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 Dr. Oil
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No excuses. The same thing they've been doing with power plays for at least three years killed them. And it starts with Hemsky.
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K.McC#24
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| Dr. Oil wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 19:30 |
No excuses. The same thing they've been doing with power plays for at least three years killed them. And it starts with Hemsky.
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Hemsky's part in the 5 minute major speaks volumes and pretty much tells the Ales Hemsky story.
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Oilfanforever!!
Messages: 349
Registered: July 2006
Location: Calgary
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Can't we trade for someone of equal value for Hemmer that at least plays with a heart!?
I really really hope he's injured more then he's telling - otherwise the closest thing we have to a heart and soul player is slowly breaking this Oilfan's heart - and others as well i'm sure 
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Cementhead27
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Registered: March 2009
Location: Ottawa, ON
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I'm glad I'm not the only person to feel this way about 83. The other guys on the ice just don't know what he's going to do so its like a paralysis washes over the PP unit when he's got the puck. Contrast that with the way they zipped the puch around in Colorado without 83 in the mix. Also, I'm tired of those "juke" moves before the blue line that cause all those unnecessary offsides.
If this carries on, I think the GM has to explore a trade.
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Oiler76
Messages: 159
Registered: August 2006
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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| Dr. Oil wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 18:30 |
No excuses. The same thing they've been doing with power plays for at least three years killed them. And it starts with Hemsky.
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I agree, seems like he is happy just spinning around on the PP.
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Dr. Oil
Messages: 1254
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Location: BC
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| Oiler76 wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 18:32 |
| Dr. Oil wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 18:30 |
No excuses. The same thing they've been doing with power plays for at least three years killed them. And it starts with Hemsky.
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I agree, seems like he is happy just spinning around on the PP.
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The worst part is, when he feeds the left point man, whoever that guy is (Sully or Grebs) almost feels obligated to give it back to him for more circling. It's so predictable. All night, every set up for a one-timer at the point was ill-timed, or ill-placed.
5 minute PP in the last 6 minutes is a dream for most teams, but the Oilers just aren't that team. Comrie is softer than anyone on the team. Gagner is the only smurf who wins some puck battles.
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Oilfanforever!!
Messages: 349
Registered: July 2006
Location: Calgary
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and scoring on a 5-on-3 is a sure goal for every other team in the league except us!!!
yeesh!!
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"I think it goes without saying that there is a lot of pressure on me," McDavid
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rye79
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Registered: January 2009
Location: Edmonton/Beaumont
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All night, every set up for a one-timer at the point was ill-timed, or ill-placed.
5 minute PP in the last 6 minutes is a dream for most teams, but the Oilers just aren't that team.
....Except the beauty goal by Sully.........The Oil are sixth in the league on the PP.
I think that was a well played road game where a great goaltending performance decided who was going to win.....period.
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Whoa nellie, this is starting to sound the esksfans board when everyone and there dog turned on Ricky ray earlier this year.
Is Hemksy frustrating at times? Yeah, he's still the most talented player on the team and has been sick. How about we hope that the 2nd, 3rd 4th lines pick it up a notch in the scoring dept. If Penner and Hemsky don't bag a ton of points we don't win. Guys like Comrie, O'Sullivan, Cogs, Gagner are supposed to provide scoring to off set being smurfs, they just aren't doing it enough.
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Oiler76
Messages: 159
Registered: August 2006
Location: Coquitlam, BC
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What a crappy game. And on TSN no less, seems like we are cursed everytime we are on Toronto Sport Network.
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Oilfanforever!!
Messages: 349
Registered: July 2006
Location: Calgary
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I gotta think Hemmer is more injured them he's letting on - otherwise he's just never going to reach that next level!!
If you can't find motivation from one of your own players almost getting carried off on a stretcher then lay an egg on a 5 min PP - you deserve to lose!!
2 games in 2 nights? I don't care - bag skate time for this team!! Worked wonders for Sutter's Team Alberta a few weeks back!! Look where they are now!! 
"McDavid is as good as I’ve seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the league in the last 30 years." Gretzky
"I think it goes without saying that there is a lot of pressure on me," McDavid
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K.McC#24
Messages: 5373
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This game was there for the hockey team, unfortunately there were some golden opportunities that weren't capitalized on.
Penner, Strudwick, Smid stood out to me as having good games.
Cogs line had a decent night energy wise. Might have been one of Moreau's better games until he took that holding the stick penalty in the offensive zone.
Comrie, Hemsky were weak. Hemsky was pathetic on that 5 minute major. One shot on the whole PP, no urgency. Brutal.
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Oilfanforever!!
Messages: 349
Registered: July 2006
Location: Calgary
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Since I never really expected to win this game and we ended up in it til the end says something I guess!! Doesn't feel too good to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory though with that poor finish!!
