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Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling



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rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


This idea is terrible.

Going in to the playoffs, to gut our second line for three UFAs would be just a terrible idea.

The Oilers, assuming that they keep in a playoff spot until the deadline, should be looking at the deadline as buyers. That means we're trading picks and prospects to fill gaps on our roster, not blowing holes in it and seriously disrupting our chances to make any noise, while leaving a massive roster reconstruction job for the summer.



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rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:16

rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.


A backup goalie is a must.

A 2nd pairing PP defenseman would be nice, but I'm inclined to believe that's more likely to happen in the offseason... that's when these things usually happen, and perhaps especially with the expansion draft, it's worth waiting.

I would like to see them add a couple of depth forwards. Caggiula and Slepyshev have been okay-ish, but both are young, and I wouldn't mind seeing a few veterans in their place. They can stay with the club (Hendricks and Lander can be jettisoned to the AHL or return in a trade), but any two of Hanzel, Vrbata, Iginla, Jagr, etc. would be welcomed. I'd look at all those guys, feel out what the requested return is, and then make a deal that makes sense to help immediately with minimal losses for the future.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:16

rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.


Two options on PP specialist come deadline day:

1 - a guy like Barrie or Trouba shakes loose. They're better and more important than other people we may lose in the expansion draft, so we make the trade and protect them. This likely means either losing Maroon, or giving Las Vegas something (pick, prospects) to keep them from plucking him off our roster. They may very well agree to that, given that they won't have a Connor McDavid to play him with.

2 - get a guy like Shattenkirk who's a UFA-to-be. We'd have to look at him as a rental to help us drive deeper in to the playoffs. If they're able to sign him, it's a bonus, but you're not signing him until after the expansion draft is complete.



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RNH is not in long term plans, sorry but McDavid will be 1C and Draisaitl will be 2C in a near future. RNH is not good enough for a 6m third line center with 45% face off wins, is a decent 2 two way center, is not physical at all and is very hot and cold during a season. Martin Hanzal would replace him easily at half the price plus Hanzal is 6`6`` and is 55% face off wins and is only 29. In this cap structure you cannot have 5 or 6 guy making over 6M a year. Draisaitl will cost at least 6M and maybe more and McDavid will reach 10M. You already have Lucic at 6M so something has to give. Either we trade them now or one this year and the other one next year doesn't make a big difference. Eberle for Vrbata is a wash in point production but a huge save on salary. We keep him until Puljujarvi is ready. Reasoning is simple same production at half the price it is a win win. Stone is a big mobile RD shooting R, Russell is a LD shooting L but he is more of and old fashion defenseman who use the board of glass to move the puck outside the zone as for Stone he will make a pass to get it out and he is meaner than Russell that was the reasoning behind the trade and at first Hanzal and Vrbata have played together so Pouliot would adjust.


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Adam wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:30

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:16

rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.


Two options on PP specialist come deadline day:

1 - a guy like Barrie or Trouba shakes loose. They're better and more important than other people we may lose in the expansion draft, so we make the trade and protect them. This likely means either losing Maroon, or giving Las Vegas something (pick, prospects) to keep them from plucking him off our roster. They may very well agree to that, given that they won't have a Connor McDavid to play him with.

2 - get a guy like Shattenkirk who's a UFA-to-be. We'd have to look at him as a rental to help us drive deeper in to the playoffs. If they're able to sign him, it's a bonus, but you're not signing him until after the expansion draft is complete.


I'm thinking Drai is too close to his Schedule B bonus to really add anything this trade deadline. Capfriendly says we are projected to have 4.5M of space at the end of the year. McDavid is getting 2.85M for sure, Drai can get up to 2.475 if he hits his Schedule B (top 10 in points would do it, he is 12th right now). As of right now, we are set up to have a cap penalty next year if that happens.




