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 Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM and POHO offer [message #737037]
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https://www.tsn.ca/oilers-expected-to-name-holland-as-new-gm -1.1301065

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TSN Hockey Insider Darren Dreger added Holland is informing the Red Wings and the owners, the Illitch family, of his decision Sunday as well, and the deal is believed to be for five years at $5 million per season.


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Dreger also reported Holland will have autonomy with the Oilers while Nicholson could take on a bigger role.


All along Rod Pedersen and Elliotte Friedman were right.

Edited to add POHO to the title.

[Updated on: Tue, 07 May 2019 10:12]


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Looks like all the interview process went out the window again. Phone call saying you have the job just name your price and conditions after Vegas took away their first choice who also wasn't interviewed. What could go wrong? GM who's success came without the cap and outspent everyone. One cup after with good players signed to good contracts. Did have success with European players in the draft but other teams slowly got scouts in place so that dried up. Ended up with a bunch of overpaid players with near bottom of the league team. Sound familiar? Bobby Burger is a joke and so was this whole process. Sad we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league with it's best player.


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 Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737039 is a reply to message #737038 ]
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scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:29

Looks like all the interview process went out the window again. Phone call saying you have the job just name your price and conditions after Vegas took away their first choice who also wasn't interviewed. What could go wrong? GM who's success came without the cap and outspent everyone. One cup after with good players signed to good contracts. Did have success with European players in the draft but other teams slowly got scouts in place so that dried up. Ended up with a bunch of overpaid players with near bottom of the league team. Sound familiar? Bobby Burger is a joke and so was this whole process. Sad we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league with it's best player.

This is obviously what the other NHL teams told Bob he should do.



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 Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737040 is a reply to message #737038 ]
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scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:29

Looks like all the interview process went out the window again. Phone call saying you have the job just name your price and conditions after Vegas took away their first choice who also wasn't interviewed. What could go wrong? GM who's success came without the cap and outspent everyone. One cup after with good players signed to good contracts. Did have success with European players in the draft but other teams slowly got scouts in place so that dried up. Ended up with a bunch of overpaid players with near bottom of the league team. Sound familiar? Bobby Burger is a joke and so was this whole process. Sad we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league with it's best player.


Hey, if he can turn this year's third round pick in to one of the top 5 defencemen of all-time, then we're laughing!

Good news though - Dreger is suggesting that Nicholson may play a larger role going forward! And if we can keep Keith Gretzky (and why wouldn't we be able to since literally no one else will want him), then we can now brag that we have 5 guys on staff who've been NHL general managers. Other teams will be jealous of that kind of depth! Sure, we may be so light at wing that on any given night we are playing 4-5 guys who wouldn't make most rosters in the league, but the depth chart at GM is just stacked.

This has been so over-the-top leaked, you know the Oilers are trying to spin some narrative...my biggest guess? He's keeping virtually everyone in that inner circle (Duane Sutter may get the door), and the Oilers want to make it seem like it's an acknowledgement that they still all belong in the room. "Look, we gave our buddy Kenny autonomy! You know that because Bob Nicholson told...errr...a well-placed confidential source told you! And Ken Holland, who has won some Stanley Cups, decided that he wants us all there!" They hope that the fact Holland doesn't axe anyone is going to fool some of the fanbase and relieve the pressure.

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So...trades don't seem to be a forte. Only positive is that he doesn't make a lot of terrible sell-off trades either.

http://www.nhltradetracker.com/user/trade_list_by_GM/Ken_Hol land/138

Red Wings have been almost entirely built through the draft or free agency.

Hopefully there's no dreadful Nugent-Hopkins deal coming.



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Yes. Just yes.


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 Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737047 is a reply to message #737037 ]
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Oilers: we've never conducted a proper GM interview process, so this time we will to get it right. Usually we just hired friends we already know.

Also Oilers: hires guy they didn't fully interview because they were already Hockey Canada buddies.



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Finally someone who isn't a complete dolt. As long as he doesn't trade McDavid for Adam Larsson we should be better off then the last guy.


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Hoping there won't be anymore "bold" trades.

I'll wait and see... and be hopeful.. but with this roster (outside of 6 players), and how many levels they need to go speed and skill-wise to be competitive in the NHL playoffs, he has tangled ball of string to straighten out.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 12:06

Management rebuild #6!

They’ve really been more “retools” than rebuilds. All the tools are still here.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 11:10

CrusaderPi wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 12:06

Management rebuild #6!

They’ve really been more “retools” than rebuilds. All the tools are still here.

Post of the day.



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I’m just glad Kevin Lowe’s job is safe for another 3 years.


