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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Dang. Maybe his injury was perfectly timed. He gets to sit on his 1.5 PPG stat line this season :)

I guess when you have trouble keeping top talent there must be a little desperation to keep what you have. Nico got a huge payday as well from the Devils. Well done by Hughes' agent.

I would have thought waiting a bit longer to see how he does would be a better option. I don't think that price point changes much if you waited until the end of the year.

They have a lot of money tied up in 2 centers who in my opinion are just so so. Hughes is young so maybe there is more to give but I do wonder if his size will hold him back a little given the position he plays.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:56

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Dang. Maybe his injury was perfectly timed. He gets to sit on his 1.5 PPG stat line this season :)

I guess when you have trouble keeping top talent there must be a little desperation to keep what you have. Nico got a huge payday as well from the Devils. Well done by Hughes' agent.

I would have thought waiting a bit longer to see how he does would be a better option. I don't think that price point changes much if you waited until the end of the year.

They have a lot of money tied up in 2 centers who in my opinion are just so so. Hughes is young so maybe there is more to give but I do wonder if his size will hold him back a little given the position he plays.


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:56

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:46

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Dang. Maybe his injury was perfectly timed. He gets to sit on his 1.5 PPG stat line this season :)

I guess when you have trouble keeping top talent there must be a little desperation to keep what you have. Nico got a huge payday as well from the Devils. Well done by Hughes' agent.

I would have thought waiting a bit longer to see how he does would be a better option. I don't think that price point changes much if you waited until the end of the year.

They have a lot of money tied up in 2 centers who in my opinion are just so so. Hughes is young so maybe there is more to give but I do wonder if his size will hold him back a little given the position he plays.


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!

I feel the same way. Good players but having those 2 as your #1 and 2 centers, I am not so sure about.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!


Somewhat reminiscent of the Hall & Eberle contracts, and with the NHL inflation since 2012, that's probably about the same level of pay to cap hit, etc.

But they aren't at the same level as those guys. Eberle had just put up 76 points. Hall had 53 in 61 games that year, so not far behind on points per game. Hughes has topped at 31 points so far, and Hischier at 52 - in his 82 game rookie season (coincidentally riding shotgun for Hall's best ever year) and has declined in production in every season since. He's got one more point than last year now though, so he's moving the right direction at least.

The funny thing is that Hischier, while he has 12 points in 19 games, is way behind the team leaders of Jesper Bratt and Andreas Johnsson and Jack Hughes hasn't played (other than 2 games). They don't seem to be driving the bus there, so it's a ton of money to pay for the ones who aren't in a starring role. This looks like one that might blow up in their faces at some point.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!


Somewhat reminiscent of the Hall & Eberle contracts, and with the NHL inflation since 2012, that's probably about the same level of pay to cap hit, etc.

But they aren't at the same level as those guys. Eberle had just put up 76 points. Hall had 53 in 61 games that year, so not far behind on points per game. Hughes has topped at 31 points so far, and Hischier at 52 - in his 82 game rookie season (coincidentally riding shotgun for Hall's best ever year) and has declined in production in every season since. He's got one more point than last year now though, so he's moving the right direction at least.

The funny thing is that Hischier, while he has 12 points in 19 games, is way behind the team leaders of Jesper Bratt and Andreas Johnsson and Jack Hughes hasn't played (other than 2 games). They don't seem to be driving the bus there, so it's a ton of money to pay for the ones who aren't in a starring role. This looks like one that might blow up in their faces at some point.

In seven years those deals will be bargains and I am taking notes on who thinks they're overpayments today.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!


Somewhat reminiscent of the Hall & Eberle contracts, and with the NHL inflation since 2012, that's probably about the same level of pay to cap hit, etc.

But they aren't at the same level as those guys. Eberle had just put up 76 points. Hall had 53 in 61 games that year, so not far behind on points per game. Hughes has topped at 31 points so far, and Hischier at 52 - in his 82 game rookie season (coincidentally riding shotgun for Hall's best ever year) and has declined in production in every season since. He's got one more point than last year now though, so he's moving the right direction at least.

The funny thing is that Hischier, while he has 12 points in 19 games, is way behind the team leaders of Jesper Bratt and Andreas Johnsson and Jack Hughes hasn't played (other than 2 games). They don't seem to be driving the bus there, so it's a ton of money to pay for the ones who aren't in a starring role. This looks like one that might blow up in their faces at some point.