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rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:39

RNH is not in long term plans, sorry but McDavid will be 1C and Draisaitl will be 2C in a near future. RNH is not good enough for a 6m third line center with 45% face off wins, is a decent 2 two way center, is not physical at all and is very hot and cold during a season. Martin Hanzal would replace him easily at half the price plus Hanzal is 6`6`` and is 55% face off wins and is only 29. In this cap structure you cannot have 5 or 6 guy making over 6M a year. Draisaitl will cost at least 6M and maybe more and McDavid will reach 10M. You already have Lucic at 6M so something has to give. Either we trade them now or one this year and the other one next year doesn't make a big difference. Eberle for Vrbata is a wash in point production but a huge save on salary. We keep him until Puljujarvi is ready. Reasoning is simple same production at half the price it is a win win. Stone is a big mobile RD shooting R, Russell is a LD shooting L but he is more of and old fashion defenseman who use the board of glass to move the puck outside the zone as for Stone he will make a pass to get it out and he is meaner than Russell that was the reasoning behind the trade and at first Hanzal and Vrbata have played together so Pouliot would adjust.


You don't remake your roster at the trade deadline. It's disruptive to the team and there's no big concern about the cap for this year. You should try to make your team stronger if you have a chance to win a round or four in the playoffs, and the trade you propose would not do that.

You can make an argument that the Oilers would do well to shed salary and make some big changes in the summer, but it would be foolish to do it in late February.



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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:47

Adam wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:30

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:16

rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.


Two options on PP specialist come deadline day:

1 - a guy like Barrie or Trouba shakes loose. They're better and more important than other people we may lose in the expansion draft, so we make the trade and protect them. This likely means either losing Maroon, or giving Las Vegas something (pick, prospects) to keep them from plucking him off our roster. They may very well agree to that, given that they won't have a Connor McDavid to play him with.

2 - get a guy like Shattenkirk who's a UFA-to-be. We'd have to look at him as a rental to help us drive deeper in to the playoffs. If they're able to sign him, it's a bonus, but you're not signing him until after the expansion draft is complete.


I'm thinking Drai is too close to his Schedule B bonus to really add anything this trade deadline. Capfriendly says we are projected to have 4.5M of space at the end of the year. McDavid is getting 2.85M for sure, Drai can get up to 2.475 if he hits his Schedule B (top 10 in points would do it, he is 12th right now). As of right now, we are set up to have a cap penalty next year if that happens.




We haven't put Ference on LTIR yet, have we? I imagine we still have some flexibility, even with the bonuses.

It's always worth remembering that there's only a fraction of the cap hit remaining at the trade deadline, so if you trade for a guy making $5MM a year, you're only seeing about $1MM of that hit your cap.



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Adam wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 14:52

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:47

Adam wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:30

Kr55 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:16

rrathel716 wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 13:08

Oilers have an opportunity to solidify the teams future and maybe get further into the playoffs this year. This trade is based on future only because with Draisaitl contract next year and McDavid the year after we have to start cleaning some expansive contracts.

Ryan Nugent Hopkins, Jordan Eberle and Brandon Davidson to Arizona

Radim Vrbata, Martin Hanzal, Michael Stone plus 2018 pick 2nd round

That gives us a 3rd line center with size and is good at face off. Vrbata can replace Eberle until the end of the season and Micheal Stone is a RD with puck moving ability and have a nice shot. That makes Kris Russell work for his money or trade him for picks if Stone is a better option. I have no love or hate for Russell but the future needs to take hard decisions. Stone is 26 years old, 6`3`` and 210 pounds probably more suited for western hockey. Would keep Nurse and Benning or 3rd pairing D. Hanzal and Vrbata on second line until Puljujarvi is ready then move him with McDavid and Draisaitl Center on second line and Hanzal on third line. Exposed Pouliot for Vegas expansion draft.

Arizona get good players so they are not rebuilding but retooling


I think Nuge has a long future with the Oilers still. McLellan obviously loves him, and he loves having lots of C's to play down the middle and on the wing, and Nuge has been getting much better lately. Ebs I think we stick with to until Pulju is ready to take the next step. I don't think there is a rush to trade either of those guys. Especially with McDavid and Drai playing so well together.

My guess on the deadline would be Chia tries to get a decent backup goalie for cheap from a team out of the race that might want to tank more. Hopefully a 3rd or 4th rounder is enough. That should help get through the rest of the year and we take our chances in the playoffs. Wish he could try to go after a 2nd pairing PP specialist Dman, but the expansion draft makes that hard to do this year.


