Brett Kulak re-signing with Oilers [message #810466] |
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No issue for AAV and term for a tweener 2/3 pairing guy who played well last year and is 28.
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4 yrs. 2.75 per. What is going on here!!
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Thats about $13 million of $15 million spent. Not much left.
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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:15 | Thats about $13 million of $15 million spent. Not much left.
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We can go 10% over the cap during the summer, so plenty of time to get rid of salary to sign a few more players :P
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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 12:15 | Thats about $13 million of $15 million spent. Not much left.
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Thought it "was" (not now) around 19-20 mil left to spend after Mike Smith's potential LTIR and Keith's retirement?
If it was 19-20 mil, remaining 6-7 mil has to be used to resign Yamo/McLeod/JP....
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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 11:23 |
NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 12:15 | Thats about $13 million of $15 million spent. Not much left.
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Thought it "was" (not now) around 19-20 mil left to spend after Mike Smith's potential LTIR and Keith's retirement?
If it was 19-20 mil, remaining 6-7 mil has to be used to resign Yamo/McLeod/JP....
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CapFriendly says $2.24 million left.
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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 11:27 |
kungpaobenji27 wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 11:23 |
NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 12:15 | Thats about $13 million of $15 million spent. Not much left.
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Thought it "was" (not now) around 19-20 mil left to spend after Mike Smith's potential LTIR and Keith's retirement?
If it was 19-20 mil, remaining 6-7 mil has to be used to resign Yamo/McLeod/JP....
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CapFriendly says $2.24 million left.
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Add in Smith and Klefbom is another $6.3M
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Does this include LTIR money from Klefbom and Smith? Looking at capgeek and it says we have 2.25 mil left but not sure about LTIR? I read we had 22 mil with LTIR. Can anyone clarify for me?
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4*2.75 according to the radio
Not a bad raise for him. The Oilers are running out of money.
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:16 | 4*2.75 according to the radio
Not a bad raise for him. The Oilers are running out of money.
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They have about 8.6 million after LTIR is used, I believe.
McLeod, Yamamoto, and Puljujarvi are the RFAs left. Enough to sign all of those guys but not much left for defense improvements or extra depth.
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smyth260 wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 11:31 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:16 | 4*2.75 according to the radio
Not a bad raise for him. The Oilers are running out of money.
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They have about 8.6 million after LTIR is used, I believe.
McLeod, Yamamoto, and Puljujarvi are the RFAs left. Enough to sign all of those guys but not much left for defense improvements or extra depth.
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Yeah - we're done, other than shopping the bargain bins now in a couple weeks time.
Teams shouldn't blow their brains out entirely on Day One of free agency anyhow. There's always some guys who are left blowing in the wind who you can pick up at a great price later.
We're probably not getting Strome or Marchment though.
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I don't think they need more at the forward positions. Defense still makes me nervous.
Nurse
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Kulak
Bouchard
Broberg?
That's... a concern.
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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:37 |
smyth260 wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 11:31 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:16 | 4*2.75 according to the radio
Not a bad raise for him. The Oilers are running out of money.
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They have about 8.6 million after LTIR is used, I believe.
McLeod, Yamamoto, and Puljujarvi are the RFAs left. Enough to sign all of those guys but not much left for defense improvements or extra depth.
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Yeah - we're done, other than shopping the bargain bins now in a couple weeks time.
Teams shouldn't blow their brains out entirely on Day One of free agency anyhow. There's always some guys who are left blowing in the wind who you can pick up at a great price later.
We're probably not getting Strome or Marchment though.
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Assuming no changes (big if with the Brown rumors)
Hyman - McDavid - Kane
Nuge - Draisaitl - Yamamoto
Foegele - McLeod - Puljujarvi
Holloway - Ryan - xxxx
Shore, Malone…
Nurse - Ceci
Kulak - Bouchard
Broberg - Barrie
Niemalenien or something…
Definitely need to get some forward depth. Defense looks like it needs help without big steps from Broberg/Bouchard.
But I suppose some of that could be fixed at deadline.
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NetBOG wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 10:13 | Per Pierre Lebrun and Bob Mackenzie
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Good. Hopefully at the $2.5M that was leaked previous...
He's decent, good wheels, good defensively.. the hope is Broberg will eventually take the No.2 LHD .. so you want Kulak at a price you can live with playing #3 LHD..
... Just saw the 2.75M price.. not bad with the insanity out there today.
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This is the perfect example of why I don't listen to, or put any value in Edmonton sports media;
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If Keith is off the books, Barrie stays and perhaps Kulak gets signed.
Hearing Kulak’s ask is 4 x $2.5M (minimum.)
Is he your 2nd pairing LD?
I like him as my 3rd - but not at that term/salary.
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Kulak at 4 x $2.75. Reasonable number for a 2nd pairing Dman. Quality person, skates very well, played plenty of playoff games, local guy...
Holland having a day.
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July 8th, Kulak is a 3LD not worth 4X2.5
5 days later He is 2LD that is "reasonable" at .25M higher.
What an idiot.
My thoughts on the signing are the same as I said earlier. It is too much for a guy who is a good 3D but below average 2D. In year 3 and 4 this deal will be a pain.
If Broberg advances Kulak could be the 3LD by the end of year one in this deal
I like Kulak, a lot. My issue is that these contracts dont kill your cap all at once but paying bottom 6 F and bottom 3 D an extra .5 to 1M too much adds up.
All that said, I am glad he is back. The depth in that spot is bad and available FA's were low end. The defense needs to be better than last year (and most years in the last 2 decades) and I think it is with Kulak on the team.
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Looks like an absolute bargain compared to the 4x4 that Gudbranson got from the BJs. I'll take Kulak, thanks.
