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Re: Pregame: Winnipeg @ Edmonton (Game #2) [message #785837 is a reply to message #785831 ]	Fri, 21 May 2021 18:53

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 21 May 2021 10:53

I'd be demanding my players to take healthy runs at Ehlers and Dubios early and often. There own teammates were literally not allowed to touch them 2 days ago in a morning skate. I don't see how they go from don't get close to them to completely healthy and fully ready for contact in 2 days.

Exactly.. make them hear footsteps.. all game.
You can add Pionk and a few others to that list..

Hopefully the coaching staff has more sense than this.
The Oilers arent built for heavy hockey. They didnt get to the playoffs on heavy hockey.

If they try to do this now it will lead to a loss, damn near guaranteed. Play physical sure, but if they start trying to target players they are;
1. Likely to take penalties, 2. not going to score many goals 3. get scored on first and be playing from behind all the time.
All of this equals heading to WPG down 2-0

The Oilers advantage over teams is speed. Why would they try to slow the game down with a physical style that doesnt suit them? The myth that you have to increase hits and play more physical if you want a cup is BS.
Play is tighter and gets more physical but there is a difference between forechecking a little harder or playing your man a little tighter and running guys.

Lastly, if the Oilers start that kind of style they dont have the horses to back it up. If this turns into a scrappy, piles of scrums, push and shove series the Oilers are double screwed.
The team isnt tough and trying to pretend they are would be a sign of panic. They are the more skilled team, they should be controlling the flow and pace of the game and have the Jets holding on and trying to keep up.

All they have to do is finish checks, like Archibald, reduce Wpg's time to think, cause errors, Dubois isn't 100%, test his resolve to compete through injury.

That I am ok with. Asking people to finish checks should be part of being a hockey player for many guys. Some just arent the type and are what they are but for most guys that is just proper hockey.
My issue is with people implying that crash and bang hockey should be the new team identity and it just isnt going to happen.

Every skilled team that wins a Stanley Cup and wades its way though all the BS on the way to hoisting the Cup has to change the way they approach things in the playoffs from a physicality standpoint. Every one of them. Tampa, Washington, Pittsburgh, teams with super high end players that didn't really scare anyone physically during the regular season.

Edmonton will as well, if they want to go deep. If they do, they change the way Wpg has to play, and maybe the way the refs manage the game. If special teams come into play and it's distributed fairly, advantage Edmonton.

I am not saying you need to play non-contact hockey.
I said this "Asking people to finish checks should be part of being a hockey player for many guys." in my last post.

This mentality I was disagreeing with is that we become a physical first team. A rough, tough incarnation of team that wasnt built for it.
I could go back through a bunch of posts, tweets etc and find a lot that say something simiiar but here are a couple;
"I'd be demanding my players to take healthy runs at Ehlers and Dubios early and often."
Demanding runs at players isnt upping the physicality. It is brute hockey. Added bonus, do it at two players that are good but not likely to be game changers overall

"Exactly.. make them hear footsteps.. all game.
You can add Pionk and a few others to that list.."

Sure, double down, run everyone, no problem. Who do we think is going to do that? Kassian has thrown only a handful of decent hits this season. Archibald can bump and for his size is great but he isnt exactly intimidating anyone. Nurse, larsson, bear, any D? Sure some might connect but more likely they run themselves out of the play and allow a two on one. This group is the one that can play tougher, get in the corners, in front of the net, etc, but not taking runs at guys early and often.

That is just from this thread. I am not trying to pick on RDOF and Skook. There are dozens and dozens on twitter and a few more in here looking for runs, blood, footsteps etc. I said earlier the team isnt built for that.
You are right, cup winners usually can turn that on. I dont think the Oilers can which is why the realist in me doesnt expect them to get out of the North.

When I said it earlier, Adam asked, if not for this what is the bottom six built for? Great question, From a matchup, strategy, style of play, I really have no idea what the recipe was they were following but it seems like a bunch of random ingredients with no plan.

Happy about that or not, it is the team we have to cheer for right now. I stand by my statement that they will have a much better chance to win playing high speed, up tempo offence combined with stable low risk defense.

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Pregame: Winnipeg @ Edmonton (Game #2)	By: OilFans on Fri, 21 May 2021 02:00
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