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For fun and tracking, I thought it may be interesting to get some speculation going. Covid 2 week quarantine makes the Canadian division tough to get guys in after a trade from a US based team. Oilers look to be fairly quiet. I think Kenny will look to try and upgrade the bottom 6 forwards with some size that can still skate decently & try to work in a deal that can maybe set up some salary savings for next year potentially. He will look at the Canadian teams more than normal with no quarantine in trading with them.

My hope trade....

Neal ($5.75 Mill cap x 2 yrs) & Konovalov (Goalie in KHL) to Ottawa for Dadonov ($5 mill cap x 2 yrs) (retain $500K in salary cap to make cap hit $4.5 mill x 2 yrs)

Ottawa has literally no goalie prospects & Konovalov is doing very well in the KHL and might entice them to make this type of move. Also, Dadonov contract is back loaded and pays him $1.5 mill more in the last year than the cap hit does. So it would save some decent $$$ in real salary for them. Buyout of both players is roughly the same in year one & bigger savings in year 2 for Dadonov buyout.

If & a big if I realize, this trade were to happen, Kenny could flip Dadonov in the summer to a team and retain some $$$ to make it happen. My guess would be retaining $1.5 million & send to a team like NJ. That would make him have a cap hit of $3 million for the remaining 2 years of his contract. Pretty good for a guy that can score some goals. Jersey will have a lot of cap space this summer.

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Jakey wrote on Fri, 19 March 2021 09:55

For fun and tracking, I thought it may be interesting to get some speculation going. Covid 2 week quarantine makes the Canadian division tough to get guys in after a trade from a US based team. Oilers look to be fairly quiet. I think Kenny will look to try and upgrade the bottom 6 forwards with some size that can still skate decently & try to work in a deal that can maybe set up some salary savings for next year potentially. He will look at the Canadian teams more than normal with no quarantine in trading with them.

My hope trade....

Neal ($5.75 Mill cap x 2 yrs) & Konovalov (Goalie in KHL) to Ottawa for Dadonov ($5 mill cap x 2 yrs) (retain $500K in salary cap to make cap hit $4.5 mill x 2 yrs)

Ottawa has literally no goalie prospects & Konovalov is doing very well in the KHL and might entice them to make this type of move. Also, Dadonov contract is back loaded and pays him $1.5 mill more in the last year than the cap hit does. So it would save some decent $$$ in real salary for them. Buyout of both players is roughly the same in year one & bigger savings in year 2 for Dadonov buyout.

If & a big if I realize, this trade were to happen, Kenny could flip Dadonov in the summer to a team and retain some $$$ to make it happen. My guess would be retaining $1.5 million & send to a team like NJ. That would make him have a cap hit of $3 million for the remaining 2 years of his contract. Pretty good for a guy that can score some goals. Jersey will have a lot of cap space this summer.

I can dream lol


Maybe better to flush Skinner while he's on the heater right now? We may yet need a goalie of the future...



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Ya true. I would do that for Skinner. He looked real shaky when he played last. Was his first taste of the big leagues, so most guys r a bit nervous. He doesn’t look like a 1A starter at this point, but I don’t know goalies at all. That is voodoo stuff usually. Pick a lot in later rounds and hope 1-2 develop is what a lot of teams do.



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Jakey wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 10:20

Ya true. I would do that for Skinner. He looked real shaky when he played last. Was his first taste of the big leagues, so most guys r a bit nervous. He doesn’t look like a 1A starter at this point, but I don’t know goalies at all. That is voodoo stuff usually. Pick a lot in later rounds and hope 1-2 develop is what a lot of teams do.



That Skinner start simply should not have happened. He's always been a goalie that needs a long development path. Normal circumstances on a team that properly develops players, it's probably 2 more years before he first touches NHL ice.



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My fantasy trade

To edmonton

Gibson
Rackell

To Anaheim
Konovalov
One of bear/jones
22 first
And a choice of lavoie, savoie, broberg or samorukov
And whatever it takes to even out cap



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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 18:55

My fantasy trade

To edmonton

Gibson
Rackell

To Anaheim
Konovalov
One of bear/jones
22 first
And a choice of lavoie, savoie, broberg or samorukov
And whatever it takes to even out cap


In a dream world. The Ducks would target Broberg out of that group and it wouldn’t be close. That would likely mean we try to re-sign Barrie. Not sure how the cap would ever equal out for the trade or after.

