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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #786965 is a reply to message #786963 ]
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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there?

I wonder if the Oil could put up a lowball offer for Mitch now that his stock in TO has seriously plummeted?



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:38

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there?

I wonder if the Oil could put up a lowball offer for Mitch now that his stock in TO has seriously plummeted?

Can you win with him though?



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:42

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:38

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there?

I wonder if the Oil could put up a lowball offer for Mitch now that his stock in TO has seriously plummeted?

Can you win with him though?

Maybe not, but I wouldn't mind seeing him in an Oil jersey if any deal included the Laffs retaining salary. Perhaps playing with less pressure outside of TO might be what Marner needs to step up his game in the playoffs, because we all know he wouldn't ever be considered the go-to guy with Drai/Connor around.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:42

Ragnarok73 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:38

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there?

I wonder if the Oil could put up a lowball offer for Mitch now that his stock in TO has seriously plummeted?

Can you win with him though?

No, but he could be flipped for Cody Ceci



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LOL, not surprisingly, the HF Boards have crashed as the flood of Laff-fan tears and non-fan taunts come pouring in after yet another choke in the first round,.


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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there? 3-1 lead against a team 18 down from them in the 56 game regular season.

Nor sure who to pull for next. I detest Montreal but Wpg isn't a lock for my support, but has a slight edge.

Beyond that I support a denial of Canadian teams besides Edmonton hosting the Cup.


This is great news for those of us who cheer against other Canadian teams "bringing home the Cup". Virtually no chance that Habs or Jets can beat two of the remaining teams in the playoffs. Whoever wins the next round almost certainly doesn't have home ice advantage too.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:59

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there? 3-1 lead against a team 18 down from them in the 56 game regular season.

Nor sure who to pull for next. I detest Montreal but Wpg isn't a lock for my support, but has a slight edge.

Beyond that I support a denial of Canadian teams besides Edmonton hosting the Cup.


This is great news for those of us who cheer against other Canadian teams "bringing home the Cup". Virtually no chance that Habs or Jets can beat two of the remaining teams in the playoffs. Whoever wins the next round almost certainly doesn't have home ice advantage too.

Enh, this is hardly news: the North division was easily the weakest overall this season. Even had the Laffs not choked, I'd have bet all my money on them losing before getting to the Cup final. To be honest, I wouldn't be all that bothered if the Jets or Habs were to actually pull off the miracle to bring a Cup back to a Canadian city for the first time in 28 years. As long as the Laffs, Dys, or Flames never do so, I am fine with whoever is left getting it done.



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Bah, not sure why the pic didn't show up so just linking directly. Made me laugh.

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Bonus, our draft pick improved with the Jet and Canadiens passing us. Now we can pick someone rated 10-15 picks later 2 picks sooner!


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Listening to Toronto sports radio the consensus is Mitch Marner is the problem and they didn’t have enough grit. They’re going to get eaten alive in the Atlantic next season (assuming next year happens).


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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 20:51

Listening to Toronto sports radio the consensus is Mitch Marner is the problem and they didn’t have enough grit. They’re going to get eaten alive in the Atlantic next season (assuming next year happens).


Yes, please trade Marner. All in on the cherry picker that can't wait to bolt to Arizona.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:59

K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 19:36

Lol. At least we have Toronto. When do generational Matthews and Marner demand a trade out of there? 3-1 lead against a team 18 down from them in the 56 game regular season.

Nor sure who to pull for next. I detest Montreal but Wpg isn't a lock for my support, but has a slight edge.

Beyond that I support a denial of Canadian teams besides Edmonton hosting the Cup.


This is great news for those of us who cheer against other Canadian teams "bringing home the Cup". Virtually no chance that Habs or Jets can beat two of the remaining teams in the playoffs. Whoever wins the next round almost certainly doesn't have home ice advantage too.


My heart smiles. I hope the Habs beat the Jets and then get decimated by Colorado.



