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 Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397748]
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Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37)



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397754 is a reply to message #397748 ]
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That loss was super tough to swallow.

Stortini was brutal.

Everyone else was OK. Penner and Gilbert stood out.



Horcoff and MacIntyre rule.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397757 is a reply to message #397754 ]
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oilerinvan wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 19:34

That loss was super tough to swallow.

Stortini was brutal.

Everyone else was OK. Penner and Gilbert stood out.


We were 'okay', playing against a young team, who played last night, who are no total world beaters and we lost. Guess that shows just how losuy this team is, I'd hate to see us play less than okay.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397761 is a reply to message #397754 ]
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Penner looks better every game.

I also like the way Souray doesn't like to lose.

The Hawks were a tired team. We should have never lost this one, huge loss pertaining to the standings. Another blown lead.

Also as Brown stated the Hawks are a small team. The Oilers should have made them pay tonight in the second of back to back games.

I hope we are not starting our annual midseason slump.....last year it never ended.




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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397756 is a reply to message #397748 ]
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Embarrassing on so many levels. From coaching tactics to "team toughness", tonight was a microcosm of everything that's wrong with this hockey team.

And a lot of it can be traced back to the coach.

Outside of Penner and the Pitkanen/Gilbert pairing, very very unimpressed with tonight's performace. And if Hemsky's out for any length of time, it becomes that much worse.



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HBomb wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 19:37

Embarrassing on so many levels. From coaching tactics to "team toughness", tonight was a microcosm of everything that's wrong with this hockey team.

And a lot of it can be traced back to the coach.

Outside of Penner and the Pitkanen/Gilbert pairing, very very unimpressed with tonight's performace. And if Hemsky's out for any length of time, it becomes that much worse.


Hey, the free ride continues if Hemksy is out. The first half of the year the mantra was repeated that you can't judge the coach until we get all of our players back for any length of time. Hellooooooooooo, there are always going to be injuries. This will be especially true if Hemmer is out, the free ride continues.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397759 is a reply to message #397758 ]
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Yep, that's right.
If hemmer's out, MacT is not accountable.

Oh well, there's still hope.



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rukm01 wrote on Sun, 01 July 2012 21:54

Souray is a Duck is one letter away from being totally accurate.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397762 is a reply to message #397759 ]
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Think any of these guys (coaching included) are going to look Hemmer in the eye after this?

Disgusting how soft this team is.

Easy to play against. Just take out a skill guy, cause not a damn soul on this team is going to do a damn thing about it.



In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397766 is a reply to message #397762 ]
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nik- wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 19:46

Think any of these guys (coaching included) are going to look Hemmer in the eye after this?

Disgusting how soft this team is.

Easy to play against. Just take out a skill guy, cause not a damn soul on this team is going to do a damn thing about it.



They will keep there eyes closed like when they are playing on the ice rofl



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397767 is a reply to message #397762 ]
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this game defines what oilers hockey is all about.


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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397769 is a reply to message #397758 ]
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Beerfish Revisited wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 19:39

HBomb wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 19:37

Embarrassing on so many levels. From coaching tactics to "team toughness", tonight was a microcosm of everything that's wrong with this hockey team.

And a lot of it can be traced back to the coach.

Outside of Penner and the Pitkanen/Gilbert pairing, very very unimpressed with tonight's performace. And if Hemsky's out for any length of time, it becomes that much worse.


Hey, the free ride continues if Hemksy is out. The first half of the year the mantra was repeated that you can't judge the coach until we get all of our players back for any length of time. Hellooooooooooo, there are always going to be injuries. This will be especially true if Hemmer is out, the free ride continues.


The irony is that it's partially due to MacT's conservative, pacifist philosophies that Hemsky got hurt.

We are a soft, unintimidating team. And on top of that, we're not very good.

Credit to mudcrutch79 for this (from the comments on the most recent post on Lowetide's blog), but we're at the Christmas break and the Oilers have the second worst goal differential and the fifth worst record in the entire league.

2 games under .500? It's a mirage thanks to a bunch of shootout wins. This is NOT a good hockey team. 7 regulation wins in the last 57 regular season games says it all....