Gibson makes us the clear cut favourite in North and a Cup contender moving forward. Holland should be persistently phoning the Ducks every 3 hours.



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I'm sure it would be koski and a chiasson like contract to get things close


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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 20:58

I'm sure it would be koski and a chiasson like contract to get things close


Strangers things have happened, but Gibson would have to want out. If we are going that far, then let’s find a way to Getzlaf in the deal. Lol. Need his big yap to get some ref calls.



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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 21:40

sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 20:58

I'm sure it would be koski and a chiasson like contract to get things close


Strangers things have happened, but Gibson would have to want out. If we are going that far, then let’s find a way to Getzlaf in the deal. Lol. Need his big yap to get some ref calls.


Gibson 0.894 sav% and injured. Ducks tank job is secured and nothing can overcome the power of Eakins, the secret tank weapon.

Still not seeing any reason for the Ducks to move him. They'd have to find a #1 goalie all over again when they finally feel like trying to win again. Gibson can wipe his tears with $100 bills while chilling on the beach while he waits for the rebuild to bear fruit.



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Reports that players comng to Canadian teams will only be required to isolate for 7 days, not 14.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-canadian-governm ent-poised-approve-7-day-quarantine-nhlers/

Trade deadline is April 12.




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Uncle ken needs to move now with this time off


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Thinking about a right shot 3rd line center. Seravelli on TSN stating Glendenning is available and targeted. Kenny knows this guy as he signed him way back when. Bio on TSN says plays hard, skates ok, decent on faceoffs & looks like he is a bit physical as well.

My Hope on this one....

Glendenning (Det retains half of cap). $0.9 K in cap hit with retain $

for

Turris, Marody & a 6th rd pick.

Reasoning....
- Marody will need to be signed and can't clear waivers next year. He is a tweener IMO. Detroit might like what they see and give him a real chance.
- Dump Turris' salary as part of the deal. Maybe Detroit thinks they can squeeze a bit more out of him?
- we gain cap space of $0.750 K this year and dump Turris' $1.65 next year

Worth a shot lol



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sinfulchimp306 wrote on Sat, 20 March 2021 20:58

I'm sure it would be koski and a chiasson like contract to get things close

Koski definately goes out the door somehow if Gibson comes in.



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Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.

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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 07:58

Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.


Jones is better than Bennett. It would be nice to be out from the Turris contract, but I donèt think I take Jones for Bennett to make that happen.



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Adam wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 14:55

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 07:58

Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.


Jones is better than Bennett. It would be nice to be out from the Turris contract, but I donèt think I take Jones for Bennett to make that happen.


A 3rd line of Kass-Bennett-Arch could be a real treat come playoff time... when jones is still sitting in the PB.



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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 19:04

Adam wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 14:55

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 07:58

Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.


Jones is better than Bennett. It would be nice to be out from the Turris contract, but I donèt think I take Jones for Bennett to make that happen.


A 3rd line of Kass-Bennett-Arch could be a real treat come playoff time... when jones is golfing.


Fixed that for you.



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 20:24

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 19:04

Adam wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 14:55

Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 07:58

Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.


Jones is better than Bennett. It would be nice to be out from the Turris contract, but I donèt think I take Jones for Bennett to make that happen.


A 3rd line of Kass-Bennett-Arch could be a real treat come playoff time... when jones is golfing.


Fixed that for you.



Yes! If the trade occurs.

If no trade, he sits in the PB because he isn’t seeing ice time with the Oilers.



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Oscargasm wrote on Sun, 28 March 2021 07:58

Just spitballing here, but a move of Turris and Jones for Sam Bennett could make some sense.

It’s pretty dang close to dollar for dollar. Bennett comes in at 2.55 while the Turris/Jones combo is 2.5.