In seven years those deals will be bargains and I am taking notes on who thinks they're overpayments today.


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:54

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!


Somewhat reminiscent of the Hall & Eberle contracts, and with the NHL inflation since 2012, that's probably about the same level of pay to cap hit, etc.

But they aren't at the same level as those guys. Eberle had just put up 76 points. Hall had 53 in 61 games that year, so not far behind on points per game. Hughes has topped at 31 points so far, and Hischier at 52 - in his 82 game rookie season (coincidentally riding shotgun for Hall's best ever year) and has declined in production in every season since. He's got one more point than last year now though, so he's moving the right direction at least.

The funny thing is that Hischier, while he has 12 points in 19 games, is way behind the team leaders of Jesper Bratt and Andreas Johnsson and Jack Hughes hasn't played (other than 2 games). They don't seem to be driving the bus there, so it's a ton of money to pay for the ones who aren't in a starring role. This looks like one that might blow up in their faces at some point.

In seven years those deals will be bargains and I am taking notes on who thinks they're overpayments today.


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.


Then you missed this gem of his from a couple days ago! Pay special attention to his browser tabs.

https://i.imgur.com/aliJSyO.jpg



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 23:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:54

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:40

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 16:20

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:57


Think getting 2 1st OA guys is a once every few generation event. They're just going all in on it. Sadly, I think they're going all in on 2 Nuge-tier 1st OA picks. Not gonna make it!


Somewhat reminiscent of the Hall & Eberle contracts, and with the NHL inflation since 2012, that's probably about the same level of pay to cap hit, etc.

But they aren't at the same level as those guys. Eberle had just put up 76 points. Hall had 53 in 61 games that year, so not far behind on points per game. Hughes has topped at 31 points so far, and Hischier at 52 - in his 82 game rookie season (coincidentally riding shotgun for Hall's best ever year) and has declined in production in every season since. He's got one more point than last year now though, so he's moving the right direction at least.

The funny thing is that Hischier, while he has 12 points in 19 games, is way behind the team leaders of Jesper Bratt and Andreas Johnsson and Jack Hughes hasn't played (other than 2 games). They don't seem to be driving the bus there, so it's a ton of money to pay for the ones who aren't in a starring role. This looks like one that might blow up in their faces at some point.

In seven years those deals will be bargains and I am taking notes on who thinks they're overpayments today.


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.


Then you missed this gem of his from a couple days ago! Pay special attention to his browser tabs.

https://i.imgur.com/aliJSyO.jpg

Damn pop ups. Always happen at the worst time.



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smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 23:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:54


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.


Then you missed this gem of his from a couple days ago! Pay special attention to his browser tabs.

https://i.imgur.com/aliJSyO.jpg


That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

These old sportswriters - are they all watching porn while they work!?!?



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Adam wrote on Wed, 01 December 2021 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 23:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:54


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.


Then you missed this gem of his from a couple days ago! Pay special attention to his browser tabs.

https://i.imgur.com/aliJSyO.jpg


That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

These old sportswriters - are they all watching porn while they work!?!?


I think it was accidentally on purpose to generate buzz for his book, and it worked.



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Pseudoreality wrote on Wed, 01 December 2021 10:48

Adam wrote on Wed, 01 December 2021 09:15

smyth260 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 23:49

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 20:54


Those Hall & Eberle contracts are what got me blocked by Damien Cox - to this day the only one who has me blocked on twitter. A friend asked me my take on his opinion about those deals, tagging him, and I responded that I don't follow hockey writers who don't know much about the sport and with that, I've never got to read another tweet by him since.


Then you missed this gem of his from a couple days ago! Pay special attention to his browser tabs.

https://i.imgur.com/aliJSyO.jpg


That's the funniest thing I've seen all week.

These old sportswriters - are they all watching porn while they work!?!?


I think it was accidentally on purpose to generate buzz for his book, and it worked.


If it worked, I imagine there will be a few people disappointed that those chapters never appear in the book!



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Draisaitl had 137 pts in 191 games and signed nearly that same extension in 2017. I agree it's a lot, but it's probably a proportionate level of risk when taking into account salary inflation. If he grows into a 90-100 pt player, it's a steal. (And at a projected 88 pts in 191 games, it's not a stretch for someone with his skill set and draft pedigree.)



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Skoobz wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 16:25

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.