Earn a split between ATL and CLB and we go 2-2-1 on the road trip and stay with the pack in the Conference...not too bad really!!
Not sexy but can we expect more then .500 with this club really?!
"McDavid is as good as I’ve seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the league in the last 30 years." Gretzky
"I think it goes without saying that there is a lot of pressure on me," McDavid
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| Oilfanforever!! wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 19:46 |
Since I never really expected to win this game and we ended up in it til the end says something I guess!! Doesn't feel too good to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory though with that poor finish!!
Earn a split between ATL and CLB and we go 2-2-1 on the road trip and stay with the pack in the Conference...not too bad really!!
Not sexy but can we expect more then .500 with this club really?!
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Sadly I agree that .500 might be here to stay. With our minimal personnel changes we just didn't get any better than last year and it shows in the standings.
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Adam
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Location: Edmonton, AB
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| K.McC#24 wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 19:37 |
This game was there for the hockey team, unfortunately there were some golden opportunities that weren't capitalized on.
Penner, Strudwick, Smid stood out to me as having good games.
Cogs line had a decent night energy wise. Might have been one of Moreau's better games until he took that holding the stick penalty in the offensive zone.
Comrie, Hemsky were weak. Hemsky was pathetic on that 5 minute major. One shot on the whole PP, no urgency. Brutal.
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I thought that at least Gilbert's playing better. It seems after his goal the other night that it's finally in his head that he can let it go from the point occasionally, and it doesn't need to be a howitzer.
It's nice to see the Oilers outshoot an opponent...especially two nights in a row. We had to wait an awfully long time to see that again this season, and I just don't think it's feasible to think that you can get outshot every game and hope to have a decent record.
I'm going to give Moreau the pass on that holding the stick call...that's a tough penalty, because he's fighting off the hook and driving with the puck. Yeah, he did the deed, but that's a call that they often let you get away with when you're driving through a hook. Especially a hook from a 6'8 monster of a defenceman.
Still the same problems on the PP...no mobility. They pass the puck around, but the players all seem rooted in their spot. That makes it pretty easy to cover the passing lane. Despite all the times you hear the commentators lauding the "walk the line" strategy a lot of the good defencemen in the league use to spread out the defenders and get a better angle, the Oilers prefer to stay where they are and play catch.
Also good games out of Staios and Pisani. Staios was extremely unlucky on the second goal. He did a hell of a job blocking the first two pucks, only to have it bounce right to Montador for the blast. As for Pisani, I'm appreciating having him back on the PK unit. No one on the team seems to break up more passes than he does. He hasn't added a lot offence-wise yet...extremely little, to be honest. But defensively, he's been really strong.
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rukm01
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Registered: December 2004
Location: Edmonton
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- Pleasantly surprised to still be seeing Penner doing what he should.
- O'Sullivan can be maddening.
- I hope Reddox is okay.
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Pedro996
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Registered: March 2009
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The passing on the oilers is so slow, especially on the power play. If hemsky is going to be a play maker he has to have hard crisp passes, not passes that are so slow that the defense has time to set up for the possible shot. maybe thats why they never shoot because the shooter never has a clear shot. SOFT
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K.McC#24
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The CHED crew is talking about respect and how MacArthur is going to get suspended, etc. Yes he should get suspended because it was a careless play with no consideration for the player it was against.
It was a dirty play, and just hits home to me how much of a pass Iginla got on his play on Souray. I'm still choked over that one. The 2 plays aren't directly comparable but Iginla got off with nothing because he's Iginla. Iginla had several seconds to follow Souray into the boards.....MacArthur's play happened very quickly. When the NHL makes an example of MacArthur, it'll just prove that the NHL is all about double standards.
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E-townchamps
Messages: 375
Registered: December 2003
Location: St. OILbert, AB
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woohoo! 5 points for me!
...and we didn't get shutout! nice!
p.s we're an awful team
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g2k
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| E-townchamps wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 19:53 |
woohoo! 5 points for me!
...and we didn't get shutout! nice!
p.s we're an awful team
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Sorry if the majority here do not share your glee.
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E-townchamps
Messages: 375
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| gretzky2kurri wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 20:05 |
| E-townchamps wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 19:53 |
woohoo! 5 points for me!
...and we didn't get shutout! nice!
p.s we're an awful team
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Sorry if the majority here do not share your glee.
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it's all I've got after that sad PP performance put on by the Oil 
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oilersfan2
Messages: 161
Registered: May 2002
Location: Calgary, Alberta
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Wow, what an effort. During the 5 minute power play, I thought the Oilers would have a little bit of ergency in thier game....but they didn't seem to care at all. When O'sullivan is on the point and the puck gets sent down the ice, he coasts the whole way back to the puck....pretty much sums up the effort....this team just never seems to change 
Shoot the puck!!
