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 huynh
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Frustrating...
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darkknight
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Gilbert is completely unable to shoot the puck on the PP. All he can do is pass it down low to Hemmer of to the side to Souray...a total waste of that side of the point. Pisses me off so much.
He shoots, he Sykoras
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Oilfanforever!!
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Our power play is totally, totally useless!!! 
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if Gilbert's nothing more than a decoy for Souray and Hemsky or if he's really that ineffective. I don't wanna believe the later, but I think it's painfully true.
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darkknight
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He either has a terrible shot, or is too afraid to do anything out of the norm (pass to Hemsky or Souray) He has all the good shooting lanes since defenders are sticking with the aforementioned players but can't do anything with those lanes.
I think we need to stick a forward on the point who has a decent shot and will fire when it opens up for them....any suggesstions? I've looked down our roster and came up totally empty.
He shoots, he Sykoras
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AY
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I know for sure Gilbert misses the net alot. From the point. There was a moment or two in SJ where, swear to God, Souray was plain ignoring him. Like, if he wasn't goin' to shoot it, (expletive deleted) 'im.
But Gilbert's soft as butter, right. No mettle. So, he's got everyone from MacT on down to the paperboy tellin' 'im this and tellin' 'im that.
Gilbert's overwhelmed. Confused. Paralysis thru analysis.
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Skoobz
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Wah wah. Brutal. Cole sucks.
"[It was] really cool to throw on the Oilers gear, the gear that I want to play the rest of my life wearing. It was pretty cool to put it on. With all the history, it was a lot of fun." - Connor McDavid, July 1, 2015
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TJ39
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Location: British Columbia
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The biggest loss of the year.
After tonight me thinks the Oilers are going to be on the outside looking in once again, when the real season starts.
Kevin Lowe, he's got to have one of the easiest jobs in the world, he does nothing and he gets payed quite well to do nothing.
Also, it's sickening to watch certain players pay for their mistakes and in some cases the coach's mistakes, while others always have immunity.
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belle88
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Location: Toronto
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I've said for a while Gilbert is useless on the oilers powerplay. They overplay Souray, and he doesn't want to shoot the puck all he does is cycle it back to Hemsky and Hemsky tries to do something with it because Gilbert can't shoot the puck.
We need a D-men and quick. Strudwick can't be playing every game, he just doesn't have enough talent.
If you add up all Reddox's goals in terms of distance you might make it to the faceoff circle.
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The captain takes 23 minutes in penalties, including 3 bad minors is -1. Will he get called out or bag skated I wonder?  
If I was the coach, after Ott smashed Gilbert I would have simply told Stortini to go out and pound Modano, or Erickson or whatever skilled guy they have. It's the only language the disturbers and their ilk know. Jumping on a guy and giving him a face rub after h has been haranging our best player all game and then hitting one of our soft dmen late just doesn't cut it. but our moron of coach hasn't figured that out after 25 years in the league.
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Longcat
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| Beerfish Revisited wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 22:21 |
The captain takes 23 minutes in penalties, including 3 bad minors is -1. Will he get called out or bag skated I wonder?
If I was the coach, after Ott smashed Gilbert I would have simply told Stortini to go out and pound Modano, or Erickson or whatever skilled guy they have. It's the only language the disturbers and their ilk know. Jumping on a guy and giving him a face rub after h has been haranging our best player all game and then hitting one of our soft dmen late just doesn't cut it. but our moron of coach hasn't figured that out after 25 years in the league.
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What are you on about? This is the big time. Country club atmosphere and the barn is full every night. Why would guys put it on the line like that?
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57 |
I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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g2k
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| Beerfish Revisited wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:21 |
The captain takes 23 minutes in penalties, including 3 bad minors is -1. Will he get called out or bag skated I wonder?
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Well that would make for an uncomfortable flight on their shared vacation now wouldn't it?
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AY
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I'm pretty sure Gagner's is awful but that shot of his I've seen fourteen-year old's here in the Heartland get more on it.
