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Edmonton @ Pittsburgh (Game #13) [message #444207] |
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 AHF
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Registered: July 2003
Location: Edmonton
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Fine be damned, MacT better tee-off on the refs following this one. What a putrid display of officiating.
Valiant comeback, but this one still hurts.
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HamBlaster
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I was watching the replays, and Malkin made Gags look like a donkey on Sykora's first goal. God, that was like watching an 18 year old school his 3 year old cousin.
Honestly, if you haven't seen that highlight yet... OUCH... Malkin's already past him, has passed the puck to Sykora, who has subsequently scored... and Gagner still looks like he's flailing around trying to win the faceoff.
And... brutally... we're reminded how good the truly elite players are...
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dfavel99
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Registered: September 2007
Location: Saskatchewan
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Heres to making a game out of nothing 
Oil Fan Since The Days Of The Great One!
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Ubigo
Messages: 213
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Location: Regina
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Everyone played awful the first 38:32. The third period was sweet props for a decent comeback attempt. I still believe macT should be gone. Those first two periods were amazingly awful to watch. Macintyre was the only good one out there the first 38 minutes.
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huynh
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Location: Calgary
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- The last few games showed that our team has talent, can score and should win a lot of games... But I have to say again that it's the coaching that's holding it back...
- JDD played good. Since he's the future, let him play more to prove himself.
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nullterm
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Location: Port Moody, BC
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| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 18:40 |
- The last few games showed that our team has talent, can score and should win a lot of games... But I have to say again that it's the coaching that's holding it back...
- JDD played good. Since he's the future, let him play more to prove himself.
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Coaching - I'm annoyed seeing Gagner given all these chances when he's not done anything to deserve it this season. I'd have rather seen Nilsson, Cogliano, Cole out there on that final draw with the extra attacker. I think that's my only tangible beef with the coaches. Not Gagner's fault, I know he wants to play better.
JDD - Give him more games! At the very least, start him next game. The kid was giving the team a chance to comeback. I'm starting to think less & less that Garon is the future. I wouldn't be surprised if next season we have JDD as #1, with Roli on a 1 year contract as backup and mentor. Right now I'd be pissed if Garon ended up with a big money contract.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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g2k
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Location: The Hood
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| nullterm wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:44 |
| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 18:40 |
- The last few games showed that our team has talent, can score and should win a lot of games... But I have to say again that it's the coaching that's holding it back...
- JDD played good. Since he's the future, let him play more to prove himself.
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JDD - Give him more games! At the very least, start him next game. The kid was giving the team a chance to comeback. I'm starting to think less & less that Garon is the future. I wouldn't be surprised if next season we have JDD, with Roli on a 1 year contract as backup and mentor.
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I see no reason not to start JDD. Start Dubnyk for all I care. Anyone that can at least stay on their feet for "some" shots.
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Officiating was a joke. This is 2 games in a row when a ref beside me is scratching his head going "what????". Bizarre.
Sure would be nice to have Horcoff back in the lineup.
In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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g2k
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| nik- wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:45 |
Officiating was a joke. This is 2 games in a row when a ref beside me is scratching his head going "what????". Bizarre.
Sure would be nice to have Horcoff back in the lineup.
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Sure looking like the 06/07 version in 08/09.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam
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oilerdynasty
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Location: Edmonton
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| nik- wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:45 |
Officiating was a joke. This is 2 games in a row when a ref beside me is scratching his head going "what????". Bizarre.
Sure would be nice to have Horcoff back in the lineup.
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I had some high hopes Moreau would get the knee out on him in the second, seems like the team plays better when he's injured.
"Is your team any good?"
"No. In fact, we're so bad that we're disbanding." - Paul Newman as Reggie Dunlop in Slapshot
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g2k
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Location: The Hood
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Someone needs to shove a boot up Hemskys ass.
I'm sick of his act.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam
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NCREDiBLE
Messages: 428
Registered: February 2007
Location: Cold Lake, AB
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Tough game to swallow such a beautiful come back after being raped.
JDD is the future of the Oilers for goal.
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huynh
Messages: 556
Registered: September 2002
Location: Calgary
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SOG:
Oil: 30
Pens: 34
Faceoffs: (Sounds like the Philly game)
Oil: 21
Pens: 39
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Carpet83
Messages: 41
Registered: November 2005
Location: Thunder Bay
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| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 21:41 |
SOG:
Oil: 30
Pens: 34
Faceoffs: (Sounds like the Philly game)
Oil: 21
Pens: 39
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Anyone missing Stoll yet?