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Now that the thunder clap of Leaf fan sphincters snapping shut continues to echo throughout the blogospheres.. My next hope is for the Habs to lose to Winni, as I hate the Habs just a fraction less than the Leafs..

Watching both these teams choke out will be sublime, can't stand either fan base or their media.

Winni will get slaughtered by whoever they face in the final 4.



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https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/when-not-if-why-t he-toronto-maple-leafs-will-soon-win-the-stanley-cup


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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 21:18

https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/when-not-if-why-t he-toronto-maple-leafs-will-soon-win-the-stanley-cup

The most hilarious part of that article is the embedded video with the caption "Marner after loss: 'Just couldn't get it done.'". rofl rofl rofl



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 20:18

https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/when-not-if-why-t he-toronto-maple-leafs-will-soon-win-the-stanley-cup


Steve Simmons.. just classic.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 22:58

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 20:18

https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/when-not-if-why-t he-toronto-maple-leafs-will-soon-win-the-stanley-cup


Steve Simmons.. just classic.


Yearly tradition to look that article up :)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 31 May 2021 21:18

https://nationalpost.com/sports/hockey/nhl/when-not-if-why-t he-toronto-maple-leafs-will-soon-win-the-stanley-cup


The best will be reading Simmons article tomorrow calling for the Leafs to fire everyone and trade Matthews and Marner...



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How it started

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Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.


Nylander - 5 goals
Spezza - 3 goals
Muzzin - 2 goals
Sandin - 1 goal
Thronton - 1 goal
Brodie - 1 goal
Galchenyuk - 1 goal
Rielly - 1 goal
Kerfoot - 1 goal


16 goals from lines 2-4 and the D.

Hyman - 1 goal
Matthews - 1 goal
Marner - 0 goals

2 goals from the top line.


We got 4 from depth and 4 from the top line.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.


Nylander - 5 goals
Spezza - 3 goals
Muzzin - 2 goals
Sandin - 1 goal
Thronton - 1 goal
Brodie - 1 goal
Galchenyuk - 1 goal
Rielly - 1 goal
Kerfoot - 1 goal


16 goals from lines 2-4 and the D.

Hyman - 1 goal
Matthews - 1 goal
Marner - 0 goals

2 goals from the top line.


We got 4 from depth and 4 from the top line.


I have said it many times, I know depth is important and can win you the odd game BUT a team will not win very often unless your best players are your best players. Your best players are usually the ones that get the most ice time, get the most premium offensive starts, get the most PP time and make the most money. If your big boys don't score, you probably won't win.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:15

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.


Nylander - 5 goals
Spezza - 3 goals
Muzzin - 2 goals
Sandin - 1 goal
Thronton - 1 goal
Brodie - 1 goal
Galchenyuk - 1 goal
Rielly - 1 goal
Kerfoot - 1 goal


16 goals from lines 2-4 and the D.

Hyman - 1 goal
Matthews - 1 goal
Marner - 0 goals

2 goals from the top line.


We got 4 from depth and 4 from the top line.


I have said it many times, I know depth is important and can win you the odd game BUT a team will not win very often unless your best players are your best players. Your best players are usually the ones that get the most ice time, get the most premium offensive starts, get the most PP time and make the most money. If your big boys don't score, you probably won't win.


For sure. Was just trying to highlight how little their top guys showed up to help tip the balance. Couple easy ways to lose in the playoffs, no depth, or stars underperforming. Really need everyone doing their part to win a 7 game series. Best guys have to be your best usually, but also your worst can't be useless liabilities.

Oilers and Leafs out for opposite reasons both against goalies that played at the top of their game. We never got any depth help, and when we did, that depth gave even more back in our mess of a game 3. Leafs basically at their top guys get results in 1 game. Completely dependent on depth to save the day in the other 6.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.

"Incredible" implies that the Laffs haven't done this sort of thing before. 8 straight losses in series-clinching games makes them deserve the title of "perennial chokers".