Two options on PP specialist come deadline day:

1 - a guy like Barrie or Trouba shakes loose. They're better and more important than other people we may lose in the expansion draft, so we make the trade and protect them. This likely means either losing Maroon, or giving Las Vegas something (pick, prospects) to keep them from plucking him off our roster. They may very well agree to that, given that they won't have a Connor McDavid to play him with.

2 - get a guy like Shattenkirk who's a UFA-to-be. We'd have to look at him as a rental to help us drive deeper in to the playoffs. If they're able to sign him, it's a bonus, but you're not signing him until after the expansion draft is complete.


I'm thinking Drai is too close to his Schedule B bonus to really add anything this trade deadline. Capfriendly says we are projected to have 4.5M of space at the end of the year. McDavid is getting 2.85M for sure, Drai can get up to 2.475 if he hits his Schedule B (top 10 in points would do it, he is 12th right now). As of right now, we are set up to have a cap penalty next year if that happens.




We haven't put Ference on LTIR yet, have we? I imagine we still have some flexibility, even with the bonuses.

It's always worth remembering that there's only a fraction of the cap hit remaining at the trade deadline, so if you trade for a guy making $5MM a year, you're only seeing about $1MM of that hit your cap.


I don't think LTIR helps with the bonuses at the end of the year. Think LTIR is only useful when you have no cap space and need to go over to fill out your roster. Think that is a really bad situation for any team with big bonuses lined up.

Not sure how exactly it would work out, but right now, it looks like any salary we take on has potential to be added to our penalty next year if Drai cracks the top 10 in scoring. We would be over already without doing anything.



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Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't bonuses already factored into the team's cap hit? I thought that was a requirement at the start of the season.


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welcometotheOC wrote on Fri, 27 January 2017 19:14

Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't bonuses already factored into the team's cap hit? I thought that was a requirement at the start of the season.


The base salary only counts to limit the cap hit of your roster. You can exceed the cap including bonuses, but if you do that you are taking a risk. If the bonuses you actually pay out at the end of the year plus your base cap hit exceeds the cap, the excess carries over next year as a penalty.



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I'd be targeting Trouba, I think he would be an amazing addition to how we play.
I'd start my offer with Davidson and a high pick, work from there.

Also I think we should bring in some vet experience for this playoff run as we are so young.. Connor is phenomenal and another player that is would be Jagr.
I think the two would create some magic.

Then we really need a backup because if anything happens to Cam, it's gonna be worse than when Rollie went down :,( Neuverth is a nice option but there's many that I'm sure could be had cheap.

Lastly it would be a dream to get a shut down third line centre.. someone LIKE Charlie Coyle, clearly not him as The Wild look amazing but someone who plays that style.



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We have 3 positions we could upgrade before the trade deadline without disturbing the overall chemistry. Back-up goaltending, 3rd line center & depth Dman. I suggest the following:

Kieth Kinkaid (NJ) for a 3rd rd pick
Brian Boyle (TB) for Oesterle & 5th rd pick
Cody Franson (BUF) for 4th rd pick

These aren't exciting, but they give us depth, fill some holes & give depth for injuries

It also allows the coach to move Caggula & Sleppy to spots where he feels they can be best managed for minutes/effectiveness. Kinkaid is a decent back up & Broissant can go back and play lots of minutes in the AHL. Franson is a # 5/6 Dman & is a righ handed shot with some size.

We also don't blow our minds giving away high assets for the 1st time being in the playoffs in a decade.



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I've seen Brian Boyle's name come up a couple of times. Is he on the block/available? Man, to add another big center who also has major playoff experience would be nice for the final stretch.


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WhoreableGuy wrote on Sat, 28 January 2017 13:05

I've seen Brian Boyle's name come up a couple of times. Is he on the block/available? Man, to add another big center who also has major playoff experience would be nice for the final stretch.


He is UFA this summer so most think he is available. Yes he would be a very good addition on that 3rd line & he is over 50% on face offs.



