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1.175M cap

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900K the first year, 1.45 mill the second year. 1.175 mill cap hit. I am surprised it's 2 years but I'll take that all day long. There is lots of opportunity for him here, I hope come in, does the work and he grabs it.


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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 14:12

900K the first year, 1.45 mill the second year. 1.175 mill cap hit. I am surprised it's 2 years but I'll take that all day long. There is lots of opportunity for him here, I hope come in, does the work and he grabs it.

RD I’m super impressed how well you took this news. Thought you’d be driving up to have a word with Holland



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inverno76 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 14:09

1.175M cap

Finally we win at something.

https://twitter.com/JShannonhl/status/1313934995602526220?s= 20


OVERPAY!!!

I kid, I kid. Nice. Now fingers crossed he doesn't suck :)



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Never expected 2 years, didn’t think it would be under 1.5. Opportunity is there for JP.

Great work Old Dutch!



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 14:16

Never expected 2 years, didn’t think it would be under 1.5. Opportunity is there for JP.

Great work Old Dutch!


This is good to see. Happy with this.



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Oscargasm wrote on Wed, 07 October 2020 14:16

Never expected 2 years, didn’t think it would be under 1.5. Opportunity is there for JP.

Great work Old Dutch!

I expected JP to be getting in the 1-1.2 mill range. I didn't see how he would be able to get 1.5+ cap hit.

What's even better is 2 yrs from now when his contract is up, if he doesn't turn into anything more than a low end 3rd/4th liner, when it comes time to qualify him, his number is just over 1.2 mill. Where if he is getting 1.5 mill or more now, you could be paying a 4th liner way, way too much money.

At this point, I'd be really happy if he could become a good 3rd line. Anything more, is bonus.



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Interesting, but good news. Now let's hope he can provide more output on the ice.


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Credit to Holland. He had more patience than I did. I thought this bridge was burned and we'd be taking the loss.

Good news. Let's see what Puljujarvi can do.



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Very good news. Great deal.


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This is almost like getting a top 4, 1st round draft pick! .. oh wait..


Good news.. I think he'll take some time to adjust to the small rink again, but he should get dialed after training camp and the first few games, it'll also be a fresh start with the coaches ..and GM.
Guy needs to share a place with a vet, get integrated with the team social fabric, seems like he just got lonely hanging around Edmonton on his own.. Also needs to learn some English to help make this all happen.



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Props to JP & agent and Holland for making this happen. Especially Holland. Having a patient GM who will keep it professional is going to be such a difference maker in the long run.


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I tried to watch the video they posted on the teams website, but with all the technical issues I sort of gave up after half the video. However, his English seems to be coming along, still far from perfect, but he said he's been speaking more English with the English speaking team mates in Finland.

He also sounds as if he's matured a bit and understands now has a better grasp of what he has to do. He'll be coming into camp flying as he'll have had 28 games under his belt so should be in better shape than most, full of confidence and minutes on special teams as well.

Personally I think, more hope we see a far better player than we did last time and one the coaches can coach to get more out of them. I still think we can find a top 4 winger in him and if we can have a regular season as we did last year, I think he'll do well. Coming in on a losing team isn't easy at all.



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JP is on fire over in Finland after signing his new contract with the Oilers.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/blog-puljujarvi-piling-up-go als/c-319419466

"On Thursday, the right-winger was brimming with confidence on a media conference call, showcasing his improved English and expressing his excitement over the fresh start.

On Friday, the fourth-overall pick in 2016 scored two goals and added an assist as his Karpat squad beat up on IFK Helsinki 7-3 in Liiga action.

And on Saturday, Puljujarvi picked up two more tallies and a helper as Karpat beat Pelicans 5-2, bringing his totals up to five goals and two assists in four games."

The kid-er young man- has had a great week.




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Wow, what a guy!

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/feature-finnish-friends/c-32 6871742



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MJ wrote on Fri, 15 October 2021 12:31

Wow, what a guy!

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/feature-finnish-friends/c-32 6871742


great story, hope JP is an Oiler a long time.. 👍🏻



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Skookum Jim wrote on Fri, 15 October 2021 13:55

MJ wrote on Fri, 15 October 2021 12:31

Wow, what a guy!

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/feature-finnish-friends/c-32 6871742


great story, hope JP is an Oiler a long time.. 👍🏻


Dang straight. He’s definitely someone I’d fan girl over if I ever saw him out in public. My dream would be a friendship would blossom. Maximum pant launch in the most hetero of means.