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Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.

"Incredible" implies that the Laffs haven't done this sort of thing before. 8 straight losses in series-clinching games makes them deserve the title of "perennial chokers".



Leafs management better call Toronto Hydro. There is something in that water. 0-8 with a multitude of different teams and personnel. Maybe the pressure is just too much for players?



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inverno76 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:28

Ragnarok73 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 09:03

Pretty incredible the Leafs lost another series where they had complete control. It sucked that the Oilers lost 4-0 but this in my opinion is way, way worse. Oilers had 3 OT games in a row, one game was 1-0. A bounce one way or the other and it's a different series. Leafs were up 3-1, complete control. All you need is 1 win and you can't get it.

"Incredible" implies that the Laffs haven't done this sort of thing before. 8 straight losses in series-clinching games makes them deserve the title of "perennial chokers".



Leafs management better call Toronto Hydro. There is something in that water. 0-8 with a multitude of different teams and personnel. Maybe the pressure is just too much for players?


Probably has something to do with the media and fans doing absolute contortions alternating between utterly disturbing and creepy affection/devotion and bitter vitriol. One extreme to the other. It's part of why they're hated.



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hehe, Don chimes in


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1.Disaster. Make no mistake I thought the Leafs would win game 7. What surprised me was the lack of interest; there was absolutely no fire. I’ve been saying since day one the hits. For instance last night in the Bruin/Isle games there was a 100 hits. There were 60 in the game.

2. To be up 3-1 against the worse team in the playoffs how do you lose? One difference; the Canadiens were battled hardened. Montreal had to win almost every game in the last few weeks of the seasons. The Leafs didn’t have a pressure all season, built for the regular season.

3.Price was at his best. Some would say lucky, maybe, but he was in the right spot at the right time. Tavares and Muzzin out, but they won 3 games with Tavares out. Campbell, I can only blame him on Gallagher’s goal.

4. When you’re getting $10 million a piece like Matthews and Marner; as Jack Dempsy said to him movie star wife “it’s tough to get up at 5:00am and run in silk shorts.” But what surprised me in the 7th game there was no fire, it was like a regular season game.

5. Now what? One last thing, check it out, the Leafs were never the same after Matthews was ragged doll and laughed. I said many times, there is a big difference between the regular season and the playoff, the regular season means nothing.



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The amount of Marner hate in Leafs nation is wild.

Since he and Matthews entered the league 5 years ago:

- Leading scorer over that time
- Leading scorer 3 out of 5 seasons, and 3 of the last 4.
- Leading playoff scorer and playoff points-per-game over that time.

But he gets the lion's share of scapegoating. Matthews is the best leafs player, but it's a small gap and Marner is more durable. I might even argue that Marner brings more value to that team at 10.9M over Matthew's 11.6M.

I hope they trade him due to insane fan pressure, and perhaps pressure from ownership. Their fanbase doesn't realize how important he is to getting them to the playoffs. Matthews has under performed in the dance just as much, but Marner takes most of the heat because he wanted to be paid what he deserved 2 years ago.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 13:00

The amount of Marner hate in Leafs nation is wild.

Since he and Matthews entered the league 5 years ago:

- Leading scorer over that time
- Leading scorer 3 out of 5 seasons, and 3 of the last 4.
- Leading playoff scorer and playoff points-per-game over that time.

But he gets the lion's share of scapegoating. Matthews is the best leafs player, but it's a small gap and Marner is more durable. I might even argue that Marner brings more value to that team at 10.9M over Matthew's 11.6M.

I hope they trade him due to insane fan pressure, and perhaps pressure from ownership. Their fanbase doesn't realize how important he is to getting them to the playoffs. Matthews has under performed in the dance just as much, but Marner takes most of the heat because he wanted to be paid what he deserved 2 years ago.


