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Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement [message #768969 is a reply to message #768965 ]	Wed, 28 October 2020 14:14

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:53

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:46

CrudeRemarks wrote on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:39

mightyreasoner wrote on Wed, 28 October 2020 11:39

This is the correct take, IMO. The Hamilton sweater is kind of a blight against this (can we unretire that?), but overall, I agree.

And there should be a ring of honour.

My Ring of Honour class:

Ryan Smyth
Doug Weight
Ales Hemsky
Shawn Horcoff
Charlie Huddy
Esa Tikkanen
Bill Ranford
(Eventually Ryan Nugent-Hopkins)

Anyone I'm missing?

Pronger?

Longevity and Production are pretty key criteria for me.

For me, I don't think Pronger or Joseph played long enough to be included.

There's a whole clump of what I would consider bubble guys:

Eberle 507 games (382 points)
Simpson 419 GP (365 pts)
Marchant 678 GP (342 pts)
MacTavish 701 GP (331 pts)
Hall 381 GP (328 pts)
Gagner 542 GP (317 pts)

All between 5-9 years with organization, and 15-21 in all-time Oilers points. But none of them really distanced themselves from this bubble, so I don't think I'd include them either. If Hall comes back, he has a good shot at doing so, and I would then include him also.

In my opinion, you are diminishing the honor of the ring if you are adding in guys like that. Even Hemsky, Horcoff.
Don't get me wrong, they are all really good players but retired numbers should be reserved for Hall of fame guys. The ring of honor is for guy who are right there but not hall of famers.

Wouldn't that literally only be Doug Weight? It certainly isn't Smyth. I can't imagine it's many others.

To me it is a way to highlight the key players in a franchise's history.

Smyth is 6th in franchise scoring. Second in games played.
Weight is 7th. 16th in games played.
Hemsky is 8th. 14th in games played.
Horcoff is 10th. 5th in games played.
Huddy is the third highest defenseman, behind two HOFers.

These are Top-10 scorers among the 40+ year history of the team, including all the Dynasty years and all the scoring that took place. They don't deserve a jersey retired, they don't deserve to be in the HOF, but they probably deserve to recognized as key pieces in the history of the franchise.

To Matheson's suggestion, when factoring in longevity and production, I don't think there's much of a case to be made for Fogolin, Gregg, Buchberger, Moog. I don't think Pronger or Joseph were here long enough. And Eberle, Simpson, Marchant, MacTavish, Hall, Gagner... I wouldn't include them either.

I'm really comfortable with the Class of 7 and adding Nuge after retirement (McDavid and Draisaitl likely being HOFers with retired jerseys someday). To me, that doesn't seem excessive over the course of 40 years.

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Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Wed, 28 October 2020 11:03
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 October 2020 11:12
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 October 2020 11:37
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: CrudeRemarks on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:38
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 October 2020 14:05
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: CrudeRemarks on Wed, 28 October 2020 14:08
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Hibernia on Fri, 30 October 2020 09:46
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Perkele on Fri, 30 October 2020 10:04
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Fri, 30 October 2020 16:54
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: CrudeRemarks on Fri, 30 October 2020 10:24
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Wed, 28 October 2020 12:15
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: NetBOG on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:52
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Wed, 28 October 2020 15:45
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: smyth260 on Wed, 28 October 2020 16:19
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Kr55 on Wed, 28 October 2020 17:50
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Wed, 28 October 2020 18:00
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Skookum Jim on Fri, 30 October 2020 15:11
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 28 October 2020 11:39
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: CrudeRemarks on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:39
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:46
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: RDOilerfan on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:53
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: CrudeRemarks on Wed, 28 October 2020 13:56
Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: mightyreasoner on Wed, 28 October 2020 14:14
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Re: Gretzky on Number Retirement	By: Adam on Wed, 28 October 2020 17:45
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