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 The *only* way to improve the Oilers [message #711408]
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Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


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I don't think Katz cares all that much, tbh. This team is his toy, Boys on the Bus are his living hockey card collection.

If money mattered, playoffs should be a priority because that is big money lost in opportunity every year. Not to mention the value of the team itself increases if they are a winning franchise.

Katz isn't directly responsible for the bad trades, but Bruce Wayne is a little apathetic I think.



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DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.



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CrudeRemarks wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:39

You're only part of the problem if you aren't teaching your child to hate the Flames.


NO Flames allowed in my house.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I find your post quite offensive.


Why did I laugh at this? Maybe it's because of the delivery.

But yeah, I m just one of those guys that will watch the games no matter what. I think the year I missed a few games on TV was like the Stortini, Ryan Jones era. Just no point watching. I go to one game a year, but I just find my involvement on forums and discussion is much less when they are losing. I still read everything though. I really don't think I'm paying too much into Katz.

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WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 10:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I find your post quite offensive.


Why did I laugh at this? Maybe it's because of the delivery.

But yeah, I m just one of those guys that will watch the games no matter what. I think the year I missed a few games on TV was like the Stortini, Ryan Jones era. Just no point watching. I go to one game a year, but I just find my involvement on forums and discussion is much less when they are losing. I still read everything though. I really don't think I'm paying too much into Katz.


It really gets my back up when someone posts what I think is stupid post like this one is and tells me that because I go to games, that I am part of the problem with the team. If Duffman wants to show his displeasure by not supporting the team financial. Go for it. It's a free country, he can do what he wants and I have zero problem with it. But don't point the finger at me or others like me and say I am part of the problem because I choose to spend some of my extra spending money on something that I and my family enjoy. This isn't life or death. It's professional sports. It's supposed to be ENTERTAINMENT.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 11:42

WhoreableGuy wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 10:19

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I find your post quite offensive.


Why did I laugh at this? Maybe it's because of the delivery.

But yeah, I m just one of those guys that will watch the games no matter what. I think the year I missed a few games on TV was like the Stortini, Ryan Jones era. Just no point watching. I go to one game a year, but I just find my involvement on forums and discussion is much less when they are losing. I still read everything though. I really don't think I'm paying too much into Katz.


It really gets my back up when someone posts what I think is stupid post like this one is and tells me that because I go to games, that I am part of the problem with the team. If Duffman wants to show his displeasure by not supporting the team financial. Go for it. It's a free country, he can do what he wants and I have zero problem with it. But don't point the finger at me or others like me and say I am part of the problem because I choose to spend some of my extra spending money on something that I and my family enjoy. This isn't life or death. It's professional sports. It's supposed to be ENTERTAINMENT.


Entertainment is a pretty big deal, and shapes a culture, which does affect and change lives.



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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I am 40 yrs old


You're a man, you're 40!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home.


Wait a second. It's the same distance to get back to the place you started from? You sir, have changed my life!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT.


Two things wrong with this statement. You can get to being a billionaire any number of ways, including inheritance, scheming, hard work, luck (see dot.com boom), being an a-hole, being the 20th best at a number of things, being a good guy, etc. Point is, you don’t have to be the best to be rich. Being a billionaire is not a stamp of approval for awesomeness. If you need examples, I can quickly provide some.

Also, once you’ve become a billionaire, or when you are comfortable with your financial position, your decisions tend to focus more on what you enjoy doing and the people you want to spend your time with, than on making bank… because bank already be made.

People worry that Katz doesn’t care about winning or money, because his actions suggest it and his wallet can afford it. Especially since he clearly doesn’t spend solely based on profit maximization (see LA house).


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.



If you have a dollar figure you’d like to bet, I’d be willing to match. Here’s the bet: the Oilers generate a higher rate of return than at least one of Katz’s real estate developments.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

"Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore."


I’m sure if you told your wife, “Gee honey, the Oilers really suck this year, so I booked us a night at the Fairmont in Banff instead, there’s a TV in the hot tub and we can watch the game there if you want.”, she would have zero problem with that. You might even score at the same time as McDavid.

Everyone on this board is a pretty-die-hard fan, who’s likely stuck with the team through as much as you have. People were mad after Gretzky because it was an owner putting personal finances before team success, and the team almost left town as a result of fan disinterest. After that, it was a budget issue, which most people can understand, and it’s almost cooler when a team does well with limited resources. But now were back to an owner with personal interest, and people again are unhappy, especially since we are wasting the second coming of Gretzky.

Sending a message doesn’t mean abandoning the team forever. You can do it in a number of ways:
- Drink less beer in the area
- Buy less popcorn
- Buy cheaper seats
- Watch from home
- Buy fewer jerseys
- Write a letter
- Call a radio station
- Boycott Safeway



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2017/2018 - I'm drinking this Kool-Aid, in hopes that it's Drain-O.
2018/2019 - Another round of Drain-O, good sir!

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 11:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I am 40 yrs old


You're a man, you're 40!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home.


Wait a second. It's the same distance to get back to the place you started from? You sir, have changed my life!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT.


Two things wrong with this statement. You can get to being a billionaire any number of ways, including inheritance, scheming, hard work, luck (see dot.com boom), being an a-hole, being the 20th best at a number of things, being a good guy, etc. Point is, you don’t have to be the best to be rich. Being a billionaire is not a stamp of approval for awesomeness. If you need examples, I can quickly provide some.

Also, once you’ve become a billionaire, or when you are comfortable with your financial position, your decisions tend to focus more on what you enjoy doing and the people you want to spend your time with, than on making bank… because bank already be made.

