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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Colorado (Game #81) [message #820873 is a reply to message #820866 ]	Wed, 12 April 2023 15:21

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Adam wrote on Wed, 12 April 2023 13:22

Mike wrote on Wed, 12 April 2023 06:08

And about the Calder - I'm obviously biased, but I really don't get the talk that Beniers is a shoe in. I mean I believe he will win in a landslide because the Oilers are never allowed to have a Calder winner, but I don't think he should.

More often than not, the top rookie point scorer will get the nod. But Beniers' .722Pts/Gm would be the lowest in a decade. You have to go back to 2013 when Yakupov and Huberdeau each had .646 (Huberdeau won and Yakupov wasn't even a finalist).

And the previous year, Landeskog won the Calder with 52 points in 82 games for .634. Somehow RNH with 52 in 62 games (.84Pts/Gm) was a fairly distant 2nd in voting.

Since 2000, those are the only 2 Calder winners with lower pt/gm numbers than what Beniers will finish with, and even then, Landeskog and RNH were tied for 86th overall, and Huberdeau and Yakupov 75th. Currently, Beniers is tied for 97th overall in points. His season is really not anything special IMO.

In 2010 Duchene led with .679 and the Calder went to Tyler Myers. 2004 Ryder had .778 and the Calder went to Raycroft. Zetterberg in 2003 only had .557, Calder went to Jackan, and Brad Richards had .756 in 2001, and the trophy went to Nabokov.

Nabokov 32-21-7, 2.19, .915 won handily over Brad Richard and his 62 points.
Raycroft 29-18-9, 2.05, .926 won easily over Ryder and his 63 points
Mason 33-20-7,-2.29, .916 in a landslide over Bobby Ryan and his 57 points (in only 64 games)

To me - the case to vote for Skinner's 28-14-5, 2.76, .914 over Beniers' likely sub 60 point campaign is quite easy. Especially how Skinner has played the last month and half or so. 4 straight games now with 1 or fewer GA. 13-2-1 in his last 16.

While I agree with all this, what about Logan Thompson? Slightly less games played, slightly better stats. Some injury issues or he'd probably have played as much or more.

I think those two are really close.

Just to add to the case for Skinner. I think he had a much tougher year than Thompson had to deal with. Ending up top 10 in goals saved above average 5v5 is pretty darn impressive. He had to play behind a team that was pretty stinky defensively for the first half of this year. Offensively too, as we seemed to only want to score goals with Campbell in net for the first few months of the year. Probably just a coincidence, but one that just kept working against Skinner for a long time. Thompson also didn't play more than half the games for his team. Skinner had to take over a starter role after our big money guy was struggling and stuck it out all year. Landeskog/Nuge and McDavid/Panarin rules say being injured is a black mark on your Calder chances, sorry Thompson :)

ALl that said, it's always hard for voters to not just default to the best offensive player for the Calder. Hopefully Skinner is getting some love, but wouldn't be surprised if Beniers gets it.

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