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This one just comes down to effort. Blues provided it, Oilers mysteriously resting on the laurels of a sub-.500 record and a 1 game winning streak.

Effing pathetic, to a man, outside of Talbot, without whom it would be 8-1 after that 2nd period.



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That sucked. Once again we finish the 1st starting to play decent, and manage to turn into turds over the intermission. Many reasons why it can happen (self satisfaction, other team adjusting and we have no answer, whatever), but all that matters is the result, and usually it's crap.

And the 1st line continues to be McDavid and Drai competing for who can look the cutest with the puck. Take charge a little guys. Works against crap teams for sure, and 3v3, but not quite as well at evens against solid teams. Maroon is the only guy on that line that seems to still have a good sense on when you should shoot or pass. McLellan just can't get off his McDavid/Drai line addiction. He's shooting up again right now to get ready for the next game.

And Gryba was he usual momentum killing self. Any time we are building up some steam, nothing kills it like a Gryba shift and fire drill in our end. But hey, all that matters is that we don't make Gryba sit too long and get stale. That's the most important thing.

And stop gifting Letestu PP time. He looks like a moron out there. Can't even make simple passes.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 21:33

That sucked. Once again we finish the 1st starting to play decent, and manage to turn into turds over the intermission. Many reasons why it can happen (self satisfaction, other team adjusting and we have no answer, whatever), but all that matters is the result, and usually it's crap.

And the 1st line continues to be McDavid and Drai competing for who can look the cutest with the puck. Take charge a little guys. Works against crap teams for sure, and 3v3, but not quite as well at evens against solid teams. Maroon is the only guy on that line that seems to still have a good sense on when you should shoot or pass. McLellan just can't get off his McDavid/Drai line addiction. He's shooting up again right now to get ready for the next game.

And Gryba was he usual momentum killing self. Any time we are building up some steam, nothing kills it like a Gryba shift and fire drill in our end. But hey, all that matters is that we don't make Gryba sit too long and get stale. That's the most important thing.

And stop gifting Letestu PP time. He looks like a moron out there. Can't even make simple passes.


For some reason, the coach believes that PP time is a reward. We've seen this since the first season. If you're a talented player who has some warts on your game, you don't get powerplay time. It makes no sense, because it's where you could build confidence with a young player, and playing a third liner over them probably hurts your chances of scoring.

But we saw it with Yakupov, we saw it with Schultz - first punishment he got from McLellan when he struggled was bumped off PP1 - saw it with Eberle (who's PP scoring rate was actually quite good on both PP1 and PP2, despite the narrative that was pushed). Despite his scoring issues last year, and his history of scoring with all of Eberle, Nuge, McDavid, Pouliot saw his PP minutes steeply curtailed. We have seen little power play time for Puljujarvi, despite having a hard shot and shooting right and he's never seen a second with the top unit.

Caggiula has seen more PP time/game than Yamamoto did in his time here, and Jokinen got almost the same amount.

And then there's the veterans. Letestu's been forcefed minutes. Lucic has done NOTHING on the PP this year. He had a slow start last year too, and the team will not move him off that top unit.

McLellan's big shuffle was to put Caggiula on the first unit and move Draisaitl to PP2...as if that was likely to be the solution to the woes.

I think at this point it's becoming clear that McLellan is under-achieving badly as the coach. Has he managed to lose the room already? Strange, you'd think they'd all love the guy who publicly dissects all their mistakes in each post-game scrum...



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 Re: Review: St. Louis @ Edmonton (Game #19) [message #702790 is a reply to message #702775 ]
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Adam wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 21:33

That sucked. Once again we finish the 1st starting to play decent, and manage to turn into turds over the intermission. Many reasons why it can happen (self satisfaction, other team adjusting and we have no answer, whatever), but all that matters is the result, and usually it's crap.

And the 1st line continues to be McDavid and Drai competing for who can look the cutest with the puck. Take charge a little guys. Works against crap teams for sure, and 3v3, but not quite as well at evens against solid teams. Maroon is the only guy on that line that seems to still have a good sense on when you should shoot or pass. McLellan just can't get off his McDavid/Drai line addiction. He's shooting up again right now to get ready for the next game.

And Gryba was he usual momentum killing self. Any time we are building up some steam, nothing kills it like a Gryba shift and fire drill in our end. But hey, all that matters is that we don't make Gryba sit too long and get stale. That's the most important thing.