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Magnum wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 12:59

I’m just glad Kevin Lowe’s job is safe for another 3 years.

I too am glad to have the confirmation, but I was never too worried.



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At this point, I'd prefer Katz just held a presser saying Lowe and co. have complete control over the team and we just need to "suck it up."


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I think the trades might be better.

Drafting is suspect.

Cap management is suspect.

He's OBC adjacent with Team Canada ties with Gretz, Lowe, Nicholson.

Nor particularly forward-thinking.

His successes have been a decade ago and has been getting worse since then.

Can'r say I'm thrilled or that I expect much more success moving forward. Connor may be gone before Holland is.



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Holland’s most relevant and current job experience is selling personal seat licenses, boxes, and parking passes to a new building with an underperforming team.


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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 14:12

I think the trades might be better.

Drafting is suspect.

Cap management is suspect.

He's OBC adjacent with Team Canada ties with Gretz, Lowe, Nicholson.

Nor particularly forward-thinking.

His successes have been a decade ago and has been getting worse since then.

Can'r say I'm thrilled or that I expect much more success moving forward. Connor may be gone before Holland is.


Well.. on the bright side we didn't give up a 2nd round draft choice this time :)

He spent 7 years as director of amateur scouting, and 3 as AGM, before he became the GM in Detroit. The biggest asset you can have as a GM IMHO is talent assessment, hopefully he's never lost that.

I'm going to go glass half-full for the moment..



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 Re: Ken Holland accepts Oilers GM offer [message #737060 is a reply to message #737040 ]
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Adam wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:57

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:29

Looks like all the interview process went out the window again. Phone call saying you have the job just name your price and conditions after Vegas took away their first choice who also wasn't interviewed. What could go wrong? GM who's success came without the cap and outspent everyone. One cup after with good players signed to good contracts. Did have success with European players in the draft but other teams slowly got scouts in place so that dried up. Ended up with a bunch of overpaid players with near bottom of the league team. Sound familiar? Bobby Burger is a joke and so was this whole process. Sad we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league with it's best player.


Hey, if he can turn this year's third round pick in to one of the top 5 defencemen of all-time, then we're laughing!

Good news though - Dreger is suggesting that Nicholson may play a larger role going forward! And if we can keep Keith Gretzky (and why wouldn't we be able to since literally no one else will want him), then we can now brag that we have 5 guys on staff who've been NHL general managers. Other teams will be jealous of that kind of depth! Sure, we may be so light at wing that on any given night we are playing 4-5 guys who wouldn't make most rosters in the league, but the depth chart at GM is just stacked.

This has been so over-the-top leaked, you know the Oilers are trying to spin some narrative...my biggest guess? He's keeping virtually everyone in that inner circle (Duane Sutter may get the door), and the Oilers want to make it seem like it's an acknowledgement that they still all belong in the room. "Look, we gave our buddy Kenny autonomy! You know that because Bob Nicholson told...errr...a well-placed confidential source told you! And Ken Holland, who has won some Stanley Cups, decided that he wants us all there!" They hope that the fact Holland doesn't axe anyone is going to fool some of the fanbase and relieve the pressure.

This team really doesn't deserve us.


Be honest, was there a single candidate you would have been 1% happy with?



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Adam wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:57



This has been so over-the-top leaked, you know the Oilers are trying to spin some narrative...my biggest guess? He's keeping virtually everyone in that inner circle (Duane Sutter may get the door), and the Oilers want to make it seem like it's an acknowledgement that they still all belong in the room. "Look, we gave our buddy Kenny autonomy! You know that because Bob Nicholson told...errr...a well-placed confidential source told you! And Ken Holland, who has won some Stanley Cups, decided that he wants us all there!" They hope that the fact Holland doesn't axe anyone is going to fool some of the fanbase and relieve the pressure.


Oh yeah, nobody's getting fired. There may be some shifting around for optics, but the management "core" will all be here.

Thing is, Holland may have full autonomy, but I think he's just one of them; he works with these guys with Hockey Canada, he knows them all, he thinks the same as they do. It'll just be more group think and status quo. He will be happy to keep them, and I think anyone hoping he'll clean house will be disappointed.

But we may get the added bonus of former ex-Oiler Tyler Wright, who has a spotty drafting record with Detroit. So cheers to that.

What I think the Oilers really need was some fresh thinkers who are forward-thinking and would shake up the group think taking place in that room. Someone who didn't make every decision based on analytics, but at least understood them and used them as a tool in their tool belt rather than just relying on his gut. Instead, they just hired someone who is like them; no wonder they felt comfortable with him.