Draisaitl had 137 pts in 191 games and signed nearly that same extension in 2017. I agree it's a lot, but it's probably a proportionate level of risk when taking into account salary inflation. If he grows into a 90-100 pt player, it's a steal. (And at a projected 88 pts in 191 games, it's not a stretch for someone with his skill set and draft pedigree.)

When Leon signed his deal it was after the season was over where he put up 29 goals and 77 pts AND had 16 pts in 13 playoff games. Plus he had the size.

Hughes last year had 31 pts in 56 games, that's a 45 pt pace in 82. He might grow into what you suggested but going from 45 pts to 90 would be one hell of a jump. I do think his size will hold him back some.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.

That's pretty ridiculous. I'll giggle my ass off if he keeps trending at .5 ppg or less.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 02 December 2021 11:04

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:31

Devils signed Jack Hughes to an 8 yr, 64 mill deal. He's got 55 pts in 119 games. That's a hell of a lot of money for him.

That's pretty ridiculous. I'll giggle my ass off if he keeps trending at .5 ppg or less.

It may turn out for them but I would have waited until the end of the season to see what happens. I just don't see other teams dying to sign him to that number based on what he has done to date.



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The kings broadcast is speculating the Canucks have fired Travis Green and are bringing in Bruce Boudreau to replace him. It’s probably… what? Two years too late?


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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 05 December 2021 19:15

The kings broadcast is speculating the Canucks have fired Travis Green and are bringing in Bruce Boudreau to replace him. It’s probably… what? Two years too late?


What the....Ah, hell the tired Filthy Bruce bit will be making it back to the Nielson show on 1260.

I don't think this will go over any better with a couple or 3 of the young fragile prima donnas on the Canucks. Should be entertaining to watch.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 05 December 2021 19:23

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 05 December 2021 19:15

The kings broadcast is speculating the Canucks have fired Travis Green and are bringing in Bruce Boudreau to replace him. It’s probably… what? Two years too late?


What the....Ah, hell the tired Filthy Bruce bit will be making it back to the Nielson show on 1260.

I don't think this will go over any better with a couple or 3 of the young fragile prima donnas on the Canucks. Should be entertaining to watch.


Bruce has been a good regular season coach for a long time. Hopefully doesn't translate well with the Vancouver Diving Team and we can use this legendary hockey gif a lot

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The vegas broadcast is saying Benning is out as GM too. That decision is probably five years overdue. He said there’s going to be an entire committee, including some twins, handling everything everything on the coast for a while.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 05 December 2021 21:53

The vegas broadcast is saying Benning is out as GM too. That decision is probably five years overdue. He said there’s going to be an entire committee, including some twins, handling everything everything on the coast for a while.


Haha - seriously? GM by committee? Interesting.

I suppose, since the 90s Canucks of Linden & Benning screwed things up, it makes send that they'd jump ahead a generation or two of former Canucks players to take the reins...

EDIT: Also back a generation with Stan Smyl as interim GM!

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Stan Smyl ... lol.. it just gets better and better.. lmao rofl lmao rofl rofl

Green is a good coach, dealt bad hands by Benning...
Reminds me of ex-CFL QB Casey Printers once telling his coach in Kansas City Chiefs training camp after he was cut.. Quote: “Look at the guys I was performing with….hell I had to make chicken salad out of chicken s__t..”

Casey Printers was an awful QB, it was a hollow claim, but Green has done well when he had a better roster.

The story with the Canucks is the owners Aqulini's stuck their nose in it, T. Linden wanted to start a rebuild, start from scratch, the Aquilini's wanted to "re-load", which is what Benning told them he could do.. they went with Benning.. dumped Linden. Interfering owners are never a good thing for a pro sports team.

The fun is just starting.. Stan freaking Smyl .. LOL!
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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 00:15

Stan Smyl ... lol.. it just gets better and better.. lmao rofl lmao rofl rofl

Green is a good coach, dealt bad hands by Benning...
Reminds me of ex-CFL QB Casey Printers once telling his coach in Kansas City Chiefs training camp after he was cut.. Quote: “Look at the guys I was performing with….hell I had to make chicken salad out of chicken s__t..”

Casey Printers was an awful QB, it was a hollow claim, but Green has done well when he had a better roster.

The story with the Canucks is the owners Aqulini's stuck their nose in it, T. Linden wanted to start a rebuild, start from scratch, the Aquilini's wanted to "re-load", which is what Benning told them he could do.. they went with Benning.. dumped Linden. Interfering owners are never a good thing for a pro sports team.

