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Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804476]	Sat, 23 April 2022 15:39

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All three are happening this year, but I have zero idea how it’s going to play out.

Barrie - Likely moved in a trade to a bottom feeder team. What’s his return…..I dunno? Valuable to team that struggles for offence and a need for a PP1 quarterback with warts.

Kulak - Re-signed. LHD cupboard is full, but Holland likes his vets.

Kassian sees a buyout because it’s a very Oilers move, and an easy move with no consideration for the cap future.

Lots of holes on the roster for 22/23 and freeing up cap space has to be priority number 1. Yamo and Puljujarvi will get signed and I could see both taking bridge deals.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804477 is a reply to message #804476 ]	Sat, 23 April 2022 16:01

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inverno76 wrote on Sat, 23 April 2022 15:39

All three are happening this year, but I have zero idea how it’s going to play out.

Barrie - Likely moved in a trade to a bottom feeder team. What’s his return…..I dunno? Valuable to team that struggles for offence and a need for a PP1 quarterback with warts.

Kulak - Re-signed. LHD cupboard is full, but Holland likes his vets.

Kassian sees a buyout because it’s a very Oilers move, and an easy move with no consideration for the cap future.

Lots of holes on the roster for 22/23 and freeing up cap space has to be priority number 1. Yamo and Puljujarvi will get signed and I could see both taking bridge deals.

I like this. Thanks Inverno!

I’d trade Barrie, re-sign Kane and buyout Kass.

I didn’t realize the savings a Kass buyout brings. Cap hit would be;
2022/23: $666k
2023/24: $1.8M
2024/25: $966k
2025/26: $966k

For a dude who’s cap hit is 3.2 for the next 2 years, that provides some real relief. I’d definitely explore a trade first, but if no takers then 100% buyout.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804479 is a reply to message #804477 ]	Sat, 23 April 2022 19:24

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Trade barrie resign Jesse and buyout kass

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804480 is a reply to message #804477 ]	Sat, 23 April 2022 19:56

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Oscargasm wrote on Sat, 23 April 2022 15:01

inverno76 wrote on Sat, 23 April 2022 15:39

All three are happening this year, but I have zero idea how it’s going to play out.

Barrie - Likely moved in a trade to a bottom feeder team. What’s his return…..I dunno? Valuable to team that struggles for offence and a need for a PP1 quarterback with warts.

Kulak - Re-signed. LHD cupboard is full, but Holland likes his vets.

Kassian sees a buyout because it’s a very Oilers move, and an easy move with no consideration for the cap future.

Lots of holes on the roster for 22/23 and freeing up cap space has to be priority number 1. Yamo and Puljujarvi will get signed and I could see both taking bridge deals.

I like this. Thanks Inverno!

I’d trade Barrie, re-sign Kane and buyout Kass.

I didn’t realize the savings a Kass buyout brings. Cap hit would be;
2022/23: $666k
2023/24: $1.8M
2024/25: $966k
2025/26: $966k

For a dude who’s cap hit is 3.2 for the next 2 years, that provides some real relief. I’d definitely explore a trade first, but if no takers then 100% buyout.

Short of Kassian playing like a house on fire in the playoffs, I'd definitely lean that direction.

That takes some of the bite out of Nurse's upcoming deal.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804488 is a reply to message #804480 ]	Sun, 24 April 2022 01:34

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I know it’s not part of the game, but they really need to stop buying out contracts. Including the Lucic retention, we already have almost $4.5M in dead cap next year. Then another 2 years with $2M.

Kassian is obviously overpaid, but he is also still an NHLer. Find someone with boatloads of cap space and send them a 4th or something to take him on. It’s only 2 years, I’m sure you could find some takers.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804494 is a reply to message #804488 ]	Sun, 24 April 2022 10:01

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Mike wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 01:34

I know it’s not part of the game, but they really need to stop buying out contracts. Including the Lucic retention, we already have almost $4.5M in dead cap next year. Then another 2 years with $2M.

