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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687846 is a reply to message #686123 ]
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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687859 is a reply to message #687846 ]
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While it's still early, the questions are still there.

Will we get a backup goaltender?

If a team like LA is getting a starter to supplement a Vezina calibre goaltender, then we should at the very least look for a backup on a current team who is close to being out no? Halak (but he has term), Howard (again term), one of the Dallas goalies, a Buffalo backup, Neuvirth, Miller, Pavelec?

Do we upgrade our middle 6 Forward core; particularly RW?

Maybe that means going after a Vanek or Vrbata? Maybe Lazar is an option? Most likely if anything, looking at a guy like Stafford, Sobotka, or Parenteau. Honeslty, I'd love Iginla icon_wink

Can we finally get a Defenceman who can make the PP work?

There's Streit (NTC), Del Zotto, or maybe Franson. But nobody really out there that can be a bottom 6 D man who can play 1st line PP. If you can get Streit, I do it.



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 08:16

While it's still early, the questions are still there.

Will we get a backup goaltender?

If a team like LA is getting a starter to supplement a Vezina calibre goaltender, then we should at the very least look for a backup on a current team who is close to being out no? Halak (but he has term), Howard (again term), one of the Dallas goalies, a Buffalo backup, Neuvirth, Miller, Pavelec?

Do we upgrade our middle 6 Forward core; particularly RW?

Maybe that means going after a Vanek or Vrbata? Maybe Lazar is an option? Most likely if anything, looking at a guy like Stafford, Sobotka, or Parenteau. Honeslty, I'd love Iginla icon_wink

Can we finally get a Defenceman who can make the PP work?

There's Streit (NTC), Del Zotto, or maybe Franson. But nobody really out there that can be a bottom 6 D man who can play 1st line PP. If you can get Streit, I do it.


The answer to these three questions... No. PC doesn't want to disturb the chemistry.
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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687861 is a reply to message #687860 ]
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OilMJMOil wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 06:18

mazankowski wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 08:16

While it's still early, the questions are still there.

Will we get a backup goaltender?

If a team like LA is getting a starter to supplement a Vezina calibre goaltender, then we should at the very least look for a backup on a current team who is close to being out no? Halak (but he has term), Howard (again term), one of the Dallas goalies, a Buffalo backup, Neuvirth, Miller, Pavelec?

Do we upgrade our middle 6 Forward core; particularly RW?

Maybe that means going after a Vanek or Vrbata? Maybe Lazar is an option? Most likely if anything, looking at a guy like Stafford, Sobotka, or Parenteau. Honeslty, I'd love Iginla icon_wink

Can we finally get a Defenceman who can make the PP work?

There's Streit (NTC), Del Zotto, or maybe Franson. But nobody really out there that can be a bottom 6 D man who can play 1st line PP. If you can get Streit, I do it.


The answer to these three questions... No. PC doesn't want to disturb the chemistry.
doh


And I get that sometimes the best trades are the ones you never make. But the cost in acquisition for these pieces would seem to be so small, and the roles not being major, that chemistry isn't even a question. Come on Chiarelli!!! LA added, ANA added, SJ added, lets add!!!



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 08:22



And I get that sometimes the best trades are the ones you never make. But the cost in acquisition for these pieces would seem to be so small, and the roles not being major, that chemistry isn't even a question. Come on Chiarelli!!! LA added, ANA added, SJ added, lets add!!!



Oh that is very true, the best deal made is sometimes the one that isn't finalized. With the 666 line finally starting to make noise together, our top 6 is set;

Maroon-McDavid-Drai
Lucic-Nuge-Eberle

Our bottom 6... quite a few bodies, really like Khaira's tempo and overall game. He likely gets sent down or kept in the PB though with the Desharnais acquistion. Rishaug is saying (he guesses) focus is shifted to 3rd/4th line rental winger... WHAT IF! Now, call me crazy. But... Iginla. Yeah. He's up there. But a 3rd line of, Pouliot-Letestu-Iginla could prove dynamite down the stretch and in the post-season. Let's be honest, Pouliot is a gamer when the beards start growing. This would then provide a 4th line of Slep-Desharnais-Kassian, big bodied wingers with the aging centre. Khaira sent down, while Caggiula/Hendricks/Pak view from above and are ready to go.



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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687875 is a reply to message #687863 ]
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Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.



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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 10:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.



Perhaps to Arizona for Vrbata?



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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687880 is a reply to message #687875 ]
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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.