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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 16:07

Adam wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:57

scotiaoiler wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 10:29

Looks like all the interview process went out the window again. Phone call saying you have the job just name your price and conditions after Vegas took away their first choice who also wasn't interviewed. What could go wrong? GM who's success came without the cap and outspent everyone. One cup after with good players signed to good contracts. Did have success with European players in the draft but other teams slowly got scouts in place so that dried up. Ended up with a bunch of overpaid players with near bottom of the league team. Sound familiar? Bobby Burger is a joke and so was this whole process. Sad we will continue to be the laughing stock of the league with it's best player.


Hey, if he can turn this year's third round pick in to one of the top 5 defencemen of all-time, then we're laughing!

Good news though - Dreger is suggesting that Nicholson may play a larger role going forward! And if we can keep Keith Gretzky (and why wouldn't we be able to since literally no one else will want him), then we can now brag that we have 5 guys on staff who've been NHL general managers. Other teams will be jealous of that kind of depth! Sure, we may be so light at wing that on any given night we are playing 4-5 guys who wouldn't make most rosters in the league, but the depth chart at GM is just stacked.

This has been so over-the-top leaked, you know the Oilers are trying to spin some narrative...my biggest guess? He's keeping virtually everyone in that inner circle (Duane Sutter may get the door), and the Oilers want to make it seem like it's an acknowledgement that they still all belong in the room. "Look, we gave our buddy Kenny autonomy! You know that because Bob Nicholson told...errr...a well-placed confidential source told you! And Ken Holland, who has won some Stanley Cups, decided that he wants us all there!" They hope that the fact Holland doesn't axe anyone is going to fool some of the fanbase and relieve the pressure.

This team really doesn't deserve us.


Be honest, was there a single candidate you would have been 1% happy with?

I might have taken a Chiarelli rehire if it meant Klowe was leaving. Unfortunately I don’t think that’s the case.



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I'm optimistic. Holland knows what a healthy, successful organization with accountability looks like. I suspect he will want the same in Edmonton. I know there is concern that because of Hockey Canada connections that nobody will be getting the axe, but I don't necessarily agree with that. Again, Holland has a very strong reputation for success and will undoubtedly be in the HOF, and he doesn't need the money, so why tarnish that reputation for some buddies that you are more closer to coworkers than buddies to and are heavily regarded as morons by the other 30 teams?

My preference was Hunter, and he may still join in a role, but the reality is that Hunter would NEVER get the freedom that Holland will have. Now will Holland use that freedom to do what I think is needed and clean out some longstanding baggage remains to be seen.



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Welp, that's all done!

At the very least, Holland has always valued skill, and has never chased after big heavy useless turds, as if they would be the key to turning around his team. His issue is like Lucky Lou, selling the future for too long chasing after success they and ownership grew accustomed to. Hopefully he still has the patient side to him, and we have some good pieces to start with.

Hopefully an interesting next few months on the way and he is able to do some magic, shedding some crap contracts. What more can we do as fans than hope? :)

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Interesting hire
Experienced
Successful
Autonomous
Has respect around the league
Knows the secret to success
Recognizes talent and how to mature it.
Does not advertise every move, or thought of a move, or mention of a thought

My thoughts are cautiously optimistic, Holland checks a lot of boxes. He kept retooling Detroit till the money ran out. This seems to be a common theme in the cap era.
Time will tell.



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I didn't think there was any real chance of him taking over as GM of the Oilers but have to say he is the best of the candidates with his wealth of experience and connections. All those years in Detroit with competitive teams has to count for something no matter how he went about it, they were the model franchise of the NHL for a long time. This is the best we could hope for out of all that bs speculation.


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Iamheretoday wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 16:32

Interesting hire
Experienced
Successful
Autonomous
Has respect around the league
Knows the secret to success
Recognizes talent and how to mature it.
Does not advertise every move, or thought of a move, or mention of a thought

My thoughts are cautiously optimistic, Holland checks a lot of boxes. He kept retooling Detroit till the money ran out. This seems to be a common theme in the cap era.
Time will tell.



Probably the best resume you could ask for. But I think everyone is concerned if he is really coming to GM or be semi retired, and can he figure out how to work with the cap... especially with the team already handcuffed by Lucic.



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Fan theory:
Main stream media shut down the initial Ken Holland as GM rumour so hard because everything leaks from the Oilers so the idea that they wouldn’t already know about it was inconceivable.



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My stance is pretty simple. If he cleans house, I'll pay attention. Anything less, and it's more of the same.


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NetBOG wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 16:07


Be honest, was there a single candidate you would have been 1% happy with?