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397771 is a reply to message #397769 ]
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Ya, but just think of how scared the opposition is going to be now... message sent - if you take out our best players we will hug you and hump you to the ice - Look for white flags flying out of the opposing teams bench from here on in.


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 7 regulation wins in the last 57 games? [message #397780 is a reply to message #397769 ]
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I didn't even know that. That's unbelievable.

The fans here would be going nuts.

I don't know what they're like in Edmonton, but you would think they would be yelling for something to be done.

The usual we have a young up and coming team doesn't cut it anymore. It never happens. We fight tooth and nail to claw our way into the playoffs every season, which rarely happens these days. This isn't good enough.

Changes need to be made.




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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397774 is a reply to message #397748 ]
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From tsn:

"We played just as hard as they did," Penner said. "The only difference is they won."

Edmonton coach Craig MacTavish agreed.

"We battled hard and showed a lot of moxie tonight," he said.

Edmonton's Ales Hemsky left the game late in the second period because of a left knee injury after colliding with Chicago's Martin Lapointe and didn't return.

Lapointe received a minor penalty for tripping on the play.

"It's was a dirty hit, there was no doubt about it," MacTavish said. "It's should have been at least five minutes. Now we've got one of our best guys having X-rays because of a guy who plays 10 minutes a game."

MacTavish said Hemsky will undergo an MRI in the next few days.


MacT is more upset that we didn't get a 5 minute power play than the fact that Hemsky is gone. His comment about Hemmer being out by a guy that plays 10 minutes a game is especially galling. For all his knowledge of the game this guy is the worst coach I've ever seen handling three areas, toughness, pp and goaltending. What a joke.




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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397775 is a reply to message #397774 ]
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It was a dirty hit and should lead to a suspension. 30 games sounds about right! :)

It's just another example of why the instigator rule should be removed. Even then, the Oilers would need someone tougher than Huggy Bear. I didn't see the entire fight but on TSN it looked like another love-in.



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Beerfish Revisited wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 21:39

From tsn:

"We played just as hard as they did," Penner said. "The only difference is they won."

Edmonton coach Craig MacTavish agreed.

"We battled hard and showed a lot of moxie tonight," he said.

Edmonton's Ales Hemsky left the game late in the second period because of a left knee injury after colliding with Chicago's Martin Lapointe and didn't return.

Lapointe received a minor penalty for tripping on the play.

"It's was a dirty hit, there was no doubt about it," MacTavish said. "It's should have been at least five minutes. Now we've got one of our best guys having X-rays because of a guy who plays 10 minutes a game."

MacTavish said Hemsky will undergo an MRI in the next few days.


MacT is more upset that we didn't get a 5 minute power play than the fact that Hemsky is gone. His comment about Hemmer being out by a guy that plays 10 minutes a game is especially galling. For all his knowledge of the game this guy is the worst coach I've ever seen handling three areas, toughness, pp and goaltending. What a joke.




MacT has to accept that a lot of the blame for this MUST fall at his feet, due to his pacifist philosophies and this joke known as "team toughness".

I am completely and utterly disgusted. Hemsky being out for any length of time is going to put a huge smile on Brian Burke's fat arrogant face.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397821 is a reply to message #397776 ]
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HBomb wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 21:52

Beerfish Revisited wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 21:39

From tsn:

"We played just as hard as they did," Penner said. "The only difference is they won."

Edmonton coach Craig MacTavish agreed.

"We battled hard and showed a lot of moxie tonight," he said.

Edmonton's Ales Hemsky left the game late in the second period because of a left knee injury after colliding with Chicago's Martin Lapointe and didn't return.

Lapointe received a minor penalty for tripping on the play.

"It's was a dirty hit, there was no doubt about it," MacTavish said. "It's should have been at least five minutes. Now we've got one of our best guys having X-rays because of a guy who plays 10 minutes a game."

MacTavish said Hemsky will undergo an MRI in the next few days.