A hard pass on Bennett for me. Maybe Tippett has some magic to make him a player but anytime I see him play, he does a whole lot of nothing. Doesn't seem to bring a lot of effort, giveaway machine, bad defensively. He thinks he should play more, be higher up in the line up but he doesn't score much. If you listen to Calgary radio, doesn't matter what show, they say the same thing. I am at the point where I think the Oilers need to be done with project players.

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I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.


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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:20

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


I think it's more than geography. I think the Oilers are universally seen as a poorly managed team. If you're an aging veteran who is hoping for one more shot at the Cup, the pieces are here to convince you to take a shot here. We have the two best players in the game after all. If you're looking for your swan song, I think the Cup piece is probably more important than whether you grew up within a couple hundred clicks of the arena.

The only problem is that the Oilers have been a clownshow for so long that you're probably just killing your career if you come here as that aging veteran on a one-year deal. Playing here has killed a lot of careers, and the management will try to bury you on the way out of town in order to try to avoid any level of blame touching themselves.

Some older players do still come to Edmonton - they just often require a premium to do so or they come here because there aren't more attractive opportunities elsewhere. Really, with McDavid and Draisaitl here, we should be winning a lot of those coin tosses.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:20

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


I think it's more than geography. I think the Oilers are universally seen as a poorly managed team. If you're an aging veteran who is hoping for one more shot at the Cup, the pieces are here to convince you to take a shot here. We have the two best players in the game after all. If you're looking for your swan song, I think the Cup piece is probably more important than whether you grew up within a couple hundred clicks of the arena.

The only problem is that the Oilers have been a clownshow for so long that you're probably just killing your career if you come here as that aging veteran on a one-year deal. Playing here has killed a lot of careers, and the management will try to bury you on the way out of town in order to try to avoid any level of blame touching themselves.

Some older players do still come to Edmonton - they just often require a premium to do so or they come here because there aren't more attractive opportunities elsewhere. Really, with McDavid and Draisaitl here, we should be winning a lot of those coin tosses.

I don't buy the whole Oilers management is a clown show crutch that people cling too. It was an issue before, I don't see it as now.

A lot of Eastern born players prefer the Eastern conference. The travel is significantly better. It's not my opinion, it's a proven fact. Many players year after year state they prefer to be in the East and won't consider a West team. So geography is a thing regardless of who's the manager or the fact McD and Leon are on the team. There are players who unless you throw stupid money and term at them, will not come to Edmonton no matter what. So



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 11:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:20

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


I think it's more than geography. I think the Oilers are universally seen as a poorly managed team. If you're an aging veteran who is hoping for one more shot at the Cup, the pieces are here to convince you to take a shot here. We have the two best players in the game after all. If you're looking for your swan song, I think the Cup piece is probably more important than whether you grew up within a couple hundred clicks of the arena.

The only problem is that the Oilers have been a clownshow for so long that you're probably just killing your career if you come here as that aging veteran on a one-year deal. Playing here has killed a lot of careers, and the management will try to bury you on the way out of town in order to try to avoid any level of blame touching themselves.

Some older players do still come to Edmonton - they just often require a premium to do so or they come here because there aren't more attractive opportunities elsewhere. Really, with McDavid and Draisaitl here, we should be winning a lot of those coin tosses.

I don't buy the whole Oilers management is a clown show crutch that people cling too. It was an issue before, I don't see it as now.

A lot of Eastern born players prefer the Eastern conference. The travel is significantly better. It's not my opinion, it's a proven fact. Many players year after year state they prefer to be in the East and won't consider a West team. So geography is a thing regardless of who's the manager or the fact McD and Leon are on the team. There are players who unless you throw stupid money and term at them, will not come to Edmonton no matter what. So


You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?



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You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?

Non-hockey operations, Adam. You're living in an Oilers conspiracy theory. There's NO PROOF Lowe and Nicholson have anything to do with the team.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 12:57


You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?

Non-hockey operations, Adam. You're living in an Oilers conspiracy theory. There's NO PROOF Lowe and Nicholson have anything to do with the team.


Nicholson’s energies are focused on the OEG’s hockey franchises. The Oilers, being a hockey franchise, are one area his energies would be spent. It’s left wide open to interpretation as to how deep his fingers go. Then we have Alternate Governor, Lowe (who shares the same title as Wayne) who works closely with Nicholson and Katz on all aspects of the organization. The proof is there.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:01

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 12:57


You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?

