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 Re: 2021 - Speculation ‘round the League [message #790674 is a reply to message #790669 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 10:39

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 09:29

except Ben Bishop is out for the season.


Is this new? My understanding is he was going to be ready for the fall after missing last season. He waived his NMC for the Stars during the expansion draft with the expectation he was going to be ready for next season.

There's a HUGE red flag about a goalie who missed a full season recovering from surgery, especially at his age. But he was also one of the top goalies in the NHL prior to that, so maybe there's something there still.


Here's a couple articles:

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/7/16/22580264/dallas-star s-daily-links-ben-bishop-health-expansion-draft-seattle-krak en-nhl-offseason-trade-target
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“Still a long ways to go,” Bishop said. “With a little bit of uncertainty, we’ve still got to get to where I can play at an elite level. There’s still a process to be played out here.”


https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/7/28/22598218/dallas-star s-sign-braden-holtby-1-year-2-million-nhl-offseason-free-age ncy-bishop-khudobin-oettinger
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Previously, it was speculated that Bishop would not be ready in time for the start of the 2021-22 NHL season. Now that the Stars have signed Holtby, it’s worth wondering if Bishop is expected to be back at all — it’s quite possible that Bishop has decided to unofficially “retire” and will live out the remainder of his contract on LTIR.


Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.



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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:01



Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:12

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Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



$2MM on a one-way deal for Holtby. That's not the deal you give someone you've tagged for the AHL.

Either they think Oetinger is better served playing 50-65 games in the AHL this year, or they're going to move Khudobin and open up the crease for Oetinger...although if I was them, I'd rather see those two share it this year.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:12

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:01



Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



Vegas gave a hefty $ to Brossoit didn’t they? Like two and a half mil or something silly. Pretty sure he’ll be their backup and they aren’t in the market anymore



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Tampa is happily 4M over the cap now, and have Seabrook's 6.8M of guaranteed LTIR to not have to care. Looking like we're gonna be over the cap and have to use LTIR in the summer once Foegele and Yams are signed and we get a little more depth.

Time to look for another 4M of LTIR to add to our team? :)

Wonder if the Ducks would let us have the amazing Ryan Kesler. Canucks probably need Ferland's LTIR to sign their stars.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 10:28

Tampa is happily 4M over the cap now, and have Seabrook's 6.8M of guaranteed LTIR to not have to care. Looking like we're gonna be over the cap and have to use LTIR in the summer once Foegele and Yams are signed and we get a little more depth.

Time to look for another 4M of LTIR to add to our team? :)

Wonder if the Ducks would let us have the amazing Ryan Kesler. Canucks probably need Ferland's LTIR to sign their stars.

That sounds a little too crazy for our guy. Maybe a better move would be losing a trade to get a player who costs less?



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2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 09:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185


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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?

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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


Drury: "Did you want me to get them for free?!?!?!?!"



It is pretty amazing that we have so many great soundbites from the GMs here to always remember them by. "Did you want me to get him for free?" goes in to the pantheon beside such memorable quotes as "If you have to ask the question...", "You can only have so many $4 Million price point defencemen", "...so I know a little bit about winning, if that was ever a concern" and "there's something in the water here" and "...death by 1000 cuts."

Someone should really be keeping a list. I feel like I'm missing some of the truly great ones here.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:30

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


Drury: "Did you want me to get them for free?!?!?!?!"



It is pretty amazing that we have so many great soundbites from the GMs here to always remember them by. "Did you want me to get him for free?" goes in to the pantheon beside such memorable quotes as "If you have to ask the question...", "You can only have so many $4 Million price point defencemen", "...so I know a little bit about winning, if that was ever a concern" and "there's something in the water here" and "...death by 1000 cuts."

Someone should really be keeping a list. I feel like I'm missing some of the truly great ones here.


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Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.



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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


You think we're going to trade a 1st liner for a guy who's been a healthy scratch this year???? The Oilers are in love with what they think Kassian can bring and so I bet they've turned down deals that should have been no-brainers.



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There is no chance in hell they trade Puljujarvi for Debrusk. JP is not one of "Holland's guys" now because he would see it as he waited him out, he helped rehabilitate him. GM's hold on to their guys big time.

More likely is Yamo for Debrusk. Maybe throw in future European league player Benson given Debrusk has superior stats to Yamo.

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Debrusk will be hard to get any real value for because of his actual dollar value on his contract. He is at $4.8 Million this year, so qualifying him will be really high, plus he has arb rights (not sure he'll use them).