Reddox is decent. But so what if JFJ touced that puck o'er his shoulder? There was no whistle on the play and Reddox pushed it in.
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HamBlaster
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I don't hate Dallas at all...
If you want to look at a team that plays pretty solid defense, has a great speed transition game and passes well instead of turning over the puck ALL THE TIME, you have the Dallas Stars.
I like the way that team plays. MacT should be showing vid clips of that game for the next week.
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Longcat
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I'm showing you people the way.
ME-DE-OH-KER da da dadada
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57 |
I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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V
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| Longcat wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:14 |
I'm showing you people the way.
ME-DE-OH-KER da da dadada
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Quit stealing Baron's material.
| Adam wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 11:39 |
V is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Suck it J$.
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Longcat
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| V wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 22:17 |
| Longcat wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:14 |
I'm showing you people the way.
ME-DE-OH-KER da da dadada
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Quit stealing Baron's material.
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I can't steal his material because I don't read his posts.
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57 |
I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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V
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You might want to check out his signature. It's been there for a while.
| Adam wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 11:39 |
V is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Suck it J$.
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Longcat
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| V wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 22:19 |
You might want to check out his signature. It's been there for a while.
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Well great minds think alike.
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57 |
I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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V
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Well, he did call you the best poster on Oilfans, so the term 'great minds' is obviously being used loosely.
| Adam wrote on Tue, 22 April 2008 11:39 |
V is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Suck it J$.
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oilerinvan
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Nice work Moreau, way to lead. Idiot.
Terrible loss.
Cole also is terrible.
Horcoff and MacIntyre rule.
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We just aren't a good enough team. We may stumble into the play-offs but I doubt it. I fear Mr. Lowe will trade picks and some player of decent quality for a rental just to save face and make the play-offs. We need a rebuild. I don't want to finish 8th anymore. We need to be able to compete once we get there. Does anyone think we will if we make it. Que the 2006 run and anything is possible. Our roster was way stronger then and I think the rest of the West is way stronger now.
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NZ Oiler Fan
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 09:55 |
Can't overstate the importance of this game with the Stars a point ahead of us and several teams right behind us ready to leapfrog us into a playoff spot.
The fact that we usually seem to pick the most important games to choke on, plus the fact that it's Dallas makes me afraid that we're going to see one of those boring, listless performances that we've seen so often this year.
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Snipped from my pre-game thread post.
Pretty pathetic effort all around. Reddox has looked good lately though.
Was I imagining things or was Stortini getting double-shifted in the third there?
Seems like he was on the ice more than Hemsky.
Going to be lucky to even salvage one point out of these three important games, although Calgary does seem to have been charitable lately giving up points to their opponents.
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 K.McC#24
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| NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:33 |
Was I imagining things or was Stortini getting double-shifted in the third there?
Seems like he was on the ice more than Hemsky.
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Would this surprise you? Stortini is making his way up to the 1st line!
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K.McC#24
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| oilerinvan wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:18 |
Nice work Moreau, way to lead. Idiot.
Terrible loss.
Cole also is terrible.
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Yeah I forgot to rag on Cole in my post. Weakest game of the year for Cole.
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AY
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you're gettin' all emotional again. ; )
That call against Moreau which led to Gilbert showing us again his worth on the PK was one they call too much. Stick in the mid-section and the DAL player goes down easy.
Moreau tendin' to the business of Ott and putting the team down a player after "fighting" Grossman or whatever might be another story... the refs pretty much evened that up, later. It's the Oilers who had the defacto five-on-three and were unable to capitalize.
You're exaggerrating for effect, I hope about Cole. Sure, he bungled that puck along the boards for one of DAL's goal but he played it even for the rest.
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K.McC#24
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| AY wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 22:52 |
you're gettin' all emotional again. ; )
That call against Moreau which led to Gilbert showing us again his worth on the PK was one they call too much. Stick in the mid-section and the DAL player goes down easy.
