]
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Here we go again.

https://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireStory/70-russian-athletes- face-doping-charges-63808111

"The cases are all linked to a sports academy in central Russia's Chuvashia region, a major center for track and field. RUSADA said many of the athletes were underage when they were given the infusions and some come from cycling, skiing and Paralympic sports.

They come as Russia seeks to have its ban from international track and field lifted in time to field a full team at the world championships in September and October. The Russian track federation has been banned since 2015 for widespread doping, though dozens from the country are allowed to compete as neutral athletes."

Even some Russians admit they are pretending to clean up their act, but in reality still cheating.

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/06/19/athletics-culture- at-odds-with-reinstatement-push-russian-anti-doping-chief-sa ys-a66070

"Enough with appearances. Over the last four years we have presented our athletics as being in a great state," Ganus told a news conference. "We have serious grounds to say that the federation in its current condition cannot be reinstated."




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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #747749 is a reply to message #670334 ]
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Time for an Update on Russia Doping!
HEY GUESS WHAT? SURPRISE! THEY'RE STILL DOPED UP LIKE ITS SOVIET ERA 1972!

WADA is a joke, they got paid off to let Russia back in without admission of guilt, and all they had to do was hand over their new drug tests.. but they didn't, they deleted positives.. its like they didn't even acknowledge WADA had any legitimate authority.

Anyway. Looks Like they'll be banned from the Summer Olympics in Japan, unless of course they pay off the IOC, like they've done many times before, allowing hundreds of Russian athletes that have been "vetted" by WADA (ie. paid off) to compete without a Russian uniform or Russian flag, even though everyone knows they're Russian, and heralded back home. It's a joke. Becki Scott quit WADA over them allowing Russia to get back in without even admitting guilt, at least someone has some character and moral fiber.

https://nationalpost.com/sports/scott-stinson-russia-faces-p ossible-olympic-ban-again-after-doping-scandal-again
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/25/sports/russia-wada-olympi cs.html
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2019/nov/25/wada-recommend -four-year-ban-russia-athletics

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The New York Times reported on Monday that WADA’s compliance and review committee suggested a four-year ban of Russia from all global sports, which would imperil its participation in not just the next two Olympics, but also soccer’s European championship this summer and the World Cup in Qatar in 2022. WADA’s executive committee is expected to adopt the recommendations at a meeting on Dec. 9, according to multiple reports.

These developments are not at all surprising to anyone who has followed this story since Russia’s state-sponsored doping scheme was first exposed in 2015, but they are also a product of WADA’s own making. The anti-doping regulator, which is supposed to be ruthless in its pursuit of clean sport, has a consistent habit of seeking compromise when harsh sanctions are required. Russia was supposed to be following a strict road map to get back into WADA’s good graces after the events that led to its expulsion in Korea, but in the fall of 2018 the anti-doping regulator decided to reinstate Russia on the condition that it hand over thousands of drug-test results and admit the extent of its state-sponsored scheme. Beckie Scott, the Canadian Olympic medallist, resigned her post at WADA over the decision, calling it at the time “a devastating blow to clean sport.”

..But the Russian scandal, backed by mountains of documentary evidence from whistleblowers who were both athletes and scientists, went into the highest reaches of that country’s sport system. Doping efforts are normally secretive and subtle. Russia went the other way, deciding from the top to dope the hell out of anyone who seemed like a medal threat and see what happened. What happened is that Russia topped the medal table at Sochi 2014.

When the anti-doping program is in fact running the precise opposite of that, all the usual avenues of evidence have been utterly corrupted. WADA and the CAS have for years now been trying to apply the normal standards to Russia’s athletes, but they were part of an extraordinarily abnormal doping effort. WADA has been bringing a dull knife to a gun fight.

Perhaps this will all end with Russia being sanctioned in the manner that WADA’s committee is now advising. Perhaps the eventual punishment will be unsparing. Perhaps, but we have been here before. How did that go?...

[Updated on: Mon, 25 November 2019 20:21]


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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #749034 is a reply to message #670334 ]
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Its OFFICIAL Russia banned from competing in the summer Tokyo Olympics, and FIFA 2022 in Quatar (not that they had a sniff of a chance)
Russia just being Russia. Same old, same old.
https://www.dw.com/en/wada-has-banned-russia-again-so-what-h as-actually-changed/a-51586246


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WADA has hit Russia with a four-year ban from major international competitions. However, critics argue that the World Anti-Doping Agency could have and should have done much more.
Craig Reedie, the outgoing president of WADA, looked jaded. Nearly a decade after whispers of a state-sponsored doping scandal in Russia first emerged, and four years after the global anti-doping watchdog initiated its first investigation, Reedie was again on stage defending his organization. He said Russia's latest misdemeanor had demanded a "robust response."