We need more size and toughness that can play in the top 9 with speed IMO. I think Holland recognizes that as well. More of a guy like Foegele vs a guy like Debrusk. Plus we will need to sign JP to a higher contract and you would have to make a decision between the 2 of them cuz of cap space tightness....so why would you trade for DeBrusk unless you are totally sold that he can play top 6. If he can't play top 6, he isn't a good fit anywhere else.

LH Dman is more of the need now at at the trade deadline. They need a #5 Dman that is mobile, tough and is shutdown type of guy. A guy like Soucy in Seattle may fit that. Isn't fancy, but can be a 3rd pair shutdown guy IMO.



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Jakey wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 08:51

Debrusk will be hard to get any real value for because of his actual dollar value on his contract. He is at $4.8 Million this year, so qualifying him will be really high, plus he has arb rights (not sure he'll use them).

We need more size and toughness that can play in the top 9 with speed IMO. I think Holland recognizes that as well. More of a guy like Foegele vs a guy like Debrusk. Plus we will need to sign JP to a higher contract and you would have to make a decision between the 2 of them cuz of cap space tightness....so why would you trade for DeBrusk unless you are totally sold that he can play top 6. If he can't play top 6, he isn't a good fit anywhere else.

LH Dman is more of the need now at at the trade deadline. They need a #5 Dman that is mobile, tough and is shutdown type of guy. A guy like Soucy in Seattle may fit that. Isn't fancy, but can be a 3rd pair shutdown guy IMO.


Honestly, I don't think DeBrusk is a fit, but I expect we'll hear plenty more about this because his dad is an ex-Oiler who's also on the team's broadcast team. He's looking for a trade, ergo he should come home to Edmonton! Remember how long and hard Jim Matheson pined over Drew Stafford?



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Jakey wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 08:51

Debrusk will be hard to get any real value for because of his actual dollar value on his contract. He is at $4.8 Million this year, so qualifying him will be really high, plus he has arb rights (not sure he'll use them).

We need more size and toughness that can play in the top 9 with speed IMO. I think Holland recognizes that as well. More of a guy like Foegele vs a guy like Debrusk. Plus we will need to sign JP to a higher contract and you would have to make a decision between the 2 of them cuz of cap space tightness....so why would you trade for DeBrusk unless you are totally sold that he can play top 6. If he can't play top 6, he isn't a good fit anywhere else.

LH Dman is more of the need now at at the trade deadline. They need a #5 Dman that is mobile, tough and is shutdown type of guy. A guy like Soucy in Seattle may fit that. Isn't fancy, but can be a 3rd pair shutdown guy IMO.


Playing like crap lately, overpaid for what he's bringing, Jim Matteson approved intangibles and demanding a trade.

All I know for sure is he definitely satisfies the "definitely can't get him for free!" criteria :)

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Hyman can play both wings so do you move Yamo for him with Bs holding sal. Brings some size and while yamo is a buzz saw he hasnt been producing.


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Hyman can play both wings so do you move Yamo for him with Bs holding sal. Brings some size and while yamo is a buzz saw he hasnt been producing.


I would not do that unless I had a pretty good idea of what has happened the last year and a half in Boston. DeBrusk had decent numbers for three years after coming in to the league, but last year he fell off a cliff, and this year hasn't been a lot better. I'd want to be pretty sure that we had a really good sense if it was injury, or coach, or what and then have a plan for how to rehabilitate him. I don't think it makes sense to just hope that whatever is the issue is magically going away the second we trade for him. We can get inside information (albeit biased) so do your homework first.

That old cliche about the 'change of scenery' works occasionally, but more often than not it fails because teams don't put any actual thought in to what will make it work.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

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Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:26

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?



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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:26

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?
Yes, that's right, there's no obligation to qualify him, and he becomes a UFA if that doesn't happen, I think. So if he comes in at half that on a bridge and performs, he could probably get back up into the ~ $5 mil range on the contract after that. So the challenge would be agreeing on an extension, or potentially losing him right away if he isn't extended and the team trading for him doesn't want to qualify him at his number.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:26

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:27

Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:26

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.

If I'm Ken Holland I already have Kassian's bags in my truck. I think DeBrusk is average, but he isn't our problem next season, whereas Kassian will take turns getting injured and suspended for the remainder of his career.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:56

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:27

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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

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Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.

If I'm Ken Holland I already have Kassian's bags in my truck. I think DeBrusk is average, but he isn't our problem next season, whereas Kassian will take turns getting injured and suspended for the remainder of his career.

What I like about Debrusk is he has 3 seasons in a row where he was around 20 or more goals. Now he has come on some harder times but I do wonder how much of that is on him vs the coach. Cassidy sure doesn't seem to like him and isn't afraid to rip into him from time to time publicly. That has to weigh on a young guy at least a bit. I like that he can skate, has a goal scoring touch, a fair amount of playoff experience with success and at only 25, his best years are probably to come.