When his line is useless and can't finish any of his setups, I guess it's easy for him to get all the focus. Hyman missed a ridiculous amount of open nets and open shots in the slot. Like McDavid when he is always depended on to carry the puck and make plays, he gets the heat on the bad turnover.

I hope they trade Marner. They have never appreciated him, and always have to tear him down to form their Matthews >= McDavid crap. Would be good for his career to get out of Toronto too obviously.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:03


When his line is useless and can't finish any of his setups, I guess it's easy for him to get all the focus. Hyman missed a ridiculous amount of open nets and open shots in the slot. Like McDavid when he is always depended on to carry the puck and make plays, he gets the heat on the bad turnover.

I hope they trade Marner. They have never appreciated him, and always have to tear him down to form their Matthews >= McDavid crap. Would be good for his career to get out of Toronto too obviously.


I mean, it was his weak play along the boards that led directly to Montreal's third goal. I think there's a rule somewhere that says they need to immediately trade him away in a 1-for-1 deal. Kyle Turris was good 5 years ago, he should be enough of a return.

The funniest thing to me is seeing some of the more analytics focused Toronto fans I follow on twitter just immediately pivot to, "this team is too soft", and blame Marner/Matthews for the loss. They completely ignore the fact that some of the "greybeards" (Thornton, Simmonds, Foligno), that Dubas brought in to provide veteran leadership in the playoffs were invisible. Spezza actually did an admirable job and can still play a little bit.

Honestly, I think that Dubas got suckered in by the Toronto media/hockey men into thinking that they needed more leadership and I hope he continues to listen to them and think that their best players are the problem. We've seen enough of that in Edmonton to know how it inevitably turns out.




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Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 15:07

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:03


When his line is useless and can't finish any of his setups, I guess it's easy for him to get all the focus. Hyman missed a ridiculous amount of open nets and open shots in the slot. Like McDavid when he is always depended on to carry the puck and make plays, he gets the heat on the bad turnover.

I hope they trade Marner. They have never appreciated him, and always have to tear him down to form their Matthews >= McDavid crap. Would be good for his career to get out of Toronto too obviously.


I mean, it was his weak play along the boards that led directly to Montreal's third goal. I think there's a rule somewhere that says they need to immediately trade him away in a 1-for-1 deal. Kyle Turris was good 5 years ago, he should be enough of a return.

The funniest thing to me is seeing some of the more analytics focused Toronto fans I follow on twitter just immediately pivot to, "this team is too soft", and blame Marner/Matthews for the loss. They completely ignore the fact that some of the "greybeards" (Thornton, Simmonds, Foligno), that Dubas brought in to provide veteran leadership in the playoffs were invisible. Spezza actually did an admirable job and can still play a little bit.

Honestly, I think that Dubas got suckered in by the Toronto media/hockey men into thinking that they needed more leadership and I hope he continues to listen to them and think that their best players are the problem. We've seen enough of that in Edmonton to know how it inevitably turns out.




Hehe yeah, that was a ridiculous amount of "leadership" this time around. Wonder if next year Dubas gets that LTIR up to 20M to add in even more washed up supposed leaders that never won anything. Not to say the having won part is more important and they could have used a Ference instead.

Might be a bit harder next season. Only 3 picks left for 2022.

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Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:07

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:03


When his line is useless and can't finish any of his setups, I guess it's easy for him to get all the focus. Hyman missed a ridiculous amount of open nets and open shots in the slot. Like McDavid when he is always depended on to carry the puck and make plays, he gets the heat on the bad turnover.

I hope they trade Marner. They have never appreciated him, and always have to tear him down to form their Matthews >= McDavid crap. Would be good for his career to get out of Toronto too obviously.


I mean, it was his weak play along the boards that led directly to Montreal's third goal. I think there's a rule somewhere that says they need to immediately trade him away in a 1-for-1 deal. Kyle Turris was good 5 years ago, he should be enough of a return.