MacT is more upset that we didn't get a 5 minute power play than the fact that Hemsky is gone. His comment about Hemmer being out by a guy that plays 10 minutes a game is especially galling. For all his knowledge of the game this guy is the worst coach I've ever seen handling three areas, toughness, pp and goaltending. What a joke.




MacT has to accept that a lot of the blame for this MUST fall at his feet, due to his pacifist philosophies and this joke known as "team toughness".

I am completely and utterly disgusted. Hemsky being out for any length of time is going to put a huge smile on Brian Burke's fat arrogant face.

How many points has this team pissed away by not protecting their stars? Why not just say screw it when someone runs a skill guy & make the other team accountable. Instigator? Big deal. Eye for an eye. Beat the snot out of Lapointe, and follow that up with a run at one of their skill guys.

I'd rather lose 2 points now, and send a damn message. Might make teams think twice about how they play the Oilers.

The only message that has been sent is it's open season on any Oiler.





In fairness to Hall, I've wanted to throw a waterbottle at Eakins all season.
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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397833 is a reply to message #397821 ]
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nik- wrote on Mon, 24 December 2007 15:45

HBomb wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 21:52

Beerfish Revisited wrote on Sun, 23 December 2007 21:39

From tsn:

"We played just as hard as they did," Penner said. "The only difference is they won."

Edmonton coach Craig MacTavish agreed.

"We battled hard and showed a lot of moxie tonight," he said.

Edmonton's Ales Hemsky left the game late in the second period because of a left knee injury after colliding with Chicago's Martin Lapointe and didn't return.

Lapointe received a minor penalty for tripping on the play.

"It's was a dirty hit, there was no doubt about it," MacTavish said. "It's should have been at least five minutes. Now we've got one of our best guys having X-rays because of a guy who plays 10 minutes a game."

MacTavish said Hemsky will undergo an MRI in the next few days.


MacT is more upset that we didn't get a 5 minute power play than the fact that Hemsky is gone. His comment about Hemmer being out by a guy that plays 10 minutes a game is especially galling. For all his knowledge of the game this guy is the worst coach I've ever seen handling three areas, toughness, pp and goaltending. What a joke.




MacT has to accept that a lot of the blame for this MUST fall at his feet, due to his pacifist philosophies and this joke known as "team toughness".

I am completely and utterly disgusted. Hemsky being out for any length of time is going to put a huge smile on Brian Burke's fat arrogant face.

How many points has this team pissed away by not protecting their stars? Why not just say screw it when someone runs a skill guy & make the other team accountable. Instigator? Big deal. Eye for an eye. Beat the snot out of Lapointe, and follow that up with a run at one of their skill guys.

I'd rather lose 2 points now, and send a damn message. Might make teams think twice about how they play the Oilers.

The only message that has been sent is it's open season on any Oiler.





MacT will NEVER figure this out. He'd rather avoid a 2 minute minor and have our guys ge their heads driven through the boards than truly stand up for ourselves.



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397786 is a reply to message #397774 ]
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Tonights game was pretty entertaining and disappointing overall. There is a real divide in what this team has and should have, really frustrating to watch. So I came up with a way to describe it without being vehemently negative. In fact, it is a realistic multiple choice quiz, with seemingly no wrong Oiler answer...

1.)Hemsky is hurt by a CHEAP shot(Lapointe will probably get 2-5 games). Do you...
a)Skate to his side and make sure everything is alright
b)Skate after the dirty player, risk a game misconduct, and beat the piss out of him
c)Hit the next guy is an akward position to send a message back that "We can be just as dirty/mean/rough as you"
d)Look around stupid, don't do anything and play like nothing happened to your team's best player

2.)When you are up by a goal, do you...
a)Drink the "koolaid" your coach gave you in the dressing room(a.k.a. rope a dope hockey)
b)Sit back because it's not like you ever lost before when leading after 1 period
c)Refuse to play in the opposition zone because it seems too far to go, so pass stupidly around your zone until you give it to an opposition fore-checker
d)All of the above

3.)"Huggy Bear" is back, gawd I missed him, and asks you how to fight(As you all have probably fought before), now what do you say to him?
a)"Hug, you got to stay with your strengths!"
b)"Throw some fists, because even when you lose you might create some emotion in this team."
c)"Don't fight...you should just play hard, skate and check."
d)"You still play in the NHL?!?!"