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He won't continue at a 2 pts/gm pace obviously, but there's a very real possibility he flirts with 1PPG this year if he stays on the top line the whole year and gets some PP1 time as he has the first couple of games.

If that happens, what the hell is THAT contract going to look like? 22 year olds Nick Suzuki and Brady Tkachuk each just signed for for about $8M per coming off their ELC with career high 41 and 36 point seasons (60 and 52 point paces).

Barring injury I can't see 23 year old Jesse not hitting at least 50. I can very easily see him outproducing them both this year, or at the very least he'll be close.

Unless I'm mistaken, he will only have 2 RFA years left after this season, which will mean either:

1) A 1 year deal (which I can't see JP's agent agreeing to very easily)
2) Long term extension

Gonna be expensive methinks.



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What a wonderful problem to have. icon_nod


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Iamheretoday wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 10:15

What a wonderful problem to have. icon_nod


Well, yes and no. I want him to have a great year, but if he puts up around 60 points or more and then points to recently signed deals (like Suzuki and Tkachuk), what is the absolute lowest he would go on a long term deal? $7M? We're up against the cap, and the only sizeable contract coming off is Koskinen's $4.5M which we will need to replace with someone. Maybe Smith holds up this year and next and Skinner or Konavolov can come in as cheap backups? But I don't see an easy way to give him a big raise next year.

Might need to look for teams to take on some cap dumps like Kassian or Keith icon_biggrin

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I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:40

I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 10:10

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:40

I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.


I agree, and I think he'll challenge 30+ goals this year, more if he starts getting more time on the PP.

I think $7M will be the floor for Jesse and if you can get him on a long term deal for that number now, I would do it all day.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 11:10

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:40

I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.


I thought it was a straight up miss when the Oilers let it be known early this summer that they weren't interested in discussing an early extension for Puljujarvi. It's possible that the player also didn't want this, but it was notable that the media said that Holland wanted to wait. I don't know why you would put that out at all - I'm not sure it does anything for the team with that player to have you basically declare this a "show-me" year publicly, but also, they had to have a sense where he was going to sit on the depth chart. If he's stapled to McDavid, he'll put up points.

You could argue - and others have in the past with any winger not named Zack Kassian - that the McDavid effect inflates his point totals. That's probably even true. However, I don't think it's all McDavid, and he could put up a number that is significantly higher than previous wingers of 97 have hit. I believe he'll also have arbitration rights, and I don't know that an arbitrator can take in to account who he played with, since that wouldn't show up in the comparables.
Although him filing for arbitration may not be the worst case scenario. Other than Koskinen, the team has no major contracts end next year, so we don't have a lot of cap space available and you would think a big portion of what we do have, should be spend on a goalie. If Puljujarvi gets a $4-5MM raise, that's going to be very challenging to fit in. If Yamamoto also were to have a good season? Then you have to say goodbye to someone, and replace them with dirt cheap help. It's times like this when I question whether it really made sense to spend $9MM on a mediocre 2nd pairing...



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Adam wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:05

Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 11:10

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:40

I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.


I thought it was a straight up miss when the Oilers let it be known early this summer that they weren't interested in discussing an early extension for Puljujarvi. It's possible that the player also didn't want this, but it was notable that the media said that Holland wanted to wait. I don't know why you would put that out at all - I'm not sure it does anything for the team with that player to have you basically declare this a "show-me" year publicly, but also, they had to have a sense where he was going to sit on the depth chart. If he's stapled to McDavid, he'll put up points.

You could argue - and others have in the past with any winger not named Zack Kassian - that the McDavid effect inflates his point totals. That's probably even true. However, I don't think it's all McDavid, and he could put up a number that is significantly higher than previous wingers of 97 have hit. I believe he'll also have arbitration rights, and I don't know that an arbitrator can take in to account who he played with, since that wouldn't show up in the comparables.
Although him filing for arbitration may not be the worst case scenario. Other than Koskinen, the team has no major contracts end next year, so we don't have a lot of cap space available and you would think a big portion of what we do have, should be spend on a goalie. If Puljujarvi gets a $4-5MM raise, that's going to be very challenging to fit in. If Yamamoto also were to have a good season? Then you have to say goodbye to someone, and replace them with dirt cheap help. It's times like this when I question whether it really made sense to spend $9MM on a mediocre 2nd pairing...


I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:15

Adam wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:05

Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 11:10

Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:40

I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.