People worry that Katz doesn’t care about winning or money, because his actions suggest it and his wallet can afford it. Especially since he clearly doesn’t spend solely based on profit maximization (see LA house).


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.



If you have a dollar figure you’d like to bet, I’d be willing to match. Here’s the bet: the Oilers generate a higher rate of return than at least one of Katz’s real estate developments.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

"Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore."


I’m sure if you told your wife, “Gee honey, the Oilers really suck this year, so I booked us a night at the Fairmont in Banff instead, there’s a TV in the hot tub and we can watch the game there if you want.”, she would have zero problem with that. You might even score at the same time as McDavid.

Everyone on this board is a pretty-die-hard fan, who’s likely stuck with the team through as much as you have. People were mad after Gretzky because it was an owner putting personal finances before team success, and the team almost left town as a result of fan disinterest. After that, it was a budget issue, which most people can understand, and it’s almost cooler when a team does well with limited resources. But now were back to an owner with personal interest, and people again are unhappy, especially since we are wasting the second coming of Gretzky.

Sending a message doesn’t mean abandoning the team forever. You can do it in a number of ways:
- Drink less beer in the area
- Buy less popcorn
- Buy cheaper seats
- Watch from home
- Buy fewer jerseys
- Write a letter
- Call a radio station
- Boycott Safeway


It's a free country, you can do whatever you want with your money. I am not doing anything evil with my money. All I am doing is something that I and my family enjoy. I don't understand why that is a bad thing that someone would feel the need to chastise someone as if they are committing some terrible crime. What right do you have to tell me how I should spend my money?

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 11:32

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I am 40 yrs old


You're a man, you're 40!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home.


Wait a second. It's the same distance to get back to the place you started from? You sir, have changed my life!


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT.


Two things wrong with this statement. You can get to being a billionaire any number of ways, including inheritance, scheming, hard work, luck (see dot.com boom), being an a-hole, being the 20th best at a number of things, being a good guy, etc. Point is, you don’t have to be the best to be rich. Being a billionaire is not a stamp of approval for awesomeness. If you need examples, I can quickly provide some.

Also, once you’ve become a billionaire, or when you are comfortable with your financial position, your decisions tend to focus more on what you enjoy doing and the people you want to spend your time with, than on making bank… because bank already be made.

People worry that Katz doesn’t care about winning or money, because his actions suggest it and his wallet can afford it. Especially since he clearly doesn’t spend solely based on profit maximization (see LA house).


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.



If you have a dollar figure you’d like to bet, I’d be willing to match. Here’s the bet: the Oilers generate a higher rate of return than at least one of Katz’s real estate developments.


RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 09:05

"Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore."


I’m sure if you told your wife, “Gee honey, the Oilers really suck this year, so I booked us a night at the Fairmont in Banff instead, there’s a TV in the hot tub and we can watch the game there if you want.”, she would have zero problem with that. You might even score at the same time as McDavid.

Everyone on this board is a pretty-die-hard fan, who’s likely stuck with the team through as much as you have. People were mad after Gretzky because it was an owner putting personal finances before team success, and the team almost left town as a result of fan disinterest. After that, it was a budget issue, which most people can understand, and it’s almost cooler when a team does well with limited resources. But now were back to an owner with personal interest, and people again are unhappy, especially since we are wasting the second coming of Gretzky.

Sending a message doesn’t mean abandoning the team forever. You can do it in a number of ways:
- Drink less beer in the area
- Buy less popcorn
- Buy cheaper seats
- Watch from home
- Buy fewer jerseys
- Write a letter
- Call a radio station
- Boycott Safeway


It's a free country, you can do whatever you want with your money. I am not doing anything evil with my money. All I am doing is something that I and my family enjoy. I don't understand why that is a bad thing that someone would feel the need to chastise someone as if they are committing some terrible crime. What right do you have to tell me how I should spend my money?


Pretty much all of the rights. icon_lol smash

I'd even add that you're less of an Oilers' fan if you don't care that the team is being mismanaged. Sorry, don't care enough to do anything about it. fishing

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 10:05

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.


you and I disagree on a lot, sometimes with more venom than either of us need to use, but it is clear we likely have more in common that not.
I am also 40, 3 kids (21, 9, 7) 2 of the 3 are Oiler fans, etc, etc.

I agree almost 100% with your post. the differences are mostly based on me being 6 hours from a game rather than the 90 mins you do.

In the end a "boycott" of the team hurts the fans more than Katz. While I don't know the details of all of his money making ventures the Oilers are likely way down the list of ways he makes money or more accurately expects to make money.

What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.

All money talk aside it is a game and it is entertainment. Is it more fun when the win? damn straight. Do I still like watching right now, not as much and not every minute of every game but I still watch.
do I still fly in most years for at least one game? Yep.
I also drive to Winnipeg for as many Oiler games as I can against the Jets. And every time I have a jersey and a hat on that makes me "part of the problem" as well..
My oldest worked at a sports store McDavids draft year. I was the only person at our draft party with a legit McDavid Oilers jersey the day he was drafted. My youngest is a boy who loved Hall. He asked for a McDavid Jersey the week after Hall was traded.
He loves when the Oilers play on Sat night as he gets to stay up late with me and watch the game, just like I did with my dad.

In the end I think those that post on a board like this are the BIG fans. I would guess we are all older than your average internet poster.

If you dont want to spend money don't but telling another grown man how to enjoy tome with his money, wife, kids is ridiculous.






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If you dont want to spend money don't but telling another grown man how to enjoy tome with his money, wife, kids is ridiculous.



Fair. I also consider people complaining about the team 24/7 while fuelling that same team ridiculous.