4.)"???" Steve Staios needs a new nick-name, so what should it be?
a)Steady (Got to stay with the classic.)
b)Stupid (Do I really have to say much?)
c)Stunning (Wow, what the ...... did he just do?!?!)
d)S&*@ty (Do you see him play this season?)

5.)Our Coaching strategy is...
a)Defense first, offense whenever we feel like it
b)Rope-a-dope(sit back, relax, and enjoy the ride)
c)A fast skating, hard-nosed fore-checking team
d)MacBleder anything when it doesn't go right



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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397795 is a reply to message #397774 ]
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I'm hoping Katz likes MacT as much as I do. He should be gone in 5 minutes. In this instance I would be all for owner interference...


So this is what hope feels like?

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Not much else to add but I thought the quote from a seemingly semi-soused William Petersen in the stands was a good one (heh):

"Evidently we'll have to get a 'CSI: Edmonton' going soon - there'll be a lot of frozen Edmontons [sic]".

Principe was in schoolgirl heaven. :)

Penner's goal was great - no doubt in my mind why Burke was so pissed to lose him. He can be solid with this team for years and I only see him improving. Gilbert's play continues to impress. What else can ya say? Like the old saying goes, "I've been down so goddamn long that it looks like up to me". I can't tell what state we're in anymore.



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brando's Oil Patch wrote on Mon, 24 December 2007 08:14

Not much else to add but I thought the quote from a seemingly semi-soused William Petersen in the stands was a good one (heh):

"Evidently we'll have to get a 'CSI: Edmonton' going soon - there'll be a lot of frozen Edmontons [sic]".

Principe was in schoolgirl heaven. :)

Penner's goal was great - no doubt in my mind why Burke was so pissed to lose him. He can be solid with this team for years and I only see him improving. Gilbert's play continues to impress. What else can ya say? Like the old saying goes, "I've been down so goddamn long that it looks like up to me". I can't tell what state we're in anymore.

Actually he said "a lot of frozen evidence."



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Damn. You know, I replayed that about 10x and heard "Edmontons" each time. However, I'm obviously wrong. Thanks for the correction. icon_thumbsup


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I don't really see the point of the anger of the fans. (Although I do enjoy it)

This team sucks big time and the brass at the top is to blame.

Hope when Katz gets the team he fires Lowe and Mac-T because we can suck just as bad without them as we do with them.



CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57

I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.

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This place is so bi-polar.


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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 24 December 2007 15:35

This place is so bi-polar.


Welcome to fan site message boards.



CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57

I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.

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 Re: Review: Edmonton @ Chicago (Game #37) [message #397836 is a reply to message #397748 ]
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A few points to make:

-what's MacT's excuse now that he essentially has a healthy line up?

-team toughness is shot blocking, getting in scrums, playing hurt... it's not got anything to do with fighting and intimidation. Proven in Chicago for the 18657th time

-Marty Reasoner as a 6th man should be grounds for immediate explusion. 1 goal for his last 60 games?

-the team plays passive, like MacT

-the team plays soft, like MacT

-this team doesn't hit, like MacT

-this team has no toughness, like MacT

-I don't know exactly who is the 2nd, 3rd, or 4th line, and that's a problem when you need a role to play in hockey, direction of some kind, and assign minutes as such.

-this team doesn't play any kind of good sound hockey

-Staios is getting far too much play as the babysitter of Smid and not the guy continually out of position, losing battles, and making bad choices leading directly to goals.

-Oilers hockey now means soft and weak with no permissable use of skill

Merry Chrsitmas to all... and hopefully the last with MacT. Here's to MacT I hope you don't see the new year as head coach.