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Boyle would be a great pick up. I just think the for this season at least, the McDavid - Draisaitl combination is just too good to break up. So when the bullets are flying in the playoffs, I don't know if you want a rookie playing a newish position as your 3rd line center in Caggulia.

Another interesting guy that I don't think anyone has talked about is Stafford. The Oilers could use from depth on the right wing. He's a UFA at the end of this season. Baring a miracle, I don't see the Jets making the playoffs. The Jets GM loves his draft picks and prospects and I can't see Chevy letting a UFA walk for nothing.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 30 January 2017 10:56

Boyle would be a great pick up. I just think the for this season at least, the McDavid - Draisaitl combination is just too good to break up. So when the bullets are flying in the playoffs, I don't know if you want a rookie playing a newish position as your 3rd line center in Caggulia.

Another interesting guy that I don't think anyone has talked about is Stafford. The Oilers could use from depth on the right wing. He's a UFA at the end of this season. Baring a miracle, I don't see the Jets making the playoffs. The Jets GM loves his draft picks and prospects and I can't see Chevy letting a UFA walk for nothing.


Very good point re: Stafford and the Jets. Some depth on RW would go along way as well. Could argue bringing in Boyle (or similar 3C[Hanzal perhaps]) would allow Caggulia to provide depth for the RW. But you can't have too much depth!

I'm interested to see this team with Nurse healthy and back in the line up as well.



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Another guy that not a lot of people mention is Vanek. The chances of the Wings making the playoffs this season are pretty slim. They are listed at 1.6% chance of making it. http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
Vanek is a UFA. He's 33 and the Wings need to get younger so I doubt he's in the plans long term. He plays left or right wing but is a right shot. He only makes 2.6 mill and is having a decent season 37GP 12 goals - 31 pts. Holland is a good GM so no way he lets Vanek walk for nothing. The only thing is he's never been the best skater.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 09:02

Another guy that not a lot of people mention is Vanek. The chances of the Wings making the playoffs this season are pretty slim. They are listed at 1.6% chance of making it. http://www.sportsclubstats.com/NHL.html
Vanek is a UFA. He's 33 and the Wings need to get younger so I doubt he's in the plans long term. He plays left or right wing but is a right shot. He only makes 2.6 mill and is having a decent season 37GP 12 goals - 31 pts. Holland is a good GM so no way he lets Vanek walk for nothing. The only thing is he's never been the best skater.


Vanek is ok, but I would suggest we get a 3rd line center vs 3rd line RW unless the prices for centers is too much. If we get a 3rd line center (Hello Boyle) than you can move Caggula or Sleppy to the RW. That gives us a lot more depth & doesn't depend on a rookie as your 3rd line center.

I think Vanek is a little too much of a perimeter player for my liking. He has a good shot, but I don't think he wants to go into the greasy areas, doesn't battle hard for pucks/positioning & he backs off quick when the physicality ramps up. When the playoffs are on these are 3 areas that gets tougher every round, thus i see better options over him as long as the prices to acquire aren't too crazy.



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I'd still like to see something like Fayne and a pick or something like that for Halak. Cap hits are close (and both under contract next year) and we would get who I believe would be the best available "backup" for this year and next. Not to mention stellar post season numbers with the Habs and Isles.




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Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


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Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.



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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.

If Talbot goes down is there a backup goalie out there that can provide results at even a replacement level of goaltending? Can Halak win a playoff round this year? Conklin? McBackup? LB? As far as the Oilers go, it's Talbot or bust.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.

If Talbot goes down is there a backup goalie out there that can provide results at even a replacement level of goaltending? Can Halak win a playoff round this year? Conklin? McBackup? LB? As far as the Oilers go, it's Talbot or bust.


I think the probability of a Talbot injury increases with the number of games he's asked to play down the stretch. Getting someone competent who could give him every fourth game off could make a big difference.

I don't believe Brossoit is going to be that guy, and I don't think the Oilers coaches are going to be any more comfortable using Brossoit than they were with Gustavsson. Halak would be an upgrade (although his contract for next year is problematic). There may be others that shake loose as we approach the deadline.