And stop gifting Letestu PP time. He looks like a moron out there. Can't even make simple passes.


For some reason, the coach believes that PP time is a reward. We've seen this since the first season. If you're a talented player who has some warts on your game, you don't get powerplay time. It makes no sense, because it's where you could build confidence with a young player, and playing a third liner over them probably hurts your chances of scoring.

But we saw it with Yakupov, we saw it with Schultz - first punishment he got from McLellan when he struggled was bumped off PP1 - saw it with Eberle (who's PP scoring rate was actually quite good on both PP1 and PP2, despite the narrative that was pushed). Despite his scoring issues last year, and his history of scoring with all of Eberle, Nuge, McDavid, Pouliot saw his PP minutes steeply curtailed. We have seen little power play time for Puljujarvi, despite having a hard shot and shooting right and he's never seen a second with the top unit.

Caggiula has seen more PP time/game than Yamamoto did in his time here, and Jokinen got almost the same amount.

And then there's the veterans. Letestu's been forcefed minutes. Lucic has done NOTHING on the PP this year. He had a slow start last year too, and the team will not move him off that top unit.

McLellan's big shuffle was to put Caggiula on the first unit and move Draisaitl to PP2...as if that was likely to be the solution to the woes.

I think at this point it's becoming clear that McLellan is under-achieving badly as the coach. Has he managed to lose the room already? Strange, you'd think they'd all love the guy who publicly dissects all their mistakes in each post-game scrum...


But it makes perfect sense if you think playing the "right way" is the key to success. The more guys playing the right way you have out on the ice at any given moment, the better off you are.

Still struggling to figure out what the "right way" is though. Trying to focus on Caggiula mainly to figure it out now. He seems to have cracked the code like Eakins cracked the Corsi code. Scoring "right way" points left and right with no tangible results that any of us ordinary folks are able to see.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:52

Adam wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:17

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 21:33

That sucked. Once again we finish the 1st starting to play decent, and manage to turn into turds over the intermission. Many reasons why it can happen (self satisfaction, other team adjusting and we have no answer, whatever), but all that matters is the result, and usually it's crap.

And the 1st line continues to be McDavid and Drai competing for who can look the cutest with the puck. Take charge a little guys. Works against crap teams for sure, and 3v3, but not quite as well at evens against solid teams. Maroon is the only guy on that line that seems to still have a good sense on when you should shoot or pass. McLellan just can't get off his McDavid/Drai line addiction. He's shooting up again right now to get ready for the next game.

And Gryba was he usual momentum killing self. Any time we are building up some steam, nothing kills it like a Gryba shift and fire drill in our end. But hey, all that matters is that we don't make Gryba sit too long and get stale. That's the most important thing.

And stop gifting Letestu PP time. He looks like a moron out there. Can't even make simple passes.


For some reason, the coach believes that PP time is a reward. We've seen this since the first season. If you're a talented player who has some warts on your game, you don't get powerplay time. It makes no sense, because it's where you could build confidence with a young player, and playing a third liner over them probably hurts your chances of scoring.

But we saw it with Yakupov, we saw it with Schultz - first punishment he got from McLellan when he struggled was bumped off PP1 - saw it with Eberle (who's PP scoring rate was actually quite good on both PP1 and PP2, despite the narrative that was pushed). Despite his scoring issues last year, and his history of scoring with all of Eberle, Nuge, McDavid, Pouliot saw his PP minutes steeply curtailed. We have seen little power play time for Puljujarvi, despite having a hard shot and shooting right and he's never seen a second with the top unit.

Caggiula has seen more PP time/game than Yamamoto did in his time here, and Jokinen got almost the same amount.

And then there's the veterans. Letestu's been forcefed minutes. Lucic has done NOTHING on the PP this year. He had a slow start last year too, and the team will not move him off that top unit.

McLellan's big shuffle was to put Caggiula on the first unit and move Draisaitl to PP2...as if that was likely to be the solution to the woes.

I think at this point it's becoming clear that McLellan is under-achieving badly as the coach. Has he managed to lose the room already? Strange, you'd think they'd all love the guy who publicly dissects all their mistakes in each post-game scrum...


But it makes perfect sense if you think playing the "right way" is the key to success. The more guys playing the right way you have out on the ice at any given moment, the better off you are.