Non-hockey operations, Adam. You're living in an Oilers conspiracy theory. There's NO PROOF Lowe and Nicholson have anything to do with the team.


Nicholson’s energies are focused on the OEG’s hockey franchises. The Oilers, being a hockey franchise, are one area his energies would be spent. It’s left wide open to interpretation as to how deep his fingers go. Then we have Alternate Governor, Lowe (who shares the same title as Wayne) who works closely with Nicholson and Katz on all aspects of the organization. The proof is there.


I suspect that the post your replying to was, in fact, tongue in cheek.

The Oilers media often offers us hints about this. "Lowe isn't part of hockey operations, but it's not like you're not going to use a resource with that level of experience and so he often acts as a sounding board..." or other such nonsense. The same goes for Gretzky. They have the owner's ear and they're running things by committee. They have only hired people they've previously worked with - whether it's Tambellini, MacTavish, Chiarelli or Holland, they are all guys that Lowe and Gretzky have collaborated with before. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm sure for a retirement aged gentleman like Holland, it's nice to have some guys offering to help share the load for him.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 16:04

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:01

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 12:57


You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?

Non-hockey operations, Adam. You're living in an Oilers conspiracy theory. There's NO PROOF Lowe and Nicholson have anything to do with the team.


Nicholson’s energies are focused on the OEG’s hockey franchises. The Oilers, being a hockey franchise, are one area his energies would be spent. It’s left wide open to interpretation as to how deep his fingers go. Then we have Alternate Governor, Lowe (who shares the same title as Wayne) who works closely with Nicholson and Katz on all aspects of the organization. The proof is there.


I suspect that the post your replying to was, in fact, tongue in cheek.

The Oilers media often offers us hints about this. "Lowe isn't part of hockey operations, but it's not like you're not going to use a resource with that level of experience and so he often acts as a sounding board..." or other such nonsense. The same goes for Gretzky. They have the owner's ear and they're running things by committee. They have only hired people they've previously worked with - whether it's Tambellini, MacTavish, Chiarelli or Holland, they are all guys that Lowe and Gretzky have collaborated with before. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm sure for a retirement aged gentleman like Holland, it's nice to have some guys offering to help share the load for him.

I suspect Oscar's post was slightly tongue in cheek too. I agree with everything that was said.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 16:11

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 16:04

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:59

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:01

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 12:57


You do realize that Nicholson and Lowe still work here right? And that they hired a fossil who drove his last team in to the dirt to work with them?

Non-hockey operations, Adam. You're living in an Oilers conspiracy theory. There's NO PROOF Lowe and Nicholson have anything to do with the team.


Nicholson’s energies are focused on the OEG’s hockey franchises. The Oilers, being a hockey franchise, are one area his energies would be spent. It’s left wide open to interpretation as to how deep his fingers go. Then we have Alternate Governor, Lowe (who shares the same title as Wayne) who works closely with Nicholson and Katz on all aspects of the organization. The proof is there.


I suspect that the post your replying to was, in fact, tongue in cheek.

The Oilers media often offers us hints about this. "Lowe isn't part of hockey operations, but it's not like you're not going to use a resource with that level of experience and so he often acts as a sounding board..." or other such nonsense. The same goes for Gretzky. They have the owner's ear and they're running things by committee. They have only hired people they've previously worked with - whether it's Tambellini, MacTavish, Chiarelli or Holland, they are all guys that Lowe and Gretzky have collaborated with before. I don't think that's a coincidence. I'm sure for a retirement aged gentleman like Holland, it's nice to have some guys offering to help share the load for him.

I suspect Oscar's post was slightly tongue in cheek too. I agree with everything that was said.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 11:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:20

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


I think it's more than geography. I think the Oilers are universally seen as a poorly managed team. If you're an aging veteran who is hoping for one more shot at the Cup, the pieces are here to convince you to take a shot here. We have the two best players in the game after all. If you're looking for your swan song, I think the Cup piece is probably more important than whether you grew up within a couple hundred clicks of the arena.

