Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 19:06

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:00 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:56 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:42 Adam wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 17:03 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:59 Rishaug confirming that Coffey's roll as assistant is only temporary.. which make sense.. I doubt the guy wants to be on the road all year doing an NHL coaching gig at this point in his life... Training wheels!!! When your training wheels probably also need training wheels. To be fair I think Coffey is pretty smart with regards to hockey strategy and defensive systems.. we'll see if there is any impact.. they still have Mark Stuart as D-coach.. I doubt Coffey will be running the show. We'll see how these players handle the shock of an in season change.. .. hopefully its a positive reaction. Its a player re-set.. clean slate.. everyone is re-evaluated.. the favoured and un-favoured start fresh. Not sure if Coffey has actually done a thing at any level of hockey outside his playing career to suggest he has proven NHL level coaching ability. A team lacking defensive structure ... does Coffey's career suggest he is the man to solve that? Is it like Gretzky trying to teach guys as a coach? Think super talented players make terrible coaches a lot of the time because they don't grasp how limited typical players are in what they can process on the ice and what they can do with the puck. Guess we will see though. Same kind of gamble we have made forever with ex Oilers. Did work out here and there with coaches at least in the past. Took the same gamble with Woodcroft originally.. turned out well.. for a while..

Woodcraft was around NHL coaching for over a decade though. Coffey coached Jr A for his kids team (got in trouble and was almost banned from the league) and did some zoom calls with our AHL D once a week for a nice 500k payday.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:51

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 19:06 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:00 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:56 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:42 Adam wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 17:03 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:59 Rishaug confirming that Coffey's roll as assistant is only temporary.. which make sense.. I doubt the guy wants to be on the road all year doing an NHL coaching gig at this point in his life... Training wheels!!! When your training wheels probably also need training wheels. To be fair I think Coffey is pretty smart with regards to hockey strategy and defensive systems.. we'll see if there is any impact.. they still have Mark Stuart as D-coach.. I doubt Coffey will be running the show. We'll see how these players handle the shock of an in season change.. .. hopefully its a positive reaction. Its a player re-set.. clean slate.. everyone is re-evaluated.. the favoured and un-favoured start fresh. Not sure if Coffey has actually done a thing at any level of hockey outside his playing career to suggest he has proven NHL level coaching ability. A team lacking defensive structure ... does Coffey's career suggest he is the man to solve that? Is it like Gretzky trying to teach guys as a coach? Think super talented players make terrible coaches a lot of the time because they don't grasp how limited typical players are in what they can process on the ice and what they can do with the puck. Guess we will see though. Same kind of gamble we have made forever with ex Oilers. Did work out here and there with coaches at least in the past. Took the same gamble with Woodcroft originally.. turned out well.. for a while.. Woodcraft was around NHL coaching for over a decade though..

..although to be fair.. being "around" head coaching isn't the same as being a HC.. Woody was only a HC for 3.5 years while at Bakersfield prior to getting appointed the Oiler duties mid season...

He did win a championship while there.. but the AHL is a development league.. rosters skill levels can vary quite a bit.. so AHL team success isn't always a direct comparable for coaching abilities.. a better factor might be if there's consistent improvement of the young players.. not aware how the NYR prospects have turned out after going through Hartford.. but NYR's seem to be doing OK..

Knobber has been a head coach since 2010-2011.. except for his 2 years as an NHL assistant in Philly.. where the HC was Haksol (now with Kraken)..

We shall see what we shall see.. it is what it is.. c'est la vie.. que sera, sera.. etcetera ... etcetera ...

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 22:53

Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:51 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 19:06 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:00 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 18:56 Kr55 wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:42 Adam wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 17:03 Skookum Jim wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:59 Rishaug confirming that Coffey's roll as assistant is only temporary.. which make sense.. I doubt the guy wants to be on the road all year doing an NHL coaching gig at this point in his life... Training wheels!!! When your training wheels probably also need training wheels. To be fair I think Coffey is pretty smart with regards to hockey strategy and defensive systems.. we'll see if there is any impact.. they still have Mark Stuart as D-coach.. I doubt Coffey will be running the show. We'll see how these players handle the shock of an in season change.. .. hopefully its a positive reaction. Its a player re-set.. clean slate.. everyone is re-evaluated.. the favoured and un-favoured start fresh. Not sure if Coffey has actually done a thing at any level of hockey outside his playing career to suggest he has proven NHL level coaching ability. A team lacking defensive structure ... does Coffey's career suggest he is the man to solve that? Is it like Gretzky trying to teach guys as a coach? Think super talented players make terrible coaches a lot of the time because they don't grasp how limited typical players are in what they can process on the ice and what they can do with the puck. Guess we will see though. Same kind of gamble we have made forever with ex Oilers. Did work out here and there with coaches at least in the past. Took the same gamble with Woodcroft originally.. turned out well.. for a while.. Woodcraft was around NHL coaching for over a decade though.. ..although to be fair.. being "around" head coaching isn't the same as being a HC.. Woody was only a HC for 3.5 years while at Bakersfield prior to getting appointed the Oiler duties mid season... He did win a championship while there.. but the AHL is a development league.. rosters skill levels can vary quite a bit.. so AHL team success isn't always a direct comparable for coaching abilities.. a better factor might be if there's consistent improvement of the young players.. not aware how the NYR prospects have turned out after going through Hartford.. but NYR's seem to be doing OK.. Knobber has been a head coach since 2010-2011.. except for his 2 years as an NHL assistant in Philly.. where the HC was Haksol (now with Kraken).. We shall see what we shall see.. it is what it is.. c'est la vie.. que sera, sera.. etcetera ... etcetera ...