Kassian is obviously overpaid, but he is also still an NHLer. Find someone with boatloads of cap space and send them a 4th or something to take him on. It’s only 2 years, I’m sure you could find some takers.

Amen. Buyouts are lazy management, usually blaming the last crappy GM for tying their hands for years to come. I wonder if there's another team that's had more dead cap in the last 10 years than us. We have been paying players not to play here forever.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804496 is a reply to message #804488 ]	Sun, 24 April 2022 10:42

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Mike wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 01:34

I know it’s not part of the game, but they really need to stop buying out contracts. Including the Lucic retention, we already have almost $4.5M in dead cap next year. Then another 2 years with $2M.

Kassian is obviously overpaid, but he is also still an NHLer. Find someone with boatloads of cap space and send them a 4th or something to take him on. It’s only 2 years, I’m sure you could find some takers.

Yes to this option.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804502 is a reply to message #804496 ]	Sun, 24 April 2022 11:29

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K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 10:42

Mike wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 01:34

I know it’s not part of the game, but they really need to stop buying out contracts. Including the Lucic retention, we already have almost $4.5M in dead cap next year. Then another 2 years with $2M.

Kassian is obviously overpaid, but he is also still an NHLer. Find someone with boatloads of cap space and send them a 4th or something to take him on. It’s only 2 years, I’m sure you could find some takers.

Yes to this option.

I don’t think you would find a fan who would want a buyout, but it’s so on brand for this team. I would be completely shocked if they actually traded Kassian with a sweetener as a cap dump.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804521 is a reply to message #804502 ]	Sun, 24 April 2022 17:57

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inverno76 wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 11:29

K.McC#24 wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 10:42

Mike wrote on Sun, 24 April 2022 01:34

I know it’s not part of the game, but they really need to stop buying out contracts. Including the Lucic retention, we already have almost $4.5M in dead cap next year. Then another 2 years with $2M.

Kassian is obviously overpaid, but he is also still an NHLer. Find someone with boatloads of cap space and send them a 4th or something to take him on. It’s only 2 years, I’m sure you could find some takers.

Yes to this option.

I don’t think you would find a fan who would want a buyout, but it’s so on brand for this team. I would be completely shocked if they actually traded Kassian with a sweetener as a cap dump.

It's a no brainer, but I'd agree this organization doesn't have that thought process most times. They need to think of it in terms of creating space to sign potentially 3 FA that are now on the roster, and account for the Nurse overpay. Magic bean picks going out? I don't care, the cap space is more valuable than a 3rd or a 4th.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804532 is a reply to message #804521 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

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Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804536 is a reply to message #804532 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804550 is a reply to message #804536 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

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Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804555 is a reply to message #804550 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

Potential off ice issues aside, it's pretty clear that he and McD have chemistry and is the type of player McD has been looking for/needs since Maroon. No offense to JP but as good as he is at some things, I don't think he will have the finish like Kane has. Maybe it improves but for the next few years, Kane will be a superior goal scorer. The more they play together, the better and more in sync Kane and McD seem to be.

At the end of the season, if McD walks into Holland's office and says, you need to bring Kane back because he's the exact player he feels he needs on his line, what do you do? McD needs a finisher so he's going to look at the 21 goals in 40 games, probably will be a couple more by seasons end that Kane has. Then he will look at the 14 in 63 and think of all the point blank looks JP missed on or the 19 in 79 games and all the point blank looks Yamo missed on. I don't know if pulling out a spread sheet and pointing to the expected goals/60 stats for JP or Yamo or whatever advanced you want to show him is going to do it for McD. I am not trying to sound like Spec here and maybe players follow advanced stats more than I think they do but I just don't know if selling McD on the analytics of other players over Kane is going to do it for him.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804558 is a reply to message #804555 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 15:19

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

Potential off ice issues aside, it's pretty clear that he and McD have chemistry and is the type of player McD has been looking for/needs since Maroon. No offense to JP but as good as he is at some things, I don't think he will have the finish like Kane has. Maybe it improves but for the next few years, Kane will be a superior goal scorer. The more they play together, the better and more in sync Kane and McD seem to be.