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Treads
Messages: 144
Registered: January 2006
Location: Calgary (which sucks)
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| Carpet83 wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:50 |
| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 21:41 |
SOG:
Oil: 30
Pens: 34
Faceoffs: (Sounds like the Philly game)
Oil: 21
Pens: 39
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Anyone missing Stoll yet?
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We need someone to have a dominating performance and win a game all by himself. That isn't Stoll. FO% would be nicer, but we need a gamebreaker.
Faster than Pronger's retreat
More powerful than David Frost's Ego,
Able to leap small d-men in a single bound...
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The Future was solid, but this team needs to play a full game already.
 中 RED DRAGONS 中| rukm01 wrote on Sun, 01 July 2012 21:54 |
Souray is a Duck is one letter away from being totally accurate.
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huynh
Messages: 556
Registered: September 2002
Location: Calgary
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| the flying stortini wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:52 |
The Future was solid, but this team needs to play a full game already.
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Playing a full game... We haven't had much of that the last 7+ seasons MacT has been coach...
Playing a full game involves a good system. We don't have that here.
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| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:54 |
| the flying stortini wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:52 |
The Future was solid, but this team needs to play a full game already.
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Playing a full game... We haven't had much of that the last 7+ seasons MacT has been coach...
Playing a full game involves a good system. We don't have that here.
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Well maybe in a few weeks JDD will have 5 wins and Tippett will be behind the bench....that would be soooo sweet
中 RED DRAGONS 中| rukm01 wrote on Sun, 01 July 2012 21:54 |
Souray is a Duck is one letter away from being totally accurate.
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nullterm
Messages: 5815
Registered: July 2007
Location: Port Moody, BC
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| Carpet83 wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 18:50 |
| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 21:41 |
SOG:
Oil: 30
Pens: 34
Faceoffs: (Sounds like the Philly game)
Oil: 21
Pens: 39
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Anyone missing Stoll yet?
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Yes. I wasn't surprised when the trade happens, but at the same time I wasn't looking forward to it. If only we waited another year for his eggs to finish unscrambling.
Illegitimi non carborundum.
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g2k
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Registered: January 2003
Location: The Hood
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| Carpet83 wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:50 |
| huynh wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 21:41 |
SOG:
Oil: 30
Pens: 34
Faceoffs: (Sounds like the Philly game)
Oil: 21
Pens: 39
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Anyone missing Stoll yet?
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No not quite yet. Although #10 is doing a good impersonation of #16's last season as an Oiler.
#firebob #screwitjustselltheteam
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Longcat
Messages: 498
Registered: June 2002
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Jeckyl and Hyde show tonight.
Too bad 20 minutes of good play doesn't win you many games.
| CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57 |
I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.
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Superintendent
Messages: 1061
Registered: March 2006
Location: City of Champions
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| Longcat wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:54 |
Jeckyl and Hyde show tonight.
Too bad 20 minutes of good play doesn't win you many games.
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Agreed...although it seems like in every game we've put in 40 minutes of good hockey tops and somehow this team is 6-6-1.
We continue to look like a team with a bunch of decent/good players that run around like chickens with their head's cut off for a good amount of time (turnovers often resulting because they have no idea where each other are). I don't know what to expect from this team after this road trip but if they ever get their crap together there might actually be a playoff team here.
Kudos to JDD...outside of that 2nd goal against Calgary he's done everything he can to make a case for sticking around.
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smyth260
Messages: 2657
Registered: November 2007
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Wow. More than I expected. Comeback from 5-0 to 5-4 on the defending Eastern Champs is okay in my books. Would have been nice to get a point, but that's a good sign. Back to back games in 24 hours and we only lose by one goal.
I think Hemsky is realizing he has a good chance at scoring every game. His brain still needs work like it has for the last 5 years. Maybe this is his 30 goal+ year.
Penner needs more effort. See Erik Cole.
Horcoff. See last year edition.
Gagner's last faceoff was impressive. No idea how he did that. Anything to spark him.
Visnovsky wasn't playing his A game tonight.
Garon was bad. Deslauriers is a confident guy. To come in after 2 or 3 weeks and do that is impressive. He doesn't let anything get in the way of his game. He's a keeper and play him next game.
All in all, a 60 minute effort might have gave us a W. So would some good officiating. We are getting by on this road trip okay. Our offense is catching up to us. Don't get down on this loss boys.