I thought it was a straight up miss when the Oilers let it be known early this summer that they weren't interested in discussing an early extension for Puljujarvi. It's possible that the player also didn't want this, but it was notable that the media said that Holland wanted to wait. I don't know why you would put that out at all - I'm not sure it does anything for the team with that player to have you basically declare this a "show-me" year publicly, but also, they had to have a sense where he was going to sit on the depth chart. If he's stapled to McDavid, he'll put up points.

You could argue - and others have in the past with any winger not named Zack Kassian - that the McDavid effect inflates his point totals. That's probably even true. However, I don't think it's all McDavid, and he could put up a number that is significantly higher than previous wingers of 97 have hit. I believe he'll also have arbitration rights, and I don't know that an arbitrator can take in to account who he played with, since that wouldn't show up in the comparables.
Although him filing for arbitration may not be the worst case scenario. Other than Koskinen, the team has no major contracts end next year, so we don't have a lot of cap space available and you would think a big portion of what we do have, should be spend on a goalie. If Puljujarvi gets a $4-5MM raise, that's going to be very challenging to fit in. If Yamamoto also were to have a good season? Then you have to say goodbye to someone, and replace them with dirt cheap help. It's times like this when I question whether it really made sense to spend $9MM on a mediocre 2nd pairing...


I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.

Yams inspires the team by taking slashing penalties. a guy his size, brave enough to hit people with a stick, it's the sort of roster piece dynasties are made of.



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 12:15

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I think Jess would take a 6x6. If Skinner continues his progression and doesn’t regress, I can see a world where he’s Smith’s backup next year. With Jess’ current 1.175 and Koskinen’s 4.5 off the books there isn’t much more required to hit that 6M number.

I’m pretty sure I said it in the summer but Holland should have made it a priority to get Jess extended prior to the season.


You think if he puts up 60+ he'll sign for $6M? I think there is no chance of that. I would love if he did, but can't see it.

One of the reasons I'm really bullish on him because he seems to have "won over" Leon and Connor. It felt like they were looking him off a lot last year, but this year they seem to all look for each other, and I really believe he will challenge 1PPG. And you do not get a 1PPG player for $6M.

In a way I want to say "cross that bridge when you get there", but I think he will be a stud. If there's a way to lock him up now, do it.


I thought it was a straight up miss when the Oilers let it be known early this summer that they weren't interested in discussing an early extension for Puljujarvi. It's possible that the player also didn't want this, but it was notable that the media said that Holland wanted to wait. I don't know why you would put that out at all - I'm not sure it does anything for the team with that player to have you basically declare this a "show-me" year publicly, but also, they had to have a sense where he was going to sit on the depth chart. If he's stapled to McDavid, he'll put up points.

You could argue - and others have in the past with any winger not named Zack Kassian - that the McDavid effect inflates his point totals. That's probably even true. However, I don't think it's all McDavid, and he could put up a number that is significantly higher than previous wingers of 97 have hit. I believe he'll also have arbitration rights, and I don't know that an arbitrator can take in to account who he played with, since that wouldn't show up in the comparables.
Although him filing for arbitration may not be the worst case scenario. Other than Koskinen, the team has no major contracts end next year, so we don't have a lot of cap space available and you would think a big portion of what we do have, should be spend on a goalie. If Puljujarvi gets a $4-5MM raise, that's going to be very challenging to fit in. If Yamamoto also were to have a good season? Then you have to say goodbye to someone, and replace them with dirt cheap help. It's times like this when I question whether it really made sense to spend $9MM on a mediocre 2nd pairing...


I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.

Yams inspires the team by taking slashing penalties. a guy his size, brave enough to hit people with a stick, it's the sort of roster piece dynasties are made of.


I mean he takes a headbutt pretty well. Or. I guess not well enough since he didn’t sell it at all to get more than a 5K fine for the pretender.



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I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.


You may be right. He's a bargain contract right now though, and if he outperforms it at all, then we don't have much room to give him any raise, nor to get a replacement/upgrade. He could be next year's first line RW if Puljujarvi can't be re-signed.

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I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.


You may be right. He's a bargain contract right now though, and if he outperforms it at all, then we don't have much room to give him any raise, nor to get a replacement/upgrade. He could be next year's first line RW if Puljujarvi can't be re-signed.

Holland should be talking to JP's representatives already.

The Oilers absolutely have to be willing to play hardball with these complimentary players. Let the agents go find out what the market is for them. IF Columbus thinks they can build around Puljuj, let them. Otherwise, they're going to be paid like the complimentary players they are. Nothing personal, kid. Either way it looks pretty likely the team is going to have to dump some salary *cough Kassian*.

