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 Re: Zack Kassian allowed to look for a trade [message #724514 is a reply to message #724438 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 09:51

nullterm wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 19:56

MacT was one of our better coaches, but beyond his best before.



I still bristle at the suggestion was a good coach. Better than the rest, but that's measuring against low expectations.


I think there's sufficient evidence to suggest he was a decent coach. They were always at least within field goal range of the playoffs, other than 2007, despite some rosters that were lacking in talent, and he outcoached Babcock and others in the 2006 playoffs. I don't think he's Scotty Bowman, but he wasn't bad at it.

Case in point - in his first season, he has 91-point Doug Weight leading the charge, and makes the playoffs with a 93 point season. He loses Weight in a brutally one-sided trade that summer, and still manages to have a 91 point season the following year (just missing the playoffs) despite the fact their best player is now 60-point Mike Comrie. He's back in the playoffs the next year with a 92 point season - led by 67-point Ryan Smyth.

Some of that is definitely Salo, who is underrated for just how good he was for the Oilers for a stretch there, but there's been a lot of rosters in the last several years much, much better than what MacT had to work with who didn't get nearly the same results.

For the record, if I was bringing back old coaches, Krueger, Renney and Nelson are all ahead of MacT on my list...



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 Re: Zack Kassian allowed to look for a trade [message #724537 is a reply to message #724514 ]
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Adam wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 22:42

CrusaderPi wrote on Mon, 10 December 2018 09:51

nullterm wrote on Tue, 13 November 2018 19:56

MacT was one of our better coaches, but beyond his best before.



I still bristle at the suggestion was a good coach. Better than the rest, but that's measuring against low expectations.


I think there's sufficient evidence to suggest he was a decent coach. They were always at least within field goal range of the playoffs, other than 2007, despite some rosters that were lacking in talent, and he outcoached Babcock and others in the 2006 playoffs. I don't think he's Scotty Bowman, but he wasn't bad at it.

Case in point - in his first season, he has 91-point Doug Weight leading the charge, and makes the playoffs with a 93 point season. He loses Weight in a brutally one-sided trade that summer, and still manages to have a 91 point season the following year (just missing the playoffs) despite the fact their best player is now 60-point Mike Comrie. He's back in the playoffs the next year with a 92 point season - led by 67-point Ryan Smyth.

Some of that is definitely Salo, who is underrated for just how good he was for the Oilers for a stretch there, but there's been a lot of rosters in the last several years much, much better than what MacT had to work with who didn't get nearly the same results.

For the record, if I was bringing back old coaches, Krueger, Renney and Nelson are all ahead of MacT on my list...

I don't accept that argument. MacTavish's best seasons were coached at the time when 3 of the 15 teams in the conference were sad sack recent expansion clubs, the Ducks were still the pre-Giguere Ducks, and the Flames were in the midst of a hilarious run of 7 years out of the playoffs. The club was also still coasting of the momentum built by the really underrated late-Sather years. MacTavish managed the decline of the Oilers as they entered the decade of darkness, but that's it.



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