Knoblauch could be good. When he was first mentioned as a possibility he barely had any pro-league experience under his belt. Mentioned again after Tippet out, had more experience. Now he's had another 2 years on top of that. Lots of NHL coaches have similar build ups to getting a shot. I think it's safe to say his history with McDavid is the reason he was on the radar all this time, and finally, when we are at max desperation, we finally draw that card. Hail mary for the coach bump, and also the bonus of being one of the most impactful people in McDavid's hockey life. Considering the stakes, hiring a totally inexperienced NHL HC, I think they are leaning far harder to pleasing McDavid than anything else.

Coffey, bleh. Zero in-season pro-coaching experience. Zero management experience. One of the biggest shortcut takers to work their way up of all OBC members. He was sitting next to Katz at the top of the org, and suddenly he's a temp assistant NHL coach. I'm guessing Katz is looking to him to give an assessment of what it happening in the room. Special assignment from the king himself. Similar to what MacT claimed he would do with Todd Nelson, before he concluded David Perron was the poison that needed to be purged to get the team back on track (ending with us drafting McDavid and MacT being fired).

[Updated on: Mon, 13 November 2023 00:00]

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

[Updated on: Mon, 13 November 2023 11:43]

Illegitimi non carborundum.

Refuse to click on spector article links, but found this funny excerpt. Spec working on some ego repair.


Dennis King @DKingBH

Even for Spec, this is a lot:) No need to make himself part of the story. Why include Katz?:) How has life in the NHL been unfair to him? He deserves what he gets ever since he let Nicholson hire a second GM

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

Kr55 wrote on Mon, 13 November 2023 00:27

Adam wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 16:33 g2k wrote on Sun, 12 November 2023 15:06 This shock and awe might be the off-ramp for Holland to say he’s stepping down. He’s apparently not involved anymore anyway. Or he can hang around doing nothing so he gets bank while even more people wonder why he’s still here. He sounds pretty involved from the press conference. Did a huge amount of the speaking. He's clearly less intelligent than Jeff Jackson. Asked about the player's input, he says that he talked to a few in the last week on what was going on but that he wouldn't share what they said. Jackson then said NO player was consulted on firing Woodcroft or hiring the new coach. The management seems so disjointed here though. I mean, it sounds like they only had one name on their list here, and that they didn't decide to do something until after San Jose. I don't get the sense they spent a whole lot of time thinking about why Cris Knoblauch changes anything - other than Holland thought that last time he fired the coach, the team responded well, sooo... And #$%&ing Spector asking about accountability - he just wants Bouchard benched so badly! Holland didn't really bite on that one though. Talked about how the 21-man roster makes it harder for the coach to sit people. Said he was fine with the reasons Woody didn't make a big show of benching anyone. Knoblauch didn't really bite either - talked about how he doesn't want players playing in fear of mistakes. Only thing he mentioned is the old cliche about ice time as currency. That's not much of a soundbite though. Poor Spec. That article isn't going to write itself today - although you know he's pumped to slam Woodcroft today. I watched the whole press conference just now. I will say, like most Oilers pressers, there isn't even a plan of communication, never mind a bigger management plan. There's no comfort or confidence that you can glean from watching these bozos talk. And typical Edmonton media - no one asked any hard questions about whether management should be carrying the blame rather than the head coach. No one mentioned the goaltending, or the goaltending coach either. Or, for that matter, how Gulutzan ends up with his fourth head coach here? Has to be amazing to come in as a new head coach and be told that you're stuck with almost everyone because they're good team guys - oh, and the one extra position? The owner's mole will play that role. We better get on benching Bouch quick. Guy is out of control. Look at this bum at even strength the last 5 games: CF 69.72% SF 69.57% GF 66.67% xGF 70.33% HDCF 65.91% PDO 0.993 Look at what this bum did without being punished.

Spector DID let his hurt feelings leak out in his article today:




What an infantile twit.

"Thinking that a bad team's best players are the reason the team is bad is the "Tambellini re-signing Lennart Petrell" of sports opinions." @Woodguy55
#FireLowe #FireBobbyNicks #FireKenHolland #FireKeithGretzky

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

"We need to get better immediately. That starts today"
- Lowe, 2013

"Next year I would forecast as another developmental year"
- MacT, 2015

5 x $5,000,000

McDAVID! Oh YEAH Baby!!
Tic-Tac-Tao!
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World
P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.