Thanks MacT!

Thank goodness his contract wasn't bought out last year. Could you imagine if the Oilers had 1/3 of that albatross around their neck for another two seasons eating cap space while their Stanley Cup window was open? Shudder.



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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687882 is a reply to message #687880 ]
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CrusaderPi wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:47

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.

Thanks MacT!

Thank goodness his contract wasn't bought out last year. Could you imagine if the Oilers had 1/3 of that albatross around their neck for another two seasons eating cap space while their Stanley Cup window was open? Shudder.


To be fair, the topic of bonuses is not MacT's fault :) Actually, thanks to GeniusT, we will get cost certainty with Drai next season instead of the question mark if he will get 800k of bonuses or 2.5M of bonuses. Of course that certainty is likely 3M higher than even the worst case today, lol.

Drai is right on the edge now of that extra 1.7M of bonuses. Think he needs a few more points or a couple more goals to break the top 10 in a category to get his full schedule B bonus.


I think max McDavid bonuses (guaranteed pretty much) and max Drai bonuses will give us a penalty for next season if all things stay the same today.

Capfriendly says we have $4,436,657 of projected end of year cap space. Full McDavid bonuses leaves us with $1,586,657. Drai's full bonus is 2.475M. So, ~900k penalty. Doh.

Wonder if the bonus situation played a part in Pulju's handling. Kid never really got a fair shot in an offensive role. And we honestly couldn't have afforded to give him one :)

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 Re: trade deadline 2017 [message #687892 is a reply to message #687875 ]
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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.


Can someone explain to me why teams want to add salary?

Like didn't Arizona take Chris Pronger's contract too? Do they get some sort of tax rebate in the end, I dont get it.



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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:44

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.


Can someone explain to me why teams want to add salary?

Like didn't Arizona take Chris Pronger's contract too? Do they get some sort of tax rebate in the end, I dont get it.


If you help a team in their attempt to free up salary by taking a bad contract, then that allows them to make other moves. This is a benefit for them and they are willing to pay for it with draft picks or a prospect usually. It's a win win for both teams, but the team retaining the big money usually is a team like Toronto, or in the case of AZ, Datsyuk did not play for them, so the cap hit was the only thing they took on, not his actual salary.






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WhoreableGuy wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 10:44

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 09:27

Elliotte Friedman
EDM trying to move remaining cap hit for Andrew Ference ($3.25M), up at the end of this season. Would create flexibility.

Mentioned on TSN that Draisaitl looking to hit his bonuses would impact Edmonton being able to add a winger today and would need to get creative.


Can someone explain to me why teams want to add salary?

Like didn't Arizona take Chris Pronger's contract too? Do they get some sort of tax rebate in the end, I dont get it.


My understanding for our situation is that we have $3.25M cap burden that only be used with an existing player using that space. It does not carry over. So If we signed someone day 1 at $3.25M it would be a wash since Ference is paid by insurance and we can use his cap hit on another player.

If you signed/traded a guy half way through the season and the remaining cap of ferences say is $2M and you sign a guy that is to be paid $3M for the rest of the season, you can't use the $1.25M that was lost already as those days past.

So basically if someone takes it on as long as they aren't going to be over the cap it doesn't matter for them as insurance is paying the dollar value and they aren't using that cap space.

The reason the Oilers want to trade it is because bonuses come in at the year end and Ference cap doesn't help them out with it. So if they trade it now with 18 games remaining we actually would create approximately $700,000 in room for bonuses.



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If Iginla goes for a 4th or 5th round pick or a fringe prospect, I'll be a little jealous of LA.


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What about Foligno in Buffalo as our 3rd line winger option? He is 25 years old, makes $2.25 million, is an RFA this summer & is 6'3", 225 lbs. He is having a little below average year and maybe could be had for some picks? He plays either wing which is nice & has some good speed. I don't know what Buffalo thinks of his future, but maybe .......

3rd rd pick, Dillion Simpson & dump Ference's contract

For

M. Foligno

Just spit balling, but I really like what he would bring to our 3rd line.




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Jakey wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 11:13

What about Foligno in Buffalo as our 3rd line winger option? He is 25 years old, makes $2.25 million, is an RFA this summer & is 6'3", 225 lbs. He is having a little below average year and maybe could be had for some picks? He plays either wing which is nice & has some good speed. I don't know what Buffalo thinks of his future, but maybe .......