Clean house or bust
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Otherpeople
Messages: 63
Registered: October 2006
Location: Edmonton
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Tough to win any games when you spot the other team a 5 goal lead. Watching this game, besides the missed passes, am I the only one who NEVER sees any pressure on the puck, we play like we're on a penalty even when its 5 on 5. We never pressure the puck carrier in our own zone, and allow them to skate around the outside until they see an opening. In the offensive zone its not much better, the pens had 4 lined up on their blue line on a PK, and we still tried to carry it in, instead of dumping it deep and doing some work for it. Honestly, its time for a system change, if we aren't gonna get rid of MacT, maybe someone should tell him to change the system. Im tired of watching us get out played for 40 minutes, only to see them play 20 decent minutes, and show the potential everyone from us Oilfans, to the hockey writers picking us to be number 3 in the west see.
I don't care what it takes, but something has to give
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oilerinvan
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Location: Vancouver
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I am not a MacT hater. I am not a huge fan either. I think this team needs a new direction. This team could use a breath of fresh air. There is no question that this team has a good roster of talent. I think it needs a new set of eyes and ideas to take an outsiders look and build a strategy based on the tools, not try to make these tools fit a pre-conceived strategy.
Pisani is simply not a center. He is a winger and can be a very good one, especially when playing with a decent center. Not even a good center, a decent one. Say like Brodziak...
Visnovsky would save us all a lot of heartache if he could sit down with Huddy and learn when not to pinch. That guy has been absolutley killing us with bad pinches. I would bet at least 4 goals so far have been a direct result of bad pinches by Visnovsky.
Not sure what to think about the kids. It's not working. This PP should be deadly, which I think goes back to the first paragraph.
The first line was OK. Gilbert was good. JDD looks very solid, huge, and relaxed. I have liked him both times we have seen him now.
A shake-up would feel good.
Horcoff and MacIntyre rule.
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philly boy
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I love it how in 2 high(er) scoring games, Shawn Horcoff has 0 points and is still a no show for the season. He's probably not even the least bit worried about it either... Forget Gagner... Horcoff is gonna continue to be my personal whipping boy until he gets on at the very least a 10 game stretch of playing HALF-decent.
And the time is now for Hemsky to realize that he can be a great player in this league, a PPG guy at the very least, for a few years to come. It's just a shame he's a pea-brain with little-to-no hockey sense. Despicable effort to chase down the puck in the last 5 seconds.
As for the comeback, it was solely a result of the Penguins imploding on themselves, with terrible goaltending. Should've been an 8-0 game for the Pens.
Nothing to see here, FIRE MAC-T   
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OilLife
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I don't understand why people are bashing Hemsky for his play on this road trip?! He's showed up for the most part, still should realize when to sift throught the D with sick moves and when better judgement should take over and pass the puck when entering the offensive zone.
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nullterm
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| OilLife wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 20:07 |
I don't understand why people are bashing Hemsky for his play on this road trip?! He's showed up for the most part, still should realize when to sift throught the D with sick moves and when better judgement should take over and pass the puck when entering the offensive zone.
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Hemsky & Souray are the two brightest spots on this roster right now. Very happily I have both in my hockey pool.
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OilLife
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People get off Gagner's back already!! He's 19 years old!! People forget it took Thornton and Lecavalier 3 seasons to even get there feet wet.... Give him time. If you want to tear into players who should kick it into gear it's Penner for sure, Garon to some degree and Horcoff needs to step up as well.
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nullterm
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| OilLife wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 20:13 |
People get off Gagner's back already!! He's 19 years old!! People forget it took Thornton and Lecavalier 3 seasons to even get there feet wet.... Give him time. If you want to tear into players who should kick it into gear it's Penner for sure, Garon to some degree and Horcoff needs to step up as well.
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I agree about Gagner, but MacT needs to stop putting him in so many pressure situations. Take the weight off the young kid to let him get through the slump. He had a great season last year, but like you said he's still only 19 and is definitely in the sophomore slump.
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Carpet83
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Location: Thunder Bay
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| nullterm wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 23:27 |
| OilLife wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 20:13 |
People get off Gagner's back already!! He's 19 years old!! People forget it took Thornton and Lecavalier 3 seasons to even get there feet wet.... Give him time. If you want to tear into players who should kick it into gear it's Penner for sure, Garon to some degree and Horcoff needs to step up as well.
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I agree about Gagner, but MacT needs to stop putting him in so many pressure situations. Take the weight off the young kid to let him get through the slump. He had a great season last year, but like you said he's still only 19 and is definitely in the sophomore slump.
