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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #788829 is a reply to message #788828 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 14:26

Adam wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 14:08

CrusaderPi wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 13:36

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)

oh yeah, total dick move, but it's the culmination of a legendary dick season. Fake an injury to avoid cap issues, come back for the playoffs, win the cup and absolutely trash the competition instead of being a good winner. Classic Russian.

Oh the injury was real. Maybe the last month of rehab was slightly extended, but he's an old man. He's got to be careful with that sort of thing.


He did have surgery after all...but yeah, he probably could have played the last 4-6 weeks of the season.

Worth reminding people who whine and moan about this that Montreal was $8MM over the cap hit too. Benching a guy for a year isn't the only way to get around the cap. Trading for people at the deadline means that you get an $8MM player at a $2MM cap hit, so it's pretty easy to be well above the cap in the playoffs and many teams were (although I don't think anyone else was as far above as Tampa). The Oilers, fortunately, played entirely by the rules and I don't think we were much if any above the cap. Phew! I'm so glad we played that clean!

Re: Montreal being over. Shush you.

Even from a non-cap perspective, I think TB handling Kucherov's return slowly was probably a good idea. Why rush a really important player back when the team is good enough to make the playoffs anyway? Think of it as overripening a rehab or NHL load management. I find it hard to get mad at an organization for doing right by their players and their fans.


Tampa is a well-run and savvy organization. They've done so many things right:

- Good smart cap management
- Great top end players, but also phenomenal depth
- They've kept guys even when there's duplication of skill set. Would the Oilers have ever run a defence with both Hedman and Sergachev at LD? Or would they have become disappointed because the 2nd pairing guy without the same PP push isn't putting up stats at the same rate and traded him away at pennies on the dollar?
- Sold their advantages hard with potential free agents - they have paid decent salaries but not top dollar to any of their guys.
- Smart trades to bolster an already good team going in to the playoffs
- Great coach - and they stuck with him through some playoff disappointments when other teams would probably have pulled the trigger on firing him.
- Willing to pull every lever to give themselves the best chance to win. Don't give a fig whether other teams like the way they've built their team. They seem to realize it isn't a popularity contest.
- Multiple successful routes for acquiring good players. Trade, sign, draft & develop, college guys, etc.

They should be the model for the Oilers to follow. Unfortunately I'm sure that our management will look at Montreal fluking their way to the final in the biggest cinderella run since the 1991 North Stars and think that that's the team they should model after...




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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #788831 is a reply to message #788808 ]
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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 12:22

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 07 July 2021 22:37

https://twitter.com/reporterchris/status/1412989893991673862 ?s=20

Epic postgame interview from Kucherov.


I'll be the sourpuss that calls Kuch a dick. Those fans he is complaining about cheering too much in Montreal have been helping pay his salary and keep his team afloat his whole career :)


I’m with you buddy. I wonder how good this guy would be on a non stacked team, not denying his talent but the guy has 2 cups in 2 years and he can say what he wants I guess.

Canadian cities celebrate in the streets after a 1st round victory, seen it here in Calgary and was at Game 6 against Detroit in 2006. Whyte Ave was amazing, it’s just what we do. Stop being so butthurt that your fans just go to bed after the games.



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 Re: 2021 Playoffs Thread (OOT) [message #788834 is a reply to message #785046 ]
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Record ratings in Canada for the playoffs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5zBoJOXEAIxmtD?format=jpg&name=small

USA ratings for game 4 were 2.6M, so probably 1M+ less per game on average.

Kucherov of course does not approve. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Stupid fans in Canada, why even watch these games? Playoffs were over last round!



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 18:25

Record ratings in Canada for the playoffs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5zBoJOXEAIxmtD?format=jpg&name=small

USA ratings for game 4 were 2.6M, so probably 1M+ less per game on average.

Kucherov of course does not approve. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Stupid fans in Canada, why even watch these games? Playoffs were over last round!


I wouldn’t make a lot of decisions based on that. It IS July.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 20:35

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 08 July 2021 18:25

Record ratings in Canada for the playoffs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E5zBoJOXEAIxmtD?format=jpg&name=small

USA ratings for game 4 were 2.6M, so probably 1M+ less per game on average.

Kucherov of course does not approve. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? Stupid fans in Canada, why even watch these games? Playoffs were over last round!


I wouldn’t make a lot of decisions based on that. It IS July.

It wasn't THAT much later than the normal finals. The Blues won their cup on June 12.