Still struggling to figure out what the "right way" is though. Trying to focus on Caggiula mainly to figure it out now. He seems to have cracked the code like Eakins cracked the Corsi code. Scoring "right way" points left and right with no tangible results that any of us ordinary folks are able to see.


Man, given what Krueger squeezed out of that lock-out team, I sure would not mind him behind the bench right about now... At the end of the day, most of the coaches job is motivation. At this level, everyone more or less knows the systems, where to be and what to do, so it is mostly a matter of keeping them focused on the details while simultaneously keeping them motivated and constructively self-critical. Krueger seemed to be really good at that and managed to squeeze a lot out of players. I don't think TMac is able (or willing) to build that kind of a relationship with the players.

I also find it contradictory when coaches talk about "the right way"... seems like they say right around the time they say something akin to, "there's no one way to score goals / win games in this league."



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:52


But it makes perfect sense if you think playing the "right way" is the key to success. The more guys playing the right way you have out on the ice at any given moment, the better off you are.

Still struggling to figure out what the "right way" is though. Trying to focus on Caggiula mainly to figure it out now. He seems to have cracked the code like Eakins cracked the Corsi code. Scoring "right way" points left and right with no tangible results that any of us ordinary folks are able to see.


In an attempt to help you crack this code, I've looked at the quotes from Todd McLellan following last night's game:

Quote:

"We were stubborn about those east-west lanes as you enter the zone," coach Todd McLellan said.

"We kept wanting to go to them and wanting to go to them, instead of using the end zone of the rink and trying to play off the goaltender's pads a little bit. So our stubbornness got us a bit there, and as a result we didn't spend much time in the offensive zone, and that leads to frustration."


Nope, I got nothing.



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I thought Puljujarvi was great tonight.

Even after he was demoted for making one mistake in a game where he had a hundred touches.

This coach loves his vets. Errant passes all night, but that’s okay, I’ll just pick on the 19 year old.

I’m beginning to loathe this coach.



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g2k wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:50

I thought Puljujarvi was great tonight.

Even after he was demoted for making one mistake in a game where he had a hundred touches.

This coach loves his vets. Errant passes all night, but that’s okay, I’ll just pick on the 19 year old.

I’m beginning to loathe this coach.

^^^^ if only this page had a like button...how many mins did Pakarinen get?



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McLellan decided that giving Pakarinen and Caggiula looks on the 2nd line was the spark the team needed.

He's coaching while high.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:03

McLellan decided that giving Pakarinen and Caggiula looks on the 2nd line was the spark the team needed.

He's coaching while high.

Gregor commenting in the post game scrum to coach Todd how good the 3rd line looked after he made the adjustment.

It wasn’t a stroke of genius, it was a demotion.



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I feel like this is how it’s going to be for the rest of the season. Unless they get entirely healthy and axe the coaching staff mid season, they will plod along without ever really getting on a roll.

It’s a tough league, with a lot of parity..

The thing I’m most frustrated about is the lack of entertainment value along with a consistent effort. I can deal with the losses no problem, there’s just something about the way they lose... the way this team plays that rubs me the wrong.

Fire McLellan!

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Someone remind mcdavid and drai they ain't playing NHL 99. Pathetic effort from the 20 million dollar duo.


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Someone remind mcdavid and drai they ain't playing NHL 99. Pathetic effort from the 20 million dollar duo.


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:46

Someone remind mcdavid and drai they ain't playing NHL 99. Pathetic effort from the 20 million dollar duo.


They're playing like the NHL is too easy for them. More concerned with trying to set each other up than making obvious plays to try to score. McLellan needs to get off his 1st line loading addiction and split them up.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:53

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:46

Someone remind mcdavid and drai they ain't playing NHL 99. Pathetic effort from the 20 million dollar duo.


They're playing like the NHL is too easy for them. More concerned with trying to set each other up than making obvious plays to try to score. McLellan needs to get off his 1st line loading addiction and split them up.


McDavid has the capital to spend in terms of raw talent, even on an off night he can still look dangerous every 2 or 3 shifts and get or create a couple chances. Draisaitl doesn't have that capital, it's painfully obvious when he's taking a night off, because he really labors when things aren't going his way, the body language is obvious. I hate that in hockey players. Don't drag your ass when you're behind the play or making a line change, for example.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 23:29

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:53

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:46

Someone remind mcdavid and drai they ain't playing NHL 99. Pathetic effort from the 20 million dollar duo.


