| Hartikainen signs for UFA in KHL.. [message #600412] |
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Weird, thought he would have been a lock for a bottom 6 role on the Oil.....
Probably couldn't get a 1 way deal.....
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| dkb19 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 13:05 (re: Horcoff) |
He's like a mastercard comercial, alot of what he does is priceless.
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K.McC#24
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That signing is out of left field.....pretty stunning....do you have a link?
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Skoobz
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No big loss. JAG.
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I can't really blame him. It looked, to me, that he'd played himself out of consideration for future planning. As an upside, I called Ufa the Edmonton of Russia during the juniors (isolated, about a million people, lots of oil money) so that's like a promotion.
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K.McC#24
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| Skoobz wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:12 |
No big loss. JAG.
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Not so much for the Oilers, no. My guess is that he and his agent weren't thrilled with his exit interview. I don't know how this is good for his career, unless the KHL good enough in his view.
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Harti seems to be one of those perfect examples where his decision making speed was good enough to be pretty good in the AHL, but just not good enough to be effective in the NHL. His attempt to make any kinds of plays on the Oilers was very frustrating to watch. The effort was always there, but he just didn't know what to do once he stopped facing the boards.
Maybe he will be able to put his game together in the KHL, but I just wasn't seeing it in the NHL. Good luck to him.
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Adam
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| oobga wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 14:30 |
Harti seems to be one of those perfect examples where his decision making speed was good enough to be pretty good in the AHL, but just not good enough to be effective in the NHL. His attempt to make any kinds of plays on the Oilers was very frustrating to watch. The effort was always there, but he just didn't know what to do once he stopped facing the boards.
Maybe he will be able to put his game together in the KHL, but I just wasn't seeing it in the NHL. Good luck to him.
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I would have preferred to see him on the fourth line ahead of Ryan Smyth this year and next year...I do think he's a player who hurt from the decision to bring Smyth back to Edmonton as he got a whole lot less chances the last couple of years even when he was up with the big team. He needed to learn to drive the puck to the net, as opposed to just holding it on the boards Laraque-style, but he's young and there was still a chance of getting him there while he was a part of the team.
There are some warts to his game and there are some things I would have liked to see the team try to work on with him, but him leaving to Russia is a worst case scenario, because we have nothing from the asset now and he was one of the biggest pieces in the Barons' run this spring again. He does have some really good tools, but it's hard to work on bringing him along when he's fled your organization.
I think that he was still in the organization's plans, so this is bad news. You have to wonder why he not just left, but left in a hurry.
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mightyreasoner
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Does he have an out-clause for an NHL deal?
I always thought Harikainen was a little too highly touted around Edmonton. In my opinion, he was a prospect, but far from a sure thing and not necessarily the best option. I think he's pretty replaceable. In any case, he should remain Oilers property I imagine so if he does want to come back to the NHL, the Oilers will have some say in how that happens.
Not a big loss for the Oilers, but agree that it's kind of a puzzling move on Hartikainen's part.
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Adam
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| mightyreasoner wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:20 |
Does he have an out-clause for an NHL deal?
I always thought Harikainen was a little too highly touted around Edmonton. In my opinion, he was a prospect, but far from a sure thing and not necessarily the best option. I think he's pretty replaceable. In any case, he should remain Oilers property I imagine so if he does want to come back to the NHL, the Oilers will have some say in how that happens.
Not a big loss for the Oilers, but agree that it's kind of a puzzling move on Hartikainen's part.
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I would agree with K.McC24, there was something he didn't like about what the Oilers were telling him at the exit interview, because I think he's waivers-eligible for next season, so if he'd come back the Oilers would have had to keep him on the big club or lose him. Must have been management giving the message too, since he made this move after Krueger was fired, so if he thought it was the coach holding him back, he'd have at least looked to have a clean slate.
The timing of this is funny...you'd have thought he'd at least try to solicit an offer sheet or something before skipping town, but maybe Ufa offered up big bucks comparatively?
Once again though, I think this is a sign that there's something rotten here. I hope they can clear it all up.
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No Adam, everything is fine. The Oilers are, and continue to be, a top flight, WELL MANAGED, professional hockey organization. Pay no attention to the curtain over there and the smoldering ruins of the past decade of hockey. All part of the plan. And the plan is good.
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Adam
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:48 |
No Adam, everything is fine. The Oilers are, and continue to be, a top flight, WELL MANAGED, professional hockey organization. Pay no attention to the curtain over there and the smoldering ruins of the past decade of hockey. All part of the plan. And the plan is good.
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That's an excellent point. I'm sorry I doubted.
In fact, I bet Lowe actually even planned this one out. He jedi-mind tricked Hartikainen in to leaving, so that they didn't have to go through the trouble of trading him or not qualifying him.
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halfafrog
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Hartikainen's new Agent is Mike Comrie.....
I jest of course.
So this is what hope feels like?
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:48 |
No Adam, everything is fine. The Oilers are, and continue to be, a top flight, WELL MANAGED, professional hockey organization. Pay no attention to the curtain over there and the smoldering ruins of the past decade of hockey. All part of the plan. And the plan is good.
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Terrible for a decade... that counts as a dynasty correct?
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nullterm
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Meh. 3 years of bouncing between the NHL and AHL. He had the physical tools, but motivation and consistency wasn't there.