There were definitely guys out there who could have been intriguing, and if it were someone without Holland's resume, it would have been harder to predict how it was going to go.

I mean, it's the Oilers, and they had a doddering old fool leading the hunt, so the odds weren't good that it was going to work out well, but you never know.

Should Holland clean house now, maybe i'll give me a little bit more hope, but that seems pretty unlikely, doesn't it?



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https://twitter.com/TSNRyanRishaug/status/112526199374353203 2?s=19
Can confirm Ken Holland has officially accepted the job as Oilers General Manager. An official announcement to come in the next few days.

Gulp. Here we go.



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smyth260 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 21:49

My stance is pretty simple. If he cleans house, I'll pay attention. Anything less, and it's more of the same.


I mean, he can't fire Nicholson or Lowe, and they are more of a problem than anyone else probably. Not that having MacTavish, Howson, Green, Sutter, Kretzky, Gretzky, Coffey, etc. around is great, but the two biggest problems still remain above him.

Not that this was ever a solution regardless of who they hired, but this is why I remain a skeptic. Katz didn't have the fortitude to cut out the biggest problems.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 23:20

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 21:49

My stance is pretty simple. If he cleans house, I'll pay attention. Anything less, and it's more of the same.


I mean, he can't fire Nicholson or Lowe, and they are more of a problem than anyone else probably. Not that having MacTavish, Howson, Green, Sutter, Kretzky, Gretzky, Coffey, etc. around is great, but the two biggest problems still remain above him.

Not that this was ever a solution regardless of who they hired, but this is why I remain a skeptic. Katz didn't have the fortitude to cut out the biggest problems.

Even if Holland fires them, would you believe it?



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mightyreasoner wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 22:20

smyth260 wrote on Sun, 05 May 2019 21:49

My stance is pretty simple. If he cleans house, I'll pay attention. Anything less, and it's more of the same.


I mean, he can't fire Nicholson or Lowe, and they are more of a problem than anyone else probably. Not that having MacTavish, Howson, Green, Sutter, Kretzky, Gretzky, Coffey, etc. around is great, but the two biggest problems still remain above him.

Not that this was ever a solution regardless of who they hired, but this is why I remain a skeptic. Katz didn't have the fortitude to cut out the biggest problems.


It's definitely wishful thinking. I guess I'd be ok with Nicholson sticking around until he decides to go back to Hockey Canada. Friedman has mentioned that a few times on his podcast.

Everyone else can be removed, I think. Holland is unlike all the rookie GM's they interviewed. He has a lot of success, experience, and respect. If he decided that Lowe can no longer be at the draft, give tours to free agents, ask for his son to be handed contracts...I think they would have to listen. They are paying him 5 million for his expertise. Say thanks Kevin, but you and all your glory days friends can simply be team ambassadors or whatever. I just don't really think for a second that Holland will do that. And it really shouldn't be his call to make. The house should be clean before a new GM comes to work, but this is all I can really hope for.

I just can't really root for their success anymore if they keep doing the same thing over and over again. They are wasting an exceptional player's career every year they decide that these people's jobs are more important than winning. So clean house or bust.



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I am not necessarily against the hiring but it's such an Oilers thing to do!!
Just like with Lucic, mgmt pined and moaned about Lucic type players for years and then when they got him he was well past his prime and the game had changed.
Same with Holland...the braintrust has emulated the Detroit model for as far back as I can remember...only problem is Detroit stopped using their own model about 5 yrs ago and has been spending close to the cap and in a rebuild for the last 2-3!!
So yeah, why not bring Holland in??!! lol
Who knows?! Good or bad nothing shocks me with the Oilers!!



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I look at what he did with their cap. Some are suggesting it was done by the owners. But that means he is just a puppet. People are over valuing his drafting over the last ten years


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As I sit back and laugh at the insane comments here I cannot but wonder who could the Oilers have hired that would not get dissed. Minus Stevie Y of course. No one.....it is a wonder no one wants to play in Canada. You guys are insane man .....


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Hahaha yes ... my thoughts as well. Kem Holland let's go of all upper management and etc.

Oilfans: I call BS Lowe is still making trades! MacT is still blending lines!



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clutchlikeeberle wrote on Mon, 06 May 2019 07:15

As I sit back and laugh at the insane comments here I cannot but wonder who could the Oilers have hired that would not get dissed. Minus Stevie Y of course. No one.....it is a wonder no one wants to play in Canada. You guys are insane man .....


Just so we are clear, Stevie Y would also have been dissed as well. No person that ever played hockey can also be a good GM .....



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