They're playing like the NHL is too easy for them. More concerned with trying to set each other up than making obvious plays to try to score. McLellan needs to get off his 1st line loading addiction and split them up.


McDavid has the capital to spend in terms of raw talent, even on an off night he can still look dangerous every 2 or 3 shifts and get or create a couple chances. Draisaitl doesn't have that capital, it's painfully obvious when he's taking a night off, because he really labors when things aren't going his way, the body language is obvious. I hate that in hockey players. Don't drag your ass when you're behind the play or making a line change, for example.



Yeah, I should point out, even when they are being cute, McDavid's cute play results in a heck of a lot more results than Drai's. But when these guys are so concerned with trying to get the other to do stuff, it's guaranteeing that McDavid is going out of his way trying to get a guy involved in his play that is just not being useful. It kills so much and takes away from his game, and McLellan needs to do something about it, not just watch and try some 4th liners on his 2nd line.

I know it's against the laws of the hockey gods, but why not just try flipping Drai and Nuge for once? I'm tired of suggesting it, because it's just never going to happen for some reason, but damn it, try it you stubborn bastard McLellan :) Especially on a night like tonight where Lucic was totally off and the 2nd line was struggling.

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Im not sure Draisaitl is healthy. He missed 4 games I think with a concussion not that long ago.

This isn't the same player we saw the last few years. And if anything an extra year of maturing should see him improving.

I think if he can get back to close to 100% things would change but there doesn't appear to be a lot of time in the sched for R&R. I wonder if it makes sense to push through if that's indeed the problem..



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Wasn't Draisaitl our best forward in the playoffs, driving his own line as a center? Doesn't make sense that the coach would keep milking that worn out formula when the evidence is to the contrary. You could still have them play together on power plays if needed or 3 on 3. I noticed how sluggish he looked in that game too. Is this like the Thorton Marleau or Pavelski formula for success or something?( they never won a cup) Or the one line Sedin machine in Vancouver (who never won a cup). Making you're team so predictable that you alot easier to defend against. Mclellan is stuck in the mud of his own quasi success. And why wasn't Auvitu in the lineup again? Thought he had a pretty good game against Vegas. These are just the obvious things. I'm loosing faith in the little dictator.


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overdue wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:39

Wasn't Draisaitl our best forward in the playoffs, driving his own line as a center? Doesn't make sense that the coach would keep milking that worn out formula when the evidence is to the contrary. You could still have them play together on power plays if needed or 3 on 3. I noticed how sluggish he looked in that game too. Is this like the Thorton Marleau or Pavelski formula for success or something?( they never won a cup) Or the one line Sedin machine in Vancouver (who never won a cup). Making you're team so predictable that you alot easier to defend against. Mclellan is stuck in the mud of his own quasi success. And why wasn't Auvitu in the lineup again? Thought he had a pretty good game against Vegas. These are just the obvious things. I'm loosing faith in the little dictator.


If our coach ever tried to be strategic in his deployment, he could play the two on different lines, and then reunite them if the other team had a tired third or fourth line ice the puck and get stuck on.

The Penguins have done that for years with Crosby & Malkin. They play PP together and in strategic situations.

Drives me nuts when you see a tired bunch ice the puck and McLellan sends out the third line because it's their turn on the ice...



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Adam wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:41

overdue wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:39

Wasn't Draisaitl our best forward in the playoffs, driving his own line as a center? Doesn't make sense that the coach would keep milking that worn out formula when the evidence is to the contrary. You could still have them play together on power plays if needed or 3 on 3. I noticed how sluggish he looked in that game too. Is this like the Thorton Marleau or Pavelski formula for success or something?( they never won a cup) Or the one line Sedin machine in Vancouver (who never won a cup). Making you're team so predictable that you alot easier to defend against. Mclellan is stuck in the mud of his own quasi success. And why wasn't Auvitu in the lineup again? Thought he had a pretty good game against Vegas. These are just the obvious things. I'm loosing faith in the little dictator.


If our coach ever tried to be strategic in his deployment, he could play the two on different lines, and then reunite them if the other team had a tired third or fourth line ice the puck and get stuck on.

The Penguins have done that for years with Crosby & Malkin. They play PP together and in strategic situations.

Drives me nuts when you see a tired bunch ice the puck and McLellan sends out the third line because it's their turn on the ice...