Agree to disagree.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


If you dont want to spend money don't but telling another grown man how to enjoy tome with his money, wife, kids is ridiculous.



So this thread basically turned into:

You're not my mom, you can't tell me what to do!

Love it.

Duffman, I appreciated your attempt to do something about the problem, and I agree that for the better of the team, taking a short hiatus from spending would be worth a shot.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 10:05

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I find your post quite offensive. I find it offensive because I am a guy that does all the things you described. I buy my tickets and my merchandise through the good times and the bad. I am 40 yrs old, my dad is an Oilers fan so I have been an Oilers fan my whole life. I remember the 80's. I cried when Gretzky was traded. I remember the brutal 90's when they almost left. I have went through all the garbage years and there have probably been more harder years that good ones. I every time I go to an Oilers game, I drive over and hour and a half from Red Deer and I drive that same over hour and a half to get home. I love my team and I am not ashamed to say that I am not much of a hockey fan, I am an Oilers fan. So I am the exact guy you listed as being "part of the problem".

Am I happy about the team and where it is? NO I am very pissed off. My wife will attest that when the Oilers win, I am happy, when they lose I am not happy. Last season was one of the more enjoyable seasons I have had with the Oilers in a very long time. So I am really, really unhappy with how this season has gone.

I am sure you will ask me, "if you are unhappy with the team, why do you keep giving a mediocre team your money. Send a message, stop spending." First of all. I don't for a second think that the owners goal in this is to just make money and doesn't give a damn about winning. I severely doubt he is sitting in his office, giggling and laughing saying "these stupid fans keep giving me their money even when I put out a crap team on the ice. Peter, let's trade someone else and see how bad we can make them. hahahaha". You don't get to be a billionaire by mailing things in, not giving a damn and not being a guy who doesn't win A LOT. You don't get to be a billionaire by not having an incredible ego and expecting the absolute BEST. These owners didn't make their money in sports teams, they got their money by WINNING in business. They are accustom to winning. Owning a sports team isn't so much of an investment as it is a luxury. You are part of an exclusive group and it a thing to brag about. "Look at my team." So these owners would want to go into any owners meeting with the ability to smile and know their team is better than someone elses. I don't for a second believe these owners would be happy their team sucks even if they are making money. Would it help lessen the sting of losing if you were making money, probably. But these guys are in it to WIN. I would be willing to bet that when these guys go to talk to their financial guys, owing a professional sports team isn't at the top of the list of ways to make money.

Why do I keep going to games, keep spending and find your post so offensive? I love watching Oilers hockey. Even when they lose, yes I am mad they lost and frustrated but I get a thrill out of watching them. Now that they have McDavid, there is an even bigger thrill. For me, as much as I like watching game on TV, there is nothing like being live at the game. I am blessed to have the financial means to be able to afford to go to games. So if I stop going, I will literally be stopping doing something that I love to do. My wife is an Oilers fan and she likes going to games. She doesn't watch Oilers hockey as much as I do but when she is at a live game, she is jumping and reacting more than I do. While I buy ticket packs with some buddies, I usually take her to a couple of games. We have tickets for tomorrow nights game. We will probably go for dinner, maybe get there a little early to play at the casino, then hit up the game. So we are having a little "Date night." She is pumped. So there is no chance in hell that I am going to go to her and say. "Gee honey, I know how much you look forward to our yearly Oilers date night but the team isn't where I want to be so we aren't going anymore." I am not going to cancel something she looks forward too. How is it fair to punish her for the Oilers woes? I have 2 small kids, 7 and soon to be 5 in April. There dad is an Oilers fan so guess what, they are too. My oldest was begging to go to an Oilers game for 2 years. So I took him on the New years eve game. He can't WAIT to go to his next game. I am not going to tell my oldest son. "Sorry buddy, no more Oilers games for you until they get better." He didn't do anything wrong. How is it right to take away some happiness, joy and memories he will get from going to a game? My almost 5 yr old had skating lessons last night. As I am getting him all geared up, he likes to wear his orange McDavid jersey he ASKED FOR and got for Christmas on the ice. As I am pulling it over his head, I say "are you ready to go Curtis?" He goes "I'm not Curtis, I am Connor. When I skate, I am Connor McDavid!!" So how do I go to my 5 yr old and say "Sorry buddy, you can't have an Oilers hat or t-shirt or jersey or Oilers mini stick until the Oilers get better." Or When he is old enough to go to his first game. How do I explain to him why he can't go? How do I crush my sons dreams of going to an Oilers game and use the excuse "Well they aren't good enough so we aren't going."

I have gotten pretty wordy and pretty passionate in this response but I can't stand it when someone puts up a post like you did and tell me that I am part of the problem and say that it is MY FAULT that the team isn't doing as well as we all would like all because I continue to support the team because I enjoy it and I want to make MEMORIES with my family.


you and I disagree on a lot, sometimes with more venom than either of us need to use, but it is clear we likely have more in common that not.
I am also 40, 3 kids (21, 9, 7) 2 of the 3 are Oiler fans, etc, etc.

I agree almost 100% with your post. the differences are mostly based on me being 6 hours from a game rather than the 90 mins you do.

In the end a "boycott" of the team hurts the fans more than Katz. While I don't know the details of all of his money making ventures the Oilers are likely way down the list of ways he makes money or more accurately expects to make money.

What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.

All money talk aside it is a game and it is entertainment. Is it more fun when the win? damn straight. Do I still like watching right now, not as much and not every minute of every game but I still watch.
do I still fly in most years for at least one game? Yep.
I also drive to Winnipeg for as many Oiler games as I can against the Jets. And every time I have a jersey and a hat on that makes me "part of the problem" as well..
My oldest worked at a sports store McDavids draft year. I was the only person at our draft party with a legit McDavid Oilers jersey the day he was drafted. My youngest is a boy who loved Hall. He asked for a McDavid Jersey the week after Hall was traded.
He loves when the Oilers play on Sat night as he gets to stay up late with me and watch the game, just like I did with my dad.