The funniest thing to me is seeing some of the more analytics focused Toronto fans I follow on twitter just immediately pivot to, "this team is too soft", and blame Marner/Matthews for the loss. They completely ignore the fact that some of the "greybeards" (Thornton, Simmonds, Foligno), that Dubas brought in to provide veteran leadership in the playoffs were invisible. Spezza actually did an admirable job and can still play a little bit.

Honestly, I think that Dubas got suckered in by the Toronto media/hockey men into thinking that they needed more leadership and I hope he continues to listen to them and think that their best players are the problem. We've seen enough of that in Edmonton to know how it inevitably turns out.




They brought in greybeards, but the FAs came cheap and are all NHL players. He spent 2.9M on Simmonds, Thornton, and Spezza. I don't think those are bad bets, and he certainly got the 700K value out of each of Spezza/Thornton. I actually think those are pretty smart bets. I would rather have those guys at that price tag than Haas or Khaira...

His mistake was paying too much in the trade for Foligno. But big picture, he brought a strong roster with depth to the playoffs.

I'm much more more inclined to blame coaching if you have the better roster and can't close out a 3-1 series. I'm not seeing much blame for Keefe going around the internet. And that's on Dubas too, as he made the call to bring in a rookie coach that he knew from the junior ranks. They never got their power play figured out. 16th in the league for the regular season, and a dreadful 13% in the playoffs.

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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 15:26

Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:07

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 12:03


When his line is useless and can't finish any of his setups, I guess it's easy for him to get all the focus. Hyman missed a ridiculous amount of open nets and open shots in the slot. Like McDavid when he is always depended on to carry the puck and make plays, he gets the heat on the bad turnover.

I hope they trade Marner. They have never appreciated him, and always have to tear him down to form their Matthews >= McDavid crap. Would be good for his career to get out of Toronto too obviously.


I mean, it was his weak play along the boards that led directly to Montreal's third goal. I think there's a rule somewhere that says they need to immediately trade him away in a 1-for-1 deal. Kyle Turris was good 5 years ago, he should be enough of a return.

The funniest thing to me is seeing some of the more analytics focused Toronto fans I follow on twitter just immediately pivot to, "this team is too soft", and blame Marner/Matthews for the loss. They completely ignore the fact that some of the "greybeards" (Thornton, Simmonds, Foligno), that Dubas brought in to provide veteran leadership in the playoffs were invisible. Spezza actually did an admirable job and can still play a little bit.

Honestly, I think that Dubas got suckered in by the Toronto media/hockey men into thinking that they needed more leadership and I hope he continues to listen to them and think that their best players are the problem. We've seen enough of that in Edmonton to know how it inevitably turns out.




They brought in greybeards, but the FAs came cheap and are all NHL players. He spent 2.9M on Simmonds, Thornton, and Spezza. I don't think those are bad bets, and he certainly got the 700K value out of each of Spezza/Thornton. I actually think those are pretty smart bets. I would rather have those guys at that price tag than Haas or Khaira...

His mistake was paying too much in the trade for Foligno. But big picture, he brought a strong roster with depth to the playoffs.

I'm much more more inclined to blame coaching if you have the better roster and can't close out a 3-1 series. I'm not seeing much blame for Keefe going around the internet. And that's on Dubas too, as he made the call to bring in a rookie coach that he knew from the junior ranks. They never got their power play figured out. 16th in the league for the regular season, and a dreadful 13% in the playoffs.



Besides losing Tavares and Muzzin, I think they disrupted the team chemistry with all of their moves. Having a shortened season didn’t allow some guys to fit in. Foligno, Nash, Rittich and Hutton did not give them their desired effect. Cost them assets and did help the team.

Kulikov never looked comfortable in Edmonton. His advanced said he should have been a solidifying force on our blue line and not a turnover machine.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:26


They brought in greybeards, but the FAs came cheap and are all NHL players. He spent 2.9M on Simmonds, Thornton, and Spezza. I don't think those are bad bets, and he certainly got the 700K value out of each of Spezza/Thornton. I actually think those are pretty smart bets. I would rather have those guys at that price tag than Haas or Khaira...

