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Per the team;

The #Oilers have issued qualifying offers to pending restricted free agent forwards Kailer Yamamoto, Tyler Benson & Cooper Marody as well as goaltender Stuart Skinner.


https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/release-oilers-issue-qualify ing-offers-to-four-players/c-325806528

This means Jujhar Khaira, Dominik Kahun, and Theodor Lennstrom have not been qualified and will become UFAs on July 28.



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Would be sad to see the end of the Jujhar Hockey era.




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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 25 July 2021 17:48

Would be sad to see the end of the Jujhar Hockey era.




Concussions and all. Unless he takes a lesser monetary amount, he’ll be gone. Kraken perhaps. Canucks maybe.



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Kr55 wrote on Sun, 25 July 2021 17:48

Would be sad to see the end of the Jujhar Hockey era.




I think it is telling that the Oilers went out of their way to give a raise and an extra year to Devin Shore who was generally useless all year and was healthy scratched for the first couple games of the playoffs, and then didn't qualify Kahun who was 4th among forwards in ES goals this year. That is telling of a team that doesn't understand what helps them to win.

They love the appearance of effort from Shore more than the actual results delivered by Kahun.

Kahun's replaceable, as is Khaira, but I'd have rather had either on the team than Shore for the next two.



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I don't get the not qualifying Kahun. He would be a lot of what we would need in our bottom 6. Actual NHL players. He's not a top line winger like they tried to force him into, but he can play hockey. I think it's a miss to let him walk. Our bottom 6 looks a lot better with him in it at around $1M.


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Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:21

I don't get the not qualifying Kahun. He would be a lot of what we would need in our bottom 6. Actual NHL players. He's not a top line winger like they tried to force him into, but he can play hockey. I think it's a miss to let him walk. Our bottom 6 looks a lot better with him in it at around $1M.

I agree. we are almost definitely going replace him with a worse NHLer. and probably for similar dollars.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:39

Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:21

I don't get the not qualifying Kahun. He would be a lot of what we would need in our bottom 6. Actual NHL players. He's not a top line winger like they tried to force him into, but he can play hockey. I think it's a miss to let him walk. Our bottom 6 looks a lot better with him in it at around $1M.

I agree. we are almost definitely going replace him with a worse NHLer. and probably for similar dollars.


Org probably hates him now like Toby. 2nd time we got a drai buddy that didn't exceed expectations. Don't want to risk arbitration.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:21

I don't get the not qualifying Kahun. He would be a lot of what we would need in our bottom 6. Actual NHL players. He's not a top line winger like they tried to force him into, but he can play hockey. I think it's a miss to let him walk. Our bottom 6 looks a lot better with him in it at around $1M.


Typical Oilers - the guy wasn't exactly what they hoped he was, so they cast him off as no good, despite the fact that he's better (and cheaper) than a lot of the other guys they have. They were disappointed he didn't score 20, so they decide that he has no value.

Between that and the idiotic belief that everyone in the bottom six has to have a completely defined specialist role, as opposed to just focusing on outscoring the opposition when they're on the ice, they are well set up to continue making errors with the bottom of the roster.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:55

Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 09:21

I don't get the not qualifying Kahun. He would be a lot of what we would need in our bottom 6. Actual NHL players. He's not a top line winger like they tried to force him into, but he can play hockey. I think it's a miss to let him walk. Our bottom 6 looks a lot better with him in it at around $1M.


Typical Oilers - the guy wasn't exactly what they hoped he was, so they cast him off as no good, despite the fact that he's better (and cheaper) than a lot of the other guys they have. They were disappointed he didn't score 20, so they decide that he has no value.

Between that and the idiotic belief that everyone in the bottom six has to have a completely defined specialist role, as opposed to just focusing on outscoring the opposition when they're on the ice, they are well set up to continue making errors with the bottom of the roster.

That sounds like advanced statistics mumbo jumbo. You just look at the player with your eyes. There's no analytics for gumption.



