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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10) [message #745402 is a reply to message #745401 ]	Wed, 23 October 2019 09:28

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:23

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:13

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:05

Kr55 wrote on Wed, 23 October 2019 08:47

RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 23 October 2019 08:11

This game was pretty simple for me. I completely understand the value of depth players and dmen. They play a role and can help your team win. But when your top players, the guys who play the most minutes and make the most money play like garbage, your team will not win. Starting from McDavid and going down, they all sucked last night. Your top players don't even have to score all the time, they just need to play reasonably well to set the tone. Very, very poor effort.

I dunno man. The Leafs won a game with 5 goals the other night and no one of their top guys got a point. Could you imagine our 3rd and 4th lines scoring 5 goals in 1 game? Yeah...neither can I. And yeah, I'm aware our record is better than the leafs at the moment :)

Having a really good top end of your lineup can make sure you are around the .500 mark for sure, but the top teams in this league that get way over that do it because they have some depth. No top players and bad depth, that's lottery land. Even top players have slumps through the regular season, and a well build team can get through them other ways. We are completely incapable of that from what we've seen so far.

As I said in my post, bottom 6 score needs to happen for the Oilers. I didn't watch the Leafs game but I have a hard time believing that the Leafs top 2 lines did absolutely nothing for the whole game. There will be games where the top lines just won't score for whatever reason. On average, what do most teams give their top 2 lines in the way of ice time? The top line probably gets a little over 20 mins and the second line gets 20 mins or just under 20. So in most cases, your top 2 lines get 2/3 of the ice time. I don't care how good your bottom 6 is, a team isn't going to win very many games if their top 2 lines are giving them NOTHING when they play 2/3 of the game. I can't even really remember very many shifts for the whole game where the top 2 lines generated much even in the way of a good scoring chance.

McDavid in just over 21 mins had 2 shots and was a -1.
Leon in just under 20 had 1 shot and was -1.
Nuge in just under 19 had 2 shots.
Neal in just under 19 had 0 shots.

There are the 4 highest paid players who get the most minutes and they all didn't generate much in the way of scoring chances.

I don't mean to just fixate on this game. It was an extra bad one for everyone involved for sure. I'm more talking to the pattern of the last years where next to nothing is happening without the top guys involved. These games are going to be common again if our depth continues to be useless. The Jets game is probably a more disappointing example, because the game was there to be had if anyone on the bottom 2/3 lines was able to get something done. That was a great opportunity for someone either than the top few guys to actually help put a win on the board, but, nadda, again.

2 100 point guys playing together still probably only averages to ~1.5-1.75 goals/game (accounting for how they will have points on the same goal often playing together). That's not enough to win the average NHL game where 5.5 or so goals are scored. The production from your top line will come in spurts and have slumps. You need more from the rest of the lineup, often, to be a truly good team. Top guys can't be on every night getting 2-3 points a game, or they would be challenging Gretzky's records.

I wonder if they put Gagner in to try to get some offence out of the bottom 6. If it was me, I would give Khaira a seat. It's 10 games now and he hasn't pissed a drop of offense and I don't even know if he has had a good scoring chance. I think he's a drag on the 3rd line. He's a big guy, skates pretty well, can be physical, has edge to his game. I would think he should be able to generate something because of his combination of size and being able to skate. I don't expect him to dangle about how about some shots, put them on goal, jam one in.He should be able to give some energy at least. He had zero hits last night. Archibald is tiny and he CRUSHED a guy. What's Khaira's excuse? Do something.

Yeah, they really need to try something different there. I don't see that many qualities in the bottom 6 that I desperately want to hold onto. Gags to start, but may need to be looking at trying out some of the skill guys from Bakersfield.

I still can't get over how our depth lines keep getting worse. They get to play against 3rd and 4th liners, 3rd D pairs. Can't even fluke a goal off someones butt or something. It's nuts.

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Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: OilFans on Tue, 22 October 2019 20:30
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Ragnarok73 on Tue, 22 October 2019 20:31
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Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Ragnarok73 on Wed, 23 October 2019 00:37
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Skookum Jim on Wed, 23 October 2019 00:36
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 23 October 2019 08:11
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Wed, 23 October 2019 08:47
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:05
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:13
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:23
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: Kr55 on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:28
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:36
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: overdue on Wed, 23 October 2019 17:31
Re: Review: Edmonton @ Minnesota (Game #10)	By: OilPeg on Wed, 23 October 2019 09:09
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