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Ubigo
Messages: 209
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Location: Regina
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Weak night by:
The Almighty Captain
POS in the 3rd.
Hemsky
Comrie
Gilbert
Good night from:
Visnovsky
Studs
Smid
Penner
Khabbi
Brule
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Oilfanforever!!
Messages: 349
Registered: July 2006
Location: Calgary
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As a parent - this team is like telling my kids repeatedly to not use markers on the wall or eat glue over and over and over again!!
Shoot the puck!!!
Shoot the puck!!!
SHOOT THE &^%$ PUCK!!!
When will this team get it thru their collective heads!!?
After falling victim to SO many errant point shots that just somehow went it already this year - you'd think someone - even just one player on this team would have that lightbulb come on!!
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"McDavid is as good as I’ve seen in the last 30 years, the best player to come into the league in the last 30 years." Gretzky
"I think it goes without saying that there is a lot of pressure on me," McDavid
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pizzaman
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Registered: October 2009
Location: Ontario Canada
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I was at the game.HEMSKY SHOOT THE PUCK PLEASE! 
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Mav (SabresFans)
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Location: Westchester NY
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Just stopped by after 2 or 3 years to say I hope that Reddux will be fine. I didn't see the game nor the hit (poker game), but let the Sabre get punished stiffly if it was dirty.
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Superintendent
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Tonight was a lost opportunity botching that many PP minutes.
IMO, if Souray is in the lineup we win this one...He is the shoot-first (and damn what a shot) that his powerplay needed tonight.
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MacKnife
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Location: Edmonton
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Sully was two posts away from making this a different board tonight. Too bad we couldn't capitalize on the 42 minutes of power play time.
Thank goodness for a few days off.
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richksaun
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Im sorry but NO NO NO Souray was not the answer we were looking for on the Powerplay tonight. Yeah he would have shot the puck but 99 percent of those shots would have missed the net by 10 feet that is not good enough, the other 1 percent would have hit someone with no luck bounces to anyone in front of the net. What hurt this team tonight was Hemsky being typical Hemsky, skating around with the puck not make the smart play. No body on this team made the smart move on any of the powerplays.
We need a couple smart playmakers that will make those smart PP passes. Not someone that keeps going for the same pass over and over and over again. If Hemsky doesnt have that pass to Souray he just does around and around with the puck and doesnt know what to do with the puck. I have defended Hemsky way to many times over the last couple of years, but this year he has just got on my nerves on to many times. Could he have been playing hurt tonight yes, but if this team is to make the playoffs the "Superstar" of this team needs to play hurt needs to fight though that pain, or what is he going to do in the playoffs if he is playing hurt he will be a major liability.
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Superintendent
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| richksaun wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 22:46 |
Im sorry but NO NO NO Souray was not the answer we were looking for on the Powerplay tonight. Yeah he would have shot the puck but 99 percent of those shots would have missed the net by 10 feet that is not good enough, the other 1 percent would have hit someone with no luck bounces to anyone in front of the net. What hurt this team tonight was Hemsky being typical Hemsky, skating around with the puck not make the smart play. No body on this team made the smart move on any of the powerplays.
We need a couple smart playmakers that will make those smart PP passes. Not someone that keeps going for the same pass over and over and over again. If Hemsky doesnt have that pass to Souray he just does around and around with the puck and doesnt know what to do with the puck. I have defended Hemsky way to many times over the last couple of years, but this year he has just got on my nerves on to many times. Could he have been playing hurt tonight yes, but if this team is to make the playoffs the "Superstar" of this team needs to play hurt needs to fight though that pain, or what is he going to do in the playoffs if he is playing hurt he will be a major liability.
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Don't drag Souray into your Hemsky discussion. The guy accounted for 12 of our PP goals last year (out of a total of 60). He helps our power play no questions asked.
At 12 PP goals last year, and using your apparent fact that 99% of his shots miss the net, Souray needed to take 1200 shots last year, exclusively on the PP no less. With 182 PP opportunities for the Oil in 08/09, Souray evidently took 6.6 shots for every powerplay we had....wow...impressive!
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JD
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I don't know if this has been going on for a few years, and I've just failed to notice, but dear Lord, is it just me or is this team attempting an awful lot of blind passes this year? And most don't seem to work. It seems almost every game there's a couple, or more, times where there's a blind pass that goes nowhere, or gets turned over to the other team, and I start uttering swear words under my breath.
I'm over Hemsky. I truly do not believe he will ever be the player we were told, that we thought he would one day be.