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I was curious, so I looked it up to see who scored more even strength goals without PP goals. My thought is that most scorers get significant PP time, which Kahun did not (0:21 per game, 14th on the team in PPTOI/G and 11th in total PPTOI). Here's the results:

Jordan Kyrou 14
Evgenii Dadonov 13
Daniel Sprong 13
Kevin Labanc 12
Mason Appleton 12
Nic Dowd 11
Nico Sturm 11
Marcus Foligno 10
Andreas Athanasiou 10
Luke Kunin 10

Tied with Kahun were:
Jakub Voracek 9
Adam Lowry 9
Rocco Grimaldi 9
Rickard Rakell 9
Valeri Nichushkin 9
P.E. Bellemare 9
Mike McLeod 9
Ross Colton 9
Brandon Hagel 9

So only 10 other players without a lot of PP production had better ES production. A lot of the names on that list are a lot more expensive than the QO we've just walked away from.

There's not a lot of chance that the guy we replace Kahun with is going to be more productive than that. I do wonder what stats the Oilers pay attention to when they make decisions like this.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 10:55

I was curious, so I looked it up to see who scored more even strength goals without PP goals. My thought is that most scorers get significant PP time, which Kahun did not (0:21 per game, 14th on the team in PPTOI/G and 11th in total PPTOI). Here's the results:

Jordan Kyrou 14
Evgenii Dadonov 13
Daniel Sprong 13
Kevin Labanc 12
Mason Appleton 12
Nic Dowd 11
Nico Sturm 11
Marcus Foligno 10
Andreas Athanasiou 10
Luke Kunin 10

Tied with Kahun were:
Jakub Voracek 9
Adam Lowry 9
Rocco Grimaldi 9
Rickard Rakell 9
Valeri Nichushkin 9
P.E. Bellemare 9
Mike McLeod 9
Ross Colton 9
Brandon Hagel 9

So only 10 other players without a lot of PP production had better ES production. A lot of the names on that list are a lot more expensive than the QO we've just walked away from.

There's not a lot of chance that the guy we replace Kahun with is going to be more productive than that. I do wonder what stats the Oilers pay attention to when they make decisions like this.

Imagine if we could get a fast, former 30 goal man like Athanasiou on our squad!



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:55

I do wonder what stats the Oilers pay attention to when they make decisions like this.


No you don't you f'in liar. You know exactly what they used (or didn't)



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 10:55

I was curious, so I looked it up to see who scored more even strength goals without PP goals. My thought is that most scorers get significant PP time, which Kahun did not (0:21 per game, 14th on the team in PPTOI/G and 11th in total PPTOI). Here's the results:

Jordan Kyrou 14
Evgenii Dadonov 13
Daniel Sprong 13
Kevin Labanc 12
Mason Appleton 12
Nic Dowd 11
Nico Sturm 11
Marcus Foligno 10
Andreas Athanasiou 10
Luke Kunin 10

Tied with Kahun were:
Jakub Voracek 9
Adam Lowry 9
Rocco Grimaldi 9
Rickard Rakell 9
Valeri Nichushkin 9
P.E. Bellemare 9
Mike McLeod 9
Ross Colton 9
Brandon Hagel 9

So only 10 other players without a lot of PP production had better ES production. A lot of the names on that list are a lot more expensive than the QO we've just walked away from.

There's not a lot of chance that the guy we replace Kahun with is going to be more productive than that. I do wonder what stats the Oilers pay attention to when they make decisions like this.


But how many of those guys got to ride shotgun with Leon Draisaitl?



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Oscargasm wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 11:58

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 10:55

I was curious, so I looked it up to see who scored more even strength goals without PP goals. My thought is that most scorers get significant PP time, which Kahun did not (0:21 per game, 14th on the team in PPTOI/G and 11th in total PPTOI). Here's the results:

Jordan Kyrou 14
Evgenii Dadonov 13
Daniel Sprong 13
Kevin Labanc 12
Mason Appleton 12
Nic Dowd 11
Nico Sturm 11
Marcus Foligno 10
Andreas Athanasiou 10
Luke Kunin 10

Tied with Kahun were:
Jakub Voracek 9
Adam Lowry 9
Rocco Grimaldi 9
Rickard Rakell 9
Valeri Nichushkin 9
P.E. Bellemare 9
Mike McLeod 9
Ross Colton 9
Brandon Hagel 9

So only 10 other players without a lot of PP production had better ES production. A lot of the names on that list are a lot more expensive than the QO we've just walked away from.