I do like the fact that at 25 he would fall nicely into the Oilers main group which is McD, Leon, Nurse, JP.

It does sound like a ton of teams have interest in him so I don't really buy into that he's no good like some in here seem to be thinking.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:49

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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:27

Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.

If I'm Ken Holland I already have Kassian's bags in my truck. I think DeBrusk is average, but he isn't our problem next season, whereas Kassian will take turns getting injured and suspended for the remainder of his career.

What I like about Debrusk is he has 3 seasons in a row where he was around 20 or more goals. Now he has come on some harder times but I do wonder how much of that is on him vs the coach. Cassidy sure doesn't seem to like him and isn't afraid to rip into him from time to time publicly. That has to weigh on a young guy at least a bit. I like that he can skate, has a goal scoring touch, a fair amount of playoff experience with success and at only 25, his best years are probably to come.

I do like the fact that at 25 he would fall nicely into the Oilers main group which is McD, Leon, Nurse, JP.

It does sound like a ton of teams have interest in him so I don't really buy into that he's no good like some in here seem to be thinking.


Man, you need to lose the chip on your shoulder. It doesn't advance these discussions at all.

No one has said that DeBrusk is no good. They've said there are questions marks around the player and that he's badly overpaid for what he's bringing. He might be overpaid even if he was still putting up 40+ points. People have pointed out that he either has to be qualified at $4.8MM or he needs to be let become a UFA at the end of this season, so anyone paying a big price from him risks having another Athanasiou situation where the guy you just shelled out for goes somewhere else for nothing.

All those are legitimate points. I'm not sure who you think said he's a worthless bag of bones, because that just didn't happen. If you want to participate in the discussion, the hyperbole is just unhelpful and honestly makes your position weaker.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:59

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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

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Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

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Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.

If I'm Ken Holland I already have Kassian's bags in my truck. I think DeBrusk is average, but he isn't our problem next season, whereas Kassian will take turns getting injured and suspended for the remainder of his career.

What I like about Debrusk is he has 3 seasons in a row where he was around 20 or more goals. Now he has come on some harder times but I do wonder how much of that is on him vs the coach. Cassidy sure doesn't seem to like him and isn't afraid to rip into him from time to time publicly. That has to weigh on a young guy at least a bit. I like that he can skate, has a goal scoring touch, a fair amount of playoff experience with success and at only 25, his best years are probably to come.

I do like the fact that at 25 he would fall nicely into the Oilers main group which is McD, Leon, Nurse, JP.

It does sound like a ton of teams have interest in him so I don't really buy into that he's no good like some in here seem to be thinking.


Man, you need to lose the chip on your shoulder. It doesn't advance these discussions at all.

No one has said that DeBrusk is no good. They've said there are questions marks around the player and that he's badly overpaid for what he's bringing. He might be overpaid even if he was still putting up 40+ points. People have pointed out that he either has to be qualified at $4.8MM or he needs to be let become a UFA at the end of this season, so anyone paying a big price from him risks having another Athanasiou situation where the guy you just shelled out for goes somewhere else for nothing.

All those are legitimate points. I'm not sure who you think said he's a worthless bag of bones, because that just didn't happen. If you want to participate in the discussion, the hyperbole is just unhelpful and honestly makes your position weaker.



This is happening in sync with the Bruins looking at signing Rask to get him back in the lineup. They need cap space to do that. So I guess DeBrusk should be basically free. Can hear Holland's phone ringing from here.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:59

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 14:49

CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:56

Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:27

Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 10:50

K.McC#24 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 12:26

Mike wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 17:59

Adam wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 20:14

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 29 November 2021 16:50

Reports that Jake DeBrusk has asked for a trade

Ryan Rishaug @TSNRyanRishaug

Spoke with Rick Valette today, agent for Jake DeBrusk, he confirmed he asked for a trade over the weekend. It's felt a change of scenery moving forward would be beneficial. Debrusk will remain with the team while the Bruins try and facilitate the request.



In before Matty suggests a Bouchard or Broberg for DeBrusk swap.


Puljujarvi for DeBrusk - book it! Also, will not surprise me in the least to see the Edm media saying we need to add to the deal to make it work.


I will scratch Holland right off my Christmas card list if he does that.

Any chance they would do Kassian for DeBrusk? I’d add a pick to make that happen.


That was my immediate thought, but DeBrusk has to be qualified at ~ $4.8 mil I think. Plus he's a LW.