If, for example, Calgary drops off over the next month, both of their guys are UFA-to-be so could be decent targets. Both are much better than what we have sitting on the bench currently...



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 14:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.

If Talbot goes down is there a backup goalie out there that can provide results at even a replacement level of goaltending? Can Halak win a playoff round this year? Conklin? McBackup? LB? As far as the Oilers go, it's Talbot or bust.


I'd have more faith in Halak than LB. He hasn't done that great this year, but he has shown that he can rise to the occasion in the playoffs.

If not Halak, we need someone ready to go on the bench if we make the playoffs, but also someone to allow Talbot to take a few games off down the stretch.



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Adam wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.

If Talbot goes down is there a backup goalie out there that can provide results at even a replacement level of goaltending? Can Halak win a playoff round this year? Conklin? McBackup? LB? As far as the Oilers go, it's Talbot or bust.


I think the probability of a Talbot injury increases with the number of games he's asked to play down the stretch. Getting someone competent who could give him every fourth game off could make a big difference.

I don't believe Brossoit is going to be that guy, and I don't think the Oilers coaches are going to be any more comfortable using Brossoit than they were with Gustavsson. Halak would be an upgrade (although his contract for next year is problematic). There may be others that shake loose as we approach the deadline.

If, for example, Calgary drops off over the next month, both of their guys are UFA-to-be so could be decent targets. Both are much better than what we have sitting on the bench currently...


I don't think the Oilers should blow their minds going after someone, but I think it should be one of the easiest positions to pick up a cheap upgrade. I don't think they need to go after Ben Bishop, MA Fleury, or Jimmy Howard for example.

Keith Kinkaid, Chad Johnson, and Anders Nilsson... none are world beaters, none will steal games, but all are having good seasons in the backup role and likely are better than Gustavsson or Brossoit. All will be available at the deadline, and very likely not cost much more than a fifth or sixth round pick. To me, that's worth it.

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mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:39

Adam wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:30

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:17

mightyreasoner wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 11:15

CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 31 January 2017 10:58

Do the Oilers need to acquire a backup for this season now? For all intents and purposes they've secured a playoff spot already and I count 4 back to backs remaining. I don't see that acquisition as a strong use of assets until the summer.


If we can remember all the way back to our last playoff run, having someone ready to step in off the bench is very, very important.

If not Halak, there should be some expiring contract that can be a playoff rental that shouldn't break the bank. But flipping Fayne's contract for something useful definitely is an intriguing idea for me, and MAYBE something the Islanders might consider given their circumstances.

If Talbot goes down is there a backup goalie out there that can provide results at even a replacement level of goaltending? Can Halak win a playoff round this year? Conklin? McBackup? LB? As far as the Oilers go, it's Talbot or bust.


I think the probability of a Talbot injury increases with the number of games he's asked to play down the stretch. Getting someone competent who could give him every fourth game off could make a big difference.

I don't believe Brossoit is going to be that guy, and I don't think the Oilers coaches are going to be any more comfortable using Brossoit than they were with Gustavsson. Halak would be an upgrade (although his contract for next year is problematic). There may be others that shake loose as we approach the deadline.

If, for example, Calgary drops off over the next month, both of their guys are UFA-to-be so could be decent targets. Both are much better than what we have sitting on the bench currently...


I don't think the Oilers should blow their minds going after someone, but I think it should be one of the easiest positions to pick up a cheap upgrade. I don't think they need to go after Ben Bishop, MA Fleury, or Jimmy Howard for example.

Keith Kinkaid, Chad Johnson, and Anders Nilsson... none are world beaters, none will steal games, but all are having good seasons in the backup role and likely are better than Gustavsson or Brossoit. All will be available at the deadline, and very likely not cost much more than a fifth or sixth round pick. To me, that's worth it.

If we're dropping a 5th or a 6th, fine, do it. But if the Oilers are looking to acquire something that can be found with a late round draft pick, it's not a priority. If the Oilers get the best backup available, what's the potential increase in points and rest for Talbot? An extra 2 points and 2 games of rest?