There's not a lot of chance that the guy we replace Kahun with is going to be more productive than that. I do wonder what stats the Oilers pay attention to when they make decisions like this.


But how many of those guys got to ride shotgun with Leon Draisaitl?


If you could point to others in Edmonton who scored as much at even strength because they played with Draisaitl, that could be the crux of the question, but the fact is that at even strength, Kahun significantly outscored Yamamoto (who had more time with Draisaitl) and Nugent-Hopkins (who played with either 97 or 29 for much of the year).

When you then look at players in similar spots - virtually no PP, definitely no PP1 - Kahun is outperformed by only a handful in the whole league, and which of those on that list could the Oilers get for ~$1.2MM?



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 15:47

When you then look at players in similar spots - virtually no PP, definitely no PP1 - Kahun is outperformed by only a handful in the whole league, and which of those on that list could the Oilers get for ~$1.2MM?


And signing or not signing Kahun won't be the difference between a Stanley Cup and a lottery team. But it's just these constant little gaffes start to add up.



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Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 12:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 15:47

When you then look at players in similar spots - virtually no PP, definitely no PP1 - Kahun is outperformed by only a handful in the whole league, and which of those on that list could the Oilers get for ~$1.2MM?


And signing or not signing Kahun won't be the difference between a Stanley Cup and a lottery team. But it's just these constant little gaffes start to add up.


Correct if I'm wrong, but can they not still sign him before the 28th? QO's are only required if they are just trying to retain the players rights and/or are ok with the amount correct?




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jds308 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:24

Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 12:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 15:47

When you then look at players in similar spots - virtually no PP, definitely no PP1 - Kahun is outperformed by only a handful in the whole league, and which of those on that list could the Oilers get for ~$1.2MM?


And signing or not signing Kahun won't be the difference between a Stanley Cup and a lottery team. But it's just these constant little gaffes start to add up.


Correct if I'm wrong, but can they not still sign him before the 28th? QO's are only required if they are just trying to retain the players rights and/or are ok with the amount correct?



I think the way it works it he was entitled to a raise if he was qualified. So this is KH saying you aren't worth the raise. Maybe he loves playing with Drai and comes back for less, but he wasn't making a ton and you have to think somebody liked his 5 on 5 numbers enough to pay him the higher figure.



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jds308 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:24

Mike wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 12:06

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 15:47

When you then look at players in similar spots - virtually no PP, definitely no PP1 - Kahun is outperformed by only a handful in the whole league, and which of those on that list could the Oilers get for ~$1.2MM?


And signing or not signing Kahun won't be the difference between a Stanley Cup and a lottery team. But it's just these constant little gaffes start to add up.


Correct if I'm wrong, but can they not still sign him before the 28th? QO's are only required if they are just trying to retain the players rights and/or are ok with the amount correct?




They can sign anyone to deals above or below the QO if the QO is rejected, but it's key to retaining their rights. If you don't give a qualifying offer, then instead of being RFA, they become UFA.

Players earning over $1MM (Khaira), require no raise - just the same as last year. Would have been $1.3MM because his deal climbed from year one to year two. Because he was less than $1MM, Kahun would have been owed a 5% raise to $1.024MM. Peanuts for the production he brought.



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Jujhar, i can see where the team is more cautious. They know his health status regarding concussions, and that might be a concern. He's also made $1.2 mill last year so he'd have to be qualified at $1.3+ mill. They probably told him to go and look for a better deal, but come back if you can't find anything.

Theo, we barely knew you. Good luck in your future endeavours.

Dom, this one is a little more curious. He wasn't making much, so even with the mandated raise, he's still under a million. The coach clearly hates him. He was healthy scratched multiple times. I don't think the team believes he fits a 4th line role, and I'm not sure they want to play him higher than that. Maybe they feel they need to look at other players, and he'll still be available if needed.

