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 Re: World Championships 2018 [message #714639 is a reply to message #713234 ]
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In other news, ex-Oiler Alex Plante is hold strong along on Korea's blueline, rocking a respectable -8, all things considered.

https://www.new-iihf.com/en/events/2018/wm/teams/roster/1609

Apparently he has been playing in the Asia League Ice Hockey for the last few years.

http://www.alhockey.com/team/profile/halla/

Good for him, but a terrible pick at 15.



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ziltoid wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 20:37

Good for him, but a terrible pick at 15.


I cursed a lot at that pick. Ditto with the Riley Nash pick (well the trade up to get him).



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Mike wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 18:34

ziltoid wrote on Tue, 15 May 2018 20:37

Good for him, but a terrible pick at 15.


I cursed a lot at that pick. Ditto with the Riley Nash pick (well the trade up to get him).


At least Nash managed to carve out a decent career (avg. 25 pts/yr over the last 5 years as an NHL regular)... even hit a career high 41pts this year. Definitely stupid as he would have been there at both 30 and 36.

Another interesting snippet for that era that encapsulates Oilers management:



Pronger became Lupul (81gp, 28pts), Smid (315gp, 40pts), 30th in 2007, 53rd in 2008, and Eberle (507gp, 382pts).

Lupul became Joni Pitkanen (63gp, 26pts), Geoff Sanderson (41gp, 13pts), and Cameron Abney.

Smid became Horak (2gp, 1pt) and Brossiot (8gp, 1.99, 0.928)

The 30th became Riley Nash, who became Marincin (85gp, 11pts), who became Caleb Jones.

The 53rd became Allan Rourke (13gp, 0pts) and Kirill Petrov (Ducks used 53rd to draft Hamonic).

Eberle became Strome.



So at the start of the 17-18 season, and 11 seasons after Pronger was dealt, we were left with Strome, Caleb Jones, and Brossoit, plus 608gp (mostly from Ebs and Smid) and 501pts (mostly from Ebs). Both Lupul and Pitkanen went on to have career years within 2 seasons of leaving the Oilers, and every trade the Oilers made saw them get worse.

After leaving the Oilers, Pronger went on to play 365 games and amass 242 points while winning a cup..



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Canada/Russia tied 3-3, I just tuned in and Turris scored to make it 3-2 Canada. Russians tied it a minute later.

Man Barzal looks great. I mean what's done is done, the Oilers traded the 16th overall but to say that Brazal wouldn't even be picked by Edmonton? That's crazy. I remember watching the Draft with Oiler fans and we were excited that Barzal Coming to Edmonton.

Edit - Dubois scores, Canada up 4-3.

[Updated on: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:15]


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WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:12

Canada/Russia tied 3-3, I just tuned in and Turris scored to make it 3-2 Canada. Russians tied it a minute later.

Man Barzal looks great. I mean what's done is done, the Oilers traded the 16th overall but to say that Brazal wouldn't even be picked by Edmonton? That's crazy. I remember watching the Draft with Oiler fans and we were excited that Barzal Coming to Edmonton.

Edit - Dubois scores, Canada up 4-3.


Canada needs some stops, listening to the game at work and sounds like that 4-4 goal by Russia was pretty bad. The door should have been shut.



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haha, Keumper really does not want to win this game. Canada is not allowed to have a lead for more than a couple mins.


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What's the overtime format for the single elimination games?

edit - 4 on 4 for 10 minutes

[Updated on: Thu, 17 May 2018 10:35]


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Trying to listen in from work but the damn "listen now" link from TSN just takes me to 1040 in Vancouver where a couple of knobs are discussing the Dys. No WHC game at all angryfire


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Yay for McDavid


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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly



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NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly


I think he just put it under the stick dind't he? Russian guy was doing the classic stick on the ice move where his glove touching the ice is holding the stick up to leave a puck sized space under it :)

McDavid is looking right at it, and just says, screw it, puck is going right through that space.



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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:36

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly


I think he just put it under the stick dind't he? Russian guy was doing the classic stick on the ice move where his glove touching the ice is holding the stick up to leave a puck sized space under it :)

McDavid is looking right at it, and just says, screw it, puck is going right through that space.