The only problem is that the Oilers have been a clownshow for so long that you're probably just killing your career if you come here as that aging veteran on a one-year deal. Playing here has killed a lot of careers, and the management will try to bury you on the way out of town in order to try to avoid any level of blame touching themselves.

Some older players do still come to Edmonton - they just often require a premium to do so or they come here because there aren't more attractive opportunities elsewhere. Really, with McDavid and Draisaitl here, we should be winning a lot of those coin tosses.

I don't buy the whole Oilers management is a clown show crutch that people cling too. It was an issue before, I don't see it as now.

A lot of Eastern born players prefer the Eastern conference. The travel is significantly better. It's not my opinion, it's a proven fact. Many players year after year state they prefer to be in the East and won't consider a West team. So geography is a thing regardless of who's the manager or the fact McD and Leon are on the team. There are players who unless you throw stupid money and term at them, will not come to Edmonton no matter what. So

Oilers management will remain a clown show until KLowe retires. He's up there, drinking red wine and offering "advice from a real winner" anytime Holland walks by.

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 14:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 11:17

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:20

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 10:07

I hate to say it but Toronto's depth players are the right mix and what we should pursue at this point. offensive talents like big joe and spezza, who are past their peak but can contribute in lessened minutes. Other guys like Galchenyuk, who have scored at the NHL level in the past and are worth a flier. It's no accident they've beaten us all but one time this season.

I think that is where the Leafs have an advantage. With so many players coming from Ontario and them being Leafs fans, they are willing to sign for next to nothing later in their careers to play for the hometown team. The Oilers get a guy like Ennis who don't get me wrong in a bottom 6 role has been decent but player for player, Spezza was way, way better than Ennis ever was. Sure Spezza isn't that fast but the guy still has great hands, lots of skill, great hockey IQ and because of that can make plays and at 700K, how can you go wrong. But he wouldn't play for that anywhere else. They waived him early just so they had roster flexibility and he said he's retire before going anywhere else. Thornton, is the same. Old as hell but still has great hands, lots of skill and great hockey IQ so he can make plays still and at 700K how do you go wrong.

I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


I think it's more than geography. I think the Oilers are universally seen as a poorly managed team. If you're an aging veteran who is hoping for one more shot at the Cup, the pieces are here to convince you to take a shot here. We have the two best players in the game after all. If you're looking for your swan song, I think the Cup piece is probably more important than whether you grew up within a couple hundred clicks of the arena.

The only problem is that the Oilers have been a clownshow for so long that you're probably just killing your career if you come here as that aging veteran on a one-year deal. Playing here has killed a lot of careers, and the management will try to bury you on the way out of town in order to try to avoid any level of blame touching themselves.

Some older players do still come to Edmonton - they just often require a premium to do so or they come here because there aren't more attractive opportunities elsewhere. Really, with McDavid and Draisaitl here, we should be winning a lot of those coin tosses.

I don't buy the whole Oilers management is a clown show crutch that people cling too. It was an issue before, I don't see it as now.

A lot of Eastern born players prefer the Eastern conference. The travel is significantly better. It's not my opinion, it's a proven fact. Many players year after year state they prefer to be in the East and won't consider a West team. So geography is a thing regardless of who's the manager or the fact McD and Leon are on the team. There are players who unless you throw stupid money and term at them, will not come to Edmonton no matter what. So

Oilers management will remain a clown show until KLowe retires. He's up there, drinking red wine and offering "advice from a real winner" anytime Holland walks by.

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I know some people downplay the importance but where the Leafs are crushing the Oilers and it plays a part on the special teams is faceoffs. Khaira and Haas are getting CRUSHED on faceoffs on the PK and it makes a difference. Those vet boys - Thornton & Spezza are clearing up on faceoffs.


Which radio personality did you get that hot take from?

You are like the worst kind of broken record. Just on repeat, same thing coming out over and over again hoping at some point someone agrees with you.

Next time you want to post something about faceoffs ask your self a few questions;
- how many PK faceoffs happen a game?
- how many did the Oilers lose?
- How good is the BEST faceoff guy better than our worst PK C?
- if you take the best in the league and give him the draws of the highest Oiler based on draws taken what is the improvement with his percentage?

