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Boniman wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:26

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1087475622992011264


dear lord.

At least make the guy play 40 games



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Can probably move to Oilers section


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Mikko Koskinen extension with #oilers:

2019-2020: $5.2M
2020-2021: $3.3M+$500,000 SB
2021-2022: $4.5M



There is no way this contract didn't have to go to the top and get thumbs up from the chain of morons.



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Hmmmm.... Didn't see this coming. Not sure what to say. A bit early I would think. Not sure why you need to do this now. I guess they picked their guy. Thanks Cam for your time here.

I honestly don't get why this happens now. Is this supposed to make us feel better?

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:36

Hmmmm.... Didn't see this coming. Not sure what to say. A bit early I would think.


To me, this is beyond top dollar for a guy with 27 games on his NHL resume since 2011, and he's been trending down for a while.

yeah, I don't get what the rush is here. At least see if his game recovers first. Lot of season left to play. We just tossed him a deal like the last month never happened.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:36

Hmmmm.... Didn't see this coming. Not sure what to say. A bit early I would think.


To me, this is beyond top dollar for a guy with 27 games on his NHL resume since 2011, and he's been trending down for a while.

yeah, I don't get what the rush is here. At least see if his game recovers first. Lot of season left to play. We just tossed him a deal like the last month never happened.



If at the end of the year he was playing really well and looked like the real deal and you decided to sign him to that before going to free agency, then MAYBE I can understand it a bit. But no chance right now. I don't get this. WHY?

For the record, I thought they would end up resigning him and he's the one I would choose between the 2 but not right now.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:37

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:36

Hmmmm.... Didn't see this coming. Not sure what to say. A bit early I would think.


To me, this is beyond top dollar for a guy with 27 games on his NHL resume since 2011, and he's been trending down for a while.

yeah, I don't get what the rush is here. At least see if his game recovers first. Lot of season left to play. We just tossed him a deal like the last month never happened.


That's just incredible.

Totally unmoveable contract, yet again.

He's 23rd in the league in goals against average and in save percentage, and both trending the wrong way after a good start. In January, he's got a .891 save percentage and a 3-4-0 record.

Did the Oilers learn nothing from watching Anders Nilsson? Make him build a resume. There are goalies available every summer. There's only 31 starting roles in the league, so there's always guys pushing up. With the team in cap hell, they can't afford to overpay mediocre or middling players.

I wouldn't have been confident naming him the starter for next year at this point on his body of work, never mind for the next three years.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:36

A bit early I would think. Not sure why you need to do this now.

I honestly don't get why this happens now. Is this supposed to make us feel better?


I think that's the idea, throw the fans a bone. I don't mind the signing. He's a good goaltender just not sure about the money part. Good goal tending is so key and I don't see much potential anywhere else to fill that spot. Also without him backstopping the team to the wins that he did, this team is likely on the bottom of the conference right now in points.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:36

A bit early I would think. Not sure why you need to do this now.

I honestly don't get why this happens now. Is this supposed to make us feel better?


I think that's the idea, throw the fans a bone. I don't mind the signing. He's a good goalie but not sure about the money part. Good goal tending is so key!



He's been a good goalie in about half his appearances you mean...

The issue is that it's a very big number and a very long term for someone with a very small sample size of games, given despite the fact that there would not have been a lot of teams capable or interested in paying him starter money this summer...



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 14:31

Can probably move to Oilers section


Chris Johnston @reporterchris
Mikko Koskinen extension with #oilers:

2019-2020: $5.2M
2020-2021: $3.3M+$500,000 SB
2021-2022: $4.5M



There is no way this contract didn't have to go to the top and get thumbs up from the chain of morons.


3 years! He's shown to be a below average starter at best. They couldn't wait until June to make this deal?

This team man.



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17/18: 234 GF / 263 GA (-29)
18/19: 232 GF / 274 GA (-42)
19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
2021 (82 game pace):269 GF / 235 GA (+34) after 38 games

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4.06 GAA, 0.877 SVP%

Solid.




Was this an open offer given to Koskinen back in early December?



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Believed they would sign him... didn’t think he’d get THAT much though. Figured 3-3.5. Oh boy.

Here’s hoping he can become consistent.

So long Talbs. We’ll always have that one season...

Edit: To be clear, I like what he’s (Koskinen) brought at times. He had a really great stretch and since has battled with inconsistency and a below average effort defensively from the team in front of him. He’s had some absolute stellar moments and arguably has been the second best Oiler, behind Connor, this season and easily the 3rd if you put Drai 2nd.

Still. The numbers. Eek.

