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 Re: 2021 - Speculation ‘round the League [message #790674 is a reply to message #790669 ]
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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 10:39

Dragon_Matt wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 09:29

except Ben Bishop is out for the season.


Is this new? My understanding is he was going to be ready for the fall after missing last season. He waived his NMC for the Stars during the expansion draft with the expectation he was going to be ready for next season.

There's a HUGE red flag about a goalie who missed a full season recovering from surgery, especially at his age. But he was also one of the top goalies in the NHL prior to that, so maybe there's something there still.


Here's a couple articles:

https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/7/16/22580264/dallas-star s-daily-links-ben-bishop-health-expansion-draft-seattle-krak en-nhl-offseason-trade-target
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“Still a long ways to go,” Bishop said. “With a little bit of uncertainty, we’ve still got to get to where I can play at an elite level. There’s still a process to be played out here.”


https://www.defendingbigd.com/2021/7/28/22598218/dallas-star s-sign-braden-holtby-1-year-2-million-nhl-offseason-free-age ncy-bishop-khudobin-oettinger
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Previously, it was speculated that Bishop would not be ready in time for the start of the 2021-22 NHL season. Now that the Stars have signed Holtby, it’s worth wondering if Bishop is expected to be back at all — it’s quite possible that Bishop has decided to unofficially “retire” and will live out the remainder of his contract on LTIR.


Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.



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 Re: 2021 - Speculation ‘round the League [message #790675 is a reply to message #790674 ]
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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:01



Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:12

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:01



Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



$2MM on a one-way deal for Holtby. That's not the deal you give someone you've tagged for the AHL.

Either they think Oetinger is better served playing 50-65 games in the AHL this year, or they're going to move Khudobin and open up the crease for Oetinger...although if I was them, I'd rather see those two share it this year.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:12

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 11:01



Assuming Khudobin is the starter, and Holtby has been signed to be his backup, that leaves Oetinger on the outside looking in. His numbers weren't bad last year - I'd definitely take him over Holtby. The article suggests they could look to trade Khudobin as well and hand the reins to young Oetinger...Either way, the Oilers would need to find a home for Koskinen to make the deal, because it would be pretty clear that Dallas doesn't need him.

I do think the Holtby signing is weird no matter how you cut it. I don't think it improves their situation at all to have him.


Huh... hadn't heard that about Bishop. Yeah, that's not an optimistic prognosis.

That Holtby signing is weird. I personally can't see them getting rid of Oetinger - I think they see him as the goalie of the future - but going forward with Oetinger / Khudobin seem preferable to Oetinger / Holtby. Can't say I understand that one, unless they play on pushing Holtby to the AHL... and I'm not sure why Holtby would agree to that so early in free agency.

Teams that might be looking for a goalie: Buffalo comes to mind immediately, and the situation in Chicago with Fleury is still up in the air, I believe. Arizona, Calgary, Detroit, and Vegas all look like teams that might want a backup as well.

https://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/hockey/depth-chart/G/



Vegas gave a hefty $ to Brossoit didn’t they? Like two and a half mil or something silly. Pretty sure he’ll be their backup and they aren’t in the market anymore



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Tampa is happily 4M over the cap now, and have Seabrook's 6.8M of guaranteed LTIR to not have to care. Looking like we're gonna be over the cap and have to use LTIR in the summer once Foegele and Yams are signed and we get a little more depth.

Time to look for another 4M of LTIR to add to our team? :)

Wonder if the Ducks would let us have the amazing Ryan Kesler. Canucks probably need Ferland's LTIR to sign their stars.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 July 2021 10:28

Tampa is happily 4M over the cap now, and have Seabrook's 6.8M of guaranteed LTIR to not have to care. Looking like we're gonna be over the cap and have to use LTIR in the summer once Foegele and Yams are signed and we get a little more depth.

Time to look for another 4M of LTIR to add to our team? :)

Wonder if the Ducks would let us have the amazing Ryan Kesler. Canucks probably need Ferland's LTIR to sign their stars.

That sounds a little too crazy for our guy. Maybe a better move would be losing a trade to get a player who costs less?



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21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 09:59

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2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185


SCREAMS Kravtsov for Benson.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?

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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!



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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


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It is pretty amazing that we have so many great soundbites from the GMs here to always remember them by. "Did you want me to get him for free?" goes in to the pantheon beside such memorable quotes as "If you have to ask the question...", "You can only have so many $4 Million price point defencemen", "...so I know a little bit about winning, if that was ever a concern" and "there's something in the water here" and "...death by 1000 cuts."

Someone should really be keeping a list. I feel like I'm missing some of the truly great ones here.



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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:30

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 13:20

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 15:32

Mike wrote on Wed, 13 October 2021 06:04

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 12 October 2021 12:59

Frank Seravalli @frank_seravalli
2018 No. 9 overall pick Vitali Kravtsov unhappy after failing to crack #NYR opening night NHL lineup. He changed agents over the last few months. New agent Dan Milstein now has permission to speak with other teams about a fresh start.



21 year old 6'3 Left shot RW looking for a new home.

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=201185



Dammit. Used my 2nd pick in my keeper league on this guy.

But seriously - Holland needs to jump on the phone here. This kid is huge, fast, not a bruiser but not scared to hit. Not sure how exactly he would fit. but would be worth finding a way. Guessing he will be going for way less than market value.

I would suggest a prospect and a 2nd or 3rd, but we can't use those.

Maybe Ceci and Keith for Kravstov?


We better get a 3rd round pick too if we're paying that much!


Drury: "Did you want me to get them for free?!?!?!?!"



It is pretty amazing that we have so many great soundbites from the GMs here to always remember them by. "Did you want me to get him for free?" goes in to the pantheon beside such memorable quotes as "If you have to ask the question...", "You can only have so many $4 Million price point defencemen", "...so I know a little bit about winning, if that was ever a concern" and "there's something in the water here" and "...death by 1000 cuts."

Someone should really be keeping a list. I feel like I'm missing some of the truly great ones here.


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