3rd rd pick, Dillion Simpson & dump Ference's contract

For

M. Foligno

Just spit balling, but I really like what he would bring to our 3rd line.





Totally agree Jakey, he would be a great addition. Would be a far better 3rd line winger than Slepyshev IMO. What it would take though is probably quite a bit if you look at rentals going for quite a bit and Lazar apparently commanding a 2nd rounder.

I'd make Slepyshev available in that deal in all honesty.



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:24

Jakey wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 11:13

What about Foligno in Buffalo as our 3rd line winger option? He is 25 years old, makes $2.25 million, is an RFA this summer & is 6'3", 225 lbs. He is having a little below average year and maybe could be had for some picks? He plays either wing which is nice & has some good speed. I don't know what Buffalo thinks of his future, but maybe .......

3rd rd pick, Dillion Simpson & dump Ference's contract

For

M. Foligno

Just spit balling, but I really like what he would bring to our 3rd line.





Totally agree Jakey, he would be a great addition. Would be a far better 3rd line winger than Slepyshev IMO. What it would take though is probably quite a bit if you look at rentals going for quite a bit and Lazar apparently commanding a 2nd rounder.






Ya that is the hard part to figure out for sure. He has been there for about 6 years & will be a UFA in 2 years, so maybe they would be open to moving him for a little overpay?

Maybe
2 x 3rd picks, plus Ference's cap hit & a middling prospect like Oesterle for Foligno?



I'd make Slepyshev available in that deal in all honesty.




Maybe 2 x 3rd picks, Ference Contract & Oesterle for Foligno gets it done? Definite overpay, but nothing too crazy IMO

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THIS makes the Desharnais trade even more inexplicable ...


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John Shannon tweeting Flames in on Vrbata. If we are the only team in the Pacific to not get better, there's something wrong.

Also, I know it's Eklund, but he's saying Chara rumours are starting. My lord, if he's available, get on it Chiarelli!



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Maybe the Oilers will be in on him?


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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:59

Maybe the Oilers will be in on him?


Well it seems like a dud for the Oilers this time around. With the low cost to acquire assets I'm surprised we couldn't build up our RW or RD for cheap.



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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 13:20

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:59

Maybe the Oilers will be in on him?


Well it seems like a dud for the Oilers this time around. With the low cost to acquire assets I'm surprised we couldn't build up our RW or RD for cheap.


So low cost trades for RW
Jarome Iginla (50% retained) for a conditional 2018 4th rounder
NJ trades Parenteau to NSH for 6th round pick
Drew Stafford for conditional 6th



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Pretty disappointing weren't able to make a deal for any of Sharp, Vrabata, Iginla, Doan, Hemsky, Stafford or Parenteau. Any one of those guys would of been a good veteran pick up for a mid level pick.


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McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:35

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 13:20

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:59

Maybe the Oilers will be in on him?


Well it seems like a dud for the Oilers this time around. With the low cost to acquire assets I'm surprised we couldn't build up our RW or RD for cheap.


So low cost trades for RW
Jarome Iginla (50% retained) for a conditional 2018 4th rounder
NJ trades Parenteau to NSH for 6th round pick
Drew Stafford for conditional 6th


That's the disheartening thing. In a weak draft, give up a 3rd for Vrbata! Or give a 5th for one of the options mentioned above.

The problem that we ran into was the cap situation though, and no felxibility.



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mazankowski wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 13:40

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:35

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 13:20

McDavid97 wrote on Wed, 01 March 2017 12:59

Maybe the Oilers will be in on him?


Well it seems like a dud for the Oilers this time around. With the low cost to acquire assets I'm surprised we couldn't build up our RW or RD for cheap.


So low cost trades for RW
Jarome Iginla (50% retained) for a conditional 2018 4th rounder
NJ trades Parenteau to NSH for 6th round pick
Drew Stafford for conditional 6th


That's the disheartening thing. In a weak draft, give up a 3rd for Vrbata! Or give a 5th for one of the options mentioned above.

The problem that we ran into was the cap situation though, and no felxibility.


Sounds like the problem from Vrbata is the cap.

CONTRACT NOTE: If Vrbata plays 30 games $500,000 in bonuses. If he reaches 20 goals or 40 points he’ll earn another $500,000. Also can add up to 1,250,000 more in play-off performance bonuses.

I don't think any bonuses he would get paid after he gets traded is split, so with us being tight against the cap it's an issue.

If Philly can get rid of Filppula for a conditional 7th and save $5M we should have been able to do something.



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