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Given today's moves - I actually think I am done with Edmonton. How frowned upon it would be more me to wait and begin to cheer for Seattle?


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I am not totally upset with the term of the contract or even the money they are deciding to allocate for a starting goalie. You go out and get a 1 mill back up, you are paying less than what you are paying your 2 goalies now and I would guess you are probably below what a lot of teams are paying their goalies. So if you as a team decide that you can pay a starter 4.5 mill max, fine. But WHY NOW!! I like Koskinen, I think he has been the better goalie all year. I think they potentially have something in him maybe. But wait till at least the end of the freaking season to make a decision!!! I don't get what this team is doing!!!

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 14:56

I don't get what this team is doing!!!


Chiarelli? Is that you?

In all seriousness, it seems likely they're doing what they always do. Selling hope. Chiarelli made one move this year that wasn't totally hated (was it Terry Jones that called him a "resident genius" way back in December), so the Oilers are doubling down to deflect criticism.



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So does Koskinen's NMC continue through the life of this new contract?



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 14:49

Given today's moves - I actually think I am done with Edmonton. How frowned upon it would be more me to wait and begin to cheer for Seattle?


I'm thinking of starting a cross border Seattle fan carpool from here in Vancouver.... sooooooo yeah.



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nullterm wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:54

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 14:49

Given today's moves - I actually think I am done with Edmonton. How frowned upon it would be more me to wait and begin to cheer for Seattle?


I'm thinking of starting a cross border Seattle fan carpool from here in Vancouver.... sooooooo yeah.

Let me know when your making the trip. Eff these guys.



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Thinking about this some more...

I read a tweet from Rishaug saying the Oilers didn't want to take the risk of having to compete for Koskinen this summer...but how many teams are actually looking for a starting goalie next year?

Anaheim - Gibson is clear starter and signed for many years. Chad Johnson is UFA, but he's the backup.

Arizona - Kuemper has another year at $1.85MM, Pickard is UFA. They are likely in the market, but they're also cheap.

Calgary - Rittich is now the starter. He's RFA this summer. Smith is UFA and probably won't get asked back.

Los Angeles - Quick is under contract for another 5 years for big dollars. Jack Campbell is dirt cheap and locked up for another year as the backup.

San Jose - Martin Jones is locked up for another 5 years at big bucks too. Aaron Wells has another year on his deal at $1.9MM

Vancouver - Markstrom is a cheap starter at $3.67MM and signed for another year. They might look for a backup with Thatcher currently in the role, but he's cheap and RFA.

Vegas - Fleury is locked up a long time, at big bucks and is the face of the franchise. They have a couple of RFA options as back-up - and if someone believed in Subban, he might be ready for a shot somewhere.

Chicago - might be ready to move on from Crawford, but he's under contract for $6MM next year. Ward is UFA. They might be in the market.

Colorado - Varlamov is UFA, Grubauer under contract for the next few years. I'd predict Grubauer as their starter next year with Varlamov moving to another team and a cheaper backup option coming in.

Dallas - Bishop locked up long-term and Khudobin has another year on his deal. They're not in the market.

Minnesota - Dubnyk under contract for the next two years after this. Stalock is UFA, so they'll be looking for a back-up, not a starter.

Nashville - Rinne's old, but two more years on his deal and he's still playing relatively well. Saros is the heir apparent. Goalie factory in Nashville, so they never seem to need to look externally for the next one.

St. Louis - two more years of Jake Allen. Backup Binnington is an expiring RFA. You could definitely see St. Louis looking for an upgrade, especially if they could rid themselves of Allen - but then again, St. Louis is the Flyers of the West and never seems to invest in a decent goalie...

Winnipeg - Hellebucyk is the guy and he's inked long term at big bucks. Brossoit has been excellent as the back-up and probably gets re-upped as an RFA this summer.

Carolina - Mrazek and McElhinney are both UFAs. They're probably in the market.

Columbus - Bobrovsky is UFA and probably moving on. Korpisalo is RFA, and cheap, but could be the guy they look to. They're a solid maybe in the market.

New Jersey - Like Chicago, they have a starter who's been unable to live up to his paycheque due to injury. Schneider is under contract for years still at $6MM per, but they may still look for someone, especially with Kincaid UFA this summer. Kincaid will get another job somewhere though.

NY Islanders - Greiss with one more year, Lehner is UFA. Lamoriello is always economical with goalies. Doesn't overpay them. He MAY be in the market this year.

NY Rangers - Lundqvist has two more years at an incredible $8.5MM. That makes it really hard to go get someone else, and the Rangers are rebuilding. I expect they'll want a cheap backup to replace UFA Mazanec and that's it.