The best is when he manages to get the 4th line and 3rd D pair out for under 2 mins in games when we have a lead. Unfortunately, he hasn't had many chances to do that this year.



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philly boy wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 00:27

I feel like this is how it’s going to be for the rest of the season. Unless they get entirely healthy and axe the coaching staff mid season, they will plod along without ever really getting on a roll.

It’s a tough league, with a lot of parity..

The thing I’m most frustrated about is the lack of entertainment value along with a consistent effort. I can deal with the losses no problem, there’s just something about the way they lose... the way this team plays that rubs me the wrong.

Fire McLellan!


Totally agree! After that big Las Vegas win, this was such a disappointment. No consistency.



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Jones25 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 05:45

philly boy wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 00:27

I feel like this is how it’s going to be for the rest of the season. Unless they get entirely healthy and axe the coaching staff mid season, they will plod along without ever really getting on a roll.

It’s a tough league, with a lot of parity..

The thing I’m most frustrated about is the lack of entertainment value along with a consistent effort. I can deal with the losses no problem, there’s just something about the way they lose... the way this team plays that rubs me the wrong.

Fire McLellan!


Totally agree! After that big Las Vegas win, this was such a disappointment. No consistency.


I've said it before, but I think the inconsistency is due to a lack of skill, not effort. What's going to be really frustrating is that McLellan will split up McDavid / Drai in a few weeks,once the season is effectively over, and they will start playing a lot better.



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Goose wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 07:35

Jones25 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 05:45

philly boy wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 00:27

I feel like this is how it’s going to be for the rest of the season. Unless they get entirely healthy and axe the coaching staff mid season, they will plod along without ever really getting on a roll.

It’s a tough league, with a lot of parity..

The thing I’m most frustrated about is the lack of entertainment value along with a consistent effort. I can deal with the losses no problem, there’s just something about the way they lose... the way this team plays that rubs me the wrong.

Fire McLellan!


Totally agree! After that big Las Vegas win, this was such a disappointment. No consistency.


I've said it before, but I think the inconsistency is due to a lack of skill, not effort. What's going to be really frustrating is that McLellan will split up McDavid / Drai in a few weeks,once the season is effectively over, and they will start playing a lot better.


Starting to see how devastating any drop off of skill on the team is for our coaching staff. Considering they coach offense by just randomly throwing guys out on the ice and letting them do whatever. Our teams offense is purely about individual efforts. Need coaches that know how to give players effective roles and convince players to not overcomplicate everything if we want to survive our cap hell waiting for the cap to go up. Right now, it's just everyone over-handling the puck and all their teammates incorrectly guessing what the heck they're gonna do. Aside from passing to guys farther away from the net for long range shots, we've got that down solid.

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Goose wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 07:35

Jones25 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 05:45

philly boy wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 00:27

I feel like this is how it’s going to be for the rest of the season. Unless they get entirely healthy and axe the coaching staff mid season, they will plod along without ever really getting on a roll.

It’s a tough league, with a lot of parity..

The thing I’m most frustrated about is the lack of entertainment value along with a consistent effort. I can deal with the losses no problem, there’s just something about the way they lose... the way this team plays that rubs me the wrong.

Fire McLellan!


Totally agree! After that big Las Vegas win, this was such a disappointment. No consistency.


I've said it before, but I think the inconsistency is due to a lack of skill, not effort. What's going to be really frustrating is that McLellan will split up McDavid / Drai in a few weeks,once the season is effectively over, and they will start playing a lot better.

I fear this as well. This team will never be successful long term without splitting these two huge talents up.

Also, is there a clause in McDavids contract that states he can never have linemates with hyphenated last names? This coach will move 4th liners to the 2nd line without batting an eyelash, but moving a 2nd liner like RNH to the 1st line with 97? Even just briefly? Well that’s just crazy talk. If he ever announced a move like this between games I feel the sports section would have 4 more pages. I also picture the coach standing in front of the microphone heaping a truckload of expectation on RNH for being granted this honour. You know what? Just forget it. Keep RNH on the second line...



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Just woke up, checked the score.

Fire McLellan?



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vsove wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:58

Just woke up, checked the score.

Fire McLellan?


At least his BFF Woodcroft. Don't care if Letestu looking like OV and some McDavid genius has kinda masked the PP looking consistently incompetent since Woodcroft took it over more than 2 seasons ago. Dude is lost without a 5 man veteran all-star unit to throw out there.