Why the NHL believes people want hockey in June and July is beyond me.



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Tampa busted the cup. Had to be taken away from them for repairs

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inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:28

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.


I guess as long as the starting and end team are different retention is OK? I can't think of a move where a team took a possession of a player and traded them right back to the original team with retention. It's a bit shady. Not as shady as a 18M over the cap stuff, but still shady :)



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 10:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:28

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.


I guess as long as the starting and end team are different retention is OK? I can't think of a move where a team took a possession of a player and traded them right back to the original team with retention. It's a bit shady. Not as shady as a 18M over the cap stuff, but still shady :)


I think there are rules against trading a guy back to the original team in order to get cap relief, but this wouldn't be a trade. He'd be picked up by Seattle in the expansion draft which is a different animal.

Seattle could pick him up and trade him to any other team with salary retention, so why not back to Montreal?



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Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 10:55

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 10:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:28

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.


I guess as long as the starting and end team are different retention is OK? I can't think of a move where a team took a possession of a player and traded them right back to the original team with retention. It's a bit shady. Not as shady as a 18M over the cap stuff, but still shady :)


I think there are rules against trading a guy back to the original team in order to get cap relief, but this wouldn't be a trade. He'd be picked up by Seattle in the expansion draft which is a different animal.

Seattle could pick him up and trade him to any other team with salary retention, so why not back to Montreal?



NHL likes to selectively address the gray areas sometimes. And make up new exceptions as they go like giving away our picks. Guess they are choosing to consider an expansion pick as a zero return trade for the purpose of making sure Seattle can't start taking and flipping back bad cap hits for assets.

Guess it kinda makes sense. They would probably do 3 of these moves if that was allowed. Then you start a bidding war for getting to use one of Seattle's 3 retention spots.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:28

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.


I guess as long as the starting and end team are different retention is OK? I can't think of a move where a team took a possession of a player and traded them right back to the original team with retention. It's a bit shady. Not as shady as a 18M over the cap stuff, but still shady :)


Not quite the same, but Washington and Brooks Orpik is in the same nature. You are not allowed to buy out a player and re-sign the same player, so Washington used the Avalanche as a proxy. Orpik was traded to the Avs who bought him out immediately. Then that same offseason, Washington signed Brooks Orpik to a lesser deal than his bought out deal.

The NHL didn't seem to like it and questioned the Capitals, but they faced no repercussions.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-clears-capitals-trad ing-signing-brooks-orpik-buyout/



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smyth260 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 11:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:50

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:28

CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:18

Adam wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 09:13

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 19 July 2021 08:32

inverno76 wrote on Sun, 18 July 2021 20:06

https://twitter.com/hockeyagent1/status/1416939094005981189? s=21

Is this first social media heel in NHL history? I love it!


Lol. Overcompensating because he knows his team scammed the cap.

NHL doesnt seem to be embarrassed that Kuch is so happily embracing the scam. They did call up Montreal and Seattle to tell them to not even consider a trade back of Price with retention though.


I don't understand why that would be against the rules. Montreal would have had to pay the Kraken for that, significantly at that.

I saw screenshots of tweets from 2017 saying the NHL explicitly said it was okay.


What's the difference between that and washing a deal through a third team to have more salary cap carried elsewhere? The end result is the same, other than the benefiting team is the one who signed the original deal. But there's a true cost to them...

Bizarre.


I guess as long as the starting and end team are different retention is OK? I can't think of a move where a team took a possession of a player and traded them right back to the original team with retention. It's a bit shady. Not as shady as a 18M over the cap stuff, but still shady :)


Not quite the same, but Washington and Brooks Orpik is in the same nature. You are not allowed to buy out a player and re-sign the same player, so Washington used the Avalanche as a proxy. Orpik was traded to the Avs who bought him out immediately. Then that same offseason, Washington signed Brooks Orpik to a lesser deal than his bought out deal.

The NHL didn't seem to like it and questioned the Capitals, but they faced no repercussions.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/nhl-clears-capitals-trad ing-signing-brooks-orpik-buyout/


Yeah, kind of similar. I guess how part of that process allowed the player to sign with any team as a UFA made it more tolerable. Think Calgary turned Stone into a lower cap hit just all on their own, buying him out and he signed back with them for cheap. Making new rules to restrict who a bought out UFA could sign with would maybe be a bridge too far for the league.

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Mark Messier award already locked up for next season?