Last year, teams got great deals on lower priced players. Maybe it's best if they keep more options open.



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and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.



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NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:00

and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.


Patrick Russell is a UFA. Tippett's adopted son could be playing for a different team as early as next week...



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:02

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:00

and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.


Patrick Russell is a UFA. Tippett's adopted son could be playing for a different team as early as next week...


These are the guys that will round out the bottom of the roster, and should be found in the bargain bin later in free agency. I don't see a big issue in letting them test the market. If they find more $ elsewhere, good on them. With the tight cap, there will be value signings to be had. Kenny just needs to know how to spot them.



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jds308 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:02

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:00

and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.


Patrick Russell is a UFA. Tippett's adopted son could be playing for a different team as early as next week...


These are the guys that will round out the bottom of the roster, and should be found in the bargain bin later in free agency. I don't see a big issue in letting them test the market. If they find more $ elsewhere, good on them. With the tight cap, there will be value signings to be had. Kenny just needs to know how to spot them.


Agreed entirely on Russell - although I can't see any circumstance where I'd sign him back, because we know he's completely ineffective.

Kahun, I disagree on. You have team control on a guy who can produce at even strength? That is worthwhile keeping at $1.024MM. And if he rejects that qualifying offer, you can give him lower offers after that - because his only options are get an offer sheet (which never happens on C-list players) or potentially sit out the season.

We need guys to fill out the roster. The chances of getting someone more capable of scoring in an ES/PK role only is virtually nil, especially at that dollar figure. I suspect that NetBOG is correct - the Oilers don't think this fits their vision of what a fourth-liner should be. That's flawed though, because fourth liners should not be designated hitters and penalty killers only. 75+% of the time they spend on the ice is at even strength, so you should look to find good players who you think can outscore the opposition - probably the other team's fourth line - whenever they are on the ice.

The Oilers approach on this has been really consistent the last decade or so, and what has happened is that our fourth line (and for much of that time the third line too) is just praying to break even at even strength - and usually failing at that. It puts an extreme burden on the top line to carry the offence, because we're a big net negative from the depth.

I said before that the team should have called up the entire McLeod/Benson/Marody line late in the season and run them as the fourth line. What we had was getting killed regularly, but the team returns and returns to the same players. The hilarious thing is that they believe many of these guys to be "dependable" when all that you can depend on them for is to allow more goals than they contribute.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:04

jds308 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:20

Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 13:02

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:00

and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.


Patrick Russell is a UFA. Tippett's adopted son could be playing for a different team as early as next week...


These are the guys that will round out the bottom of the roster, and should be found in the bargain bin later in free agency. I don't see a big issue in letting them test the market. If they find more $ elsewhere, good on them. With the tight cap, there will be value signings to be had. Kenny just needs to know how to spot them.


Agreed entirely on Russell - although I can't see any circumstance where I'd sign him back, because we know he's completely ineffective.

Kahun, I disagree on. You have team control on a guy who can produce at even strength? That is worthwhile keeping at $1.024MM. And if he rejects that qualifying offer, you can give him lower offers after that - because his only options are get an offer sheet (which never happens on C-list players) or potentially sit out the season.

We need guys to fill out the roster. The chances of getting someone more capable of scoring in an ES/PK role only is virtually nil, especially at that dollar figure. I suspect that NetBOG is correct - the Oilers don't think this fits their vision of what a fourth-liner should be. That's flawed though, because fourth liners should not be designated hitters and penalty killers only. 75+% of the time they spend on the ice is at even strength, so you should look to find good players who you think can outscore the opposition - probably the other team's fourth line - whenever they are on the ice.

The Oilers approach on this has been really consistent the last decade or so, and what has happened is that our fourth line (and for much of that time the third line too) is just praying to break even at even strength - and usually failing at that. It puts an extreme burden on the top line to carry the offence, because we're a big net negative from the depth.

I said before that the team should have called up the entire McLeod/Benson/Marody line late in the season and run them as the fourth line. What we had was getting killed regularly, but the team returns and returns to the same players. The hilarious thing is that they believe many of these guys to be "dependable" when all that you can depend on them for is to allow more goals than they contribute.