At the end of the season, if McD walks into Holland's office and says, you need to bring Kane back because he's the exact player he feels he needs on his line, what do you do? McD needs a finisher so he's going to look at the 21 goals in 40 games, probably will be a couple more by seasons end that Kane has. Then he will look at the 14 in 63 and think of all the point blank looks JP missed on or the 19 in 79 games and all the point blank looks Yamo missed on. I don't know if pulling out a spread sheet and pointing to the expected goals/60 stats for JP or Yamo or whatever advanced you want to show him is going to do it for McD. I am not trying to sound like Spec here and maybe players follow advanced stats more than I think they do but I just don't know if selling McD on the analytics of other players over Kane is going to do it for him.

McDavid will buy into winning, and if Puljujarvi on his wing provides more wins despite his box scores, then 97 will be on board. Analytics over long stretches of time are a huge tool in gauging success. The one benefit they do serve, is numbers still drive contract prices. Jesse has a replacement value of 6M, and he will not even approach that number on his next contract. His next deal will be a 100% value.

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

A bit to ponder...The McDavid bump should be a selling feature Holland needs to promote with all FA's. If I were GM, I would be selling one year deals to every one touch scorer in the league.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804560 is a reply to message #804558 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 15:36

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

Potential off ice issues aside, it's pretty clear that he and McD have chemistry and is the type of player McD has been looking for/needs since Maroon. No offense to JP but as good as he is at some things, I don't think he will have the finish like Kane has. Maybe it improves but for the next few years, Kane will be a superior goal scorer. The more they play together, the better and more in sync Kane and McD seem to be.

At the end of the season, if McD walks into Holland's office and says, you need to bring Kane back because he's the exact player he feels he needs on his line, what do you do? McD needs a finisher so he's going to look at the 21 goals in 40 games, probably will be a couple more by seasons end that Kane has. Then he will look at the 14 in 63 and think of all the point blank looks JP missed on or the 19 in 79 games and all the point blank looks Yamo missed on. I don't know if pulling out a spread sheet and pointing to the expected goals/60 stats for JP or Yamo or whatever advanced you want to show him is going to do it for McD. I am not trying to sound like Spec here and maybe players follow advanced stats more than I think they do but I just don't know if selling McD on the analytics of other players over Kane is going to do it for him.

McDavid will buy into winning, and if Puljujarvi on his wing provides more wins despite his box scores, then 97 will be on board. Analytics over long stretches of time are a huge tool in gauging success. The one benefit they do serve, is numbers still drive contract prices. Jesse has a replacement value of 6M, and he will not even approach that number on his next contract. His next deal will be a 100% value.

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

A bit to ponder...The McDavid bump should be a selling feature Holland needs to promote with all FA's. If I were GM, I would be selling one year deals to every one touch scorer in the league.

According to the advance stats, JP helps and if he keeps it going chances are he will improve. Not a guarantee but he probably will. Do you think players think long term though? As in, in a couple of years, JP should be really good or does he look at the hear and now. McD wants to win. 21 goals in 40 games with is an over 40 goal pace is better than 14 goals in 63. Kane finished most of the grade A chances McD gives him, JP misses a lot of grade A chances.

I am not arguing with you about JP and I want them to keep him but I just am not so sure McD or any player is worried about the long game like advanced stats are. I do wonder if they look at the hear and now and in the hear and now Kane instantly filled a badly needed void and helped them win a lot of games lately.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804561 is a reply to message #804560 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 15:50

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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:36

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

Potential off ice issues aside, it's pretty clear that he and McD have chemistry and is the type of player McD has been looking for/needs since Maroon. No offense to JP but as good as he is at some things, I don't think he will have the finish like Kane has. Maybe it improves but for the next few years, Kane will be a superior goal scorer. The more they play together, the better and more in sync Kane and McD seem to be.