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This excerpt from a Russian interview where Zadorov talks about Nathan Mackinnon is pretty… I don’t know, inspiring? Eye-opening? The literal price of greatness.


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MacKinnon just ruling that dressing room with an iron fist to ensure peak conditioning for amazing 2nd round losses every year.



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MacKinnon just ruling that dressing room with an iron fist to ensure peak conditioning for amazing 2nd round losses every year.


Interesting. He appears to act exactly like he looks he'd act.



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So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 07:54

So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.


I don’t know but Michael Jordan won 6 championships that way…



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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 08:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 07:54

So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.


I don’t know but Michael Jordan won 6 championships that way…


Very true but hasn't happened yet and every year that goes by it will get tougher because the big advantage that had was players grossly outperforming their dirt cheap deals. McKinnon is probably a top 10 player making mid range money. Only 2 years left before he will get a BIG jump even if he takes less.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 09:06

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 08:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 07:54

So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.


I don’t know but Michael Jordan won 6 championships that way…


Very true but hasn't happened yet and every year that goes by it will get tougher because the big advantage that had was players grossly outperforming their dirt cheap deals. McKinnon is probably a top 10 player making mid range money. Only 2 years left before he will get a BIG jump even if he takes less.

He deserves at least Darnell Nurse money



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 09:06

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 08:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 07:54

So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.


I don’t know but Michael Jordan won 6 championships that way…


Very true but hasn't happened yet and every year that goes by it will get tougher because the big advantage that had was players grossly outperforming their dirt cheap deals. McKinnon is probably a top 10 player making mid range money. Only 2 years left before he will get a BIG jump even if he takes less.


I agree - I think this is a bad way to coach, and it's not being a good teammate.

I do think there is something to be said for holding each other to a high standard, and maybe this is a little bit of exaggeration here, as opposed to the true reality, but even so - this would be taking things too far if it is true.

And you're right - if you are lighting up your teammates for their mistakes, you better be ready and willing to take it right back when you do.

Apparently Mike Smith is somewhat like this too - just a jerk when he thinks a defenceman makes a mistake. Apparently is somewhat willing to have it put on him when he lets in a bad goal too - although I think there's a level at which that isn't healthy too.

People aren't going to play perfect hockey at any level ever. So mistakes are coaching moments, but generally, players can't be afraid to make mistakes. If you play like a robot, chances are you aren't taking any chances, which means little to no offence.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 14:41


People aren't going to play perfect hockey at any level ever. So mistakes are coaching moments, but generally, players can't be afraid to make mistakes. If you play like a robot, chances are you aren't taking any chances, which means little to no offence.


Saving this part of your post for this season when Barrie, Keith or Ceci cheat for offence and you absolutely lambaste them, despite the oilers being a significantly better team than recent memory. 😉



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 16:10

Adam wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 14:41


People aren't going to play perfect hockey at any level ever. So mistakes are coaching moments, but generally, players can't be afraid to make mistakes. If you play like a robot, chances are you aren't taking any chances, which means little to no offence.


Saving this part of your post for this season when Barrie, Keith or Ceci cheat for offence and you absolutely lambaste them, despite the oilers being a significantly better team than recent memory. 😉


The difference is that I'm not part of the dressing room, and I'm not calling them out to their faces.

The reason you have video is that you do want to talk to players about their mistakes and diagnose what went wrong and how it could have been done better. At the highest level of sports, to an extent it's muscle memory that gets you to do the right thing at the right time - so if someone is making an error, you may want to address that.

That is different than throwing them under the bus to the media after the game, or screaming at them about a missed pass in practice. And it's certainly a lot different than commenting and attributing a mistake in a game day thread on a fan board that no player on the team ever visits, or posting on my protected-and-locked-down twitter account to my 24 followers.

I do have one regret in my time with Oilfans - I do think that I may have coined the Huggy Bear nickname that really caught on. I was calling him it from early early in his career and Oilfans had much more traffic then, and you could just see it spread. I heard that the player had become aware of the nickname and that it really bothered him. That makes me a little sad - and I've tried not to use derisive nicknames ever since, because that's not helpful to a team that I really want to see win if my actions are upsetting players on the team. He may very well have got that nickname even if I didn't start it, and maybe I'm giving myself too much credit and it kicked off somewhere else as well, but it still isn't good.