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I think we, of all fans, know the importance of a reliable backup for the playoffs. We haven't seen the playoffs for 10 years, so this memory is still fresh. I'm all for getting solid guy to play behind General Talbot. Like Reimer did for San Jose last year. Ondrej Pavelec and Brian Elliott are two more options as UFA's to-be that could be had likely cheaply.


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I know in this thread people have thrown out UFA's as possible trade chips. I think most agree the Oilers could use some RW help and maybe a 3rd line center. Would anyone consider maybe going after Joe Colbourne from the Avs?

The Avs are a train wreck. Colbourne signed a 2 yr, 5 mill deal after coming off a great year with the Flames. He's been a disaster. But could this be another Pat Maroon type trade? He's really big but skates pretty well. He's got a physical edge to his game. He can play all the forward position. He scored 19 goals last year and was drafted #16 overall so he has to have some ability. He just turned 27 so he should have lots of game left.

I am sure some people will immediately mention the extra year on his contract and the expansion draft. I am taking that into account but for me it all depends on what the Oilers have to give up to get him. Maroon was an underachieving player on the Ducks and the Oilers got him for a 4th and Gernat. The chances of a 4th making the NHL is extremely low and Gernat was a dead end prospect. If you go look at the tsn description of Maroon and compare it to Colbourne, they are a lot a like and Colbourne I think skates better. Maroon this season is going to score 20+ goals. I wouldn't be willing to give the Avs anymore than the Maroon package for Colbourne.

To get a guy like say Hanzal will cost you a ton but maybe you can get a Colbourne for WAY less. Now it's a risk that Vegas might pick a Colbourne but if they do, is that the end of the world? If the acquisition cost for some playoff center depth to take over Caggulia's spot is a 4th rounder (who's probably nothing more than an AHLer) and a never will be prospect, for me who cares. If they have a Colbourne and he gets picked by Vegas, that saves losing a Davidson. If he doesn't get pick, you have the potential to have your 3rd line center for next year signed to an affordable contract who could be a diamond in the rough and it cost you nothing. I am just spit balling but I think they could use some center depth because I don't like the idea of Caggulia being your 3rd line center in the playoffs. I don't think he's ready. The ideal guy for me is Hanzal but I the Oilers aren't in a position YET to be a legit contender where they can afford to be giving really good assets for a rental.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 February 2017 11:42

I know in this thread people have thrown out UFA's as possible trade chips. I think most agree the Oilers could use some RW help and maybe a 3rd line center. Would anyone consider maybe going after Joe Colbourne from the Avs?


I remember a month ago my friends who are Flames fans laughing that Colburne had 3 goals on the season and they all came in the very 1st game of the season.

I just checked now since you brought his name up and he's still sitting at 3 goals. 37 games without a goal.

I'm sure he could be had for cheap, he actually has playoff experience (had a great 1st round against the Canucks a couple of years ago). I think there are better options though.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Thu, 02 February 2017 10:52

RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 02 February 2017 11:42

I know in this thread people have thrown out UFA's as possible trade chips. I think most agree the Oilers could use some RW help and maybe a 3rd line center. Would anyone consider maybe going after Joe Colbourne from the Avs?


I remember a month ago my friends who are Flames fans laughing that Colburne had 3 goals on the season and they all came in the very 1st game of the season.

I just checked now since you brought his name up and he's still sitting at 3 goals. 37 games without a goal.

I'm sure he could be had for cheap, he actually has playoff experience (had a great 1st round against the Canucks a couple of years ago). I think there are better options though.


How is he defensively? Could he potentially be a 3rd line C, PK, Shut down guy?
Alternatively, could he be an upgrade on Pouliot?



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How about Mike Green? One year left at $6MM, he could be just what the Oilers need to push them over on D. Since Davidson seems to be the center of all rumors, how about Davidson and a pick? I'd never trade a first, so how about Davidson and a 2nd? That enough?


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I guess the question I have is why would Detroit trade their top scoring dman? I know they are bad but they aren't exactly loaded on defense either.