At the end of the season, if McD walks into Holland's office and says, you need to bring Kane back because he's the exact player he feels he needs on his line, what do you do? McD needs a finisher so he's going to look at the 21 goals in 40 games, probably will be a couple more by seasons end that Kane has. Then he will look at the 14 in 63 and think of all the point blank looks JP missed on or the 19 in 79 games and all the point blank looks Yamo missed on. I don't know if pulling out a spread sheet and pointing to the expected goals/60 stats for JP or Yamo or whatever advanced you want to show him is going to do it for McD. I am not trying to sound like Spec here and maybe players follow advanced stats more than I think they do but I just don't know if selling McD on the analytics of other players over Kane is going to do it for him.

McDavid will buy into winning, and if Puljujarvi on his wing provides more wins despite his box scores, then 97 will be on board. Analytics over long stretches of time are a huge tool in gauging success. The one benefit they do serve, is numbers still drive contract prices. Jesse has a replacement value of 6M, and he will not even approach that number on his next contract. His next deal will be a 100% value.

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

A bit to ponder...The McDavid bump should be a selling feature Holland needs to promote with all FA's. If I were GM, I would be selling one year deals to every one touch scorer in the league.

According to the advance stats, JP helps and if he keeps it going chances are he will improve. Not a guarantee but he probably will. Do you think players think long term though? As in, in a couple of years, JP should be really good or does he look at the hear and now. McD wants to win. 21 goals in 40 games with is an over 40 goal pace is better than 14 goals in 63. Kane finished most of the grade A chances McD gives him, JP misses a lot of grade A chances.

I am not arguing with you about JP and I want them to keep him but I just am not so sure McD or any player is worried about the long game like advanced stats are. I do wonder if they look at the hear and now and in the hear and now Kane instantly filled a badly needed void and helped them win a lot of games lately.

If I were McDavid I would be happy as long as one of my two wingers were burying their opportunities at high rate, or both were scoring at moderate rate and they played a sound complete game. If you have someone who is not scoring and an anchor defensively the whole line is crud at 5v5.

It would be nice is Puljujarvi developed a scoring touch.....after he signs a long-term extension at a value price point.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804562 is a reply to message #804561 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 15:59

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:50

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:36

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 15:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:39

Adam wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 10:03

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 08:32

Call me optimistic but I think the find a trade for Kassian. Throw in a pick, package Samorukov if you have too. Samorukov has had 2 shoulders surgeries in 2 years, one on each shoulder. Screams red flag to me.

I have thought since they signed him that Barrie's contract was signed to be traded. He was brought back in my opinion to be cover for Bouchard and he's done exactly that. He has 38 pts in 70 games, that's with Bouchard taking some of his PP time and offensive time so still pretty decent totals. He's never going to be a great defender but his play defensively has really improved the last couple of months. 4.5 mill for only 2 more years for a right shot, PP QB dman, if I was a team looking for offense, I would be all over that.

I think they do resign Kulak. He's been excellent since coming to the Oilers. All the stats boys love him. Local kid. Seems like a no brainer to me.

I would be happy to see Kulak re-signed on a 1- to 2-year deal for not a lot of money.

I also believe that there's a market for Zack Kassian and that a good GM could not only find a home for Kassian but could even find a buyer who's willing to pay a good asset to get him - especially if he has a decent playoff. I worry, of course, that a couple good games in the post-season will seduce the Oilers to thinking he's someone they can't part with though...