How bad do those buyouts look now? 4.1 to Neal, Sekera, and Lucic this year and next. Good thing Koskinen is in his last year.



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I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.


You may be right. He's a bargain contract right now though, and if he outperforms it at all, then we don't have much room to give him any raise, nor to get a replacement/upgrade. He could be next year's first line RW if Puljujarvi can't be re-signed.

Holland should be talking to JP's representatives already.

The Oilers absolutely have to be willing to play hardball with these complimentary players. Let the agents go find out what the market is for them. IF Columbus thinks they can build around Puljuj, let them. Otherwise, they're going to be paid like the complimentary players they are. Nothing personal, kid. Either way it looks pretty likely the team is going to have to dump some salary *cough Kassian*.

How bad do those buyouts look now? 4.1 to Neal, Sekera, and Lucic this year and next. Good thing Koskinen is in his last year.


And like Adam pointed out, a $9MM mediocre second pair.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 13:48

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 16:45

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I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.


You may be right. He's a bargain contract right now though, and if he outperforms it at all, then we don't have much room to give him any raise, nor to get a replacement/upgrade. He could be next year's first line RW if Puljujarvi can't be re-signed.

Holland should be talking to JP's representatives already.

The Oilers absolutely have to be willing to play hardball with these complimentary players. Let the agents go find out what the market is for them. IF Columbus thinks they can build around Puljuj, let them. Otherwise, they're going to be paid like the complimentary players they are. Nothing personal, kid. Either way it looks pretty likely the team is going to have to dump some salary *cough Kassian*.

How bad do those buyouts look now? 4.1 to Neal, Sekera, and Lucic this year and next. Good thing Koskinen is in his last year.


And like Adam pointed out, a $9MM mediocre second pair.

We're not allowed to evaluate them yet.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 14:07

Mike wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 13:48

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 16:45

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I’m in the minority I’m sure, but I don’t see yamo having a great season. Sure, he tries hard.. but I don’t believe the results will be there from him.


You may be right. He's a bargain contract right now though, and if he outperforms it at all, then we don't have much room to give him any raise, nor to get a replacement/upgrade. He could be next year's first line RW if Puljujarvi can't be re-signed.

Holland should be talking to JP's representatives already.

The Oilers absolutely have to be willing to play hardball with these complimentary players. Let the agents go find out what the market is for them. IF Columbus thinks they can build around Puljuj, let them. Otherwise, they're going to be paid like the complimentary players they are. Nothing personal, kid. Either way it looks pretty likely the team is going to have to dump some salary *cough Kassian*.

How bad do those buyouts look now? 4.1 to Neal, Sekera, and Lucic this year and next. Good thing Koskinen is in his last year.


And like Adam pointed out, a $9MM mediocre second pair.

We're not allowed to evaluate them yet.


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How bad do those buyouts look now? 4.1 to Neal, Sekera, and Lucic this year and next. Good thing Koskinen is in his last year.



Yes but clearly that was the only option. Name one team who had a bad contract on the books and was able to trade it, or have the player get a massively convenient injury. it just doesn't happen.



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I agree that Puljujarvi is not elite, but he is trending to be very good. What is his value right now if we could get him for 8 years? 4.5-5M AAV?

What if scores 35G and 25A this year? 6-7.5M? Really want to see this kid here long-term, but it will all about price point because of some of these boat anchor buyout/trades on the Cap.



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I agree that Puljujarvi is not elite, but he is trending to be very good. What is his value right now if we could get him for 8 years? 4.5-5M AAV?

What if scores 35G and 25A this year? 6-7.5M? Really want to see this kid here long-term, but it will all about price point because of some of these boat anchor buyout/trades on the Cap.


We could be in real trouble on this contract. I don't expect Puljujarvi to continue his current pace, but he could definitely be a 65-70 point player this year - even with the Oilers giving Hyman a lot of the PP1 reps.

It's possible that his success will be considered to be in big part because of who he's played with, although it is worth noting that no one other than Draisaitl has put up 70 points with McDavid. Ryan Strome had a break out with Panarin a couple of years ago and got only a two year deal at $4.5MM per season, so that's probably the best case scenario. However, you have to remember that he signed that deal during COVID, when teams were pretty concerned about what the next couple years were going to look like financially.

I think you're right that the best we can hope for is $6MM per and it's probably another shorter deal then.

Just wait for the Bouchard deal the year after that too...




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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 22:47

I agree that Puljujarvi is not elite, but he is trending to be very good. What is his value right now if we could get him for 8 years? 4.5-5M AAV?