In the end I think those that post on a board like this are the BIG fans. I would guess we are all older than your average internet poster.

If you dont want to spend money don't but telling another grown man how to enjoy tome with his money, wife, kids is ridiculous.






Good post. I will write this day down as the day we actually have a post we agree on. icon_lol



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What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 08:11

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 15 March 2018 22:00

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



I feel like you are vastly overestimating the impact of the Oilers on Katz overall prosperity.

Now, there is a lot that plays into the valuation of the franchise but
According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/profile/daryl-katz/) Katz has a net worth of $3 Billion

According to Forbes as well the Oilers are currently valued at $520 M. (https://www.forbes.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/) Gate reciepts show at $73M. I know that the proposed boycott includes shirts, hats, beer etc so that will be larger but that 73M represents a pretty small portion of Katz's overall cash flow I would assume.

Now, the price he paid, $450 Million, is a pretty big chunk of that net worth and it has increased $70 million. that is about 2% of a bump in his net worth.

So if people simply quit going to games, buying hats, etc what is the lowest the team would drop? The lowest team on the Forbes list is the Coyotes at $300 Million. If the Oilers bottomed out and Katz sold them for that amount he would lose $220M, or 5% of his current net worth

I have no idea how much my net worth is but I can tell you I am comfortably middle class. I have had fluctuations in my yearly income because of bonus structures that would amount to 5% and I can tell you it didn't have much of an impact.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to stop watching, paying, or whatever have at it but pretending Katz will feel any effect is funny at best and delusional at worst.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 09:38

Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 08:11

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 15 March 2018 22:00

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



I feel like you are vastly overestimating the impact of the Oilers on Katz overall prosperity.

Now, there is a lot that plays into the valuation of the franchise but
According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/profile/daryl-katz/) Katz has a net worth of $3 Billion

According to Forbes as well the Oilers are currently valued at $520 M. (https://www.forbes.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/) Gate reciepts show at $73M. I know that the proposed boycott includes shirts, hats, beer etc so that will be larger but that 73M represents a pretty small portion of Katz's overall cash flow I would assume.

Now, the price he paid, $450 Million, is a pretty big chunk of that net worth and it has increased $70 million. that is about 2% of a bump in his net worth.

So if people simply quit going to games, buying hats, etc what is the lowest the team would drop? The lowest team on the Forbes list is the Coyotes at $300 Million. If the Oilers bottomed out and Katz sold them for that amount he would lose $220M, or 5% of his current net worth

I have no idea how much my net worth is but I can tell you I am comfortably middle class. I have had fluctuations in my yearly income because of bonus structures that would amount to 5% and I can tell you it didn't have much of an impact.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to stop watching, paying, or whatever have at it but pretending Katz will feel any effect is funny at best and delusional at worst.

Good post. I totally agree with what you said. If people stopped going, it would be shot to the ego maybe for Katz but he wouldn't feel it. I don't even think he would take a loss if he sold it. The Canes got sold for 420. They haven't drawn squat in many years and in reality even when they were good, there were still empty seats because they aren't in a good hockey market. I don't know what their ticket prices are but I would bet money they are considerably less than the Oilers. So even if they sell out the building, I bet what they take in on game day revenue pales in comparison to Edmonton. That would include boxes and advertising. So if a team in a non traditional, poor hockey market who's probably lost money for the majority of their 21 yr existence in Carolina can sell for 420 mill, no way Katz loses money on the Oilers. Absolute worst case, he breaks even.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 09:38

Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 08:11

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 15 March 2018 22:00

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



I feel like you are vastly overestimating the impact of the Oilers on Katz overall prosperity.

Now, there is a lot that plays into the valuation of the franchise but
According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/profile/daryl-katz/) Katz has a net worth of $3 Billion

According to Forbes as well the Oilers are currently valued at $520 M. (https://www.forbes.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/) Gate reciepts show at $73M. I know that the proposed boycott includes shirts, hats, beer etc so that will be larger but that 73M represents a pretty small portion of Katz's overall cash flow I would assume.

Now, the price he paid, $450 Million, is a pretty big chunk of that net worth and it has increased $70 million. that is about 2% of a bump in his net worth.

So if people simply quit going to games, buying hats, etc what is the lowest the team would drop? The lowest team on the Forbes list is the Coyotes at $300 Million. If the Oilers bottomed out and Katz sold them for that amount he would lose $220M, or 5% of his current net worth

I have no idea how much my net worth is but I can tell you I am comfortably middle class. I have had fluctuations in my yearly income because of bonus structures that would amount to 5% and I can tell you it didn't have much of an impact.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to stop watching, paying, or whatever have at it but pretending Katz will feel any effect is funny at best and delusional at worst.


So, if gate revenues decreased by 35% ($25,000,000), you don't think that would affect him? How much do you think the team nets? When does the team start losing revenue to the point of creating a loss? I doubt the rate of return/NOI magin is over 30%.

Also, much of Katz's wealth is in real estate, which typically generates a rate of return of 4.5% to 8.5%, pretty low margin stuff. So, the Oilers might be a sizable portion of his cash flow.

If the Oilers franchise went bankrupt, he'd lose 17.33% of his net worth, plus a massive rent liability, so it's pretty safe to say that the team does impact his pocket book.