His PP is just guys winging it. 5 all-stars winging it can be great. But young guys and non-all stars, can get you some pretty inconsistent results. My favourite event that happens on the Steelcroft PP is when Lucic somehow ends up playing the point. That just always confirms to me these guys have no solid roles out there and have no idea what to do. It's also just plain hilarious. Oh and I wish I had some why to slap Woodcroft every time I see Letestu being the designated puck carrier for a PP zone entry. What the hell, seriously.

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vsove wrote on Thu, 16 November 2017 22:58

Just woke up, checked the score.

Fire McLellan?

Yup!



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Also. How can a coach not make his player shoot. It is embarrassing how many quality shots mcdavid passed up for a stupid pass that will make the top ten if it works.


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That was............pathetic.

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Where did the magic go?

Did the coaching staff snort all of it?

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Very disappointing game. I expected a much better effort. Whole team was lousy except for Puljujarvi. I thought the McDavid line was especially lousy. I know McDavid and Leon are buddies and they love playing together so if they are pushing to play with one another and the coach agrees, those 2 can't have crap games like that. I don't expect them to light up every team but you have to at least generate chances. They got their butts handed to them by the Schenn line. When you watch the McDavid line, it's a whole lot of east west, trying to feed pucks through guys.

I saw again something that drives me NUTS with McDavid. They gain the zone easily like usual because the dmen back off. McDavid has the puck, has a TON of space, he curls into the middle of the ice, still has a TON of room. He is approximately just above the freaking hash marks in the middle of the ice. Maroon is going to the net on the left, Leon is off to the right going towards the net. There is a couple of defenders in front, so you have traffic. If you were to circle the best place to shoot from, McDavid would have been in it. If you were to list what you want when you are in that spot - time, space, traffic, teammates going to the net for rebounds, you had it all. So the best player in the game with the best offensive instincts in the NHL shoots right? NAH!!! He passes off to Leon on the right side so Leon can attempt a one timer with maybe 1/5 of the net to even aim at. If Leon hits the shot perfectly, he maybe has a small chance of scoring. But it's pretty slim because there isn't much to shoot at. Unfortunately he doesn't hit the puck perfectly, doesn't get all of it and it goes harmlessly off the side of the net. So McDavid passes up an opportunity that has a maybe 50+% chance of scoring and goes for the maybe 5% chance of scoring. YAY!!

Nuge does the same freaking thing. Is on a 2 on 1 with Lucic. The defender takes away the pass. Nuge who's got a great wrister and has been scoring lately is allowed to walk in with time and space. The Blues defender is laying on the freaking ice so he can't do ANYTHING. He has Lucic driving hard to the net. You'd think his first instinct would be to shoot because 1. You could score because you are in a fantastic shooting spot on your freaking forehand or 2. Allen spits out a rebound and Lucic directs it in. NAH!! Let's try to flip a pass over top the defender who's laying on the ice trying to BLOCK you from passing in the hopes it makes it, lays down perfectly so Lucic can fire it in. Instead the pass hits the defender just like he was trying to do and they get NOTHING.

It is further illustrated by how STUPID the Oilers players can be when in the 3rd, Schenn comes in on a 2 on 1. Pretty much exactly the same as the Nuge 2 on 1. The defender plays it almost exactly like the Blues guy, trying to cut off the pass which is really all he can do. Schenn takes all the time and space he has, goes to the net and rips a shot top corner. A simple, text book 2 on 1. There is not a damn thing that Talbot could do because he plays the shooter, takes as much of the net as he can but he will have the pass also in his mind. Schenn is a good offensive player and if you give a good offensive player time and space, he's going to make those shots most of the time. The defender does what he is supposed to do so there is no blame.

I am ranting here I know but it is just so freaking frustrating. The Oilers are a low scoring team which shouldn't be happening and they continually try to go show time rather than take the simpler, higher percentage plays. All the goals the Blues score (except Talbot basically firing it in his goal) were basic, nothing spectacular goals that work every time.



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Can the Oilers stop playing Pakarinen PLEASE. I know he is sort of OK on the PK but in my opinion, you can't have guys who are black holes offensively. He brings NOTHING.


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28th spot.

Familiar territory. Everything on paper save for Eberle and Pouliot is the same, and they aren't getting the job done.