Yup, I heard that and immediately had to find a TV to watch the replay. Not that it matters really, as much as I liked Nuge's game and his choice as best player, I don't know how Connor didn't get the nod.

I think there's a good chance Team Canada will have to score 5 each game from here on to win, given Team Canada's goaltending.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 12:03

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:36

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly


I think he just put it under the stick dind't he? Russian guy was doing the classic stick on the ice move where his glove touching the ice is holding the stick up to leave a puck sized space under it :)

McDavid is looking right at it, and just says, screw it, puck is going right through that space.


Yup, I heard that and immediately had to find a TV to watch the replay. Not that it matters really, as much as I liked Nuge's game and his choice as best player, I don't know how Connor didn't get the nod.

I think there's a good chance Team Canada will have to score 5 each game from here on to win, given Team Canada's goaltending.



I agree. Their goaltending is pretty spotty. Goaltending is the great equalizer. When you don't get it, not much even a stacked team can do at times.



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K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:03

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:36

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly


I think he just put it under the stick dind't he? Russian guy was doing the classic stick on the ice move where his glove touching the ice is holding the stick up to leave a puck sized space under it :)

McDavid is looking right at it, and just says, screw it, puck is going right through that space.


Yup, I heard that and immediately had to find a TV to watch the replay. Not that it matters really, as much as I liked Nuge's game and his choice as best player, I don't know how Connor didn't get the nod.

I think there's a good chance Team Canada will have to score 5 each game from here on to win, given Team Canada's goaltending.



The Team officials picks the MVP per game, so it usually moves around game to game, or to a goalie to give him confidence, if it was by actual game performance, it'd be McD every game, which would be embarrassing for McD. I guarantee he doesn't mind it going to his team other mates.



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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 18:46

K.McC#24 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:03

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:36

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 11:10

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 17 May 2018 10:45

Yay for McDavid


Just watched that OT winner. Good Lord that was a sick pass.
Saucer through the defenceman's legs, over his stick and right on the tape of O'Reilly


I think he just put it under the stick dind't he? Russian guy was doing the classic stick on the ice move where his glove touching the ice is holding the stick up to leave a puck sized space under it :)

McDavid is looking right at it, and just says, screw it, puck is going right through that space.


Yup, I heard that and immediately had to find a TV to watch the replay. Not that it matters really, as much as I liked Nuge's game and his choice as best player, I don't know how Connor didn't get the nod.

I think there's a good chance Team Canada will have to score 5 each game from here on to win, given Team Canada's goaltending.



The Team officials picks the MVP per game, so it usually moves around game to game, or to a goalie to give him confidence, if it was by actual game performance, it'd be McD every game, which would be embarrassing for McD. I guarantee he doesn't mind it going to his team other mates.


I seem to remember from world junior tournaments that each player can only win one player of the game award. I have no idea if that's true, but it might be.



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Switzerland is looking like they may "upset" Finland, up 3-2 with 7 minutes to go in the 3rd.

So could be Canada/Swiss which i think might be better after how the last game against the Fins turned out.



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Johnny No-Pressure-Hockey buckles again when the going gets tough. With an added dose of selfishness. Takes a baseball swing with his stick at Lindholm's back (Lindholm not aware it was coming at all just skating up the ice) to take a bad penalty that puts his team down further.

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I Googled that #60 Tristan Scherwey on the Swiss after their game against Finland, he was heads and shoulders the best player on both teams. He’s got the only goal so far, Swiss up on Canada 1-0.


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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 11:49

I Googled that #60 Tristan Scherwey on the Swiss after their game against Finland, he was heads and shoulders the best player on both teams. He’s got the only goal so far, Swiss up on Canada 1-0.


So we should give him a 1 year NHL contract to play in the swiss league next year? icon_cool



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 11:50

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 11:49

I Googled that #60 Tristan Scherwey on the Swiss after their game against Finland, he was heads and shoulders the best player on both teams. He’s got the only goal so far, Swiss up on Canada 1-0.