If it gets to that, but he's allowed to sign for less isn't he? Ain't nobody giving him $4.8M. Maybe if he sees a fit and a chance to play with some studs he goes for a 2 year bridge or whatever?


This is just it though...it's kind of a devil's bargain. If he comes in and plays really well, you risk losing him for nothing (because he's not worth $5MM/year). If he struggles, then you spent assets on a dud.

It isn't a great scenario. I think honestly I probably keep Yamamoto rather than flip him for DeBrusk (and I don't think we can afford the salary delta anyhow.) Kassian however? I do that deal.

If I'm Ken Holland I already have Kassian's bags in my truck. I think DeBrusk is average, but he isn't our problem next season, whereas Kassian will take turns getting injured and suspended for the remainder of his career.

What I like about Debrusk is he has 3 seasons in a row where he was around 20 or more goals. Now he has come on some harder times but I do wonder how much of that is on him vs the coach. Cassidy sure doesn't seem to like him and isn't afraid to rip into him from time to time publicly. That has to weigh on a young guy at least a bit. I like that he can skate, has a goal scoring touch, a fair amount of playoff experience with success and at only 25, his best years are probably to come.

I do like the fact that at 25 he would fall nicely into the Oilers main group which is McD, Leon, Nurse, JP.

It does sound like a ton of teams have interest in him so I don't really buy into that he's no good like some in here seem to be thinking.


Man, you need to lose the chip on your shoulder. It doesn't advance these discussions at all.




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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 15:19


Tell you what, when the day comes that you treat me with a little respect rather than giving me your condescending, I am an idiot just because I have an opinion that differs from yours tone, is the day I let the guard down a little.


I think you read a lot of tone in to opposing arguments that isn't really there. Writing something disagreeing with you is not treating you like an idiot. I don't think you are one. I think you're a passionate fan who has different opinions. I like discussing opinions on hockey, which is why I come here - and if I disagree, I'll try to prove my argument is the stronger one.

Even if I do prove that out (which is often impossible), you're still not a moron for thinking the way you do.

Here's the deal though, this is a discussion board, so any opinion that you or I or anyone else here puts forward is subject to critique from others who may or may not agree in whole or in part with what we say. And the whole point of the place is to get multiple perspectives, so it's a more interesting place if we don't all agree. The trick is to understand that none of it is personal. We have more in common than different - for example, almost no one hear cheers for the hated Flames.

No one here hates you (that I'm aware of). No one thinks you're an idiot. That tone you hear when you read others comments is your own spin on it. Just read the words at face value. If I want to call you an idiot, I promise I won't be subtle and just hint at it through the implied tone of my written words.



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Adam, you’re an idiot.


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Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:15

Adam, you’re an idiot.


Seconded



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:20

Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:15

Adam, you’re an idiot.


Seconded


I appreciate the candour.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:47

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:20

Mike wrote on Tue, 30 November 2021 18:15

Adam, you’re an idiot.


Seconded


I appreciate the candour.


And this is half the reason I tune in every day.



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Back to Debrusk.

Per Dreger, lots of interest in his services.

https://www.tsn.ca/vancouver-canucks-jake-debrusk-boston-bru ins-1.1728771




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Just wondering if this is legit interest from other teams or if this is the media doing their buddy a solid and pumping his kids tires. The articles all seem to be suspiciously positive on Jake when prior to this you didn't really hear about him at all.


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Greg wrote on Wed, 01 December 2021 08:49

Just wondering if this is legit interest from other teams or if this is the media doing their buddy a solid and pumping his kids tires. The articles all seem to be suspiciously positive on Jake when prior to this you didn't really hear about him at all.

Debrusk is a 14th overall draft pick. He's only 25 yrs old so he's just going into his prime years. To start off his career in his first 3 seasons, he scored:
- 16 goals, 43 pts in 70 games. That's a 19 goal, 50 pace in 82.
- 27 goals, 42 pts in 68 games. That's a 33 goal, 51 pace in 82.
- 19 goals, 35 pts in 66 games. That's a 24 goal, 43 pace in 82.

He's had a couple of rough seasons He's clearly in the dog house with his coach and organization. The coach doesn't have a problem with ripping him in the media. Did it this year, did it last year. I am sure he's probably carving up the guy in private a lot. Cam Neely, the team Pres decided to say something yesterday which can't help things. I bet it wasn't the first time Neely said something to him. He's a human so that can't be good for the confidence if you are already down on yourself.

So why wouldn't lots of teams have interest in a talented 25 yr old that showed he can produce in the past? There has been tons of examples over the years where a player went through a rough spell with a team, moves to another and reestablished himself. It's probably a better bet that a 25 yr old can find his game again vs an aging vet.



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