This isnt even arguing the importance of faceoffs. That insight is clearly so far out of your realm of understanding it might as well me explained in Swahili.
This is about the fact that the very best would improve our team by a coupledraws a game. The net effect of that on a game is very small.
Yet you still point this out on a regular basis. With the problems that still remain on this team you bang the faceoff drum.

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Anyone else get major Jerred Smithson vibes from these Glendening rumours!?


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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 06:15

Anyone else get major Jerred Smithson vibes from these Glendening rumours!?


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I think the Oilers could use some help with their PK and especially with PK faceoffs. The Oilers PK was really good last year with Sheahan who was excellent on faceoffs but took a dip when he left. the issue with Sheahan was 5 on 5 he was a disaster. So I do not think Glendening is the guy they are looking for because he like Sheahan is not great 5 on 5.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 29 March 2021 13:52

I think the Oilers could use some help with their PK and especially with PK faceoffs. The Oilers PK was really good last year with Sheahan who was excellent on faceoffs but took a dip when he left. the issue with Sheahan was 5 on 5 he was a disaster. So I do not think Glendening is the guy they are looking for because he like Sheahan is not great 5 on 5.


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Athletic article on this. No good news here:

https://theathletic.com/2495514/?redirected=1

Apparently the Oilers aren't willing to trade any of Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway or the 2021 first round pick. They don't have much cap space and don't have a lot of ideas as to how they can get more. They're not in on Taylor Hall. And why?

Well this, according to Daniel Nugent-Bowman:

Quote:

The reason: The Oilers don’t see themselves as a top-five team in the NHL, a truly elite Stanley Cup contender where a player who could be bought with a first-round pick (and potentially more) could push them over the edge. They have been making strides in the Holland era, but there’s more room to go.


This is pretty idiotic thinking - both A) that you need to be a top-flight team in order to strengthen for a playoff run - remember 2006 when the Oilers were the 8th place team in the West and fell two goals short of a Stanley Cup? and B) if you have two of the top five players in the league in the prime of their careers, then you are absolutely a contender. If you aren't that is on management and should be considered a failure by Holland, Lowe, Nicholson and friends.

On top of that, we have assets, especially on defence, that will never be worth as much as they are now. We cannot develop all the LHD in-house, and so we have pieces we SHOULD be looking to move. The first round pick should absolutely be in play. It's going to be in the second half of the first round, and whoever we get won't be worth talking about for years yet. It wasn't ever forecasted to be a deep draft, and now there's all the uncertainty around not seeing most of these kids play this year, so why not move it?

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Adam wrote on Mon, 05 April 2021 11:22

Athletic article on this. No good news here:

https://theathletic.com/2495514/?redirected=1

Apparently the Oilers aren't willing to trade any of Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway or the 2021 first round pick. They don't have much cap space and don't have a lot of ideas as to how they can get more. They're not in on Taylor Hall. And why?

Well this, according to Daniel Nugent-Bowman:

Quote:

The reason: The Oilers don’t see themselves as a top-five team in the NHL, a truly elite Stanley Cup contender where a player who could be bought with a first-round pick (and potentially more) could push them over the edge. They have been making strides in the Holland era, but there’s more room to go.


This is pretty idiotic thinking - both A) that you need to be a top-flight team in order to strengthen for a playoff run - remember 2006 when the Oilers were the 8th place team in the West and fell two goals short of a Stanley Cup? and B) if you have two of the top five players in the league in the prime of their careers, then you are absolutely a contender. If you aren't that is on management and should be considered a failure by Holland, Lowe, Nicholson and friends.

On top of that, we have assets, especially on defence, that will never be worth as much as they are now. We cannot develop all the LHD in-house, and so we have pieces we SHOULD be looking to move. The first round pick should absolutely be in play. It's going to be in the second half of the first round, and whoever we get won't be worth talking about for years yet. It wasn't ever forecasted to be a deep draft, and now there's all the uncertainty around not seeing most of these kids play this year, so why not move it?

I will be annoyed if Holland just stands pat come deadline day next week...