I'm a bit surprised they QO'd Marody, but I wouldn't mind seeing those 3 on a line together this year. Speed might be the issue there. I've barely seen these guys aside from McLeod, but the media are always harping about the lack of speed with the other 2.



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I'm a bit surprised they QO'd Marody, but I wouldn't mind seeing those 3 on a line together this year. Speed might be the issue there. I've barely seen these guys aside from McLeod, but the media are always harping about the lack of speed with the other 2.


I trust the talent evaluation from Edmonton sports media about as far as I can throw them. We've seen again and again with those guys that they don't actually understand skating dynamics at all. They're always waaaay more impressed with guys who churn their feet quickly than those with longer smoother strides, even if it can be demonstrably shown that the latter is faster.

They're not exactly world class scouts when it comes to the game of hockey.

Marody and Benson both put up really good numbers in the AHL. That does not always translate to the NHL, but it is a big plus. Anyone who can't produce in the AHL is a tremendous longshot to be a producer at the higher level.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldn't take much to be better than what we rolled out this past year. The depth scoring was league worst, and worse than even the Oilers had seen - which is saying a lot. If we have even mediocre depth, we're a much better team than the one with ridiculously bad depth that we saw last year.




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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 16:33

jds308 wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 17:17


I'm a bit surprised they QO'd Marody, but I wouldn't mind seeing those 3 on a line together this year. Speed might be the issue there. I've barely seen these guys aside from McLeod, but the media are always harping about the lack of speed with the other 2.


I trust the talent evaluation from Edmonton sports media about as far as I can throw them. We've seen again and again with those guys that they don't actually understand skating dynamics at all. They're always waaaay more impressed with guys who churn their feet quickly than those with longer smoother strides, even if it can be demonstrably shown that the latter is faster.

They're not exactly world class scouts when it comes to the game of hockey.

Marody and Benson both put up really good numbers in the AHL. That does not always translate to the NHL, but it is a big plus. Anyone who can't produce in the AHL is a tremendous longshot to be a producer at the higher level.

The fact of the matter is that it wouldn't take much to be better than what we rolled out this past year. The depth scoring was league worst, and worse than even the Oilers had seen - which is saying a lot. If we have even mediocre depth, we're a much better team than the one with ridiculously bad depth that we saw last year.




Yeah, I remember all the crying about how Leon was slow in his first couple of seasons. Doesn't seem to be a problem anymore. I would absolutely love it if those 3 could form an effective "kid" line and do some damage. Coach would have to play them though, and that might be the crux of the matter.



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Adam wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:02

NetBOG wrote on Mon, 26 July 2021 14:00

and also, signing these guys gets in the way of more ice time for Patty Russell.

Priorities people.


Patrick Russell is a UFA. Tippett's adopted son could be playing for a different team as early as next week...


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Am I the only one who watched Kahun play? He may have scored 9 goals but the chances he had. Jesus. To me he brought nothing to the game. He didn't back check well, wasn't strong on the puck around the boards. But yes he did score o goals riding shotgun with the beast Drai.


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 10:54

Am I the only one who watched Kahun play? He may have scored 9 goals but the chances he had. Jesus. To me he brought nothing to the game. He didn't back check well, wasn't strong on the puck around the boards. But yes he did score o goals riding shotgun with the beast Drai.


If you saw him worse than our entire bottom 6, then we don't watch hockey the same way I guess. Again, not a stud, but certainly orders of magnitude better than Devin friggin Shore...



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 07:54

Am I the only one who watched Kahun play? He may have scored 9 goals but the chances he had. Jesus. To me he brought nothing to the game. He didn't back check well, wasn't strong on the puck around the boards. But yes he did score o goals riding shotgun with the beast Drai.