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"No. In fact, we're so bad that we're disbanding." - Paul Newman as Reggie Dunlop in Slapshot

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Calling the way the team reacted to the Hemsky kneeing a disgrace is like refering to the gang rape of a sheep as a minor social deviation. MacT has to go before this team can improve. In his tenure here what has this team done. Lucked into 8th a few times, missed the playoffs a few times and happened to ride along for the unexpected 06 run that basically doomed this team to 4 more years of this lead weight that will continue to stifle young skilled talent and promote a soft style of passive bulls**t to the point it seems like the players dont even care about each other anymore. Times need a changing and MacT is the first issue that needs addressed before this team can get any better in oil country. End of rant





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Quote:

-what's MacT's excuse now that he essentially has a healthy line up?


The lineup sucks? I know I'm in the extreme minority here but I still don't think that the guy is a bad coach. He's a team that could run four lines deep once and they went to the Stanley Cup finals. We'll never know how much of the last few years is on Lowe and how much is on the EIG for dicking him with the budget and then getting jumpy last summer but this team just lacks talent. Other than the 83-10-(man, I was about to type 94 here; muscle memory I guess)27 troika, they just get slaughtered. Smid is finding new ways to make old mistakes on a minute by minute basis. Even the golden boys in Gagner and Cogs - I'm not going to pick on them because they're both rookies but they get gutted on the ice. I looked at the numbers a while back and I have two faves on those two: with Gagner, he got a stint with Horcoff and went 7 ES shots for and 29 ES shots against, which is astounding - Hemsky was with that for much of the time. For the last 20 odd games, Cogs has been putting up ES shots at a Tie Domi rate. I don't see how you blame MacT when he has about 7 real hockey players on the roster at the moment.

But that new dressing room sure is nice...



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I don't think you are in the minority. It is just when people are upset, they are more vocal. Also, I agree with most of what you are saying... unfortunately...

This lineup is not good. They will be, and could be, but they are not right now.

What is difficult this year is that every now and again you can see what this team could/can play like. There are times when they can dominate, but then time and again they get exploited.

For my own health and sanity I am choosing to be happy when they win and try to look for the positive when they lose (I am not always successful in this zen exercise though).

The one good thing is that it is becoming very clear who is expendable and who needs to be replaced. If we can lock up Pitkanen and Gilbert, this team will be a serious force in two years, and will be expected to make the playoffs next year.



Horcoff and MacIntyre rule.

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I'm with ya Mud & OIV. ... just for the record .
MacT is not the problem, altho it may be a tad unjust to say he is blameless.
We are a young team with a veteran precense that, for the most part , has not been pulling their weight. ( except ,as mentioned ,our 1st line). Will we be able to turn it around? I believe so. But I think we should mix the offense up abit. .....
Penner/Gagner/Hemmer (when he returns)
Moreau/Horcoff/Pisani
Nillson/Reasoner/Brodziak
Sanderson/Cogs/Stoll ... yup on the wing

PB- Torres/ Stortini

{Of course this will all change when Klowe does his thing ( cya #14) ... I know Ty, his upside is good, we just haven't seen enough of it yet, and I'm beginning to think, we won't.}


2nd line shares tuff mins. with 3rd line.

Being on the wing will be easier on Stoll & he can still do the FO thing.

Gagner centering 1st line??? .... Well. that's where we were gonna put him eventually , ain't it so? Just do it.... he has to play with the big guy... and we'll see how it works tonight methinks icon_nod

It's worth a shot IMO .... we got nothin goin' so far offensively.
Hell , bring up Robbie-boy. .... throw him in Hemmer's spot fer a bit ( 'til he gets back)
We need to spread the goal scoring around IMO.
I know I will get feedback on this ...so have atter boys, I got shoulders to match the belly icon_lol



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mudcrutch79 wrote on Wed, 26 December 2007 23:10

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-what's MacT's excuse now that he essentially has a healthy line up?