"The decision is designed to punish the guilty parties and send a message that it will not be tolerated," Reedie told a press conference in Lausanne. "For too long, Russian doping has detracted from clean sport."

The punishment, the result of increased powers afforded to WADA in 2018, is the harshest ever handed out to a sporting nation. Among the headline measures, Russia is banned from taking part in the Olympics and other major international competitions for four years. It can’t host any international sporting events during this period or bid for new ones.
Still, some question whether all this goes far enough. RUSADA, Russia's anti-doping agency, was first declared non-compliant with WADA's rules in 2015, just as it has been now. And Russian sportsmen and women who can prove they are untainted by the scandal will still be able to compete as neutrals, just as they did at the past two Olympics. The process of deciding the detail of that is again likely to overshadow the build-up to another Games, this time Tokyo 2020.

Has Anything Changed?

Critics of the decision are asking what exactly has changed since the first non-compliance, pushing instead for a blanket ban, whereby Russian sportspeople wouldn't be allowed to compete under any circumstances.

"I wanted a complete ban," said a visibly disappointed Linda Helleland, WADA's outgoing vice president and often a lone voice in the organization in speaking out against Russia. "This is the biggest sports scandal the world has ever seen."

Calculated Risk

The readmission of RUSADA last September after its first non-compliance was a calculated risk. WADA reasoned that getting its inspectors into the Moscow laboratory so they could access reams of computer data, crucial for building a case against the drug cheats, outweighed any backlash at letting Russia back into the sporting fold before it had fulfilled the reinstatement criteria. In case of non-compliance, it also meant WADA could apply its tougher new powers.

Critics counter that the move backfired. What the inspectors discovered echoed many of the previous misdemeanors. The computer data was altered to remove evidence of positive tests. Blame for the initial scandal was shifted onto others, namely former lab director Grigory Rodchenkov, no saint in this story but the man whose whistleblowing helped WADA broaden its investigation to sports beyond athletics.

Reedie, the man ultimately responsible for protecting clean athletes, has himself been dogged by accusations of going soft on Russia and bowing down to the wishes of the International Olympic Committee, which opposes a blanket ban. Asked by DW if he had any personal regrets, Reedie replied only: "My regret is that we've had to handle it at all." <Ya, he wished the whistleblower never blew the whistle, so he could've just keep looking the other way.. and watching his Swiss bank account..>

'Politicians making the decisions'

Others present at the decision in Lausanne were more forthright. Edwin Moses, a former US Olympic hurdles champion, called the saga "an embarrassment," claiming WADA under its current administration had not stood up for clean athletes.

"Politicians are making the decisions," Moses told DW. "There’s not enough sportspeople involved that are independent and objective. The voice of the athletes, in my opinion, is not heard."

Helleland believes RUSADA should never have been reinstated after Russia obfuscated its way through the aftermath of the doping scandal and sought to frustrate investigators at every turn. She told DW that WADA hadn't done enough.

"The biggest mistake was last year," she said. "We reinstated the Russians without having access to the data. So what did they do? They manipulated, they deleted the data after WADA trusted the Russians. We are paying now for what we did last year. I am still very ashamed and I think that clean athletes and clean sport are suffering."

Refined and Recalibrated Methods

With every investigation came new revelations, each more shocking than the last. Russia refined and recalibrated its cheating methods to avoid detection by WADA. When changing the computer records of positive samples was deemed too risky, the samples themselves were changed, quite literally, as dirty ones were swapped with clean ones through a hole in the wall at the Sochi laboratory.

If that wasn’t brazen enough, the 'clean' samples were mixed with salt and even instant coffee to make them seem more authentic. A gold blend, as one journalist at the time wryly observed.

The observation was born from the truth. Russia topped the medal table at the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi, almost doubling its tally from four years earlier. President Vladimir Putin, already basking in the spotlight of hosting the Games, could boast of his country's sporting prowess on the international stage.

[Updated on: Tue, 10 December 2019 09:59]


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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #749036 is a reply to message #749034 ]
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Sure Russia cheats. But you just have to beat them anyways. I remember a plucky young boxer from Philadelphia who travelled to Russia to fight his nemesis. A beast of a man, who we now know was a drug cheat. They fought on Christmas Day, and not only did the Italian Stallion beat Ivan Drago, he defeated communism at the same time!