Isn't this another way of saying that with a little puck luck he might have had 20 goals? To me he was always in hard on the forecheck, and maybe a bit suspect on D, but that isn't so bad with a winger as they have the least defensive responsibility. He produced at the same rate he did in his other NHL stops and somebody will get a decent NHL scorer in their bottom six for cheap.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 08:21

clutchlikeeberle wrote on Tue, 27 July 2021 07:54

Am I the only one who watched Kahun play? He may have scored 9 goals but the chances he had. Jesus. To me he brought nothing to the game. He didn't back check well, wasn't strong on the puck around the boards. But yes he did score o goals riding shotgun with the beast Drai.

Isn't this another way of saying that with a little puck luck he might have had 20 goals? To me he was always in hard on the forecheck, and maybe a bit suspect on D, but that isn't so bad with a winger as they have the least defensive responsibility. He produced at the same rate he did in his other NHL stops and somebody will get a decent NHL scorer in their bottom six for cheap.


Yeah, that's not an amazing criticism - the guy had all kinds of chances? How many chances did you see Devin Shore have this year? Jujhar Khaira? Nate Archibald? Even Zack Kassian?

Here's the shot stats for the Oilers forwards outside the big 3 this year:

Puljujarvi - 115 (55 GP)
Yamamoto - 69 (52 GP)
Kahun - 69 (48 GP)
Chiasson - 65 (45)
Archibald - 62 (52)
Neal - 51 (29)
Khaira - 41 (40)
Ennis - 38 (30)
Turris - 27 (27)
Shore - 27 (38)
Haas - 24 (34)
Kassian - 18 (27)
Russell - 12 (8)
Nygard - 6 (9)
McLeod - 3 (10)

Only Chiasson & Neal (both of whom had significant PP time) generated shots at a similar rate to Kahun, and his shooting percentage was better than anyone but Chiasson and Shore (although Shore's numbers are significantly boosted since 40% of his 5 goals were in to empty nets).

Kassian's shots total is dreadful, especially for a guy who had some push up the lineup during the course of the season. McLeod's shot generation is problematic too - he's going to have to find a way to produce more than that, although maybe you can give him a bit of a pass given that it was the first 10 games of his NHL career and he played much of it with Neal and Chiasson and may have been deferring too much.

Kahun and Yamamoto is an interesting comparison - Kahun played 4 less games and 4 minutes a game less, so Yamamoto isn't generating what he should here. It's notable that he did play with Draisaitl for most of the season. Yamamoto bests Kahun on points (21-15) and even strength points (18-14) as he gets more assists, but you wonder if Yamamoto had been the cheap free agent and Kahun the former first round pick of the organization who they'd be in a hurry to keep. I do think Yamamoto is going to come in significantly more expensive than what they could have had Kahun for.

The crazy thing about all this is that it doesn't even touch on fancy stats or analytics. This is just simply goals, points and shots. It shouldn't be hard for the team to understand this, even with their limited attention to analytics, but they walk away because...why?



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Because. They are clearly changing up the bottom six. Wait till September then see if criticism is due. Man, I say most of you guys got wife's named Karen and returns your meal at a resteraunt if it's not exactly what you ordered. Chill.


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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Wed, 28 July 2021 05:22

Because. They are clearly changing up the bottom six. Wait till September then see if criticism is due. Man, I say most of you guys got wife's named Karen and returns your meal at a resteraunt if it's not exactly what you ordered. Chill.


I this was the summer of 2006, or even 2010. I'd say you have a point.

But until proven otherwise, we've got about 2 decades of work to look back on. Until proven otherwise, it's pretty safe to assume what the Oilers management team has done is crap. Good chance of being right (I recklessly applauded the Turris signing last year - that's on me)



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Marody signs two way deal.

https://www.tsn.ca/cooper-marody-edmonton-oilers-one-year-co ntract-1.1692369

"The 24-year-old spent last season with the AHL's Bakersfield Condors, appearing in 39 games with 21 goals and 15 assists.

He got into six NHL games during the 2018-19 season but was held without a point.

The Brighton, Mich., native was a sixth-round selection (No. 158 overall) by the Philadelphia Flyers in the f2015 NHL Draft."

I like the way Marody plays, but it's going to take an awful number of injuries on the Oilers for Marody to get out of Bakersfield.




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