| All Star Team Selection Process [message #797393] |
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 Skookum Jim
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Should EVERY Team Have Min. 1 Player? [ 31 vote(s) ] |
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| 1. | Yes, ONE Player Minimum.. ParticipAction Baby! Equal Outcomes for All! |  9 / 29% | | 2. | No, The All Star Game should include the BEST Regardless of Team Representation | 22 / 71% |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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K.McC#24
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 14 January 2022 23:40 |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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The purpose of the game is really to showcase talent from markets they want to recover or emerge. Since it's more or less nothing event to me, I'm good with participation from all clubs. Otherwise some teams would rarely have participants and fans check out. Fans who understand the game know who the best players are, and what accolades for players really are, being SC rings and other playoff hardware.
I don't remember a 6 team league, but I think the game at some point was allstars vs the previous year's SC champion.
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Adam
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Sat, 15 January 2022 13:34 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 14 January 2022 23:40 |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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The purpose of the game is really to showcase talent from markets they want to recover or emerge. Since it's more or less nothing event to me, I'm good with participation from all clubs. Otherwise some teams would rarely have participants and fans check out. Fans who understand the game know who the best players are, and what accolades for players really are, being SC rings and other playoff hardware.
I don't remember a 6 team league, but I think the game at some point was allstars vs the previous year's SC champion.
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It's not quite the event it once was, and I think part of that is that it's so watered down. In a 21 team league, having someone from every team wasn't that hard to accommodate (and I don't think the league always did it back then) but in a 32 team league? That doesn't leave a lot of room.
It's not even a real game though now - just a scrimmage with incomplete teams and a hundred breakaways. I think it's pretty much irrelevant other than a weekend for schmoozing the sponsors and a few days off for the players lucky enough to not be selected.
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mightyreasoner
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Honestly, I find it hard to form a real opinion about the All-Star Game, because I just don't care about it. Especially this year, it feels crazy to be hosting it - seems like the perfect way to ensure all 32 teams simultaneously have another COVID outbreak and that the league is forced into another 2 week shutdown.
Given the NHL yanked the Olympics away from the players, in their position, I would feel absolutely no obligation to attend this spectacle, especially this year. I wouldn't fault Connor and Leon and all if they got "banged up" the week of the All-Star Game and didn't go.
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nullterm
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Veteran game should be the best of the best. If you don't like being snubbed, get better players.
Rookie game should be one per team.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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Skookum Jim
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| nullterm wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 16:11 |
Veteran game should be the best of the best. If you don't like being snubbed, get better players.
Rookie game should be one per team.
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Agree.
The days when Horcoff was an "All-star" was a mockery. It was an embarrassment to the Oiler fan base as well.. like the franchise was being mocked by the NHL.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Babaganoosh2.0
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 17:56 |
| nullterm wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 16:11 |
Veteran game should be the best of the best. If you don't like being snubbed, get better players.
Rookie game should be one per team.
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Agree.
The days when Horcoff was an "All-star" was a mockery. It was an embarrassment to the Oiler fan base as well.. like the franchise was being mocked by the NHL.
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So in 2008 ( his only ASG) when Horcoff was almost a point per game at the break and everyone was calling him scorecoff he didn't deserve to go. Come on man. This current team could use a Horcoff.
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Dragon_Matt
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Yeah, a solid 3rd line center is a big piece.
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CrudeRemarks
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| Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 18 January 2022 11:22 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 17:56 |
| nullterm wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 16:11 |
Veteran game should be the best of the best. If you don't like being snubbed, get better players.
Rookie game should be one per team.
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Agree.
The days when Horcoff was an "All-star" was a mockery. It was an embarrassment to the Oiler fan base as well.. like the franchise was being mocked by the NHL.
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So in 2008 ( his only ASG) when Horcoff was almost a point per game at the break and everyone was calling him scorecoff he didn't deserve to go. Come on man. This current team could use a Horcoff.
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I think proven drug cheat Shawn Horcoff should have an asterisk next to his all-star game appearance.
You can't always get what you want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you can get a lottery pick.
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Babaganoosh2.0
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| CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 18 January 2022 22:58 |
| Babaganoosh2.0 wrote on Tue, 18 January 2022 11:22 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 17:56 |
| nullterm wrote on Sun, 16 January 2022 16:11 |
Veteran game should be the best of the best. If you don't like being snubbed, get better players.
Rookie game should be one per team.
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Agree.
The days when Horcoff was an "All-star" was a mockery. It was an embarrassment to the Oiler fan base as well.. like the franchise was being mocked by the NHL.
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So in 2008 ( his only ASG) when Horcoff was almost a point per game at the break and everyone was calling him scorecoff he didn't deserve to go. Come on man. This current team could use a Horcoff.
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I think proven drug cheat Shawn Horcoff should have an asterisk next to his all-star game appearance.
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In fairness the NHLs substance abuse program should have an asterisk next to it too. The NHL will only punish players it deems expendable. You will never see a big star flagged. NHL is too hush hush. Case and point Evgeny Kuznetsov. IIHF was the only ones to test him. Only after pictures of him doing blow were everywhere. NHL suspended him 3 games for getting caught.