Then again, maybe he doesn't care about 17% of his net worth or $22,000,000 (estimated as 30% of revenue) of annual income. If I had $10M and lost $1.7, I doubt I'd care. So it probably doesn't matter. But what if it does?

Believing that you have no impact is pathetic. Expecially considering how social media can change giants on a dime. Ask The Donald.

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Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 11:06

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 09:38

Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 08:11

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 15 March 2018 22:00

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



I feel like you are vastly overestimating the impact of the Oilers on Katz overall prosperity.

Now, there is a lot that plays into the valuation of the franchise but
According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/profile/daryl-katz/) Katz has a net worth of $3 Billion

According to Forbes as well the Oilers are currently valued at $520 M. (https://www.forbes.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/) Gate reciepts show at $73M. I know that the proposed boycott includes shirts, hats, beer etc so that will be larger but that 73M represents a pretty small portion of Katz's overall cash flow I would assume.

Now, the price he paid, $450 Million, is a pretty big chunk of that net worth and it has increased $70 million. that is about 2% of a bump in his net worth.

So if people simply quit going to games, buying hats, etc what is the lowest the team would drop? The lowest team on the Forbes list is the Coyotes at $300 Million. If the Oilers bottomed out and Katz sold them for that amount he would lose $220M, or 5% of his current net worth

I have no idea how much my net worth is but I can tell you I am comfortably middle class. I have had fluctuations in my yearly income because of bonus structures that would amount to 5% and I can tell you it didn't have much of an impact.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to stop watching, paying, or whatever have at it but pretending Katz will feel any effect is funny at best and delusional at worst.


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If his NDA's are working with prospective actresses, I'm not sure he even has the time or energy left to care.



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Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 11:06

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 09:38

Magnum wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 08:11

mightyreasoner wrote on Thu, 15 March 2018 22:00

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 12:28


What happens if the fans do stop spending like Duffman suggest (commands???) and he sells the team, not because of the money but because he is bored, as billionaires playing games sometimes do?
Who buys the team then? No fan support, losing, small market, etc? That is when the threat of them moving returns when a new owner comes in, buys them cheap and moves them.



Not that is really makes much of a difference to the overall argument, and like I said earlier, I don't think Katz is really all that concerned about the on-ice product or the financial impact it has, but didn't the new arena come with a 30-year location agreement? Meaning that any sale of the Oilers would have to keep them in Edmonton?

So hypothetically, I guess nobody could show up, Katz could bleed money, and then he could sell the team, but it would be to someone who had to keep them here in Edmonton (thus hurting the price of the sale at that point). But it won't happen, it probably shouldn't happen, and again, we are banking on the fact that Katz sees this as more than his hobby or toy.


A profitable hobby.

If there was a loss of revenue or half empty arenas, he would feel it.



I feel like you are vastly overestimating the impact of the Oilers on Katz overall prosperity.

Now, there is a lot that plays into the valuation of the franchise but
According to Forbes (https://www.forbes.com/profile/daryl-katz/) Katz has a net worth of $3 Billion

According to Forbes as well the Oilers are currently valued at $520 M. (https://www.forbes.com/teams/edmonton-oilers/) Gate reciepts show at $73M. I know that the proposed boycott includes shirts, hats, beer etc so that will be larger but that 73M represents a pretty small portion of Katz's overall cash flow I would assume.

Now, the price he paid, $450 Million, is a pretty big chunk of that net worth and it has increased $70 million. that is about 2% of a bump in his net worth.

So if people simply quit going to games, buying hats, etc what is the lowest the team would drop? The lowest team on the Forbes list is the Coyotes at $300 Million. If the Oilers bottomed out and Katz sold them for that amount he would lose $220M, or 5% of his current net worth

I have no idea how much my net worth is but I can tell you I am comfortably middle class. I have had fluctuations in my yearly income because of bonus structures that would amount to 5% and I can tell you it didn't have much of an impact.

In the end, if it makes you feel better to stop watching, paying, or whatever have at it but pretending Katz will feel any effect is funny at best and delusional at worst.


So, if gate revenues decreased by 35% ($25,000,000), you don't think that would affect him? How much do you think the team nets? When does the team start losing revenue to the point of creating a loss? I doubt the rate of return/NOI magin is over 30%.

Also, much of Katz's wealth is in real estate, which typically generates a rate of return of 4.5% to 8.5%, pretty low margin stuff. So, the Oilers might be a sizable portion of his cash flow.

If the Oilers franchise went bankrupt, he'd lose 17.33% of his net worth, plus a massive rent liability, so it's pretty safe to say that the team does impact his pocket book.

Then again, maybe he doesn't care about 17% of his net worth or $22,000,000 (estimated as 30% of revenue) of annual income. If I had $10M and lost $1.7, I doubt I'd care. So it probably doesn't matter. But what if it does?

Believing that you have no impact is pathetic. Expecially considering how social media can change giants on a dime. Ask The Donald.




I used numbers from Forbes to but some level of math to it. I think I even aimed low in that worst case scenario is him selling the team for the value of the lowest currently valued team.

The amount of mental gymnastics required to believe that ANY level of fan revolt would cause the team to go bankrupt is really hard of me to get on board with.

You seem to be prone to hyperbole as a defense mechanism when challenged. Well, that or sarcasm, which I appreciate, to be honest.

Realistically what impact do you really think could be done to Katz's bottom line?
I think there are more fans who go and enjoy it to some degree regardless than there are fans you could convince to not renew season tickets and not buy any merch.

The fact that for the last decade the building was mostly full, and the season ticket waiting list isnt getting shorter, is testament to that.

to the comment comparing our conversation on impact to social media and Trump is not exactly apples to apples.
I would bet that there are more tweets in regards to Trump in an hour than there are about the Oilers in a 24 period that includes two Oiler games.