The fun is just starting.. Stan freaking Smyl .. LOL!
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Undefeated!!!! Goes out with the best win percentage in the history of the NHL.



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Karma revealed herself tonight.. 1st class D-bag, Winnipeg's#4 Pionk, went knee on knee with a Leafs D-man tonight, guy was helped off the ice, knee damaged.. then later in the game Spezza catches Pionk in the side of the head full speed with his knee as Pionk was trying to glove the puck out of the zone.. a thing of karmic beauty.. Spazz guiding the cold hand of retribution :)




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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 00:21

Karma revealed herself tonight.. 1st class D-bag, Winnipeg's#4 Pionk, went knee on knee with a Leafs D-man tonight, guy was helped off the ice, knee damaged.. then later in the game Spezza catches Pionk in the side of the head full speed with his knee as Pionk was trying to glove the puck out of the zone.. a thing of karmic beauty.. Spazz guiding the cold hand of retribution :)




I don't mind seeing it happen to Pionk the didnt show another angle of Pionks knee, but he's a dirty little effer. Not sure how Spezza avoids suspension. Excellent knee control delivering it to Pionk's face.




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Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 13:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Man, that's embarrassing. And if I feel this way, can't imagine how Leafs fans feel about that.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 13:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Man, that's embarrassing. And if I feel this way, can't imagine how Leafs fans feel about that.

For context, this whole incident started with Matthews giving PLD a crosscheck to the back but it's not shown on the video. The replay, (conveniently maybe if you're a Leaf fan?) starts after that part and after PLD gets mad. I agree about the offsetting penalties being a joke though, PLD should've gotten four for roughing and Matthews should've gotten two for either holding or crosschecking.

I don't know how to imbed, but here's a link for the entire play.
https://gfycat.com/costlydimpledaphid



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Mike wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 11:55

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 13:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Man, that's embarrassing. And if I feel this way, can't imagine how Leafs fans feel about that.

For context, this whole incident started with Matthews giving PLD a crosscheck to the back but it's not shown on the video. The replay, (conveniently maybe if you're a Leaf fan?) starts after that part and after PLD gets mad. I agree about the offsetting penalties being a joke though, PLD should've gotten four for roughing and Matthews should've gotten two for either holding or crosschecking.

I don't know how to imbed, but here's a link for the entire play.
https://gfycat.com/costlydimpledaphid



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Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its star players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th line plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its start players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.


The problem isn't the fans, it's the GMs. Burke actively campaigned the league to allow more obstruction "because the game might get too fast" and others campaign Bettman that the only way their fans stay is if the teams appear to be close to making the playoffs until late in the season (same reason they argue against every game being worth three points). If teams with star players are allowed to just skate and score, then maybe bad teams get eliminated a couple weeks earlier - oh the horror.

On top of that, we see a lot more pluggers as GMs than skill players, so they think that the game should be designed for the players like them to excel, rather than stars.

I think uniformly, fans would like to see the rulebook called, and to allow more skill to flourish over just thuggery and mugging. But the league feels it's smarter than its fans and knows what they want to see better than they do. They really really just want to see mediocre teams stay competitive!




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Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its start players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.


On top of that, we see a lot more pluggers as GMs than skill players, so they think that the game should be designed for the players like them to excel, rather than stars.



One thing that in my opinion isn't talked about is when any fan, myself included, complains about the refs and wanting to see the rule book called, the finger gets points to the management and the point like you made is brought up. That GM and higher ups are made up of lots of pluggers. BUT so is the PA itself. For every NHL superstar in the league there is what 2 times, most likely more, lower skill guys? So maybe 2/3 of the PA is probably lower skill guys. So if the refs were to call the rules like they should, it literally puts the majority of the league at a disadvantage.

I have to think that if the PA as a whole had a problem with the refs and how the game is called and they came out and said something, things would change because without the players, there is no product.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 11:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its start players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.


On top of that, we see a lot more pluggers as GMs than skill players, so they think that the game should be designed for the players like them to excel, rather than stars.



One thing that in my opinion isn't talked about is when any fan, myself included, complains about the refs and wanting to see the rule book called, the finger gets points to the management and the point like you made is brought up. That GM and higher ups are made up of lots of pluggers. BUT so is the PA itself. For every NHL superstar in the league there is what 2 times, most likely more, lower skill guys? So maybe 2/3 of the PA is probably lower skill guys. So if the refs were to call the rules like they should, it literally puts the majority of the league at a disadvantage.