So we should give him a 1 year NHL contract to play in the swiss league next year? icon_cool


Hahah, he passes the 1 game test! Sign him up!



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 12:10

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 11:50

WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 11:49

I Googled that #60 Tristan Scherwey on the Swiss after their game against Finland, he was heads and shoulders the best player on both teams. He’s got the only goal so far, Swiss up on Canada 1-0.


So we should give him a 1 year NHL contract to play in the swiss league next year? icon_cool


Hahah, he passes the 1 game test! Sign him up!


Time to toss a 2.5M deal at Genoni too!



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Imagine my surprise to be down 1-0 with 15 left in the 2nd after finishing watching the FA Cup. Another goaltending fiasco? Either way, not scoring against the Swiss after 25 minutes isn't so good either! End my sports morning well Canada!


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MJ wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 12:12

Imagine my surprise to be down 1-0 with 15 left in the 2nd after finishing watching the FA Cup. Another goaltending fiasco? Either way, not scoring against the Swiss after 25 minutes isn't so good either! End my sports morning well Canada!


I think the goalie has saved Canada's butt in this one. Lots of Swiss players getting wide open chances in this game. If we got the usual goaltending of this tourney, could be down 3-0 by now.



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Well, that sucked. Goaltending mediocre, which was actually an upgrade. Just outworked in general. The Nurse/Murray D pair was a nightmare, through most of the tourney actually.

SOmehow Eberle ended up the 13th forward with 4 mins of ice time tonight. Peters really over-complicating stuff all tournament. He really does seem like a TMac clone.

Gonna be damn hard to beat USA now. Probably used up the best goaltending we will get in this game today.



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Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 14:22

Well, that sucked. Goaltending mediocre, which was actually an upgrade. Just outworked in general. The Nurse/Murray D pair was a nightmare, through most of the tourney actually.

SOmehow Eberle ended up the 13th forward with 4 mins of ice time tonight. Peters really over-complicating stuff all tournament. He really does seem like a TMac clone.

Gonna be damn hard to beat USA now. Probably used up the best goaltending we will get in this game today.


I heard that he pulled McDavid off the ice with 1 minute to go and the team trailing by one?!?

Sounds like Nurse had a really tough tournament. For the record, I’d still rather trade Nurse before Klefbom. I think Oscar still has the higher ceiling and I think some GM would badly overpay for Nurse. (Of course, that could be the GM we have, so we may be screwed there.).



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Adam wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 16:29

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 14:22

Well, that sucked. Goaltending mediocre, which was actually an upgrade. Just outworked in general. The Nurse/Murray D pair was a nightmare, through most of the tourney actually.

SOmehow Eberle ended up the 13th forward with 4 mins of ice time tonight. Peters really over-complicating stuff all tournament. He really does seem like a TMac clone.

Gonna be damn hard to beat USA now. Probably used up the best goaltending we will get in this game today.


I heard that he pulled McDavid off the ice with 1 minute to go and the team trailing by one?!?

Sounds like Nurse had a really tough tournament. For the record, I’d still rather trade Nurse before Klefbom. I think Oscar still has the higher ceiling and I think some GM would badly overpay for Nurse. (Of course, that could be the GM we have, so we may be screwed there.).


I think the Nurse love in this org is right down into the bones. Really can't see us trading him. Just hope they don't go nuts with his next contract.

I think McDavid was out for a good 1:30 to get the 3-2 goal with a minute left, so I can give Peters a pass there. I didn't catch the 3rd though, not sure if he had a time out.

I did see that the 3rd period shots were 18-1 for Canada lol. Unfortunately, goal scoring was 1-1 in the 3rd.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 15:29

Kr55 wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 14:22

Well, that sucked. Goaltending mediocre, which was actually an upgrade. Just outworked in general. The Nurse/Murray D pair was a nightmare, through most of the tourney actually.

SOmehow Eberle ended up the 13th forward with 4 mins of ice time tonight. Peters really over-complicating stuff all tournament. He really does seem like a TMac clone.

Gonna be damn hard to beat USA now. Probably used up the best goaltending we will get in this game today.