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Then again, maybe he doesn't care about 17% of his net worth or $22,000,000 (estimated as 30% of revenue) of annual income. If I had $10M and lost $1.7, I doubt I'd care. So it probably doesn't matter. But what if it does?




In the end it would come down to what he gets from value from owning the team. If it really is hanging out with his child hood idols and being part of the billionaire cool kids club than in the end he wont care about the money.
If it is business I still dont believe there are enough fans who delve as deep as we do here into the team to be at the point of withholding dollars.

I bolded the above as we can agree to disagree as the only right answer is the one to that question and we will never know that.



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In the end it would come down to what he gets from value from owning the team. If it really is hanging out with his child hood idols and being part of the billionaire cool kids club than in the end he wont care about the money.
If it is business I still dont believe there are enough fans who delve as deep as we do here into the team to be at the point of withholding dollars.



It's a big problem - what motivates a billionaire owner if he doesn't care? Certainly, me not buying a hat isn't going to change the world.

I assume that there's a certain amount of care about profit from the Oilers. If there wasn't, they wouldn't constantly be trying to suck the last cent out of the fans.

I would think ego would be a motivator too, and that having a building that was partways empty and talked about on twitter and on broadcasts would be embarrassing, but then the team has been a laughingstock the entire time he's been the owner and he's never been embarrassed enough about that to make real changes.

I honestly don't know how you convince Katz to care.



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PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 14:29


In the end it would come down to what he gets from value from owning the team. If it really is hanging out with his child hood idols and being part of the billionaire cool kids club than in the end he wont care about the money.
If it is business I still dont believe there are enough fans who delve as deep as we do here into the team to be at the point of withholding dollars.



It's a big problem - what motivates a billionaire owner if he doesn't care? Certainly, me not buying a hat isn't going to change the world.

I assume that there's a certain amount of care about profit from the Oilers. If there wasn't, they wouldn't constantly be trying to suck the last cent out of the fans.

I would think ego would be a motivator too, and that having a building that was partways empty and talked about on twitter and on broadcasts would be embarrassing, but then the team has been a laughingstock the entire time he's been the owner and he's never been embarrassed enough about that to make real changes.

I honestly don't know how you convince Katz to care.

He doesn't care and you can't convince him to.

What did it take to change the fortunes of the Leafs under Ballard or the Blackhawks under Bill Wirtz? There is nothing to suggest that there's anything the fans could have done aside for wait for the owners to die. I hate to say that, I really do, but it's true. If you're in this for the long haul, you're playing the waiting game. Katz needs to move on. That's the only thing we fans are waiting for. Does not purchasing a hat do anything to Katz? No. Of course not. But it does keep 30 bucks in your pocket. I stopped buying season tickets 4 years ago. That changed exactly nothing in regards to the Oilers performance and Katz's bottom line, but I had an extra few thousand to spend on other things. C'est la vie. Katz carries on. The Oilers carry on. I carry on. We wait for the son to take over.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 15:34

Adam wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 15:25

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 14:29


In the end it would come down to what he gets from value from owning the team. If it really is hanging out with his child hood idols and being part of the billionaire cool kids club than in the end he wont care about the money.
If it is business I still dont believe there are enough fans who delve as deep as we do here into the team to be at the point of withholding dollars.



It's a big problem - what motivates a billionaire owner if he doesn't care? Certainly, me not buying a hat isn't going to change the world.

I assume that there's a certain amount of care about profit from the Oilers. If there wasn't, they wouldn't constantly be trying to suck the last cent out of the fans.

I would think ego would be a motivator too, and that having a building that was partways empty and talked about on twitter and on broadcasts would be embarrassing, but then the team has been a laughingstock the entire time he's been the owner and he's never been embarrassed enough about that to make real changes.

I honestly don't know how you convince Katz to care.

He doesn't care and you can't convince him to.

What did it take to change the fortunes of the Leafs under Ballard or the Blackhawks under Bill Wirtz? There is nothing to suggest that there's anything the fans could have done aside for wait for the owners to die. I hate to say that, I really do, but it's true. If you're in this for the long haul, you're playing the waiting game. Katz needs to move on. That's the only thing we fans are waiting for. Does not purchasing a hat do anything to Katz? No. Of course not. But it does keep 30 bucks in your pocket. I stopped buying season tickets 4 years ago. That changed exactly nothing in regards to the Oilers performance and Katz's bottom line, but I had an extra few thousand to spend on other things. C'est la vie. Katz carries on. The Oilers carry on. I carry on. We wait for the son to take over.

I hope you all enjoy losing as much as I do, because that's all we're getting.


Pi's right. If we expect our fortunes to change under our ex-pharma owner turned movie big wig, we are going to have to wait for a long time before Katz jr. takes over. Maybe then our fortunes will change. I hate to say, the sucking will continue for some time.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 15:34

Adam wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 15:25

PlusOne wrote on Fri, 16 March 2018 14:29


In the end it would come down to what he gets from value from owning the team. If it really is hanging out with his child hood idols and being part of the billionaire cool kids club than in the end he wont care about the money.
If it is business I still dont believe there are enough fans who delve as deep as we do here into the team to be at the point of withholding dollars.



It's a big problem - what motivates a billionaire owner if he doesn't care? Certainly, me not buying a hat isn't going to change the world.

I assume that there's a certain amount of care about profit from the Oilers. If there wasn't, they wouldn't constantly be trying to suck the last cent out of the fans.

I would think ego would be a motivator too, and that having a building that was partways empty and talked about on twitter and on broadcasts would be embarrassing, but then the team has been a laughingstock the entire time he's been the owner and he's never been embarrassed enough about that to make real changes.

