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It comes down to effort. They won't win until they start winning more puck battles. That's from McD down.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 09:01

It comes down to effort. They won't win until they start winning more puck battles. That's from McD down.


I'll say it because I think it needs to be said. The issues plaguing the Oilers are not related to McDavid or Draisaitl. I've heard rumblings of this from some of the media guys too - but come on. They're the top two scorers in the whole league and they tilt the ice for us. McDavid's had points in all but one or two games the entire season. It ain't him.

Time to point at the real villains - the coach and GM are right up there in case you were wondering.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 09:10

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 09:01

It comes down to effort. They won't win until they start winning more puck battles. That's from McD down.


I'll say it because I think it needs to be said. The issues plaguing the Oilers are not related to McDavid or Draisaitl. I've heard rumblings of this from some of the media guys too - but come on. They're the top two scorers in the whole league and they tilt the ice for us. McDavid's had points in all but one or two games the entire season. It ain't him.

Time to point at the real villains - the coach and GM are right up there in case you were wondering.


OK. Whatever buddy. icon_rolleyes

Please point out to me in my last post where I said it's all McD's and Leon fault? I don't need to hear your BS excuses or whatever else you like to spit out to justify you putting words in my mouth like usual. If you are going to quote me and say I am placing blame on the woes of the Oilers at the feet of McD, then show me WHERE I said that in the 14 words I said?

I simply said the entire team needs to play better, that's the freaking truth. If the whole team including the stars plays to their capabilities and wins more puck battles then there is a much better chance they win. That's a true statement that applies to every freaking team. I never said the team is perfectly made up. I never said the coaches are perfect. All I said is the whole team needs to play better, to have a chance to win. That's a 100% true statement. When they played better warts and all earlier in the year, they won games. So it stands to reason that if the team plays better even with their faults, they have a better chance of winning.

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Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.


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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:16

Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.

I don't come here to argue with him, I honestly don't get off on it like in my opinion, he does. If someone doesn't want to agree with my opinions, go for it bit I just am not going to stand for someone lying about what I said.



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Ceci is playing tonight so that's a positive.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:46

Ceci is playing tonight so that's a positive.


Do we even know what is wrong with Keith? Another old man injury that sidelines a guy for months without explaination?



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NetBOG wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:00

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:46

Ceci is playing tonight so that's a positive.


Do we even know what is wrong with Keith? Another old man injury that sidelines a guy for months without explaination?


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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:27

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:16

Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.

I don't come here to argue with him, I honestly don't get off on it like in my opinion, he does. If someone doesn't want to agree with my opinions, go for it bit I just am not going to stand for someone lying about what I said.


Lying? I think you're confusing me with someone else.

I do enjoy our conversations though!



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:16

Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.


I miss the RDOf/Plus One (or was it Goose) grudge postings.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 17:26

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:16

Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.


I miss the RDOf/Plus One (or was it Goose) grudge postings.


My friend PlusOne and RD have had some good bouts in the past.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 17:26

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 10:16

Just as Adam and RD must argue, the Oilers Must Win this one.


I miss the RDOf/Plus One (or was it Goose) grudge postings.


I had my share of discussions where he got heated but I quit responding to him for the most part for a couple of reasons.

- a phrase about a battle of wits with an unarmed man comes to mind but I forget the rest....oh man, he drug me down with him.
- There were many times that me calling him out on, what I thought were terrible takes, got him riled up. Once he started sending me pscho PM's I decided it was better for his well being if I left him alone.
- There are a lot of very smart hockey people here that I have learned stuff from. My life is too bust to respond to every dumb post, it would take all day and I dont have time for dozens of posts every single day. I save my time to interact with those that bring value.

As usual this will get his (very manly) underoos in a bunch. (just joking RD, I know how serious you take underwear discussions)

As far as the game goes I dont think will be pretty. The gaping holes on this team were covered up by a PP that cant be sustainable. The cracks are showing and any team with this goaltending and a guy like Russell on D will never be a true contender.
Mike mentioned in the last games discussion that those of us that predicted this were called negative. Unfortunately us negative types have been right 95% of the time in the last 12 years or so.

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?



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Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 11:58

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?

I'd probably send down Broberg. I think there is going to be a good player there but he's 20,barelyy played any North American hockey. Just needs more time in the AHL. Plus wouldn't require waivers.

