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Oh dang. Khaira is lucky that Don Cherry isn't gonna be on the air today

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Good defensive play by Sekera on the PK to deny Dr Drai the opportunity. It’s always nice to see ex-Oilers playing with a chip on their shoulder against their former team.... icon_dead


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Ugh, high glove.


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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:27

Ugh, high glove.

Ugh, more incompetence by the 4th line....



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Khaira scores, so is the world ending? I’m afraid to look... icon_eek


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WHERE THE HELL WAS THE HOLDING THE STICK CALL ON THAT STARS 2-ON-1?!??


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and then Jujhar Hockey shows up.


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Pitiful shift leading to a GA.

But hey, the 4th line has us covered, getting it right back.



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Sweet Jesus what a save and a non-pickup of an open man.


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lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


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Koskinen’s low glove looks pretty good.


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.



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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:40

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.


Yeah, Benning has been solid most of the year. He's just a guy where the bad comes in massive short doses.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:43

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:40

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.


Yeah, Benning has been solid most of the year. He's just a guy where the bad comes in massive short doses.

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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:40

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.



And in that statement we see the underlying problem with most advanced stats. Not all scoring chances, shots, etc are equal.

Anyone who thinks that Benning and Manning have been "spectacular" is likely to meet stiff objection. Benning has been pretty decent on a majority of nights. He has performed just fine as a 3rd pairing guy. Manning on the other hand looks awful almost every time he is on the ice.

Corsi, fenwick or any of the other "fancy stats" are a great analytical tool but if that is the only number that shows a positive for a player odds are it is an anomaly and not an appropriate indicator.



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PlusOne wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:08

NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:40

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.



And in that statement we see the underlying problem with most advanced stats. Not all scoring chances, shots, etc are equal.

Anyone who thinks that Benning and Manning have been "spectacular" is likely to meet stiff objection. Benning has been pretty decent on a majority of nights. He has performed just fine as a 3rd pairing guy. Manning on the other hand looks awful almost every time he is on the ice.

Corsi, fenwick or any of the other "fancy stats" are a great analytical tool but if that is the only number that shows a positive for a player odds are it is an anomaly and not an appropriate indicator.


Benning has been on the ice for 15 GF and 5 GA in 21 games
Manning has been on the ice for 1 GF and 2 GA in 9 games

They don't get scored on, is that fancy enough for you?



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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 16:16

PlusOne wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:08

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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


That was really bad, but both Benning and Manning have quite spectacular defensive numbers on the year.



And in that statement we see the underlying problem with most advanced stats. Not all scoring chances, shots, etc are equal.

Anyone who thinks that Benning and Manning have been "spectacular" is likely to meet stiff objection. Benning has been pretty decent on a majority of nights. He has performed just fine as a 3rd pairing guy. Manning on the other hand looks awful almost every time he is on the ice.

Corsi, fenwick or any of the other "fancy stats" are a great analytical tool but if that is the only number that shows a positive for a player odds are it is an anomaly and not an appropriate indicator.


Benning has been on the ice for 15 GF and 5 GA in 21 games
Manning has been on the ice for 1 GF and 2 GA in 9 games

They don't get scored on, is that fancy enough for you?


1st, to be clear, I wasnt slamming your opinion, just the general use of a single stat to quantify quality of play for a defenceman.
Everything I have read defending any underwhelming D uses one stat. Are the GA numbers against good? Yes, but exactly what I would expect from an average or below average 3rd pairing D that is heavily sheltered on a team that has a decent goal differential number.

How many high danger chances are the giving up per 20 mins played?
How many times have the goalies bailed them out on egregious mistakes?
How often are they starting in the defensive zone?
Which forwards are they playing with?


You used the term spectacular, not me. Do you think they have played spectacular this year? In fact, I will re-phrase as I do think Benning has been ok playing 3rd pairing minutes.

Do you think Manning has been a good player this year?



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


Another turnover and an open look on the next sequence, just tuned and Oilers giving up chances.



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Benning and Gagner didn't have a great first period there.


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 13:37

lol, Benning sees the 2nd man coming in and still decides to go skate for his stick in the corner instead of taking him. Thank goodness for Koskinen pulling of a save of the year candidate.


Thats what you call lack off hockey smarts.. leaves the slot wide open and goes fishing for his stick in the corner..and he's not a rookie.. Makes Bears progress after one summer even more amazing when compared to guys who haven't at all



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Boys boys boys. Holy smokes. What a shift by the top line.


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Just saw a replay of the scrum and Perry hacking Nuge right on the neck, right in front of the ref...typical douche move, nothing from the ref.


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K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 14:53

Just saw a replay of the scrum and Perry hacking Nuge right on the neck, right in front of the ref...typical douche move, nothing from the ref.


Must be nice to know your good buddy is running DoPS. Perry can do whatever he pleases out there.



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Let's be realistic though, what would he tell Corey?


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oilfan94 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:03

Let's be realistic though, what would he tell Corey?

*tweet*...."10, 2 for high sticking"?



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Ok, I’m not going outside, Khaira just scored his 2nd of the game. icon_eek

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I don't want to be mean, but McDavid's GF was standing at the back chatting with her arms crossed in every shot of the wives/GF's selling the toques :)


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Is there a way we could just put a piece of wood over that quarter of the net? Dude would be unstoppable.


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NetBOG wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:10

Is there a way we could just put a piece of wood over that quarter of the net? Dude would be unstoppable.


McDavid/Kassian not caring at all about defense on that goal against. Basically our slot was completely free.

McDavid makes up for it setting up Jujhar Hockey :)



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As well as he plays in the offensive aspects of his game Connor has some room for improvement in his d zone coverage. That goal didn't need to happen.


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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 15:12

Oh dang. Khaira is lucky that Don Cherry isn't gonna be on the air today

https://i.imgur.com/bOBvvb1.gif


Opinions on respectful or not aside, I vote he never takes his helmet off again.



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When you give up two goals to Khaira, you get yanked.


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Archibald is an entertaining player out there. All over the place. Looks like a guy that might get hurt a lot playing like that though.


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Dallas is a very cross-check-y team


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Suomalainen wrote on Sat, 16 November 2019 16:26

Dallas is a very cross-check-y team


Tell this to the refs



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