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Holland doing all the right things
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Rishaug expects Koekkoek to play next year.
Makes sense with how limited their D is but also is not good.
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Maybe KKKK was working on his face-offs.
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Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 14:33 | Maybe KKKK was working on his face-offs.
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Let's stick to 4K please. That looks super-sketchy otherwise.
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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 15:34 |
Dragon_Matt wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 14:33 | Maybe KKKK was working on his face-offs.
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Let's stick to 4K please. That looks super-sketchy otherwise.
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You should check out some old Philippines flag back from the late 19th century and stop worrying so much.
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Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 19:28 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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So just his regular every day pants? Good enough.
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Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:30 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 19:28 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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So just his regular every day pants? Good enough.
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Adam wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 21:08 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:30 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 19:28 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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So just his regular every day pants? Good enough.
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Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 July 2022 16:55 |
Adam wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 21:08 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:30 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 19:28 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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So just his regular every day pants? Good enough.
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The positive energy we have been waiting for.
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This new timeline is wild.
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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 15 July 2022 18:54 |
Kr55 wrote on Fri, 15 July 2022 16:55 |
Adam wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 21:08 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:30 |
CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 19:28 |
Mike wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 16:24 | Kane re-signed and Kulak for more than $2.5? Someone should go check on Adam.
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He put on his grumpy pants this morning and it shows.
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So just his regular every day pants? Good enough.
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The positive energy we have been waiting for.
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This new timeline is wild.
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I'm Adam from another universe - one that is threatened to collapse due to the Oilers making savvy decisions based on logic and analysis - I'm here to take back one of your hockey executives to restore balance to the multiverse and the Force!
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Compared to what Chariot (4 x $4.75M), Gudbranson (4 x $4M), Manson (4 x $4.75M).. have to say Kulak is looking pretty good at 4 x $2.75M
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Skookum Jim wrote on Wed, 13 July 2022 18:15 | Compared to what Chariot (4 x $4.75M), Gudbranson (4 x $4M), Manson (4 x $4.75M).. have to say Kulak is looking pretty good at 4 x $2.75M
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Every deal that gets announced makes me more and more impressed with Holland's day. I'd probably have Manson as slightly better than Kulak but 2 mill better? I don't know about that. I would definitely put Kulak ahead of Gubranson by a bit. I'd have Kulak based on how he played at minimum on par with Chariot and considering how important skating has become, on pure ability, Kulak might have the edge going forward. If a person wants to say Chariot has more experience than Kulak as a #4 that's fair but he's 4 yrs older and way slower. So I wouldn't have him 2 mill better than Kulak.
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Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:13 |
Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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Second in the league in scoring last year and extremely high +/- for less than $10 per season? I think that’s pretty solid.
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Adam wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:17 |
Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:13 |
Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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Second in the league in scoring last year and extremely high +/- for less than $10 per season? I think that’s pretty solid.
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It depends if he can do it twice in a row. Gaudreau might hard regress with CBJ. I do think it might be a very good signing for them.
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Adam wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 11:17 |
Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:13 |
Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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Second in the league in scoring last year and extremely high +/- for less than $10 per season? I think that’s pretty solid.
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Agree if he's 2nd in scoring for the next 7 years.. or even the past 7 years.. I just think he's not going to be able to match what he did last year.. they took a chance.. I definitely wouldn't classify it as an A+, don't think he factored in risk.
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P. Chiarelli math.. T. Hall = A. Larsson, Yak= bag o'pucks (OK he got one right...) K. Russell = $4.1 M+NMC, G. Reinhart= M. Barzal + A. Beauvillier, J. Eberle = R. Spooner,
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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 16:34 |
Adam wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 11:17 |
Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:13 |
Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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Second in the league in scoring last year and extremely high +/- for less than $10 per season? I think that’s pretty solid.
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Agree if he's 2nd in scoring for the next 7 years.. or even the past 7 years.. I just think he's not going to be able to match what he did last year.. they took a chance.. I definitely wouldn't classify it as an A+, don't think he factored in risk.
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It’s not a one-time deal though for him. He had a 99 point season and several more at or around a point per game pace. He is 8th in scoring over the last five years (405 points in 370 games) with just McDavid, Draisaitl, MacKinnon, Kane, Marchand, Panarin and Huberdeau outscoring him over that time. He turns 29 next month so she will be a concern in the latter years of the contract but that’s the case for most high profile free agents. Ultimately Columbus got him for considerably less than Calgary was willing to pay and for one less year so that is pretty good on them. Given his production I would expect he’s a top-10 salary in the league, especially given most of those above him on that scoring list are making more on deals signed years ago.
I am not a fan, mostly because of where he’s played and the stupid Johnny Hockey moniker but it’s still a good contract for Columbus. They weren’t going to acquire anyone of that caliber for less, and most didn’t think they could even do this.
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Adam wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:17 |
Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 12:13 |
Red Rage wrote on Thu, 14 July 2022 10:57 | Hot Garbage Sports on Youtube, a guy who is heavy user of analytics, and I respect his analysis, grades the following signings
Kane B+ ... poor defensively
Campbell C ... not consistent (too many highs combined with too many lows). Does not "solve" the goaltending problem.
Kulak A
Other notables...
Kuemper A
Husso B
Thomas A+
Sergachev D
Gaudreau A+
Giroux C+
Chiarot C+
Marchment B
Malkin and Letang C
Nichushkin C
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The guy disqualified himself just by saying Gaudreau at 7 x 9.75 is a A+
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Second in the league in scoring last year and extremely high +/- for less than $10 per season? I think that’s pretty solid.
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Based on last year. I think he goes back to the mean.
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