Moreau tendin' to the business of Ott and putting the team down a player after "fighting" Grossman or whatever might be another story... the refs pretty much evened that up, later. It's the Oilers who had the defacto five-on-three and were unable to capitalize.
You're exaggerrating for effect, I hope about Cole. Sure, he bungled that puck along the boards for one of DAL's goal but he played it even for the rest.
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Moreau's inexplicable double minor killed any momentum the Oilers had after tying the score AND allowed Dallas to go up 3-2. P--s poor, period. Sadly, constantly taking idiotic penalties trumps any grit you bring to the game, and Moreau's lack of self-control was a major factor in this loss. Moreau was a leader tonight, he led the team to defeat. I expect more savvy out of a veteran team captain.
One thing that has been consistent about Cole is effort and tenacity, even if he hasn't contributed on the scoresheet. Tonight it wasn't there, I thought it was his worst game of the year.
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AY
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he had a really, really bad one a couple of weeks ago... I'm sure it was at Rexall too.
What can you do? The DAL player went down easy, on that call. The extra two didn't really matter as they scored just as it expired or soon, very soon afterward. Sure it was completely unecessary...
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oilerinvan
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 23:27 |
| AY wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 22:52 |
you're gettin' all emotional again. ; )
That call against Moreau which led to Gilbert showing us again his worth on the PK was one they call too much. Stick in the mid-section and the DAL player goes down easy.
Moreau tendin' to the business of Ott and putting the team down a player after "fighting" Grossman or whatever might be another story... the refs pretty much evened that up, later. It's the Oilers who had the defacto five-on-three and were unable to capitalize.
You're exaggerrating for effect, I hope about Cole. Sure, he bungled that puck along the boards for one of DAL's goal but he played it even for the rest.
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Moreau's inexplicable double minor killed any momentum the Oilers had after tying the score AND allowed Dallas to go up 3-2. P--s poor, period. Sadly, constantly taking idiotic penalties trumps any grit you bring to the game, and Moreau's lack of self-control was a major factor in this loss. Moreau was a leader tonight, he led the team to defeat. I expect more savvy out of a veteran team captain.
One thing that has been consistent about Cole is effort and tenacity, even if he hasn't contributed on the scoresheet. Tonight it wasn't there, I thought it was his worst game of the year.
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It is Moreau's consistency in taking those dumb penalties that really chafes me. It is not the first time he has killed momentum this season.
I agree. Cole generally brings effort and a few intangibles, but I am pretty sure that is not why he was brought here. Arguably the worst passer on the team. Maybe equal with Moreau.
Horcoff and MacIntyre rule.
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Suomalainen
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Yuk.
I have to make it longer than one word...so
Ick.
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K.McC#24
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The Oilers GAG again.
2 Facts about the Oilers and this hockey game:
1) Stupid penalties: Moreau (the King of Dumb Penalties) with a double minor that both killed the Oilers' momentum AND gave the Stars the 3-2 lead. Hemsky and Horcoff each contributed with terrible penalties. Hard to get anything going when your shorthanded.
2) After years together in the league, the Oilers coaching staff has no answer for the trap.....never have, never will. Same old familiar story, the Oilers were constantly circling the wagons in their own half of the rink.
Dallas is extremely short in terms of high-end manpower, and this game was available for the Oilers going in. The Oilers are short on the backend...but even if Lubo or Grebs were in there, it wouldn't have made a bit of a difference. Why? Because Dallas had a plan and executed it to perfection, and by all appearances the Oilers didn't have the counter-strategy and didn't execute.
<Sigh> The Oilers remain an enigma. What else is new? This was THE game, what could have been the pivotal game in the season, and the team serves up this undisciplined pile of garbage.
I don't think it would be a bad idea to start JD next game, but of course Roloson will be in. Roloson will play every game from this point in of course, until he's hurt or falls over dead.
I don't expect a bounce-back Saturday night. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm calling the Flames in a lop-sided score.
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xtremist
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:29 |
The Oilers GAG again.