My issue with the Duncan Keith trade isn't with Duncan Keith, and my issue with the Cody Ceci signing isn't with Cody Ceci. I hope they both do well and prove me wrong. The issue is that the management made really longshot bets and staked a LOT on those longshots coming through. It's the same with the goaltending. I want Smith and Koskinen to do well, I just think that it's pretty clear from all the historical stats that it isn't a good bet that they will, and we've staked $7.485MM of cap space and yet another year of McDavid's prime on that bet.

If I was running an NHL team, I wouldn't be against taking on some long-shot bets, but not at a high price. I'm fine with acquiring Keith and betting on him being better than last year, but not paying a draft pick, a prospect with value, and taking on massive cap for it. And before you let your bias say that Jones wasn't worth anything, the Blackhawks protected him over other options in their organization, so they clearly DID value him. That's a terrible bet that we at best come out even on (and that's a long shot).

I'm fine with signing Cody Ceci if the deal makes sense, but they signed him to a 4-year deal at second pairing money, and then they have their employee (Stauffer) saying within a week that the team is hoping that Bouchard passes him on the depth chart during the season - meaning that once again we'll have a grossly overpaid 3rd pairing defenceman. That's another terrible bet, where it's hard to see ANY shot of that being a good value for the life of the deal.

I'm fine with trading an up-and-coming RHD in Bear if you understand the value of that. There is a shortage of good RHD - the Oilers were saying themselves that it's the hardest position to fill out (although they've shown worse ability at goalie, but that's another story) - and yet somehow we agree that the value of him is for a third line winger in a contract dispute. This is the best bet of the three, and it's still pretty bad.

I think the forwards are better, the defence is worse and the goaltending, which was a bad risk last year is an abysmally bad risk this year. Our crummy division means we have a 100 point season and finish in 2nd place, and yet, we won't be real contenders unless the GM somehow makes good bets during the season to bolster the goaltending and defence. The track record for Holland makes even that a bad bet to see happen.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 14:41

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 09:06

smyth260 wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 08:58

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 11 August 2021 07:54

So here is a question. When you have a star like that who loses their mind on teammates for what appears to be any mistake no matter how big or small, what happens when he makes a mistake? These guys are humans, not robots so I am sure he makes the odd mistake. So do teammates get up in his face and cuss him out when he misses a pass?

Sounds like a real healthy room.


I don’t know but Michael Jordan won 6 championships that way…


Very true but hasn't happened yet and every year that goes by it will get tougher because the big advantage that had was players grossly outperforming their dirt cheap deals. McKinnon is probably a top 10 player making mid range money. Only 2 years left before he will get a BIG jump even if he takes less.


I agree - I think this is a bad way to coach, and it's not being a good teammate.

I do think there is something to be said for holding each other to a high standard, and maybe this is a little bit of exaggeration here, as opposed to the true reality, but even so - this would be taking things too far if it is true.

And you're right - if you are lighting up your teammates for their mistakes, you better be ready and willing to take it right back when you do.

Apparently Mike Smith is somewhat like this too - just a jerk when he thinks a defenceman makes a mistake. Apparently is somewhat willing to have it put on him when he lets in a bad goal too - although I think there's a level at which that isn't healthy too.

People aren't going to play perfect hockey at any level ever. So mistakes are coaching moments, but generally, players can't be afraid to make mistakes. If you play like a robot, chances are you aren't taking any chances, which means little to no offence.


The story kind of has a selfish spin. Like how extremely important he makes it that everyone give him perfect passes. And he'll just not even try to take the puck if you pass it 15cm away from where his stick is. That's kind of a "I'm the guy that's gonna win us games, don't you dare hold me back" kind of deal to me.

And yeah, it's not working. And he looked like crap for more than half that Vegas series. When his opponent plays loose or are just bad, he runs wild and is crowned the best player ever. When the competition finally gets tough and is able to compete defensively, guy goes cold. SJS held him pointless 3 games straight for his 2nd round loss a couple years ago. He looked decent losing to Dallas, but Dallas was 90% goalie, not that great of a team. Vegas neutralized him after their 1st game where they played like crap and were tired and MacKinnon took advantage for 1 night.

Bummer for McDavid he's only played goalies running hot in all of his series. Hope one day he gets a lousy matchup like Mackinnon gets every year to silence the crap about his playoff performances.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 17 September 2021 11:42

Someone used their time off of playoffs and the summer to work on their art skills


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We challenged Roman Josi to draw the @PredsNHL logo in 60 seconds.

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Haha, that's why he is a professional hockey player.



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