The lineup sucks? I know I'm in the extreme minority here but I still don't think that the guy is a bad coach. He's a team that could run four lines deep once and they went to the Stanley Cup finals. We'll never know how much of the last few years is on Lowe and how much is on the EIG for dicking him with the budget and then getting jumpy last summer but this team just lacks talent. Other than the 83-10-(man, I was about to type 94 here; muscle memory I guess)27 troika, they just get slaughtered. Smid is finding new ways to make old mistakes on a minute by minute basis. Even the golden boys in Gagner and Cogs - I'm not going to pick on them because they're both rookies but they get gutted on the ice. I looked at the numbers a while back and I have two faves on those two: with Gagner, he got a stint with Horcoff and went 7 ES shots for and 29 ES shots against, which is astounding - Hemsky was with that for much of the time. For the last 20 odd games, Cogs has been putting up ES shots at a Tie Domi rate. I don't see how you blame MacT when he has about 7 real hockey players on the roster at the moment.

But that new dressing room sure is nice...


Team doesn't suck as much as what he's getting out of them. They're not a playoff team but there is enough talent that we should be looking forward to future seasons. I know I'm not though. I wish we had Andy Murray.



CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 12 February 2008 14:57

I'm just going to say it, this Longcat fellow is quite possibly the best poster on Oilfans.

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J.Money wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 13:02

mudcrutch79 wrote on Wed, 26 December 2007 23:10

Quote:

-what's MacT's excuse now that he essentially has a healthy line up?


The lineup sucks? I know I'm in the extreme minority here but I still don't think that the guy is a bad coach. He's a team that could run four lines deep once and they went to the Stanley Cup finals. We'll never know how much of the last few years is on Lowe and how much is on the EIG for dicking him with the budget and then getting jumpy last summer but this team just lacks talent. Other than the 83-10-(man, I was about to type 94 here; muscle memory I guess)27 troika, they just get slaughtered. Smid is finding new ways to make old mistakes on a minute by minute basis. Even the golden boys in Gagner and Cogs - I'm not going to pick on them because they're both rookies but they get gutted on the ice. I looked at the numbers a while back and I have two faves on those two: with Gagner, he got a stint with Horcoff and went 7 ES shots for and 29 ES shots against, which is astounding - Hemsky was with that for much of the time. For the last 20 odd games, Cogs has been putting up ES shots at a Tie Domi rate. I don't see how you blame MacT when he has about 7 real hockey players on the roster at the moment.

But that new dressing room sure is nice...


Team doesn't suck as much as what he's getting out of them. They're not a playoff team but there is enough talent that we should be looking forward to future seasons. I know I'm not though. I wish we had Andy Murray.



Who's the underproducing talent J. Money? I see lots of guys producing pretty much what they've always produced.



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Thu, 27 December 2007 11:36 Go to previous message
Beerfish Revisited  is currently offline Beerfish Revisited
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mudcrutch79 wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 11:16

J.Money wrote on Thu, 27 December 2007 13:02

mudcrutch79 wrote on Wed, 26 December 2007 23:10

Quote:

-what's MacT's excuse now that he essentially has a healthy line up?


The lineup sucks? I know I'm in the extreme minority here but I still don't think that the guy is a bad coach. He's a team that could run four lines deep once and they went to the Stanley Cup finals. We'll never know how much of the last few years is on Lowe and how much is on the EIG for dicking him with the budget and then getting jumpy last summer but this team just lacks talent. Other than the 83-10-(man, I was about to type 94 here; muscle memory I guess)27 troika, they just get slaughtered. Smid is finding new ways to make old mistakes on a minute by minute basis. Even the golden boys in Gagner and Cogs - I'm not going to pick on them because they're both rookies but they get gutted on the ice. I looked at the numbers a while back and I have two faves on those two: with Gagner, he got a stint with Horcoff and went 7 ES shots for and 29 ES shots against, which is astounding - Hemsky was with that for much of the time. For the last 20 odd games, Cogs has been putting up ES shots at a Tie Domi rate. I don't see how you blame MacT when he has about 7 real hockey players on the roster at the moment.

But that new dressing room sure is nice...


Team doesn't suck as much as what he's getting out of them. They're not a playoff team but there is enough talent that we should be looking forward to future seasons. I know I'm not though. I wish we had Andy Murray.



Who's the underproducing talent J. Money? I see lots of guys producing pretty much what they've always produced.


Exactly, the MacT reign of terror and mediocrity has been a long one. We will never really know if these players are better than what they are playing now but my suspicion is the team would be better without MacT.



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