I don't mind the idea of Green as he would address a few needs like a right shooting, PP guy that can play in your top 4. At 6 mill his contract isn't horrible and with only 1 yr left, you aren't stuck with him in case it doesn't go well. I just see them trading for a guy like that though prior to the expansion draft. Then you'd have to protect him.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 11:43

I guess the question I have is why would Detroit trade their top scoring dman? I know they are bad but they aren't exactly loaded on defense either.

I don't mind the idea of Green as he would address a few needs like a right shooting, PP guy that can play in your top 4. At 6 mill his contract isn't horrible and with only 1 yr left, you aren't stuck with him in case it doesn't go well. I just see them trading for a guy like that though prior to the expansion draft. Then you'd have to protect him.


http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/1/8/14164374/detroit-r ed-wings-trade-bait-mike-green

Nothing concrete here, but it seems like the Detroit media has at least thought of the possibility. Article is a month old however, so may not be relevant anymore.

I didn't catch that Green has a NTC too, that could make it more difficult.

As for the XD, protecting 4-4 means the Oilers likely lose Maroon, but if it's a case of having that top-4 RHD PP D-man that they need, I think I'm ok with that trade off.



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OilPeg wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 11:43

I guess the question I have is why would Detroit trade their top scoring dman? I know they are bad but they aren't exactly loaded on defense either.

I don't mind the idea of Green as he would address a few needs like a right shooting, PP guy that can play in your top 4. At 6 mill his contract isn't horrible and with only 1 yr left, you aren't stuck with him in case it doesn't go well. I just see them trading for a guy like that though prior to the expansion draft. Then you'd have to protect him.


http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/1/8/14164374/detroit-r ed-wings-trade-bait-mike-green

Nothing concrete here, but it seems like the Detroit media has at least thought of the possibility. Article is a month old however, so may not be relevant anymore.

I didn't catch that Green has a NTC too, that could make it more difficult.

As for the XD, protecting 4-4 means the Oilers likely lose Maroon, but if it's a case of having that top-4 RHD PP D-man that they need, I think I'm ok with that trade off.


I see the Oilers making a play for a dman like a Green after the expansion draft. I see losing a guy like Maroon who can play up and down your lines, produce and the fact he is cheap as a big time loss for the Oilers. I also see them trading one of Nuge or Eberle as they have McDavid and Draisaitl to pay and I think those 2 make way too much for what they bring.

I could maybe see a trade of Green for Nuge +. I don't think Nuge has enough value to get Green straight up. They lost Datsyk, Zetterberg is getting long in the tooth so they could probably use some center help.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 12:04

OilPeg wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 10:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 08 February 2017 11:43

I guess the question I have is why would Detroit trade their top scoring dman? I know they are bad but they aren't exactly loaded on defense either.

I don't mind the idea of Green as he would address a few needs like a right shooting, PP guy that can play in your top 4. At 6 mill his contract isn't horrible and with only 1 yr left, you aren't stuck with him in case it doesn't go well. I just see them trading for a guy like that though prior to the expansion draft. Then you'd have to protect him.


http://www.wingingitinmotown.com/2017/1/8/14164374/detroit-r ed-wings-trade-bait-mike-green

Nothing concrete here, but it seems like the Detroit media has at least thought of the possibility. Article is a month old however, so may not be relevant anymore.

I didn't catch that Green has a NTC too, that could make it more difficult.

As for the XD, protecting 4-4 means the Oilers likely lose Maroon, but if it's a case of having that top-4 RHD PP D-man that they need, I think I'm ok with that trade off.


I see the Oilers making a play for a dman like a Green after the expansion draft. I see losing a guy like Maroon who can play up and down your lines, produce and the fact he is cheap as a big time loss for the Oilers. I also see them trading one of Nuge or Eberle as they have McDavid and Draisaitl to pay and I think those 2 make way too much for what they bring.

I could maybe see a trade of Green for Nuge +. I don't think Nuge has enough value to get Green straight up. They lost Datsyk, Zetterberg is getting long in the tooth so they could probably use some center help.


One year of Green for 4 years of Nuge with the + going on the Nuge side? Salaries are even, but I'm not sure that's equal value. I think Nuge should be worth more in spite of his lackluster season. Hard to say though.



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