Philadelphia - So...many...goalies...and most of them UFA or RFA this year. They may hand the ball to Carter Hart next year, or they could go shopping. Being the Flyers, whatever they decide will be the worst goaltending decision possible...

Pittsburgh - Murray under contract for another year (at a good dollar value). Their back-up is signed for even longer.

Washington - Holtby makes big bucks ($6.1MM) for one more year. Will be in the market for a back-up.

Boston - Rask has two more years at $7.5MM. Halak has another year at $2.75MM. They're not in the market.

Buffalo - Hutton's got a couple more years. Ullnark is RFA. They could make a move potentially.

Detroit - Howard's a UFA and likely moving on - he's 34, but better numbers than Koskinen. He'll probably get another gig. Bernier has two more years at $3MM per. Given where they are in the cycle, I don't see them overpaying on a new goalie.

Florida - 3 more years of Luongo, 2 more years of Reimer. They can't afford to go shopping.

Montreal - many many years more of Price at $10.5MM per season. Niemi is an expiring contract. They might want another goalie, but they can't afford to pay much for him with that ugly number beside Price's name.

Ottawa - Anderson has another year. They'll be looking for a backup to replace Nilsson.

Tampa Bay - Vasilevski has another year on a great value contract. Domingue also has another year and also is well priced.

Toronto - Their Andersen has two more years and Sparks is RFA. Probably not in the market.

So that means we have Phoenix, Chicago, St. Louis, Carolina, Philadelphia, and maybe Columbus and New Jersey in the market. You have Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Howard, maybe Allen available plus whoever is pushing in from overseas, college, the AHL or a back-up role. Talbot is probably getting another shot from someone too.

There wasn't going to be a tonne of competition for Koskinen. Bobrovsky and Varlamov are much more likely to draw the bidding war this summer. It's really hard to justify this dollar and term at this time, and it's even worse when you realize you probably only had to outbid a couple other teams, most of whom either have an issue with an expensive declining goaltender or serious budget constraints.

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Adam wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 18:13

Thinking about this some more...

I read a tweet from Rishaug saying the Oilers didn't want to take the risk of having to compete for Koskinen this summer...but how many teams are actually looking for a starting goalie next year?

Anaheim - Gibson is clear starter and signed for many years. Chad Johnson is UFA, but he's the backup.

Arizona - Kuemper has another year at $1.85MM, Pickard is UFA. They are likely in the market, but they're also cheap.

Calgary - Rittich is now the starter. He's RFA this summer. Smith is UFA and probably won't get asked back.

Los Angeles - Quick is under contract for another 5 years for big dollars. Jack Campbell is dirt cheap and locked up for another year as the backup.

San Jose - Martin Jones is locked up for another 5 years at big bucks too. Aaron Wells has another year on his deal at $1.9MM

Vancouver - Markstrom is a cheap starter at $3.67MM and signed for another year. They might look for a backup with Thatcher currently in the role, but he's cheap and RFA.

Vegas - Fleury is locked up a long time, at big bucks and is the face of the franchise. They have a couple of RFA options as back-up - and if someone believed in Subban, he might be ready for a shot somewhere.

Chicago - might be ready to move on from Crawford, but he's under contract for $6MM next year. Ward is UFA. They might be in the market.

Colorado - Varlamov is UFA, Grubauer under contract for the next few years. I'd predict Grubauer as their starter next year with Varlamov moving to another team and a cheaper backup option coming in.

Dallas - Bishop locked up long-term and Khudobin has another year on his deal. They're not in the market.

Minnesota - Dubnyk under contract for the next two years after this. Stalock is UFA, so they'll be looking for a back-up, not a starter.

Nashville - Rinne's old, but two more years on his deal and he's still playing relatively well. Saros is the heir apparent. Goalie factory in Nashville, so they never seem to need to look externally for the next one.

St. Louis - two more years of Jake Allen. Backup Binnington is an expiring RFA. You could definitely see St. Louis looking for an upgrade, especially if they could rid themselves of Allen - but then again, St. Louis is the Flyers of the West and never seems to invest in a decent goalie...

Winnipeg - Hellebucyk is the guy and he's inked long term at big bucks. Brossoit has been excellent as the back-up and probably gets re-upped as an RFA this summer.

Carolina - Mrazek and McElhinney are both UFAs. They're probably in the market.

Columbus - Bobrovsky is UFA and probably moving on. Korpisalo is RFA, and cheap, but could be the guy they look to. They're a solid maybe in the market.