I honestly don't know how you convince Katz to care.

He doesn't care and you can't convince him to.

What did it take to change the fortunes of the Leafs under Ballard or the Blackhawks under Bill Wirtz? There is nothing to suggest that there's anything the fans could have done aside for wait for the owners to die. I hate to say that, I really do, but it's true. If you're in this for the long haul, you're playing the waiting game. Katz needs to move on. That's the only thing we fans are waiting for. Does not purchasing a hat do anything to Katz? No. Of course not. But it does keep 30 bucks in your pocket. I stopped buying season tickets 4 years ago. That changed exactly nothing in regards to the Oilers performance and Katz's bottom line, but I had an extra few thousand to spend on other things. C'est la vie. Katz carries on. The Oilers carry on. I carry on. We wait for the son to take over.

I hope you all enjoy losing as much as I do, because that's all we're getting.


Pi's right. If we expect our fortunes to change under our ex-pharma owner turned movie big wig, we are going to have to wait for a long time before Katz jr. takes over. Maybe then our fortunes will change. I hate to say, the sucking will continue for some time.


That is why my Oilers money is being spent elsewhere. Not interested in contributing to a problem... except corporately, I'll contribute there... FML.



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....here's a somewhat different viewpoint from a fan that I would describe as Tier 1 +....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-fan-f ather-promise-1.4593413

...."Lynn Mercereau won't be joining the onslaught of Oilers fans threatening to cancel their season tickets out of frustration with another failed season.

She has a promise to keep.
Mercereau attends every Oilers home game she can in memory of her late father.
In 2011, Mercereau made a pact with her dying father to always "stick it out" through the team's troubles, and keep his seat warm in the stands." ....

....by the way, where has Duffman been since creating this thread?...




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GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 March 2018 08:09

....here's a somewhat different viewpoint from a fan that I would describe as Tier 1 +....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-fan-f ather-promise-1.4593413

...."Lynn Mercereau won't be joining the onslaught of Oilers fans threatening to cancel their season tickets out of frustration with another failed season.

She has a promise to keep.
Mercereau attends every Oilers home game she can in memory of her late father.
In 2011, Mercereau made a pact with her dying father to always "stick it out" through the team's troubles, and keep his seat warm in the stands." ....

....by the way, where has Duffman been since creating this thread?...

I don't believe the Oilers view this level of emotional attachment as anything more than a marketable commodity.



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CrusaderPi wrote on Tue, 27 March 2018 08:15

GabbyDugan wrote on Tue, 27 March 2018 08:09

....here's a somewhat different viewpoint from a fan that I would describe as Tier 1 +....

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/edmonton-oilers-fan-f ather-promise-1.4593413

...."Lynn Mercereau won't be joining the onslaught of Oilers fans threatening to cancel their season tickets out of frustration with another failed season.

She has a promise to keep.
Mercereau attends every Oilers home game she can in memory of her late father.
In 2011, Mercereau made a pact with her dying father to always "stick it out" through the team's troubles, and keep his seat warm in the stands." ....

....by the way, where has Duffman been since creating this thread?...

I don't believe the Oilers view this level of emotional attachment as anything more than a marketable commodity.


What a BS article, it's a sob story about a daughter keeping a promise to her dad.. Great, that's her thing but it's a terrible look on the Oilers if they think that this story is a reason to keep your tickets. Sad if that is the case.




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DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I take it that you're not a season ticket holder. I'd gamble that your response would be "I'm not, but with the way the team is now, I wouldn't be" Fair. It's your money do what you feel you need to do.

A few items that would need to drop off before the organization needs take attention of the fans, first is the registry with some being there for years, and the fact that it's over 2500 names with every person submitting a $200 refundable deposit and a yearly fee of $75 you can plainly see that that list needs to expire before the organization even sweats at losing a current holder.

Now I'd assume you're thinking, you're buying tickets to the Oilers supporting the Oilers. Okay, let's look at that.. I'd rather watch hockey, just simply hockey, the best hockey there is and I'd like to watch it live, unfiltered and with my own eyes. Since I can't walk down the street to another NHL rink and plop down my money to watch the best hockey there is, I have to waddle up to Rogers and plunk my money down to see the Oilers play hockey against another team. Am I supporting the Oilers? Not from that view, I just want to see hockey.

Now following the Oilers, financially supporting the team for my seasons tickets using my money? My view is there is no rationalization I need to give you but rather you need to give me of why you are following a team when you don't contribute to the successes of the team so they can afford to go out and get those players. When the Oilers have done bone head decisions and got fleeced on traded it's my darn right to phone up the people as a customer of the Oilers and chew their ear off and you know what? They have to pay someone to listen to me, why? Because I'm a paying customer. You're not paying them, I am. Realize that the one finger you are pointing at us season ticket holders there are 3 pointing directly back at you, why aren't you contributing to the cause? What are you ding to keep the Oilers in this small market, what are you doing at all except sitting in your place of shame and shouting at us contributing to keeping the team here.

You could say the citizens built the arena for the Oilers. Yes, yes we did. However we didn't build the 67 and 55 story towers, the development of ice district, or revitalization of downtown. We started the ball rolling with that rink, and we knew that it would do that.

In the end Duffman, I pay their bills. I pay to be there, I pay and pay and pay, on the Oilers having the darn CHANCE at winning the cup. The same as any of the 30 franchises hoping to be that 31st team who wins the cup. I can complain because I pay their bills, what do you do?

Nothing, that's what you do. Not a darn thing but to chastise the fans that anti-up their hard earned dollars to the team to keep them here and watch the sport we all do. That's not a slight to you saying you do nothing, you don't except maybe buy the odd jersey. It's a statement of fact. Please don't take offense.