I heard that he pulled McDavid off the ice with 1 minute to go and the team trailing by one?!?

Sounds like Nurse had a really tough tournament. For the record, I’d still rather trade Nurse before Klefbom. I think Oscar still has the higher ceiling and I think some GM would badly overpay for Nurse. (Of course, that could be the GM we have, so we may be screwed there.).


Nurse wasn't that bad, his partner was Murray, and he had pretty a bad tourney, Nurse was caught pinching a few times early in the prelims, I'll chalk up to not used to the big ice, IMO he's still got better upside than Klefbom, and had a better year than OKlef last year, I think too much is being made of Klefbom's shoulder being the reason for his bad season, a lot of his problems last year were just gaffs, slow reads, and mediocre speed. Nurse is much faster than Klefbom, Nurse just needs to learn how to channel his superior skill set.



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Adam wrote on Sat, 19 May 2018 16:29

For the record, I’d still rather trade Nurse before Klefbom.


I’m in the same parking lot as you on this Adam. Nurse, to me, would have more value League wide than Klefbom and if Nurse is packaged with say the 10th come draft day we could likely get a high profile forward, or top pair dman in return.

However, Im fairly certain Chia would deal Klefbom before Nurse. I’m not advocating for the trading of either of these two dmen. Having them both is better than having one or neither. Though, one could argue that their career projection is near identical as a 2-4 dman.

If a dman is traded, though his value may not be too high and he would have to give his blessing as he has a NMC, Sekera would be ideal. Starting 2018/19 with a top 6 of;
Larsson - Klefbom
_____ - Nurse
Russell - Benning/other

Looks pretty good to me. Let’s be honest, Larsson and Klefbom showed real well they CAN be a top pair in 2016/17. Larsson, understandably, had an off year this past season and Klefbom unfortunately was dealing with injury (yet again).

It’s a mighty big ask... but if Chia can find a shutdown dman to pair with Nurse, the Oilers D could be good enough to get us back to the playoffs. (Not to mention goaltending needs to be more consistent and we need SOME type of consistent secondary scoring.)



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What a waste of a great line up .. minus an NHL goalie.



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Welp. Hopefully this at least a solid indication of the coaching the flames will be getting next season.


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How did Peters manage to get no depth scoring from this team?

McDavid with 17 points, next guy has 9. He gets one of the best lines last season in Barzal, Ebs and Beauvillier and he splits them up, Ebs ends up a 13th forward by the elimination games.

Mess of a tournament for Canada.



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Barzal without a goal the whole time. You think they'd take Strome for him?


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Based on what I heard from Rishaugh reporting, I believe Nurse was playing a lot on the right side. Why they would do that, I have no clue. Their goaltending sucked and just like the Oilers, it doesn't matter who is on your team. If you don't have goaltending, you won't win. Doesn't sound like Peters did a great job coaching. Sure glad he's in Calgary.


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Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


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Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


I kinda called the Oilers out, saying Larsson is more than just a stayhome guy, but in the Oilers games he saw that's all we did with him.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/worlds-larsson-encouraged-to -activate-offensively/c-298707746

Quiote from Larsson

"I'm watching them a lot - you can't help but watch them, they're so good - but especially with their offensive game," the 25-year-old said. "I want to see if there's anything they do that I can add to my game and help me become more active on the offensive side of the puck too. I don't play very offensive in Edmonton, but here the coaches encourage me to do a little bit more and be more involved with the offense and not just a shutdown guy. I used to play that way - more offensive. Why not do it again?"


Suggests McLellan has been giving him the order to be very conservative, which is really the opposite of what many teams in the NHL are doing now.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 09:09

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 08:48

Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


I kinda called the Oilers out, saying Larsson is more than just a stayhome guy, but in the Oilers games he saw that's all we did with him.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/worlds-larsson-encouraged-to -activate-offensively/c-298707746

Quiote from Larsson

"I'm watching them a lot - you can't help but watch them, they're so good - but especially with their offensive game," the 25-year-old said. "I want to see if there's anything they do that I can add to my game and help me become more active on the offensive side of the puck too. I don't play very offensive in Edmonton, but here the coaches encourage me to do a little bit more and be more involved with the offense and not just a shutdown guy. I used to play that way - more offensive. Why not do it again?"