New Jersey - Like Chicago, they have a starter who's been unable to live up to his paycheque due to injury. Schneider is under contract for years still at $6MM per, but they may still look for someone, especially with Kincaid UFA this summer. Kincaid will get another job somewhere though.

NY Islanders - Greiss with one more year, Lehner is UFA. Lamoriello is always economical with goalies. Doesn't overpay them. He MAY be in the market this year.

NY Rangers - Lundqvist has two more years at an incredible $8.5MM. That makes it really hard to go get someone else, and the Rangers are rebuilding. I expect they'll want a cheap backup to replace UFA Mazanec and that's it.

Philadelphia - So...many...goalies...and most of them UFA or RFA this year. They may hand the ball to Carter Hart next year, or they could go shopping. Being the Flyers, whatever they decide will be the worst goaltending decision possible...

Pittsburgh - Murray under contract for another year (at a good dollar value). Their back-up is signed for even longer.

Washington - Holtby makes big bucks ($6.1MM) for one more year. Will be in the market for a back-up.

Boston - Rask has two more years at $7.5MM. Halak has another year at $2.75MM. They're not in the market.

Buffalo - Hutton's got a couple more years. Ullnark is RFA. They could make a move potentially.

Detroit - Howard's a UFA and likely moving on - he's 34, but better numbers than Koskinen. He'll probably get another gig. Bernier has two more years at $3MM per. Given where they are in the cycle, I don't see them overpaying on a new goalie.

Florida - 3 more years of Luongo, 2 more years of Reimer. They can't afford to go shopping.

Montreal - many many years more of Price at $10.5MM per season. Niemi is an expiring contract. They might want another goalie, but they can't afford to pay much for him with that ugly number beside Price's name.

Ottawa - Anderson has another year. They'll be looking for a backup to replace Nilsson.

Tampa Bay - Vasilevski has another year on a great value contract. Domingue also has another year and also is well priced.

Toronto - Their Andersen has two more years and Sparks is RFA. Probably not in the market.

So that means we have Phoenix, Chicago, St. Louis, Carolina, Philadelphia, and maybe Columbus and New Jersey in the market. You have Bobrovsky, Varlamov, Howard, maybe Allen available plus whoever is pushing in from overseas, college, the AHL or a back-up role. Talbot is probably getting another shot from someone too.

There wasn't going to be a tonne of competition for Koskinen. Bobrovsky and Varlamov are much more likely to draw the bidding war this summer. It's really hard to justify this dollar and term at this time, and it's even worse when you realize you probably only had to outbid a couple other teams, most of whom either have an issue with an expensive declining goaltender or serious budget constraints.

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If something might happen, you gotta act like it's going to for sure. Like freeing up 18M of cap space in july in case of an offer sheet for Drai that you would have until September to work your cap to.

That's just solid management.



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Well put. Good research, sound conclusions. This signing is really impossible to defend. Then again, so was his $2.5M signing in the summer. Just absolutely ridiculous. I don't get a lot of live hockey down here anyway, but I've stopped passionately following even the online goings-on and the highlights. Sad to say, but all I care about this year is Connor winning the scoring race by a country mile. Given what has transpired over the past month and a half, can anybody really deny that the franchise needs a comprehensive house-cleaning at the administrative level? And PLEASE, someone just fire Chiareli already, so that he stops making these asinine moves that are going to continue to haunt and cost the franchise for years to come!!!!!!!!!!



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Hrudey said he was speechless. Then added that goalies all over the league must be overjoyed now (paraphrased). This organization is a joke.

The sample size is way too small. The term and salary are a massive gamble. If this blows up in their faces and they have 4-6 million tied up in goalies next year that can’t stop a puck they are screwed for an even longer time.

Having to shore up defence, wingers and goaltending at this time next year is a distinct possibility.

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I don’t see this issue here. We obviously have lots of cap space going forward and who among us hasn’t done an okay job at work for a few months and gotten a 200% raise? That’s show biz folks!

On the other hand, this is the sort of longer term consequence of not firing Chia soon enough that the next GM will have to deal with.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?

Oh dear. Do me a quick favour and punch 2,500,000 x 200% into your calculator.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:27

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?

Oh dear. Do me a quick favour and punch 2,500,000 x 200% into your calculator.


Yes his salary ($2.5 million) plus a 200% raise ($5 million) = $7.5 million.

Just trying to keep the hyperbole at slightly less than a Trunpian level.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 18:27

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?

Oh dear. Do me a quick favour and punch 2,500,000 x 200% into your calculator.


No, NetBOG has it correct here.