On top of that, if Willy hit the waiver wire, it might collapse the NHL system with all the waiver claims.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:35

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 11:58

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?

I'd probably send down Broberg. I think there is going to be a good player there but he's 20,barelyy played any North American hockey. Just needs more time in the AHL. Plus wouldn't require waivers.

On top of that, if Willy hit the waiver wire, it might collapse the NHL system with all the waiver claims.


Lagesson doesn't require waivers. You have to be in the NHL for 30 days to make waivers a necessity again. As mentioned before, I think Walsh wants the Oilers to waive him again anyhow.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:35

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 11:58

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?

I'd probably send down Broberg. I think there is going to be a good player there but he's 20,barelyy played any North American hockey. Just needs more time in the AHL. Plus wouldn't require waivers.

On top of that, if Willy hit the waiver wire, it might collapse the NHL system with all the waiver claims.


Lagesson doesn't require waivers. You have to be in the NHL for 30 days to make waivers a necessity again. As mentioned before, I think Walsh wants the Oilers to waive him again anyhow.

Maybe they should waive him. Then when he passes through again, Walsh can make up another excuse in a twitter blast about why he's being held back. Maybe the trainers didn't give him the right flavor of Gatorade. The travelling secretary had him sitting on the wrong side of the plane. His room wasn't set to the right temperature. Maybe the coaches didn't communicate to him he's supposed to defend as a dman. Always someone else's fault.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:35

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 11:58

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?

I'd probably send down Broberg. I think there is going to be a good player there but he's 20,barelyy played any North American hockey. Just needs more time in the AHL. Plus wouldn't require waivers.

On top of that, if Willy hit the waiver wire, it might collapse the NHL system with all the waiver claims.


Lagesson doesn't require waivers. You have to be in the NHL for 30 days to make waivers a necessity again. As mentioned before, I think Walsh wants the Oilers to waive him again anyhow.

Maybe they should waive him. Then when he passes through again, Walsh can make up another excuse in a twitter blast about why he's being held back. Maybe the trainers didn't give him the right flavor of Gatorade. The travelling secretary had him sitting on the wrong side of the plane. His room wasn't set to the right temperature. Maybe the coaches didn't communicate to him he's supposed to defend as a dman. Always someone else's fault.


I do not understand why people get so mortally offended about this stuff. Tippett isn't your kid. It's okay if he gets criticism from an agent or a player.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 14:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:45

Adam wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:36

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 12:35

Oscargasm wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 11:58

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If Ceci is back I think we’ll have to send someone to Bako, no? Buh-bye Willy?

I'd probably send down Broberg. I think there is going to be a good player there but he's 20,barelyy played any North American hockey. Just needs more time in the AHL. Plus wouldn't require waivers.

On top of that, if Willy hit the waiver wire, it might collapse the NHL system with all the waiver claims.


Lagesson doesn't require waivers. You have to be in the NHL for 30 days to make waivers a necessity again. As mentioned before, I think Walsh wants the Oilers to waive him again anyhow.

Maybe they should waive him. Then when he passes through again, Walsh can make up another excuse in a twitter blast about why he's being held back. Maybe the trainers didn't give him the right flavor of Gatorade. The travelling secretary had him sitting on the wrong side of the plane. His room wasn't set to the right temperature. Maybe the coaches didn't communicate to him he's supposed to defend as a dman. Always someone else's fault.


I do not understand why people get so mortally offended about this stuff. Tippett isn't your kid. It's okay if he gets criticism from an agent or a player.

I'm not morally offended what so ever. I am not a Tippet lover and think he can do no wrong. I don't know him personally or give a crap if it's him or someone else coaching. All I care about is the Oilers winning games. So if Tippett can do that, great. If it's someone else, great. Just win the damn games. But in staying that, I just don't get why it's always someone elses fault. He's played 2 years of college and going into his 6th year of pro hockey. The Oilers defense is not loaded with Norris candidates, future hall of famers or all stars. He made the team last year when there wasn't a hell of a lot of competition and then stunk. This year there was a spot for him especially since Russell was hurt so the only guy ahead of him was Koekkoek and again he stunk. He went to the AHL and by every report, he wasn't very good but he got the call because he had experience. For the majority of his games he's played year and this year, he hasn't been very good. Having the occasional decent game isn't enough to be considered an NHLer.