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Adam wrote on Mon, 05 April 2021 11:22

Athletic article on this. No good news here:

https://theathletic.com/2495514/?redirected=1

Apparently the Oilers aren't willing to trade any of Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway or the 2021 first round pick. They don't have much cap space and don't have a lot of ideas as to how they can get more. They're not in on Taylor Hall. And why?

Well this, according to Daniel Nugent-Bowman:

Quote:

The reason: The Oilers don’t see themselves as a top-five team in the NHL, a truly elite Stanley Cup contender where a player who could be bought with a first-round pick (and potentially more) could push them over the edge. They have been making strides in the Holland era, but there’s more room to go.


This is pretty idiotic thinking - both A) that you need to be a top-flight team in order to strengthen for a playoff run - remember 2006 when the Oilers were the 8th place team in the West and fell two goals short of a Stanley Cup? and B) if you have two of the top five players in the league in the prime of their careers, then you are absolutely a contender. If you aren't that is on management and should be considered a failure by Holland, Lowe, Nicholson and friends.

On top of that, we have assets, especially on defence, that will never be worth as much as they are now. We cannot develop all the LHD in-house, and so we have pieces we SHOULD be looking to move. The first round pick should absolutely be in play. It's going to be in the second half of the first round, and whoever we get won't be worth talking about for years yet. It wasn't ever forecasted to be a deep draft, and now there's all the uncertainty around not seeing most of these kids play this year, so why not move it?

I will be annoyed if Holland just stands pat come deadline day next week...


Damn near anything can happen if you get to the final 4. And how could we not think that is in reach this season? We're 100% confident that the Leafs are unbeatable? The team that hasn't won a playoff series since before the iphone existed?

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 Re: Trade Deadline 2021 - Speculation/Proposals [message #781914 is a reply to message #781911 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 05 April 2021 12:19

Adam wrote on Mon, 05 April 2021 11:22

Athletic article on this. No good news here:

https://theathletic.com/2495514/?redirected=1

Apparently the Oilers aren't willing to trade any of Bouchard, Broberg, Holloway or the 2021 first round pick. They don't have much cap space and don't have a lot of ideas as to how they can get more. They're not in on Taylor Hall. And why?

Well this, according to Daniel Nugent-Bowman:

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The reason: The Oilers don’t see themselves as a top-five team in the NHL, a truly elite Stanley Cup contender where a player who could be bought with a first-round pick (and potentially more) could push them over the edge. They have been making strides in the Holland era, but there’s more room to go.


This is pretty idiotic thinking - both A) that you need to be a top-flight team in order to strengthen for a playoff run - remember 2006 when the Oilers were the 8th place team in the West and fell two goals short of a Stanley Cup? and B) if you have two of the top five players in the league in the prime of their careers, then you are absolutely a contender. If you aren't that is on management and should be considered a failure by Holland, Lowe, Nicholson and friends.

On top of that, we have assets, especially on defence, that will never be worth as much as they are now. We cannot develop all the LHD in-house, and so we have pieces we SHOULD be looking to move. The first round pick should absolutely be in play. It's going to be in the second half of the first round, and whoever we get won't be worth talking about for years yet. It wasn't ever forecasted to be a deep draft, and now there's all the uncertainty around not seeing most of these kids play this year, so why not move it?

I will be annoyed if Holland just stands pat come deadline day next week...


Damn near anything can happen if you get to the final 4. And how could we not think that is in reach this season? We're 100% confident that the Leafs are unbeatable? The team that hasn't won a playoff series since before the iphone existed?

Team never fails to disappoint.


It's pretty baffling. Do they think they need to be challenging for the President's Trophy to get a crack at the Stanley Cup?!

Toronto's had their share of slumps this year too and some inconsistent goaltending at times. There's a chance you don't even face them if Price or Hellebucyk were to get hot in Round 1. The team is currently 11th in points, tied for 10th in wins, tied for 6th in goals for (with Toronto) and 12th in goal differential. Oh yeah, and we have the top two scorers in the entire league. The only thing that makes me think we don't stand a chance this year is goaltending - but if the management believes in the netminding then they should be going for it.

And if they don't believe in the goaltending, then they should get a goalie and go for it.



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