I really would love to see the Oilers replace Evander Kane this summer, maybe even from within with Holloway. I think he's going to demand a big dollar and he'll be looking for the max term he can get. I think he needs to do that for himself. Also, I still think there's significant evidence that he's not a great person, and I don't like cheering for a guy who beat up a woman so badly she needed surgeries. There's so much other stuff (abortions for pay? gambling debts? Groping waitresses and trashing restaurants? Dining and dashing on bills?) and maybe he's cleaned up his life and none of that is a factor any more, but in my eyes, you beat up a girl once and I have a hard time seeing you as worthy of redemption - no matter how much you score.

On top of that, he's a dreadful passer, an outside percentage of his points have come with an empty net, and his shooting percentage is 5.5 points above his career average so likely to see regression. I hope we really help him to get a major deal from someone else this summer, because I'd really prefer to see the Oilers spend the money re-signing on Puljujarvi, Yamamoto & McLeod, re-upping Bouchard (a year early, for as long as he'll agree to) and finding a goalie.

If there's another good option available on RD, I'd consider dealing Tyson Barrie, but I think we would need a replacement for him. There's a bit of an organizational hole there now, and as much as I would love to see that upgraded, we don't need just a right shooting Kris Russell there.

The only reason I would want Kane back is to keep a one year buffer for a kid like Holloway to join the team. No one knows how he will adjust to the NHL and I would want a safety net. Kane's shooting percentage will likely stay a few points higher as long as he is playing alongside McDavid. He's a rare breed of player on the ice.

For what it is worth, I think Kane's off-ice antics are going to return at some point if he get's a long-term deal. I believe he can change, but change is not a light switch that you can easily control and just turn on and off. Unfortunately, it will likely take years of growing before he can be ever forgiven and trusted.

Potential off ice issues aside, it's pretty clear that he and McD have chemistry and is the type of player McD has been looking for/needs since Maroon. No offense to JP but as good as he is at some things, I don't think he will have the finish like Kane has. Maybe it improves but for the next few years, Kane will be a superior goal scorer. The more they play together, the better and more in sync Kane and McD seem to be.

At the end of the season, if McD walks into Holland's office and says, you need to bring Kane back because he's the exact player he feels he needs on his line, what do you do? McD needs a finisher so he's going to look at the 21 goals in 40 games, probably will be a couple more by seasons end that Kane has. Then he will look at the 14 in 63 and think of all the point blank looks JP missed on or the 19 in 79 games and all the point blank looks Yamo missed on. I don't know if pulling out a spread sheet and pointing to the expected goals/60 stats for JP or Yamo or whatever advanced you want to show him is going to do it for McD. I am not trying to sound like Spec here and maybe players follow advanced stats more than I think they do but I just don't know if selling McD on the analytics of other players over Kane is going to do it for him.

McDavid will buy into winning, and if Puljujarvi on his wing provides more wins despite his box scores, then 97 will be on board. Analytics over long stretches of time are a huge tool in gauging success. The one benefit they do serve, is numbers still drive contract prices. Jesse has a replacement value of 6M, and he will not even approach that number on his next contract. His next deal will be a 100% value.

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

A bit to ponder...The McDavid bump should be a selling feature Holland needs to promote with all FA's. If I were GM, I would be selling one year deals to every one touch scorer in the league.

According to the advance stats, JP helps and if he keeps it going chances are he will improve. Not a guarantee but he probably will. Do you think players think long term though? As in, in a couple of years, JP should be really good or does he look at the hear and now. McD wants to win. 21 goals in 40 games with is an over 40 goal pace is better than 14 goals in 63. Kane finished most of the grade A chances McD gives him, JP misses a lot of grade A chances.

I am not arguing with you about JP and I want them to keep him but I just am not so sure McD or any player is worried about the long game like advanced stats are. I do wonder if they look at the hear and now and in the hear and now Kane instantly filled a badly needed void and helped them win a lot of games lately.

If I were McDavid I would be happy as long as one of my two wingers were burying their opportunities at high rate, or both were scoring at moderate rate and they played a sound complete game. If you have someone who is not scoring and an anchor defensively the whole line is crud at 5v5.