He's going to be 26 yrs old in a coupe of months. He's a grown ass man. The fact that Lagesson isn't a full time NHL player at 26 with that much time in the pros in North America on top of it, has nothing to do with the Head Coach letting the defensive assistant do his job to tell him he wasn't playing. He's not a full time NHLer because he's not good enough. At 26 yrs old with parts of 6 pro seasons under his belt, most of which is playing in North America, the fact he isn't a full time NHLer is 100% all on him.

If you want to die on the mountain telling me why Tippett not personally taking him aside and explaining to a going to be 26 yr old grown ass man why he's not in the line up and it ruined a player, then go ahead. But I am done wasting my time talking about why Lagesson who in my opinion will probably be in Sweden for the 22-23 season doesn't get special treatment.

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I'm not morally offended what so ever. I am not a Tippet lover and think he can do no wrong. I don't know him personally or give a crap if it's him or someone else coaching. All I care about is the Oilers winning games. So if Tippett can do that, great. If it's someone else, great. Just win the damn games. But in staying that, I just don't get why it's always someone elses fault. He's played 2 years of college and going into his 6th year of pro hockey. The Oilers defense is not loaded with Norris candidates, future hall of famers or all stars. He made the team last year when there wasn't a hell of a lot of competition and then stunk. This year there was a spot for him especially since Russell was hurt so the only guy ahead of him was Koekkoek and again he stunk. He went to the AHL and by every report, he wasn't very good but he got the call because he had experience. For the majority of his games he's played year and this year, he hasn't been very good. Having the occasional decent game isn't enough to be considered an NHLer.

He's going to be 26 yrs old in a coupe of months. He's a grown ass man. The fact that Lagesson isn't a full time NHL player at 26 with that much time in the pros in North America on top of it, has nothing to do with the Head Coach letting the defensive assistant do his job to tell him he wasn't playing. He's not a full time NHLer because he's not good enough. At 26 yrs old with parts of 6 pro seasons under his belt, most of which is playing in North America, the fact he isn't a full time NHLer is 100% all on him.

If you want to die on the mountain telling me why Tippett not personally taking him aside and explaining to a going to be 26 yr old grown ass man why he's not in the line up and it ruined a player, then go ahead. But I am done wasting my time talking about why Lagesson who in my opinion will probably be in Sweden for the 22-23 season doesn't get special treatment.


Big deep sigh.

Absolutely zero people are saying that Lagesson is blameless and a superstar.

All anyone (mostly me) has said is that Allan Walsh has an objective with that statement. It isn't a temper tantrum, it isn't a hissy fit. It's a calculated move, designed to create a specific result - likely the eventual move of his client to another team.

Worth noting - while he was certainly aware of what Walsh said and fine with it being said, Lagesson himself actually said nothing so if you're focusing your ire at him, then your aim is off.

It does come off like people are upset when they blow a gasket calling the kid (who's still an Oiler player) everything up to a full-on waste of skin (not your words - but there's lots of people like you saying a lot of mean things about the kid online), simply because his agent dares to criticize a coach (especially a coach who really deserves a lot of criticism). I don't remember you talking at any length before this about how much you think Lagesson sucks and shouldn't even get opportunities - so it does look like a spiteful response and not an objective one.



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I feel a little better about Skinner not giving up an early soft goal than I do with Koski.. those soft goals are so demoralizing for a team.. sucks the life out.. especially when they are early.. making saves you should lets the team continue to follow the game plan and not abandoning it in fear of giving up a shot on your sieve of a goalie.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:28

Only positive is that Russell is on his correct side.. for what its worth..
I feel a little better about Skinner not giving up an early soft goal than I do with Koski.. those soft goals are so demoralizing for a team.. sucks the life out.. especially when they are early.. making saves you should lets the team continue to follow the game plan and not abandoning it in fear of giving up a shot on your sieve of a goalie.

Koskinen is one of the most baffling goalies to me. He can look SOOO good than a switch flips and he's brutal. There really doesn't seem to much of a middle ground.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:28

Only positive is that Russell is on his correct side.. for what its worth..
I feel a little better about Skinner not giving up an early soft goal than I do with Koski.. those soft goals are so demoralizing for a team.. sucks the life out.. especially when they are early.. making saves you should lets the team continue to follow the game plan and not abandoning it in fear of giving up a shot on your sieve of a goalie.