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| JD wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 23:14 |
I don't know if this has been going on for a few years, and I've just failed to notice, but dear Lord, is it just me or is this team attempting an awful lot of blind passes this year? And most don't seem to work. It seems almost every game there's a couple, or more, times where there's a blind pass that goes nowhere, or gets turned over to the other team, and I start uttering swear words under my breath.
I'm over Hemsky. I truly do not believe he will ever be the player we were told, that we thought he would one day be.
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Agreed...Hemsky just doesn't have the hockey smarts to get to the next level. He will never score 90 points in this league I predict. The Oilers breakout looked like the usual turn over machine. Crisp passing is a big problem for this team and other teams have identified and exploited it.
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richksaun
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| Superintendent wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 23:03 |
| richksaun wrote on Wed, 11 November 2009 22:46 |
Im sorry but NO NO NO Souray was not the answer we were looking for on the Powerplay tonight. Yeah he would have shot the puck but 99 percent of those shots would have missed the net by 10 feet that is not good enough, the other 1 percent would have hit someone with no luck bounces to anyone in front of the net. What hurt this team tonight was Hemsky being typical Hemsky, skating around with the puck not make the smart play. No body on this team made the smart move on any of the powerplays.
We need a couple smart playmakers that will make those smart PP passes. Not someone that keeps going for the same pass over and over and over again. If Hemsky doesnt have that pass to Souray he just does around and around with the puck and doesnt know what to do with the puck. I have defended Hemsky way to many times over the last couple of years, but this year he has just got on my nerves on to many times. Could he have been playing hurt tonight yes, but if this team is to make the playoffs the "Superstar" of this team needs to play hurt needs to fight though that pain, or what is he going to do in the playoffs if he is playing hurt he will be a major liability.
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Don't drag Souray into your Hemsky discussion. The guy accounted for 12 of our PP goals last year (out of a total of 60). He helps our power play no questions asked.
At 12 PP goals last year, and using your apparent fact that 99% of his shots miss the net, Souray needed to take 1200 shots last year, exclusively on the PP no less. With 182 PP opportunities for the Oil in 08/09, Souray evidently took 6.6 shots for every powerplay we had....wow...impressive!
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I dragged Souray into this cause you said If he was in the line up we would have won cause he is the shoot first type of player that we needed. Which I do agree with you on. He does miss majority of his shots. maybe not 99 percent as I did say. I would not be surprised if he does take close to 500 shots a year that do not hit the net. Does he help our PP yes would he have helped tonight? maybe, would we have won? maybe. And 6.6 shots per powerplay isn't that far off actually.
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Rocksteady
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Hemsky is the closest thing this team has as its star. The closest. We've seen some magic from him, we've saw some stellar gameplay, and we see some of the games where he thinks at another level.
Our problem is sometimes. Never most of the time.
He's the best we have. It's sad.
Our PP was maddening to watch, what happened since a couple days ago? Shoot the puck, he it dirty and keep your sticks close to the ground. We need to get tighter on the PP, less passes, and more shots. Whoa, broken record or what..
Buffalo sure was playing dirty the whole night, never seen so much oilers sticks blowing up just after a buffalo check, or sticks just fall out of the oilers hands after a slash or two.
I don't know what's Comrie's problem, he must seem to be still feeling the flu, just not the same player yet..
The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
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McDavid97
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I would say with Penner's year he is a lot closer to a star then Hemsky. Penner has actually carried this team through games.
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Rocksteady
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| hemskyfan99 wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 10:10 |
I would say with Penner's year he is a lot closer to a star then Hemsky. Penner has actually carried this team through games.
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Agreed, however I'd like to see more than one year of this... or at least I would hope to.
The very definition of insanity is doing the exact same thing expecting different results.
Generally Disappointed.
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WhoreableGuy
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I think we should stop looking for "that player to play with Hemsky" and maybe look to find someone that can play with Penner.
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Patorious
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| WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 11:14 |
I think we should stop looking for "that player to play with Hemsky" and maybe look to find someone that can play with Penner.
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Hahaha 15 good Penner games... We call flames fans bandwagoners, this is insane how everyone hated him last couple years, until now! Hemmer is the new problem. This is sad. We need a full NHL team to compete.
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g2k
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| Patorious wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 12:11 |
| WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 12 November 2009 11:14 |
I think we should stop looking for "that player to play with Hemsky" and maybe look to find someone that can play with Penner.
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Hahaha 15 good Penner games... We call flames fans bandwagoners, this is insane how everyone hated him last couple years, until now! Hemmer is the new problem. This is sad. We need a full NHL team to compete.
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Indeed. 15 good games from Penner.
Sure it's early still. But have we ever seen Hemsky string 15 good games together? 10? Even 5?
That's a bit of a "problem". No?
EDIT: And there's a reason the fans here hated Penner for 2 seasons. He flat out sucked. Think what you want. But it was nothing more than that.
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