It would be nice is Puljujarvi developed a scoring touch.....after he signs a long-term extension at a value price point.

That's why I asked the question. JP has been set up a ton and hasn't been able to cash in on what should be a lot of easy goals. Yamo last game got set up multiple times on what should have been sure goals. That has to be a little frustrating to McD deep down.

I agree with you. I hope JP develops more of a scoring touch. I said it in another thread. Assuming he is resigned (i think they will) if I was JP, I would be calling up McD in the offseason and asking if he can come and work with him for a week or 2. Tons of players from the glory days said they got better simply by having to practice with Gretzky every day, so if I was JP, I'd be doing that with McD. Go work out with him. Go to the biosteel camp McD goes too.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804566 is a reply to message #804558 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 16:42

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[quote title=inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:19]

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

It's a nice idea, but worst case scenario Kane is going to finish on a 40 goal pace for over half a season (21 goals in 43 games would come in at exactly 40 goals/82 games). NHL teams have proven, over and over, that they're willing to overlook off-ice issues, especially if you can score goals. I could easily see a team offer Kane $6M x 4 years, especially if he has a good playoffs. And if you're Evander Kane, how do you turn that down?

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19/20 (82 game pace): 257 GF / 254 GA (+3) in 64 games
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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804568 is a reply to message #804566 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 16:48

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[quote title=Goose wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 16:42]

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

It's a nice idea, but worst case scenario Kane is going to finish on a 40 goal pace for over half a season (21 goals in 43 games would come in at exactly 40 goals/82 games). NHL teams have proven, over and over, that they're willing to overlook off-ice issues, especially if you can score goals. I could easily see a team offer Kane $6M x 4 years, especially if he has a good playoffs. And if you're Evander Kane, how do you turn that down?

You are right in that there will always be teams looking for a guy like him. Who doesn't want a big, good skating, physical, tough, goal scoring, power forward who you can even put on your PK. I can't remember the exact number but there were a bunch of teams after him.

If I am the Oilers, you have to look into signing him just because of the clear success he has had with McD but you set a limit.

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[quote title=Goose wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 16:42]

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:56

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

It's a nice idea, but worst case scenario Kane is going to finish on a 40 goal pace for over half a season (21 goals in 43 games would come in at exactly 40 goals/82 games). NHL teams have proven, over and over, that they're willing to overlook off-ice issues, especially if you can score goals. I could easily see a team offer Kane $6M x 4 years, especially if he has a good playoffs. And if you're Evander Kane, how do you turn that down?

How years does a healthy, non-problematic Kane have left in this league? 8? It’ll be interesting, because he’s not afraid to bet on himself. Or bet in general……

Would he better off doing another one year deal around the 5-6M and chase a 4 year deal at 31 years old knowing the cap is moving and possibly get back into the 7M AAV? Finish off his career chasing another Cup (cause Oilers 😉) and some extra casino money?

He’s an interesting case to follow. Hopefully he can turn it around, but most gamblers would bet against those odds.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804591 is a reply to message #804571 ]	Tue, 26 April 2022 14:19

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inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 18:12

Goose wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:19

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

It's a nice idea, but worst case scenario Kane is going to finish on a 40 goal pace for over half a season (21 goals in 43 games would come in at exactly 40 goals/82 games). NHL teams have proven, over and over, that they're willing to overlook off-ice issues, especially if you can score goals. I could easily see a team offer Kane $6M x 4 years, especially if he has a good playoffs. And if you're Evander Kane, how do you turn that down?

How years does a healthy, non-problematic Kane have left in this league? 8? It’ll be interesting, because he’s not afraid to bet on himself. Or bet in general……

Would he better off doing another one year deal around the 5-6M and chase a 4 year deal at 31 years old knowing the cap is moving and possibly get back into the 7M AAV? Finish off his career chasing another Cup (cause Oilers 😉) and some extra casino money?

He’s an interesting case to follow. Hopefully he can turn it around, but most gamblers would bet against those odds.