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| nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 14:23 |
Meh. 3 years of bouncing between the NHL and AHL. He had the physical tools, but motivation and consistency wasn't there.
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Agreed. I liked him when we first saw him in Oilers blue, but he never really grew as a player. Too bad.
Was MacT fired?
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| Mars wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 16:31 |
| nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 14:23 |
Meh. 3 years of bouncing between the NHL and AHL. He had the physical tools, but motivation and consistency wasn't there.
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Agreed. I liked him when we first saw him in Oilers blue, but he never really grew as a player. Too bad.
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Yeah, this get a big who cares from me as well. I very much doubt it has anything to do with anything other than playing time and money. Europeans go to Europe all the time.
Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
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Mike
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| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:54 |
Europeans go to Europe all the time.
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It's true. It's crazy how many Europeans I run into in Germany, France, Italy....
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CrusaderPi
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Don't stereotype. This isn't 1960.
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hmc
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:37 |
| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:54 |
Europeans go to Europe all the time.
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It's true. It's crazy how many Europeans I run into in Germany, France, Italy....
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Could I have worded that better, or are you just being pedantic?
Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
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Mike
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| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 18:44 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:37 |
| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:54 |
Europeans go to Europe all the time.
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It's true. It's crazy how many Europeans I run into in Germany, France, Italy....
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Could I have worded that better, or are you just being pedantic?
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LOL - pedantic? No - was just trying to be funny. Apparently I failed. I sit down two minute now and feel shame.
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hmc
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| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:46 |
| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 18:44 |
| Mike wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:37 |
| hmc wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 17:54 |
Europeans go to Europe all the time.
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It's true. It's crazy how many Europeans I run into in Germany, France, Italy....
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Could I have worded that better, or are you just being pedantic?
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LOL - pedantic? No - was just trying to be funny. Apparently I failed. I sit down two minute now and feel shame.
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I think the shame is mine. I meant facetious.
ETA: Or I'm having a stroke. Having difficulty with word choice.
Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
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| nullterm wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:23 |
Meh. 3 years of bouncing between the NHL and AHL. He had the physical tools, but motivation and consistency wasn't there.
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He just didn't develop, had the schtick where he faces the boards and plays keep away in the corner, but then would just cough it up, no shot, no pass; and that was about it. For his vaunted size, not a real physical presence out there, don't remember him making a lot of hits. Too little too late. Plus it sounds like McT won't be wasting any bottom six roster spots on guys that don't want to lay it all on the line, every shift. Harti had another year in the AHL before he'd get a sniff in the NHL again, if he improved, him and his agent probably saw the writing on the wall, decided to get some bigger $ in the Kay.
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| Prophet wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 14:16 |
| CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 10 June 2013 13:48 |
No Adam, everything is fine. The Oilers are, and continue to be, a top flight, WELL MANAGED, professional hockey organization. Pay no attention to the curtain over there and the smoldering ruins of the past decade of hockey. All part of the plan. And the plan is good.
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Terrible for a decade... that counts as a dynasty correct?
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That's funny. 2007-????. THE NEW OILERS DYNASTY! 7 years and counting!
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mightyreasoner
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Someone else pointed this out over on Twitter, but it's something I hadn't really thought of... but Hartikainen signing in the KHL may be a good thing for the Oilers organization.
IMO, Hartikainen hadn't shown enough to be gift-wrapped an NHL spot and in his callups last season, he hadn't really impressed. In my view, he should have started next year in OKC and developed some consistency down there. Problem was, he would have to clear waivers and the Oilers would risk losing him.
By signing in the KHL he gets another year of development without having to clear waivers, the Oilers keep his rights, and Smyth's contract will be up if the Oilers want to bring him back over here next season. If he's a player, he should be able to continue to work on his game this year and perhaps will impress enough to get a shot with the Oil in 2014-2015 (or maybe not... the larger ice may not help him learn to take the puck from the boards to the net).
Maybe I'm just kind of in an optimistic mood today, but I'm not really lamenting today for the Oilers.
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Upside Part II:
More room for the Oilers's best prospect, Linus Omark.
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halfafrog
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Yes. Omark, Hartikainen. All products of the Oilers (under)development program that creates such wonderful players.
So this is what hope feels like?
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@Bob_Stauffer says the #Oilers were only going to offer Hartikainen a two-way deal.
So I guess Hartikainen didn't want to take a chance that he'd play badly and get sent down with the lower payday. He took the guaranteed money of the KHL.
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Adam
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| v4ance wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 16:04 |
@Bob_Stauffer says the #Oilers were only going to offer Hartikainen a two-way deal.
So I guess Hartikainen didn't want to take a chance that he'd play badly and get sent down with the lower payday. He took the guaranteed money of the KHL.
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Does it matter? I thought he was going to have to face waivers next year anyhow?
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| Adam wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 15:10 |
| v4ance wrote on Tue, 18 June 2013 16:04 |
@Bob_Stauffer says the #Oilers were only going to offer Hartikainen a two-way deal.
So I guess Hartikainen didn't want to take a chance that he'd play badly and get sent down with the lower payday. He took the guaranteed money of the KHL.
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Does it matter? I thought he was going to have to face waivers next year anyhow?
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Still sounds like it was probably a mutual decision. He clearly wasn't ready. The Oilers keep his rights this way, don't they? What's not to like? He might even have an out clause in his contract.
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