If you get a 10% raise, that means you're making 10% more than your current wage. Same logic for a 200% raise: 200% more than your current wage, not your current wage x 200%



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Goose wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:43

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 18:27

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?

Oh dear. Do me a quick favour and punch 2,500,000 x 200% into your calculator.


No, NetBOG has it correct here.

If you get a 10% raise, that means you're making 10% more than your current wage. Same logic for a 200% raise: 200% more than your current wage, not your current wage x 200%

Okay first of all thanks to both of you for telling me what I meant.

Secondly it is entirely within the realm of possibility that Chia would sign him to 7.5 million per year



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:27

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:21

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 19:17

gotten a 200% raise?


He's going to be making $7.5 million next year?

Oh dear. Do me a quick favour and punch 2,500,000 x 200% into your calculator.


If you were buzzfeed your slight inaccuracy in presenting your point would mean Koskinen is a legit #1 goalie now and Chia is the best GM ever icon_nod



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We are going to need some compliance buyouts in the new CBA.


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icon_lol What a bunch of clowns. rasta


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Boniman wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:26

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1087475622992011264


The number aside, the timing is flabbergasting. Why now?

If it was possible, Cam Talbot's value as any type of asset today is even smaller than yesterday. Chiarelli will trade him for nothing (not a player, not a prospect, not a pick) at the deadline AND retain salary. icon_lol

Chiarelli should no longer have the keys, he's dangerous.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 21:01

Boniman wrote on Mon, 21 January 2019 15:26

https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1087475622992011264


The number aside, the timing is flabbergasting. Why now?

If it was possible, Cam Talbot's value as any type of asset today is even smaller than yesterday. Chiarelli will trade him for nothing (not a player, not a prospect, not a pick) at the deadline AND retain salary. icon_lol

Chiarelli should no longer have the keys, he's dangerous.



They probably figured it would help Koskinen's bargaining position if they traded Talbot first. Koskinen would have got 6M AAV in that case.

Chose the smart path, 4.5M AAV and a reduced return for Talbot because everyone knows he's not staying.

Watch and learn people!



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A nice twitter thread here:

First this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxenqtmUYAElWV4.jpg:small


Then:

Quote:

Kawhi Not Us?
‏@mlse

“I’ve spoken with some of the passengers and they've said that in light of the water rushing in that they’re willing to take cabins on other ships” - D. Dreger April 14, 1912


Then a former Oilfans contributor weighs in:

Quote:

hrmcewan
@hrmcewan

Forgot the part where they were warned beforehand that the boat was thinking of hitting an iceberg.


Also this:

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Koski’s agent: We want 3 years and $6M

Pete: That’s Holtby money, seems a little steep

Koski’s agent: *holy #$%& he thinks I mean per year*

Pete: Would you do $4.5?


Also yes, now I'm just posting stuff people said online. I'm basically now writing articles for the CBC...

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Woke up this morning thinking this was just a bad dream. But nope.

What a stupid stupid stupid thing to do. Like everyone has said:

1) He has 27 games NHL experience
2) He was good in about half, not so good in the other half
3) So much money
4) So much term
5) Why did this need to be done now? How about give him the rest of the year to have a better idea what you have - price would not have gone any higher than what they gave him. FFS.

Man I wish I could have my salary negotiations with Chiarelli.




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Well at least they didn't give Koskinen a no move. So there is that. icon_neutral

Like I said, I am OK to spend 4.5 mill over 3 years on a starter. If you can get decent starting goaltending for that price point, I think that is just fine. When I look at who might be available for other goalies, the only guy I would want is Bob but he will be expensive. So if you as an organization determine you are done with Talbot ( I am fine with that decision), you set a budget for what you are willing to pay your starter (I am OK with the $ amount), you decide that based on who will be available, which teams will be looking for goalies and you decide that the few guys who might be better will be too expensive for you and the rest aren't any better, I can accept deciding to go with the guy you know.

BUT

Why now? Why sign him now?

Even if you decide that his dip in numbers was strictly because you lost Klefbom and Russell for a long time and now your whole team is playing crappy defense, why not WAIT a little?? Wait until Klefbom is back and you have a complete, healthy team and more importantly a healthy defense. Wait until you as a team go into the break, have a pile of meetings and a bunch of practices and get everyone playing defense again. Wait until you decide to run with Koskinen as your starter for a stretch, play him like you would a starter and see. See what happens. If he is rolling along for another month, you have your defense, you have your team playing properly and he is playing good hockey, THEN sign him. I personally don't think it costs you more if you wait another month.

I just don't know.



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