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GabbyDugan
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Fastest skater competition 2022 All-Star Game. Connor is slipping. He used to win this one easily.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/complete-results-2022-n hl-star-skills-competition/
• Kyle Connor, Winnipeg Jets - 13.851 seconds
• Adrian Kempe, Los Angeles Kings - 13.585 seconds
• Chris Kreider, NY Rangers - 13.664 seconds
• Evgeny Kuznetsov, Washington Capitals - 14.559 seconds
• Jordan Kyrou, St. Louis Blues - 13.550 seconds
• Dylan Larkin, Detroit Red Wings - 14.116 seconds
• Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche - 13.834 seconds
• Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers - 13.690 seconds
Don't know why they would list this one in alphabetical order. Just to make McDavid look bad? Oh well, on this day Connor was fourth fastest. On another day he probably finishes higher.
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CrusaderPi
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Well, Giordano did intentionally explode his knee.
Fortunately, I haven't noticed McDavid being slower in games. I do think he's gotten even better on his edges. The only guy that's even close to Connor's edge work is Cale Makar
East of the Rockies and west of the rest.
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K.McC#24
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 11:43 |
Well, Giordano did intentionally explode his knee.
Fortunately, I haven't noticed McDavid being slower in games. I do think he's gotten even better on his edges. The only guy that's even close to Connor's edge work is Cale Makar
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They should somehow have a competition for fastest skater while controlling a puck and making a memorable play. I don't think that would be close.
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Adam
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| CrusaderPi wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 11:43 |
Well, Giordano did intentionally explode his knee.
Fortunately, I haven't noticed McDavid being slower in games. I do think he's gotten even better on his edges. The only guy that's even close to Connor's edge work is Cale Makar
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I suspect that he cares less than he once did about this.
It’s a bit dangerous going full out around the rink and it’s a meaningless competition.
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Skookum Jim
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| GabbyDugan wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 08:30 |
Fastest skater competition 2022 All-Star Game. Connor is slipping. He used to win this one easily.
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/complete-results-2022-n hl-star-skills-competition/
• Kyle Connor, Winnipeg Jets - 13.851 seconds
• Adrian Kempe, Los Angeles Kings - 13.585 seconds
• Chris Kreider, NY Rangers - 13.664 seconds
• Evgeny Kuznetsov, Washington Capitals - 14.559 seconds
• Jordan Kyrou, St. Louis Blues - 13.550 seconds
• Dylan Larkin, Detroit Red Wings - 14.116 seconds
• Cale Makar, Colorado Avalanche - 13.834 seconds
• Connor McDavid, Edmonton Oilers - 13.690 seconds
Don't know why they would list this one in alphabetical order. Just to make McDavid look bad? Oh well, on this day Connor was fourth fastest. On another day he probably finishes higher.
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I think Connor just wanted to get out of that promo snooze-fest as soon as he could.. NHLPA obligation fullfilled.. he barely put in an effort in the mini-game either..
Done and dusted.. no injuries.. get on the plane and get home. ✅
[Updated on: Sat, 05 February 2022 17:14]
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 14 January 2022 23:40 |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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Oh the Allstar stuff is done already?
Sure the star players are so happy they still had time for this with no Olympics.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
- #2, April 2015
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Skookum Jim
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| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 17:27 |
Oh the Allstar stuff is done already?
Sure the star players are so happy they still had time for this with no Olympics.
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Hey what Vegas wants, Vegas gets..
These things are getting worse and worse each year.. no wonder guys aquire injuries to get out of it.
McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Kr55
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| Skookum Jim wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 20:22 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 17:27 |
Oh the Allstar stuff is done already?
Sure the star players are so happy they still had time for this with no Olympics.
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Hey what Vegas wants, Vegas gets..
These things are getting worse and worse each year.. no wonder guys aquire injuries to get out of it.
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I appreciate OV's yearly injury within a game or 2 of the allstar break. McDavid should start thinking about it
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
- #2, April 2015
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NetBOG
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| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 18:27 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 14 January 2022 23:40 |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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Oh the Allstar stuff is done already?
Sure the star players are so happy they still had time for this with no Olympics.
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The All-Star was always on the schedule. Just taking flights home now instead of to Beijing.
The ASG has never been about players enjoying themselves. It's a salary free game for the league to use for marketing and advertiser relations. It also gets a higher rating than nearly all other regular seasons games.
Players should (and for the most part do) just consider it another part of the job.
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Kr55
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| NetBOG wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 22:12 |
| Kr55 wrote on Sat, 05 February 2022 18:27 |
| Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 14 January 2022 23:40 |
Should EVERY Team have a MINIMUM ONE Player in the All Game?
This was brought up by McKinnon recently after their leading scorer, Kadri was left off.
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Oh the Allstar stuff is done already?
Sure the star players are so happy they still had time for this with no Olympics.
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The All-Star was always on the schedule. Just taking flights home now instead of to Beijing.
The ASG has never been about players enjoying themselves. It's a salary free game for the league to use for marketing and advertiser relations. It also gets a higher rating than nearly all other regular seasons games.
Players should (and for the most part do) just consider it another part of the job.
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Hope it's all worth it. Hard to quantify, but would think having the best at the Olympics is always a great way to promote the sport and try to get new people interested.
All I see is wise cracks from fans and disinterest from players on the ice with the all-star weekend. Having the smoke machine right next to the microphone for the skill comp interests was a nice touch though. Nice sound like someone blowing compressed air directly into your ear over and over. League just keeps upping their production values.
"The Edmonton Oilers are not where they should be right now and that is unacceptable. We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
-Kevin Lowe, April 2013
"Next year (15/16) I would forecast as another developmental year"
- #2, April 2015
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