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 OilFans
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Location: Edmonton
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Maurice
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Nice to see cogliano doing what he does best. Stand around watching the other team score a goal.
Cogliano is not and will never be a valuable part of the Edmonton Oilers. The day he is no longer on the Oilers NHL roster is the day they turn the corner to being a good team.
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Babaganoosh
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Location: Medicine Hat,AB
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Looks like I will be taking numbers off the trackers tonight.
[Updated on: Tue, 22 March 2011 18:28]
" If you have anything good to say, say it off!"
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Regulator
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wow - this is really hard to watch - how far behind the rest of the league are we - brutal pk system again
| dkb19 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 13:05 (re: Horcoff) |
He's like a mastercard comercial, alot of what he does is priceless.
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v4ance
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Location: Calgary
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| Maurice wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 18:18 |
Nice to see cogliano doing what he does best. Stand around watching the other team score a goal.
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You got no clue.
Cogliano skated back hard on the backcheck to cover Joel Ward. As Erat came over the blue line along the boards, he was covered by Eberle but Erat still got the pass through to the middle/high slot to Legwand. Cogliano held his position in the shooting lane but Legwand made a good fake shot/pass to Joel Ward who went out wide by the goal line.
Eberle was most at fault on the goal because he let Erat go after crossing the blue line. He also accidentally tripped Vandermeer who was going back to try and cover the front of the net. Vandermeer got back up and almost recovered to stop the pass across to Erat but was a fraction of a second too late.
If you're gonna hammer Cogliano, at least try to stay with reality. Criticize him for actual deficiencies in his game, like his inability to convert prime scoring opportunities or getting flustered and consistently bobbling the puck in the offensive zone or even his faceoff (in)ability.
[Updated on: Wed, 23 March 2011 00:57]
Jordan Eberle on his goal scoring: "A lot of guys joke that I have a muffin. Well, it's an accurate muffin, and that's all that counts."
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| v4ance wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 00:54 |
| Maurice wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 18:18 |
Nice to see cogliano doing what he does best. Stand around watching the other team score a goal.
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You got no clue.
Cogliano skated back hard on the backcheck to cover Joel Ward. As Erat came over the blue line along the boards, he was covered by Eberle but Erat still got the pass through to the middle/high slot to Legwand. Cogliano held his position in the shooting lane but Legwand made a good fake shot/pass to Joel Ward who went out wide by the goal line.
Eberle was most at fault on the goal because he let Erat go after crossing the blue line. He also accidentally tripped Vandermeer who was going back to try and cover the front of the net. Vandermeer got back up and almost recovered to stop the pass across to Erat but was a fraction of a second too late.
If you're gonna hammer Cogliano, at least try to stay with reality. Criticize him for actual deficiencies in his game, like his inability to convert prime scoring opportunities or getting flustered and consistently bobbling the puck in the offensive zone or even his faceoff (in)ability.
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Haha, I think you slammed Cogs harder than the OP not to say he doesn't deserve it 
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TJ39
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Registered: May 2002
Location: British Columbia
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Very hard to watch. I feel like I am watching a farm team play against NHL teams year after year. Another season that was not.
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Prophet
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Registered: June 2002
Location: Calgary
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| TJ39 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 19:08 |
Very hard to watch. I feel like I am watching a farm team play against NHL teams year after year. Another season that was not.
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That's not fair.
There are teams in the AHL way better than this.
"They will play what I tell them to play, for I am the mayor of Albuquerque"
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Paajarvi
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Oilers will never become a playoff team with Cogliano in the lineup.
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| Paajarvi wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 19:41 |
Oilers will never become a playoff team with Cogliano in the lineup.
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Agreed. Of the Heatley trade falling through, I was most disappointed with us not unloading Cogs. 
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Maurice
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| Paajarvi wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 19:41 |
Oilers will never become a playoff team with Cogliano in the lineup.
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Bang on buddy. 
Cogliano is not and will never be a valuable part of the Edmonton Oilers. The day he is no longer on the Oilers NHL roster is the day they turn the corner to being a good team.
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hmc
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Registered: May 2008
Location: Toronto
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| TJ39 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 21:08 |
Very hard to watch. I feel like I am watching a farm team play against NHL teams year after year. Another season that was not.
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At game 73 this isn't news. Were you expecting better out of our team tonight? The team that pretty much IS an AHL team.
Then I'll just regress, because I feel I've made myself perfectly redundant.
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TJ39
Messages: 1219
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Location: British Columbia
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I guess they shouldn't always be so quick to trade away our actual NHL players and also they should try and sign some guys in the summer that can actually play.
No excuses for this travesty. Yet another year out of the playoffs.
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Skookum Jim
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Registered: March 2006
Location: Burnaby, BC
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| hmcewan wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 18:50 |
| TJ39 wrote on Tue, 22 March 2011 21:08 |
Very hard to watch. I feel like I am watching a farm team play against NHL teams year after year. Another season that was not.