I have to think that if the PA as a whole had a problem with the refs and how the game is called and they came out and said something, things would change because without the players, there is no product.


PA isn't involved in setting or enforcing rule changes. So no, they're not a big factor in this.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 11:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its start players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.


On top of that, we see a lot more pluggers as GMs than skill players, so they think that the game should be designed for the players like them to excel, rather than stars.



One thing that in my opinion isn't talked about is when any fan, myself included, complains about the refs and wanting to see the rule book called, the finger gets points to the management and the point like you made is brought up. That GM and higher ups are made up of lots of pluggers. BUT so is the PA itself. For every NHL superstar in the league there is what 2 times, most likely more, lower skill guys? So maybe 2/3 of the PA is probably lower skill guys. So if the refs were to call the rules like they should, it literally puts the majority of the league at a disadvantage.

I have to think that if the PA as a whole had a problem with the refs and how the game is called and they came out and said something, things would change because without the players, there is no product.


PA isn't involved in setting or enforcing rule changes. So no, they're not a big factor in this.

Never said they were.

You don't think if the PA as a collective started speaking out saying they want the rules called that the league would just ignore them? I find that pretty hard to believe.

If McD instead of sitting there giving his politically correct answers said something. Then Matthews after he was mauled in that twitter clip, said something. If in the mountain or pressers that all these guys do, players brought it up rather than whenever the media brought it up. If it were to happen again and again and again but players from all teams, that it would get ignored? Like I said, I don't believe that because then pretty soon networks, not just in Canada but most importantly in the US would be talking about it.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 13:33

Adam wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 12:18

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 07 December 2021 11:52

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:12

Skookum Jim wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 14:00

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:02

Adam wrote on Mon, 06 December 2021 10:23

Here's the ridiculous play against Austin Matthews by Pierre-Luc Dubois last night. It will shock no one to hear that this was called a coincidental penalty.

https://twitter.com/spittinchiclets/status/14676987856357826 61


Just the 2016 draft class having some fun together.


Just some old fashioned rough-housing.. Wonder if the Toronto media might influence the NHL regarding calling crap on its start players, its certain playing in Edmonton holds no sway.
If a tree falls in a forest not in Toronto does anyone hear it?

I think its a total farce that the NHL holds an all-star weekend to celebrate and showcase the leagues players with superior skills and talent.. and then does its best to make sure any 4th plumber on any low skill team can drag them down to their level through interference, hooks, trips, and slashes.


On top of that, we see a lot more pluggers as GMs than skill players, so they think that the game should be designed for the players like them to excel, rather than stars.



One thing that in my opinion isn't talked about is when any fan, myself included, complains about the refs and wanting to see the rule book called, the finger gets points to the management and the point like you made is brought up. That GM and higher ups are made up of lots of pluggers. BUT so is the PA itself. For every NHL superstar in the league there is what 2 times, most likely more, lower skill guys? So maybe 2/3 of the PA is probably lower skill guys. So if the refs were to call the rules like they should, it literally puts the majority of the league at a disadvantage.

I have to think that if the PA as a whole had a problem with the refs and how the game is called and they came out and said something, things would change because without the players, there is no product.


PA isn't involved in setting or enforcing rule changes. So no, they're not a big factor in this.

Never said they were.

You don't think if the PA as a collective started speaking out saying they want the rules called that the league would just ignore them? I find that pretty hard to believe.

If McD instead of sitting there giving his politically correct answers said something. Then Matthews after he was mauled in that twitter clip, said something. If in the mountain or pressers that all these guys do, players brought it up rather than whenever the media brought it up. If it were to happen again and again and again but players from all teams, that it would get ignored? Like I said, I don't believe that because then pretty soon networks, not just in Canada but most importantly in the US would be talking about it.

More realistically, if the PA speaks out about it, Bettman uses it as a bargaining chip for the next CBA. It’s the board of governors that determines this stuff isn’t it?



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Embarrassing is putting it lightly. What a sham. That NHL ref ought to be outright fired. Absolute joke.



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lol, nice breakdown of the Lemiuex/Tkachuk biting incident

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Uh oh, Bruce is still in peak form. Canucks might be dangerous


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Khaira with another concussion. Open ice hit. Taken off on a stretcher. Brutal.


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