2 Facts about the Oilers and this hockey game:
1) Stupid penalties: Moreau (the King of Dumb Penalties) with a double minor that both killed the Oilers' momentum AND gave the Stars the 3-2 lead. Hemsky and Horcoff each contributed with terrible penalties. Hard to get anything going when your shorthanded.
2) After years together in the league, the Oilers coaching staff has no answer for the trap.....never have, never will. Same old familiar story, the Oilers were constantly circling the wagons in their own half of the rink.
Dallas is extremely short in terms of high-end manpower, and this game was available for the Oilers going in. The Oilers are short on the backend...but even if Lubo or Grebs were in there, it wouldn't have made a bit of a difference. Why? Because Dallas had a plan and executed it to perfection, and by all appearances the Oilers didn't have the counter-strategy and didn't execute.
<Sigh> The Oilers remain an enigma. What else is new? This was THE game, what could have been the pivotal game in the season, and the team serves up this undisciplined pile of garbage.
I don't think it would be a bad idea to start JD next game, but of course Roloson will be in. Roloson will play every game from this point in of course, until he's hurt or falls over dead.
I don't expect a bounce-back Saturday night. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm calling the Flames in a lop-sided score.
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Pretty much my thoughts exactly on everything. Dallas was ripe to be taken out due to their injuries but they played a smart game and within themselves. They kept a clamp down on the Oil, waited for them to take stupid penalties, then capitalized.
That the Oil could not get themselves up for this game and shown more fire is disturbing. Inconsistency is killing this team and it starts at the coach. Moreau will not be called out, benched, or bag skated even though he fully and completely deserves it. He's one of the dumbest team captains of any team in any sport and I'm certain he inspires neither confidence nor focus from the rest of the room and especially the young guys. MacT looking baffled all the time is also quite inspiring as well.
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17Kurri17
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Speaking of inspiring confidence, anybody hear the props Mike Brophy was giving Shawn Horcoff during the 2nd intermission... I couldn't believe my ears. He was making #10 out to be Messier or something. Just goes to show you what happens when an analyst is forced to eat up minutes on TV and really doesn't have a clue as to what he is saying.
Fire MacT
"I can't really heard (sic) what Jeremy says because I got my two Stanley Cup ring (sic) plug (sic) in my ear"
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Oilfanforever!!
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You know what? As much as I hate Ott - I would sell my sister to have him on my team!! He's ALL heart and the guy we had last year (Raffi) is long gone along with our two best faceoff guys!! yeesh
I swear KLOWE made a deal with the devil in 2006 for us to get to within 2 goals of winning the cup!! What was the downside to that deal?! 5 years of absolute aggravation and frustration!!? yikes
This team is trying to play hard and for the most part it's been working but there's a difference between hard edged hockey and taking dumb penalties!!! and saving the best for last - our captain is the worst culprit of them all!! Yet another game that tells me he has no business being captain!!
"McDavid is as good as I’ve seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the league in the last 30 years." Gretzky
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philly boy
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Come on people let's not overreact here.
I agree it was an ugly game to watch, Moreau with almost half of the team's penalty minutes.
But they never have success in Dallas. Virtually ever.
They continually choke in big game opportunities, and these are the traits of an average team.
Lesson of the day? Don't ever expect spectacular things from these guys, they rarely deliver when it counts. Why? It's a mix between youth and inexperience, shoddy leadership and mediocre coaching ability.
Edmonton is the definition of mediocrity, and this is no joke.
So I'm not even upset by this loss, it was as certain as death.
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oilchamp_34
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Just plain frustrating.
Its over ten minutes into the final peroid when they are down and they have just a single shot.
Is anyone content with this?
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g2k
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| oilchamp_34 wrote on Thu, 19 February 2009 21:41 |
Just plain frustrating.
Its over ten minutes into the final peroid when they are down and they have just a single shot.
Is anyone content with this?
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Possibly the person in my avatar?
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam #ownerisacreep
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oilchamp_34
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Man, if KLowe is content then there are bigger problems than I thought!
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