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At game 73 this isn't news. Were you expecting better out of our team tonight? The team that pretty much IS an AHL team.
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I'm thinking more like ECHL ....
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Regulator
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As long as the fans keep showing up to games (because there is no other sports entertainment competition in Edm) - the owner will still make his money and it doesn't matter what happens on the ice. Do you think in places like Nashville, Anaheim etc being so bad for so long will be tolerated? No, because fans will stop showing up and money will be lost.
Problem is, we are part of such a strong hockey market that what happens on the ice doesn't effect what happens off the ice financially wise. I would much rather be a fan of a team where they are both connected, so heads roll when results are not seen and we will always be competitive.
The ownership / management etc tolerates losing year after year because they can - no threat of losing money. How many other franchises are worst in the league two years running, and probably overall for five years yet everyone has a job - brutal.
| dkb19 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 13:05 (re: Horcoff) |
He's like a mastercard comercial, alot of what he does is priceless.
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Mike
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Registered: August 2005
Location: Moncton, New Brunswick
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I'm a hardcore fan, and am OK with another top 2 pick this year, but for me, this has to be it. I've had enough. 5 years without playoffs after getting to game 7 is a long freaking time.
It needed to be done - we were stuck in mediocrity for 10+ years. The team needed to be gutted. Unfortunately we're stuck with one of the biggest boat anchors in the league, but, with the likes of Hall, Eberle, Paajrvi, Omark, Whitney, Hemsky, and this year's pick, it's time to start being competitive again. A lot of these players have not played a meaningful game in their career - how long before losing just becomes a culture and accepted? At the very least a push for the playoffs next year is a must.
And to your point - Renney, Tambellini and Lowe are feeling ZERO heat right now. It's all "part of the plan". They went into this year with no worries about their jobs at all. How many more years will that be the case? 1 more? 2? 5?
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Regulator
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| Mike wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 11:04 |
And to your point - Renney, Tambellini and Lowe are feeling ZERO heat right now. It's all "part of the plan". They went into this year with no worries about their jobs at all. How many more years will that be the case? 1 more? 2? 5?
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That's what I am worried about the most. How long is the 'plan' for? Remember when Klowe was on HNIC in Canada as said something about a 7 year rebuild? So if this is year 1.......
When is enough enough? When is the excuses of young players etc no longer valid? I see a team like Islanders or even the Leafs to a lesser extent, arguably less quality on the ice than we have, yet far better consistant results.
I agree with you, if we are in a similar position next year at this time, people's heads have to roll and a new coaching staff has to be brought in to work with this team.
| dkb19 wrote on Mon, 20 July 2009 13:05 (re: Horcoff) |
He's like a mastercard comercial, alot of what he does is priceless.
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marinermoose
Messages: 456
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Location: Sherwood Park
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| Regulator wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 11:15 |
| Mike wrote on Wed, 23 March 2011 11:04 |
And to your point - Renney, Tambellini and Lowe are feeling ZERO heat right now. It's all "part of the plan". They went into this year with no worries about their jobs at all. How many more years will that be the case? 1 more? 2? 5?
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That's what I am worried about the most. How long is the 'plan' for? Remember when Klowe was on HNIC in Canada as said something about a 7 year rebuild? So if this is year 1.......
When is enough enough? When is the excuses of young players etc no longer valid? I see a team like Islanders or even the Leafs to a lesser extent, arguably less quality on the ice than we have, yet far better consistant results.
I agree with you, if we are in a similar position next year at this time, people's heads have to roll and a new coaching staff has to be brought in to work with this team.
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Sure, Pittsburgh and Chicago went through (pretty well) exactly what we're going through. And look at them now!
Thing is, Florida and Atlanta went through (pretty well) exactly what we're going through. And look at them now!
I acknowledge that this re-build was completely necessary. But I also acknowledge the risk involved. In 3/4/5 years we could be just like the Penguins or the Blackhawks. Or, in 3/4/5 years we could be just like the Panthers or the Thrashers. Or, we could be somewhere in the middle too.
First things first, we needed to finish bad enough for 2 or 3 years to accumulate some really high-end talent through the draft. Paajarvi in '09, Hall in '10, and (hopefully) whoever we pick in the 1 or 2 spot this year, is a great foundation to build from. We also got lucky nabbing Eberle at 22 in '08 - you do that draft over again, 3 years later, and he probably goes top-5. We also got lucky with some later picks recently that should turn into decent players. Hamilton and Marincin both have a pretty good shot, IMO, at being good NHL players.
The first phase of this re-build, involving solid and high-end drafting, appears to have gone pretty well. The next phase(s), consisting of development and team management (i.e. surrounding our core with good role and 'bit' players) is critical to "get right" if we want to become like the Pens or Hawks, and not the Panthers, Thrashers, or Islanders.
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eedok
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Location: Edmonton
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We could be closer to the hawks than we realize, as if memory serves correctly they had to rebuild twice to get it right, the question is are we willing to sit through Oilers hockey that looks like Hawks hockey from 1997-2007?
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