Someone is going to think this year's performance and lack of rape allegations is going to be enough to convince a few GMs that he's a new man and deserving of a big contract.

If someone offers him a 6 or 7 year deal, he's going to have to take that. The guy basically has nothing to show for his entire career to date now, so if you have a $30-40MM contract on the table versus one year at $5MMish? It's easy math. Besides, he'll want to show GMs that his gambling days are behind him!

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Adam wrote on Tue, 26 April 2022 14:19

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 18:12

Goose wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 16:42

inverno76 wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 14:19

Kane will come down to dollars and cents. If he out-prices his opportunity to play another season here then he is gone and no one will blame him or Holland. I still believe it would be in Kane's best interest to put up a HUGE full-season with a quiet off-ice year on a discounted deal. It'd be tough to say no at 5.5M for one year. Kane could cash in his big ticket the following year with 1.5 seasons of reputation repair.

It's a nice idea, but worst case scenario Kane is going to finish on a 40 goal pace for over half a season (21 goals in 43 games would come in at exactly 40 goals/82 games). NHL teams have proven, over and over, that they're willing to overlook off-ice issues, especially if you can score goals. I could easily see a team offer Kane $6M x 4 years, especially if he has a good playoffs. And if you're Evander Kane, how do you turn that down?

How years does a healthy, non-problematic Kane have left in this league? 8? It’ll be interesting, because he’s not afraid to bet on himself. Or bet in general……

Would he better off doing another one year deal around the 5-6M and chase a 4 year deal at 31 years old knowing the cap is moving and possibly get back into the 7M AAV? Finish off his career chasing another Cup (cause Oilers 😉) and some extra casino money?

He’s an interesting case to follow. Hopefully he can turn it around, but most gamblers would bet against those odds.

Someone is going to think this year's performance and lack of rape allegations is going to be enough to convince a few GMs that he's a new man and deserving of a big contract.

If someone offers him a 6 or 7 year deal, he's going to have to take that. The guy basically has nothing to show for his entire career to date now, so if you have a $30-40MM contract on the table versus one year at $5MMish? It's easy math. Besides, he'll want to show GMs that his gambling days are behind him!

Absolutely he takes any deal longer than one year, but I know I should know better.....I just can not imagine a team giving this guy a long-term deal with guaranteed money attached.

...........Ken Holland just entered the room. Thankfully his cap management will save himself from himself.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804648 is a reply to message #804596 ]	Wed, 27 April 2022 11:55

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I Really would like to see Kane back here, not on some crazy contract but lets say 5.5 tops x 3?
The chemistry with McDavid and he's a pest out there, I used to like how Perron agitated guys out there but his time here was cut pretty short too hopefully not Kane..

Are we all in favor of moving Kassian and Barrie to make room or what? Not saying I don't like Kassian or Barrie as I do, it's just with Bouchard it makes Barrie expendable or Kassian or foegele would have to go to make the cap. Unless there's someone else?

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804651 is a reply to message #804648 ]	Wed, 27 April 2022 12:24

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Yeah, I'm willing to move on from both Kassian and Barrie to make room for Kane at 5.5x3 - but I wouldn't go higher dollar value OR longer term. Unfortunately, I see Kane getting both more AND longer on the open market this summer.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804694 is a reply to message #804648 ]	Thu, 28 April 2022 17:32

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NCREDiBLE wrote on Wed, 27 April 2022 11:55

I Really would like to see Kane back here, not on some crazy contract but lets say 5.5 tops x 3?
The chemistry with McDavid and he's a pest out there, I used to like how Perron agitated guys out there but his time here was cut pretty short too hopefully not Kane..

Are we all in favor of moving Kassian and Barrie to make room or what? Not saying I don't like Kassian or Barrie as I do, it's just with Bouchard it makes Barrie expendable or Kassian or foegele would have to go to make the cap. Unless there's someone else?