His mistake was paying too much in the trade for Foligno. But big picture, he brought a strong roster with depth to the playoffs.

I'm much more more inclined to blame coaching if you have the better roster and can't close out a 3-1 series. I'm not seeing much blame for Keefe going around the internet. And that's on Dubas too, as he made the call to bring in a rookie coach that he knew from the junior ranks. They never got their power play figured out. 16th in the league for the regular season, and a dreadful 13% in the playoffs.



Hey if you're going to compare them to the Oilers bottom 6 that's cheating! Just about everybody looks good compared to that group. icon_wink

Good point about the coach, they were pretty terrible at generating shots on the PP (43.5 shots/60) after being 7th in the league in that metric in the regular season (56.7 shots/60). Should be noted that Montreal was 29th in the league in SA/60 on the PK, so seems like Keefe got badly outcoached on special teams, or the Leafs just weren't executing.



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More Leafs fun.. watching Leafs-the-Nation eat themselves..


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Now for the Habs to flambe out and watch Habs-the-Nation implode.. Good Times!


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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 13:03

Now for the Habs to flambe out and watch Habs-the-Nation implode.. Good Times!


I don't think there were a ton of people in Montreal that thought that they would get past Toronto, so I imagine this is all gravy for them. I don't think things will be nearly as bad in Habs nation when they eventually lose as they are in Toronto.

Hopefully, this makes them think that they are on the right track and they don't bother to do anything to try to improve the team.



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Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 13:03

Now for the Habs to flambe out and watch Habs-the-Nation implode.. Good Times!


I don't think there were a ton of people in Montreal that thought that they would get past Toronto, so I imagine this is all gravy for them. I don't think things will be nearly as bad in Habs nation when they eventually lose as they are in Toronto.

Hopefully, this makes them think that they are on the right track and they don't bother to do anything to try to improve the team.


Oh I think the Habs fans and media are thinking Wpg is a weaker team than the Leafs and they are the favourites, so losing to them will be unexpected.. cue "Fire Bergevin!" icon_nod



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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 15:21

Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 13:03

Now for the Habs to flambe out and watch Habs-the-Nation implode.. Good Times!


I don't think there were a ton of people in Montreal that thought that they would get past Toronto, so I imagine this is all gravy for them. I don't think things will be nearly as bad in Habs nation when they eventually lose as they are in Toronto.

Hopefully, this makes them think that they are on the right track and they don't bother to do anything to try to improve the team.


Oh I think the Habs fans and media are thinking Wpg is a weaker team than the Leafs and they are the favourites, so losing to them will be unexpected.. cue "Fire Bergevin!" icon_nod


I think we want them to keep Bergevin and the coach who scratches all his good young players to start the playoffs. I hope it’s a seven game battle between Wpg and Mtl and it convinces both to stay the course on what they have.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:51

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 15:21

Goose wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 14:09

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 01 June 2021 13:03

Now for the Habs to flambe out and watch Habs-the-Nation implode.. Good Times!


I don't think there were a ton of people in Montreal that thought that they would get past Toronto, so I imagine this is all gravy for them. I don't think things will be nearly as bad in Habs nation when they eventually lose as they are in Toronto.

Hopefully, this makes them think that they are on the right track and they don't bother to do anything to try to improve the team.


Oh I think the Habs fans and media are thinking Wpg is a weaker team than the Leafs and they are the favourites, so losing to them will be unexpected.. cue "Fire Bergevin!" icon_nod


I think we want them to keep Bergevin and the coach who scratches all his good young players to start the playoffs. I hope it’s a seven game battle between Wpg and Mtl and it convinces both to stay the course on what they have.


Unless.. they fire Bergevin and.. hire Chiarelli! icon_nod



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