Suggests McLellan has been giving him the order to be very conservative, which is really the opposite of what many teams in the NHL are doing now.


Since Year 1 of McLellan, I've believed that most of what he preaches is take no risks...unless you're the top line, your job is to not get scored on first and foremost. If you take risks and make mistakes, you will get buried for it. He'll discuss your error in the media that night - probably not mentioning you by name, but describing the minutiae of the play in a level of detail that makes it crystal clear he's criticizing you - then he'll go all disappointed dad on you in the dressing room and at the next couple practices.

I thought when Hall/Draisaitl took a step back after McDavid returned from injury that it looked like they had different marching orders. They'd become the second line, so they weren't allowed to take the same risks. You doubt what you're seeing of course - you think, no coach who basically has two first lines would tell the second line to button it up...not when they'll be playing against weaker opponents...but then you watch some more and you see it sure looks to be true.

This year, McLellan added one other element that increased the risk level for the team. He decided we're a team that scores on the rush, and so he gave the green light for the defense to gamble like mad to join the rush if we have the puck advancing through the neutral zone. It was a big adjustment to the risk profile and one that we executed really poorly generally. Even there though, after the team gained the zone, if we didn't score immediately, there was a shift back to a very conservative style.

I don't think there's much creativity in the systems the team has employed, and there's just no tolerance for risk outside the first line. You've got other teams in the league who simply try to win by outscoring with every line, and then you have the Oilers who try to outscore with Line 1, and protect with lines 2-4. It's a major, major flaw.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 10:19

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 09:09

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 08:48

Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


I kinda called the Oilers out, saying Larsson is more than just a stayhome guy, but in the Oilers games he saw that's all we did with him.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/worlds-larsson-encouraged-to -activate-offensively/c-298707746

Quiote from Larsson

"I'm watching them a lot - you can't help but watch them, they're so good - but especially with their offensive game," the 25-year-old said. "I want to see if there's anything they do that I can add to my game and help me become more active on the offensive side of the puck too. I don't play very offensive in Edmonton, but here the coaches encourage me to do a little bit more and be more involved with the offense and not just a shutdown guy. I used to play that way - more offensive. Why not do it again?"


Suggests McLellan has been giving him the order to be very conservative, which is really the opposite of what many teams in the NHL are doing now.


Since Year 1 of McLellan, I've believed that most of what he preaches is take no risks...unless you're the top line, your job is to not get scored on first and foremost. If you take risks and make mistakes, you will get buried for it. He'll discuss your error in the media that night - probably not mentioning you by name, but describing the minutiae of the play in a level of detail that makes it crystal clear he's criticizing you - then he'll go all disappointed dad on you in the dressing room and at the next couple practices.

I thought when Hall/Draisaitl took a step back after McDavid returned from injury that it looked like they had different marching orders. They'd become the second line, so they weren't allowed to take the same risks. You doubt what you're seeing of course - you think, no coach who basically has two first lines would tell the second line to button it up...not when they'll be playing against weaker opponents...but then you watch some more and you see it sure looks to be true.

This year, McLellan added one other element that increased the risk level for the team. He decided we're a team that scores on the rush, and so he gave the green light for the defense to gamble like mad to join the rush if we have the puck advancing through the neutral zone. It was a big adjustment to the risk profile and one that we executed really poorly generally. Even there though, after the team gained the zone, if we didn't score immediately, there was a shift back to a very conservative style.

I don't think there's much creativity in the systems the team has employed, and there's just no tolerance for risk outside the first line. You've got other teams in the league who simply try to win by outscoring with every line, and then you have the Oilers who try to outscore with Line 1, and protect with lines 2-4. It's a major, major flaw.


And even line 1 has to start playing scared if you have a lead, especially late in games.