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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #749218 is a reply to message #749036 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 December 2019 09:12

Sure Russia cheats. But you just have to beat them anyways. I remember a plucky young boxer from Philadelphia who travelled to Russia to fight his nemesis. A beast of a man, who we now know was a drug cheat. They fought on Christmas Day, and not only did the Italian Stallion beat Ivan Drago, he defeated communism at the same time!


I was pulling for Drago!

In real life he was a pretty smart guy, read he was a Chemical Engineer... smarter still to take a chance and go to Hollywood and make the big bucks!



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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #749226 is a reply to message #749218 ]
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 11 December 2019 18:49

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 December 2019 09:12

Sure Russia cheats. But you just have to beat them anyways. I remember a plucky young boxer from Philadelphia who travelled to Russia to fight his nemesis. A beast of a man, who we now know was a drug cheat. They fought on Christmas Day, and not only did the Italian Stallion beat Ivan Drago, he defeated communism at the same time!


I was pulling for Drago!

In real life he was a pretty smart guy, read he was a Chemical Engineer... smarter still to take a chance and go to Hollywood and make the big bucks!


The story of Dolph Lundgen going from Sweden to Australia to Boston to New York to Hollywood is a pretty interesting one.



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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #749229 is a reply to message #749226 ]
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PlusOne wrote on Wed, 11 December 2019 18:53

Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 11 December 2019 18:49

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 10 December 2019 09:12

Sure Russia cheats. But you just have to beat them anyways. I remember a plucky young boxer from Philadelphia who travelled to Russia to fight his nemesis. A beast of a man, who we now know was a drug cheat. They fought on Christmas Day, and not only did the Italian Stallion beat Ivan Drago, he defeated communism at the same time!


I was pulling for Drago!

In real life he was a pretty smart guy, read he was a Chemical Engineer... smarter still to take a chance and go to Hollywood and make the big bucks!


The story of Dolph Lundgen going from Sweden to Australia to Boston to New York to Hollywood is a pretty interesting one.


Dolph was the live action He-Man!

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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #790658 is a reply to message #670334 ]
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China at it again.. not a confirmed positive .. yet.. but they know what they're up to.. same old same old.. they just dope.. finally get caught.. get better techniques.. come back.. rinse.. repeat..

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/tokyo-olympics/story/tokyo- 2020-china-zhihui-mirabai-chanu-gold-weightlifter-doping-tes t-1832734-2021-07-26



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 02:14

China at it again.. not a confirmed positive .. yet.. but they know what they're up to.. same old same old.. they just dope.. finally get caught.. get better techniques.. come back.. rinse.. repeat..

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/tokyo-olympics/story/tokyo- 2020-china-zhihui-mirabai-chanu-gold-weightlifter-doping-tes t-1832734-2021-07-26

Was watching the women's swim relay and the Chinese blew the WR away. maybe I'm jaded but my initial thought was that they've definitely upgraded their cheating techniques. Not the only ones of course.



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 Re: Russian/Olympic Doping Scandal(s) [message #790804 is a reply to message #790662 ]
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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 08:20

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 02:14

China at it again.. not a confirmed positive .. yet.. but they know what they're up to.. same old same old.. they just dope.. finally get caught.. get better techniques.. come back.. rinse.. repeat..

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/tokyo-olympics/story/tokyo- 2020-china-zhihui-mirabai-chanu-gold-weightlifter-doping-tes t-1832734-2021-07-26

Was watching the women's swim relay and the Chinese blew the WR away. maybe I'm jaded but my initial thought was that they've definitely upgraded their cheating techniques. Not the only ones of course.



Hey, I follow swimming and watched that relay, my first thought as well. They have a long history of performance enhancing drugs (PEDs), especially in women's swimming. China's history is to go all in on PEDs, then testing catches up, they get caught, go away, get a better doping program, and then return.. and it looks like they are back at full crank, their top male swimmer was banned for doping infractions prior to the Olympics, PEDs is a national program in China, whatever it takes to provide glory to the CCP. I suspect their drug of choice for the swimmers is a EPO/ blood doping type variation, time and testing will reveal.

Australian women should have the gold in that relay.

IMO the best Olympic results return Canada could get, for dollar spent, would be to fund research for PED testing development.

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