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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Los Angeles (Game #42) [message #816406 is a reply to message #816403 ]	Tue, 10 January 2023 10:09

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Adam wrote on Tue, 10 January 2023 09:49

RDOilerfan wrote on Tue, 10 January 2023 08:43

Pretty tough to win a game when you take 7 penalties, even tougher when you give up 4 pp goals. Then you pile on the best PP in the NHL can't score a single goal in 6 tries against one of the leagues worst PK's.

The team didn't come out to play which stuns me but I shouldn't be surprised anymore. I find it hilarious that fans on twitter are screaming about Holland trading for Chychrun like that will magically fix all their problems. I am fine to trade for the Chychrun. I think the price is way too much but they need another dman. That being said, you can trade for Makar and it doesn't fix the Oilers problem. The problem is and has been for years. It's been the same problem with multiple coaches and different GM's. The problem is the main core of the Oilers do not play winning hockey. They play to score points.

As much as I love watching McD, he plays to score points. His job in his mind and he has said it, he's paid to score. So that's what he does and that is what his mindset is. He's on this team to score. He's never scored 50, so this year he's decided he will score 50. He probably decided he wants a Richard trophy. COOL! I am looking forward to the day he decides to play winning hockey. Same as Leon. His boy McD scores a ton and he doesn't want to be showed up so he plays to score as well.

Those 2 don't care about defense. All you have to do is look at their +/-. YES, I know it's not a great stat because you can get a + or - just by stepping on the ice and doing nothing but it shows a trend especially for those 2 because those 2 are the big dogs and when they are on the ice, 95% of the time they are involved in the play good or bad. McD +1, Leon +3. The fact those 2 have such a BRUTAL +/- when they score as much as they do just shows how little they care 5 on 5 defensively. Next guy and main leader on the team, Nuge. -5.

Am I saying it's all those 3 fault? No but in my opinion, they play a big factor because they are the main 3 forwards, they play A TON and when your 3 main guys don't give a crap about defense, why should anyone else.

So yes pay whatever it costs and go get yourself a dman whoever that guy is but does it fix everything? NO! Could it help for a few plays? Sure it can but unless the guy can play the entire game, until the team decides to 100% commit to playing team defense, it won't help that much. Playing team defense might mean that the big boys don't score as much. It might mean they don't score as many highlight reel goals seen on TV. Playing defense is hard work and lots of times not anywhere near as fun as scoring goals. But it's necessary. So fire the coach, GM, Nicholson, swap out whatever D you want, change out the bottom 6, do all of that. Until the big boys change their mindset and play winning hockey every single game, it won't get much better. Championship teams play good, sound winning hockey all the time. They still score goals but just scoring isn't the only focus. They typically don't take unnecessary chances especially late in games and at times the stars know they have to sacrifice offense to win. Playing sound team defense for championship teams stars are your star and goes all the way to the 12th forward and every dman.

Are you really blaming this on McDavid???

It's coaching. It's management. It's the systems they employ.

Some of that may be over-empowering the star players - the Oilers still love the core and non-core thing, even if they (fortunately) don't say it out loud all the time any more - but that's still on coaching and management.

Someone pointed out on twitter yesterday that the bottom several defencemen in the NHL on turnovers are all Oilers or Canadiens. That is not a coincidence. The system is seriously flawed. There's been some good video work done by a couple of people (I believe @bcurlock is one) showing that the Oilers system tries to create a fast break with everyone jumping right off a won faceoff in the defensive zone, but it's ineffective and too often results in turnovers because they're forcing long, difficult passes. Again, that's not on the stars - when it happens over and over again, then it's the system and that should be adjusted.

And it actually hurts the stars when it comes to point production. McDavid's 5v5 numbers are pedestrian, because this system sucks and it doesn't use our advantages to full value. The scary thing about all this is that a good coach and system don't hold McDavid back from getting more points - they provide him with more chances and more offensive zone time at even strength, so maybe his numbers are even more crooked.

I am frustrated with Woodcroft. I thought we saw some real promise with him in the regular season last year. I thought he wasn't great in the playoffs, and made some serious mistakes that you wondered if weren't pushed on him from above, and then this year? He's gone full McLellan or Tippett. It's disappointing.

Holland and Nicholson? Well, when you make old failures the leaders of an organization, pay them huge money and are just okay with their failings for years? It's toxic to culture and the whole organization under them is bound to suffer. To this day, the Oilers management spends more time and effort making sure that the media don't write nasty stories about them (the players are of course fair game) than they do trying to make sure that we're icing a competitive roster. If you want to know the biggest reason why the team is where it is? That's it right there.

I am not pinning all the blame on McD but he wears some of it.

How many coaches has it been?
How many systems have they played?
What's been the reoccurring theme for YEARS?! Defense. The team sucks at defense. It's sucked at defense for years under different coaches and different systems.

Do I like everything that Woody has done this year? No.
Do I think Woody has some blame? Yes.
Do I think the roster has holes in it? Yes.
Do I think Holland has some blame? Yes.

But like I said, swap out whatever dman you want. Swap out whatever forward or 3 you want in the bottom 6. Take off 1 mill, 2 if you want off Nurse's salary. You put in 1 or 2 better bottom 6 guys so the coach feels comfortable playing them more and McD's mins go down by 2-3. Who cares. Any coach is still going to play him 20 mins a night. You could do all of that and it won't make a bit of difference. The team does not play team defense. Plain and simple.

If you watch the truly good teams, from forward 1-12 they all play team defense. Dman 1-6 all play team defense. Playing defense sucks. It's hard work, it's not fun but you have to do it. SO yes, I do place some blame on the captain because he is the CAPTIAN. He makes the most money, he gets the most playing time, he is supposed to set the standard. That's his job. When the stars on your team play hockey with the idea that defense is optional, the rest of the team follows suit.

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