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That is very true. You cant force the issue like he has been. Giving Gagner regular time and letting him work it out slowly is the best. If he keeps running him out there and he keeps failing, his confidence will take a hit, and that is the last thing we need. A ruined high draft pick.
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Skookum Jim
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| philly boy wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 19:42 |
I love it how in 2 high(er) scoring games, Shawn Horcoff has 0 points and is still a no show for the season. He's probably not even the least bit worried about it either... Forget Gagner... Horcoff is gonna continue to be my personal whipping boy until he gets on at the very least a 10 game stretch of playing HALF-decent.
And the time is now for Hemsky to realize that he can be a great player in this league, a PPG guy at the very least, for a few years to come. It's just a shame he's a pea-brain with little-to-no hockey sense. Despicable effort to chase down the puck in the last 5 seconds.
As for the comeback, it was solely a result of the Penguins imploding on themselves, with terrible goaltending. Should've been an 8-0 game for the Pens.
Nothing to see here, FIRE MAC-T
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I agree. For me Horcoff is the worst no show, and disappointment. If your #1 center is useless, good chance the No1 line will be useless, which it is.
Its time Horcoff gets demoted to where he belongs, 3rd line checking.
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I really, really believe that Garon needs to start next game. Going with the 'hot goalie' sounds great on paper but I truly believe we're back to Conkanenorrison of 05-06 where each guy is now NOT playing to win but instead playing not to lose. Garon has sat out a number of games in a row and has been the only goalie on this club over the past season that has proven that he can play consistently well.
Recall that Garon did not start last season tremendously, and it wasn't until he had a number of games under his belt that he began to wrestle the starting role away from Rollie.
Playing Garon next game will send him a message of confidence and will allow him to redeem himself after letting in 5 tonight. Frick, you don't see ANY vets on this team sitting when they're not on their game - they're allowed to play through it. Hemmer is scoring now, and I really believe that if Garon is given a bit more time he can find his game again.
It was stupid putting Rollie in again and again, and it clearly didn't do anything to help Garon.
Final point - even though he won't face Brodeur, perhaps there's still a bit of the French-Canadian kid in Garon who respects Brodeur enough from when he was growing up that he would work that much harder to shine in New Jersey. Whatever - dumb thought I know - can't hurt though.
Doing the rotation-in of 'next goalie' after one lets in some goals is NOT the way to go. It didn't work in 05-06 and I don't think it'll work now.
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halfafrog
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I'm still on the can MacT's sorry butt bandwagon......3 years and counting.
If he was so wonderful at faceoffs, why can't he teach that to his own players? We are getting killed on puck possession off the draws......
So this is what hope feels like?
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Gunn
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| halfafrog wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 23:00 |
If he was so wonderful at faceoffs, why can't he teach that to his own players?
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My Psychology professor has a double doctorate.
and I still can't grasp the concept of the Rescorla-Wagner model....
not because she can't teach it properly, but because I don't have the skill set to understand psychological-based math equations.....
Think about it.
(HINT: No True, First line worthy Centres)
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| Gunn wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 23:14 |
| halfafrog wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 23:00 |
If he was so wonderful at faceoffs, why can't he teach that to his own players?
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My Psychology professor has a double doctorate.
and I still can't grasp the concept of the Rescorla-Wagner model....
not because she can't teach it properly, but because I don't have the skill set to understand psychological-based math equations.....
Think about it.
(HINT: No True, First line worthy Centres)
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Or, in layman's terms, to quote former Oiler coach Ron Low: "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it _ _ _ _ the fish". Not saying I agree - I don't think our problems are with Horc - just couldn't resist pulling that oldie out 
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smyth260
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| halfafrog wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 22:00 |
I'm still on the can MacT's sorry butt bandwagon......3 years and counting.
If he was so wonderful at faceoffs, why can't he teach that to his own players? We are getting killed on puck possession off the draws......
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I'm not sure what goes on during road practices, but my best guess is on long road trips not many problems get enough time to be fixed.
Clean house or bust
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ronster
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| MyBestGuess wrote on Thu, 06 November 2008 21:49 |
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Final point - even though he won't face Brodeur, perhaps there's still a bit of the French-Canadian kid in Garon who respects Brodeur enough from when he was growing up that he would work that much harder to shine in New Jersey. Whatever - dumb thought I know - can't hurt though.
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Isn't Deslaurier French-Canadian too?
You are right, Garon should start. But Deslaurier should back up again.
Unless they are showcasing Rolo in front of NJ.
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