You need to accept diminishing returns from Kane, even on a 3 year deal, and I expect he will gets more term offered elsewhere. I won’t argue with the short term results of the signing but he still isn’t someone I’d want the team to commit to long term. I don’t think it’s Kassian/Barrie that go if he stays. I think it’s Puljujarvi

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804697 is a reply to message #804694 ]	Thu, 28 April 2022 18:04

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 28 April 2022 17:32

NCREDiBLE wrote on Wed, 27 April 2022 11:55

I Really would like to see Kane back here, not on some crazy contract but lets say 5.5 tops x 3?
The chemistry with McDavid and he's a pest out there, I used to like how Perron agitated guys out there but his time here was cut pretty short too hopefully not Kane..

Are we all in favor of moving Kassian and Barrie to make room or what? Not saying I don't like Kassian or Barrie as I do, it's just with Bouchard it makes Barrie expendable or Kassian or foegele would have to go to make the cap. Unless there's someone else?

You need to accept diminishing returns from Kane, even on a 3 year deal, and I expect he will gets more term offered elsewhere. I won’t argue with the short term results of the signing but he still isn’t someone I’d want the team to commit to long term. I don’t think it’s Kassian/Barrie that go if he stays. I think it’s Puljujarvi

I’m not sure he gets insane term from other teams. 4 may be max anywhere. Buuuut then again these are NHL GMs we’re talking about.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804699 is a reply to message #804694 ]	Thu, 28 April 2022 18:07

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CrudeRemarks wrote on Thu, 28 April 2022 17:32

NCREDiBLE wrote on Wed, 27 April 2022 11:55

I Really would like to see Kane back here, not on some crazy contract but lets say 5.5 tops x 3?
The chemistry with McDavid and he's a pest out there, I used to like how Perron agitated guys out there but his time here was cut pretty short too hopefully not Kane..

Are we all in favor of moving Kassian and Barrie to make room or what? Not saying I don't like Kassian or Barrie as I do, it's just with Bouchard it makes Barrie expendable or Kassian or foegele would have to go to make the cap. Unless there's someone else?

You need to accept diminishing returns from Kane, even on a 3 year deal, and I expect he will gets more term offered elsewhere. I won’t argue with the short term results of the signing but he still isn’t someone I’d want the team to commit to long term. I don’t think it’s Kassian/Barrie that go if he stays. I think it’s Puljujarvi

That would be totally madness, after all the time holding onto his rights and then getting him back here and seeing what he's become.. you do NOT give up on Pulujarvi.
I don't see the possibility of that at all. Too much time built into him and he's doing well here.

I could totally see a team interested in Barrie, someone who needs help on the PP.
Kassian as a buy out is very effective as someone posted earlier in this thread but I'm gonna bank on him being effective this series which helps move him. These are the main two I'm sticking with that I expect to be moved this off season.

Sportsnet today already saying that the Oilers will be pushing hard to re-sign Kane.

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804542 is a reply to message #804476 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 12:19

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I love this chain! Assuming we're only allowed ONE in each category for this thought experiment:

Trade Barrie - but only for decent return (they didn't think they could get him for free, did they?)

Re-Sign Puljujarvi

Buyout NO ONE - we've got to stop accumulating dead cap space

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804546 is a reply to message #804542 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 13:34

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trade Kassian and Barrie as a package. and 8 mil for both is a reasonable overall price tag and tradeable for real assets
re-sign - Jesse.
buyout... Holland

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Re: Trade One, Re-Sign One (UFA), Buyout One Game [message #804551 is a reply to message #804546 ]	Mon, 25 April 2022 14:41

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Dragon_Matt wrote on Mon, 25 April 2022 13:34

trade Kassian and Barrie as a package. and 8 mil for both is a reasonable overall price tag and tradeable for real assets
re-sign - Jesse.
buyout... Holland

That buyout actually works, or maybe he can be a 'special advisor'?

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