Now I wonder, is it possible for this kind of mentality from the coaches to be changed just by changing the assistant coaches? Is there going to be some orders from management to change the style and approach? Murray with the Ducks said he wants Carlyle opening things up more, but I wonder if you can really make a coach change what he believes is the best path to winning.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 09:09

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 08:48

Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


I kinda called the Oilers out, saying Larsson is more than just a stayhome guy, but in the Oilers games he saw that's all we did with him.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/worlds-larsson-encouraged-to -activate-offensively/c-298707746

Quiote from Larsson

"I'm watching them a lot - you can't help but watch them, they're so good - but especially with their offensive game," the 25-year-old said. "I want to see if there's anything they do that I can add to my game and help me become more active on the offensive side of the puck too. I don't play very offensive in Edmonton, but here the coaches encourage me to do a little bit more and be more involved with the offense and not just a shutdown guy. I used to play that way - more offensive. Why not do it again?"


Suggests McLellan has been giving him the order to be very conservative, which is really the opposite of what many teams in the NHL are doing now.


I agree that TM holds a lot of people back but lets not pretend Larsson was all of a sudden Karlsson in this tourney. He had 3 points in 10 games;

https://oilersnation.com/2018/05/21/edmonton-oilers-stats-fr om-the-world-hockey-championships/

I watched him play a couple times and he played VERY good but it isn't like he was carrying the puck up ice a lot or jumping into the play. I will say I thought his first pass looked very good which would be a huge help to the Oilers.
IMO the bigger ice and the lack of "chip it off the glass" breakout plan was the biggest difference for him and puck movement.



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PlusOne wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 11:16

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 09:09

NZ Oiler Fan wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 08:48

Swedish coach mentioned how much of a stud Larsson was for them. Led the team in minutes played, and was so close to being the hero after he rang that shot off the post with 2.6s on the clock. Heck of a gold medal game.


I kinda called the Oilers out, saying Larsson is more than just a stayhome guy, but in the Oilers games he saw that's all we did with him.

https://www.nhl.com/oilers/news/worlds-larsson-encouraged-to -activate-offensively/c-298707746

Quiote from Larsson

"I'm watching them a lot - you can't help but watch them, they're so good - but especially with their offensive game," the 25-year-old said. "I want to see if there's anything they do that I can add to my game and help me become more active on the offensive side of the puck too. I don't play very offensive in Edmonton, but here the coaches encourage me to do a little bit more and be more involved with the offense and not just a shutdown guy. I used to play that way - more offensive. Why not do it again?"


Suggests McLellan has been giving him the order to be very conservative, which is really the opposite of what many teams in the NHL are doing now.


I agree that TM holds a lot of people back but lets not pretend Larsson was all of a sudden Karlsson in this tourney. He had 3 points in 10 games;

https://oilersnation.com/2018/05/21/edmonton-oilers-stats-fr om-the-world-hockey-championships/

I watched him play a couple times and he played VERY good but it isn't like he was carrying the puck up ice a lot or jumping into the play. I will say I thought his first pass looked very good which would be a huge help to the Oilers.
IMO the bigger ice and the lack of "chip it off the glass" breakout plan was the biggest difference for him and puck movement.



Off the glass. Around the boards to the stationary winger that as the year went on would have an opposing player just jump around him to intercept the ring around without our winger reacting, lol.

I really hope there is a way next season for this team to look more useful and coordinated in their own end.

Maybe it's not possible. The rink size difference is certainly a legit thing to consider comparing play between this tournament and in the NHL games.



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Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 15:24

Off the glass. Around the boards to the stationary winger that as the year went on would have an opposing player just jump around him to intercept the ring around without our winger reacting, lol.


This team has been employing this stupid breakout as long as I can remember. Certainly at least as far back as Staios and Cross - that was their one and only move to get out of the zone.



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Mike wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 12:38

Kr55 wrote on Tue, 22 May 2018 15:24

Off the glass. Around the boards to the stationary winger that as the year went on would have an opposing player just jump around him to intercept the ring around without our winger reacting, lol.


This team has been employing this stupid breakout as long as I can remember. Certainly at least as far back as Staios and Cross - that was their one and only move to get out of the zone.


Is that something like the deflect out from the boards toward the middle (between the defensive blue line and center) that was intercepted and turned over about 100 times this year?



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