What if scores 35G and 25A this year? 6-7.5M? Really want to see this kid here long-term, but it will all about price point because of some of these boat anchor buyout/trades on the Cap.


We could be in real trouble on this contract. I don't expect Puljujarvi to continue his current pace, but he could definitely be a 65-70 point player this year - even with the Oilers giving Hyman a lot of the PP1 reps.

It's possible that his success will be considered to be in big part because of who he's played with, although it is worth noting that no one other than Draisaitl has put up 70 points with McDavid. Ryan Strome had a break out with Panarin a couple of years ago and got only a two year deal at $4.5MM per season, so that's probably the best case scenario. However, you have to remember that he signed that deal during COVID, when teams were pretty concerned about what the next couple years were going to look like financially.

I think you're right that the best we can hope for is $6MM per and it's probably another shorter deal then.

Just wait for the Bouchard deal the year after that too...



IF the floor for Puljujarvi is 6 million, you let someone else pay that. I understand that the Oilers need plyers who can score and actually play in the NHL. I really like what new Puljuj is bringing, and not just in terms of pant launches, but a team can only have so many players at that price point. He has to be a complimentary player for the Oilers and the Oilers need to pay him like that's what he is.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 10:49

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 10:09

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 22:47

I agree that Puljujarvi is not elite, but he is trending to be very good. What is his value right now if we could get him for 8 years? 4.5-5M AAV?

What if scores 35G and 25A this year? 6-7.5M? Really want to see this kid here long-term, but it will all about price point because of some of these boat anchor buyout/trades on the Cap.


We could be in real trouble on this contract. I don't expect Puljujarvi to continue his current pace, but he could definitely be a 65-70 point player this year - even with the Oilers giving Hyman a lot of the PP1 reps.

It's possible that his success will be considered to be in big part because of who he's played with, although it is worth noting that no one other than Draisaitl has put up 70 points with McDavid. Ryan Strome had a break out with Panarin a couple of years ago and got only a two year deal at $4.5MM per season, so that's probably the best case scenario. However, you have to remember that he signed that deal during COVID, when teams were pretty concerned about what the next couple years were going to look like financially.

I think you're right that the best we can hope for is $6MM per and it's probably another shorter deal then.

Just wait for the Bouchard deal the year after that too...



IF the floor for Puljujarvi is 6 million, you let someone else pay that. I understand that the Oilers need plyers who can score and actually play in the NHL. I really like what new Puljuj is bringing, and not just in terms of pant launches, but a team can only have so many players at that price point. He has to be a complimentary player for the Oilers and the Oilers need to pay him like that's what he is.

They can just create any cap space they need by buying out other bad contracts.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 11:21

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 10:49

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 October 2021 10:09

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 18 October 2021 22:47

I agree that Puljujarvi is not elite, but he is trending to be very good. What is his value right now if we could get him for 8 years? 4.5-5M AAV?

What if scores 35G and 25A this year? 6-7.5M? Really want to see this kid here long-term, but it will all about price point because of some of these boat anchor buyout/trades on the Cap.


We could be in real trouble on this contract. I don't expect Puljujarvi to continue his current pace, but he could definitely be a 65-70 point player this year - even with the Oilers giving Hyman a lot of the PP1 reps.

It's possible that his success will be considered to be in big part because of who he's played with, although it is worth noting that no one other than Draisaitl has put up 70 points with McDavid. Ryan Strome had a break out with Panarin a couple of years ago and got only a two year deal at $4.5MM per season, so that's probably the best case scenario. However, you have to remember that he signed that deal during COVID, when teams were pretty concerned about what the next couple years were going to look like financially.

I think you're right that the best we can hope for is $6MM per and it's probably another shorter deal then.

Just wait for the Bouchard deal the year after that too...



IF the floor for Puljujarvi is 6 million, you let someone else pay that. I understand that the Oilers need plyers who can score and actually play in the NHL. I really like what new Puljuj is bringing, and not just in terms of pant launches, but a team can only have so many players at that price point. He has to be a complimentary player for the Oilers and the Oilers need to pay him like that's what he is.

They can just create any cap space they need by buying out other bad contracts.


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They can just create any cap space they need by buying out other bad contracts.

Shut. Up.

But actually, the awful Sekara buy out comes off the books after 2022-23. So maybe they giva a short term contract to Puljuj through next and buy out... let's see... who is over paid, is signed beyond the summer of 2023, and might be awful enough to buy out in June 2023...

Codi Ceci.

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