I was not in agreement to separate Drai and CMcD, but after seeing the make up of the secondary scoring units, something needs to spark the boys. I'm not sure what will do it or there enough horses in the barn to move this team forward but man..

Cute passes don't win hockey game. Shoot. Shoot gal darn it.*

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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:34

Everything on paper save for Eberle and Pouliot is the same, and they aren't getting the job done.



I think this team also misses Sekera. A lot. And not doing anything to the defence to try to mitigate that loss was a mistake on management.



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Goose wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 10:36

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:34

Everything on paper save for Eberle and Pouliot is the same, and they aren't getting the job done.



I think this team also misses Sekera. A lot. And not doing anything to the defence to try to mitigate that loss was a mistake on management.


Klef needs a break, and the Russell/Gryba pairing gives me hives.

Neither situation can be mitigated permanently with the current roster. I would prefer Auvitu be the guy that sticks and Russell/Gryba be the guys moved in and out of the lineup, but that ain't happening. Both of those guys incapable of moving the puck are better with Auvitu than with eachother.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:54

Goose wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 10:36

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 09:34

Everything on paper save for Eberle and Pouliot is the same, and they aren't getting the job done.



I think this team also misses Sekera. A lot. And not doing anything to the defence to try to mitigate that loss was a mistake on management.


Klef needs a break, and the Russell/Gryba pairing gives me hives.

Neither situation can be mitigated permanently with the current roster. I would prefer Auvitu be the guy that sticks and Russell/Gryba be the guys moved in and out of the lineup, but that ain't happening. Both of those guys incapable of moving the puck are better with Auvitu than with eachother.


Agreed, I think that Russell/Gryba pairing needs to be broken up. That probably means moving Russell back into the 2nd pair with either Klef or Nurse (if you reunited Klef/Lar), and then ideally run Auvitu/Benning as the 3rd pair.



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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 17 November 2017 10:34



Cute passes don't win hockey game. Shoot. Shoot gal darn it.*

*sorry I swore MJ I'm just so mad.

Don't worry. Oilers keep playing like this MJ might have to allow full on f bombs in the main forum.



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I think they need to split up Leon and McDavid just so they force those 2 to drive their lines and to simplify their games. Those 2 are SOOO good that I believe they think they can score a pretty goal all the time. So they pass up the simple "boring" shots in a good spot and try to thread passes through legs and go for back door taps ins. When they work, they are amazing and make all the highlight shows but this league is designed for slugs and parity not amazing plays and lots of offense. This league is a go to the net, take a shot, look for it to hit a stick or skate, look for a tip or a rebound. It's not tick tack toe, pass it into the net. It's a 3-2 league where most of the goals are ugly. If you look at the Blues second goal on the PP. What's fancy about that? A shot, rebound comes out, you out number the other team and wack away until it goes in. The Oilers RARELY score goals like that this year. By separating the Leon and McDavid and putting not so fancy guys with them, it would force them to play more straight line hockey because the guys on their wings aren't flashy enough. I think it would be more effective.

If you go watch Crosby, sure you see the great moves, the amazing passing from time to time and the odd jaw dropping goal. But a big chunk of his goals are flat out hard working, down low, in the paint, shooting goals. Nothing fancy about them. Until McDavid, Leon and the rest of them get it through their heads that this is the NHL, you have to simplify and be willing to get your nose dirty from time to time and this is not a freaking video game, they will struggle. Its frustrating because if you watch the Vegas game, most of the goals were pretty standard goals. Taking the puck to the net, shooting in good spots, nothing overly fancy. Last night, they went away from it.

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I agree RD, and I almost wanted to bring this up last season but McDavid was in a midst of an Art Ross scoring title.

There are times where I wish McDavid just pushes it one more step and just fires it, even into the goalies pads. Muck it up a bit. I look at Auston Matthews and I know they are 2 very different players but he puts the puck on net no matter what. He will make that extra stride and fire it. McDavid is always looking for someone even in prime opportunities.

Is it because all of the eyes are on Connor and maybe he gets bummed when a goalie stops him? In Junior he had his way with defenceman and goalies but in the NHL he has to 100% blow by the D and with very little room make a shot that would beat an NHL goalie.

https://i.imgur.com/jpGhlsp.jpg?1

This was where the game was lost. I actually like the trailer play, but because it's a 1 goal game maybe drive outside and fire the thing.

Then again I'm sitting in a comfy office chair telling what the best player on the planet should do.



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