Koskinen is one of the most baffling goalies to me. He can look SOOO good than a switch flips and he's brutal. There really doesn't seem to much of a middle ground.

It’s not so baffling. He isn’t a starting calibre goaltender. Most NHL backups are capable of good play in short spurts. Honestly he could’ve been the ideal #2 behind Markstrom in a bizarro universe where Peter Chiarelli fired himself instead of tying up all our goaltending cap, causing us to lose out on Markstrom and be forced to sign Father Time.



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6 -1 Bruins. This team and lost all its spunk and mocky...Tipp starting games with 3rd line and McD not seeing the ice till 4 minutes in last game tells me all I need to know.


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:47

6 -1 Bruins. This team and lost all its spunk and mocky...Tipp starting games with 3rd line and McD not seeing the ice till 4 minutes in last game tells me all I need to know.

I was at a game, might’ve been pre-pandemic, where khaira-Sheahan and somebody started. Got scored on right away. Why would you ever not start with your stars? Especially when there’s such a drop off in skill.



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:47

6 -1 Bruins. This team and lost all its spunk and mocky...Tipp starting games with 3rd line and McD not seeing the ice till 4 minutes in last game tells me all I need to know.

That's weird, I have to admit. If your 3rd line is going to set a tone, sure, but this one isnt.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 14:43

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Koskinen is one of the most baffling goalies to me. He can look SOOO good than a switch flips and he's brutal. There really doesn't seem to much of a middle ground.

It’s not so baffling. He isn’t a starting calibre goaltender. Most NHL backups are capable of good play in short spurts. Honestly he could’ve been the ideal #2 behind Markstrom in a bizarro universe where Peter Chiarelli fired himself instead of tying up all our goaltending cap, causing us to lose out on Markstrom and be forced to sign Father Time.


I think this is one of the most common misconceptions in sports, the idea that bad players in pro sports are just bad, and average guys are average all the time.

The gap between the best players in the NHL (or any league) and the worst regular players is orders of magnitude smaller than the gap between the worst player in the NHL and like a good junior player that never gets drafted.

Any decent backup in the league can give you a string of good to great games. They just can't maintain it for 40-50 games, which is why they're not a starter. Those good games are then balanced out by a string of bad to terrible games. Look at any goalie with a .910 save percentage, their game log is going to have a huge spread in terms of performance. It's not like all of their games are just in the .900 to .920 range.

It's also why a journeyman defenceman like Marek Malik, who never scored more than 7 goals in a season, can score a shootout goal like this on an NHL goalie:



I think I first started to realize this was the case when I found out that a large portion of players in the CFL were All-Americans in the NCAA. Being a really good college player does not remotely mean you're good enough to play in the NFL.

I went to watch a Vancouver Grizzlies game back in the day. Keep in mind the Grizzlies were one of the worst franchises in the history of the NBA, so I was not expecting much. But I remember watching them do their shootaround before the start of the game and they didn't miss. Like at all. And they were just messing around, chatting, whatever. But everything went in. And I realized at that point that my idea that they were terrible basketball players was skewed by watching them play against the best players in the world on a nightly basis. The Grizzlies players were elite athletes (even Big Country icon_wink), it was my perception that was off.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:28

Only positive is that Russell is on his correct side.. for what its worth..
I feel a little better about Skinner not giving up an early soft goal than I do with Koski.. those soft goals are so demoralizing for a team.. sucks the life out.. especially when they are early.. making saves you should lets the team continue to follow the game plan and not abandoning it in fear of giving up a shot on your sieve of a goalie.


On merit, Broberg should absolutely be playing ahead of Russell.



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welcometotheOC wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 18:59

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 09 December 2021 15:28

Only positive is that Russell is on his correct side.. for what its worth..
I feel a little better about Skinner not giving up an early soft goal than I do with Koski.. those soft goals are so demoralizing for a team.. sucks the life out.. especially when they are early.. making saves you should lets the team continue to follow the game plan and not abandoning it in fear of giving up a shot on your sieve of a goalie.


On merit, Broberg should absolutely be playing ahead of Russell.


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