You're hurting, I get that, so I am my friend. However without understanding the economics of how the team gets its money, the season seat registry, the season ticket holders buying the tickets and have the expectation that withholding resources will somehow hurt the team. It's not going to make a dent.

What can? Go to the game, cheer what you want and hopefully without saying obscenities make your feelings known to the team, bring signs. Talk to other fans and start a movement to make a statement about the team. Especially on national TV. If you feel that motivated, do it. Again hopefully in a sensible way.

I'm not offended as RD is, not at all in fact. I just think you're mad at the whole idea and while hurting the pocketbook is a statement, the games are where the real feelings are.

Carry on Duff, carry on indeed.




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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 14:47

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I take it that you're not a season ticket holder. I'd gamble that your response would be "I'm not, but with the way the team is now, I wouldn't be" Fair. It's your money do what you feel you need to do.

A few items that would need to drop off before the organization needs take attention of the fans, first is the registry with some being there for years, and the fact that it's over 2500 names with every person submitting a $200 refundable deposit and a yearly fee of $75 you can plainly see that that list needs to expire before the organization even sweats at losing a current holder.

Now I'd assume you're thinking, you're buying tickets to the Oilers supporting the Oilers. Okay, let's look at that.. I'd rather watch hockey, just simply hockey, the best hockey there is and I'd like to watch it live, unfiltered and with my own eyes. Since I can't walk down the street to another NHL rink and plop down my money to watch the best hockey there is, I have to waddle up to Rogers and plunk my money down to see the Oilers play hockey against another team. Am I supporting the Oilers? Not from that view, I just want to see hockey.

Now following the Oilers, financially supporting the team for my seasons tickets using my money? My view is there is no rationalization I need to give you but rather you need to give me of why you are following a team when you don't contribute to the successes of the team so they can afford to go out and get those players. When the Oilers have done bone head decisions and got fleeced on traded it's my darn right to phone up the people as a customer of the Oilers and chew their ear off and you know what? They have to pay someone to listen to me, why? Because I'm a paying customer. You're not paying them, I am. Realize that the one finger you are pointing at us season ticket holders there are 3 pointing directly back at you, why aren't you contributing to the cause? What are you ding to keep the Oilers in this small market, what are you doing at all except sitting in your place of shame and shouting at us contributing to keeping the team here.

You could say the citizens built the arena for the Oilers. Yes, yes we did. However we didn't build the 67 and 55 story towers, the development of ice district, or revitalization of downtown. We started the ball rolling with that rink, and we knew that it would do that.

In the end Duffman, I pay their bills. I pay to be there, I pay and pay and pay, on the Oilers having the darn CHANCE at winning the cup. The same as any of the 30 franchises hoping to be that 31st team who wins the cup. I can complain because I pay their bills, what do you do?

Nothing, that's what you do. Not a darn thing but to chastise the fans that anti-up their hard earned dollars to the team to keep them here and watch the sport we all do. That's not a slight to you saying you do nothing, you don't except maybe buy the odd jersey. It's a statement of fact. Please don't take offense.

You're hurting, I get that, so I am my friend. However without understanding the economics of how the team gets its money, the season seat registry, the season ticket holders buying the tickets and have the expectation that withholding resources will somehow hurt the team. It's not going to make a dent.

What can? Go to the game, cheer what you want and hopefully without saying obscenities make your feelings known to the team, bring signs. Talk to other fans and start a movement to make a statement about the team. Especially on national TV. If you feel that motivated, do it. Again hopefully in a sensible way.

I'm not offended as RD is, not at all in fact. I just think you're mad at the whole idea and while hurting the pocketbook is a statement, the games are where the real feelings are.

Carry on Duff, carry on indeed.



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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 14:47

DUFFMAN wrote on Thu, 08 March 2018 15:30

Is to stop filling Katz's pockets with money when he delivers a mediocre product. If you're still buying tickets to games, merchandise, rugs, mugs, posters, branded sticks, flags, t-shirts, anything at all - you are part of the problem. If you are still forking over your hard-earned shekels then you are bankrolling MacTavish, Lowe, Chiarelli, Fayne, Pouliot, Howson, Jay "Power Play" Woodcroft and the rest. If you are financially contributing to this mess then how do rationalize your right to complain? Walk away, go outside and make them bleed.


I take it that you're not a season ticket holder. I'd gamble that your response would be "I'm not, but with the way the team is now, I wouldn't be" Fair. It's your money do what you feel you need to do.

A few items that would need to drop off before the organization needs take attention of the fans, first is the registry with some being there for years, and the fact that it's over 2500 names with every person submitting a $200 refundable deposit and a yearly fee of $75 you can plainly see that that list needs to expire before the organization even sweats at losing a current holder.

Now I'd assume you're thinking, you're buying tickets to the Oilers supporting the Oilers. Okay, let's look at that.. I'd rather watch hockey, just simply hockey, the best hockey there is and I'd like to watch it live, unfiltered and with my own eyes. Since I can't walk down the street to another NHL rink and plop down my money to watch the best hockey there is, I have to waddle up to Rogers and plunk my money down to see the Oilers play hockey against another team. Am I supporting the Oilers? Not from that view, I just want to see hockey.

Now following the Oilers, financially supporting the team for my seasons tickets using my money? My view is there is no rationalization I need to give you but rather you need to give me of why you are following a team when you don't contribute to the successes of the team so they can afford to go out and get those players. When the Oilers have done bone head decisions and got fleeced on traded it's my darn right to phone up the people as a customer of the Oilers and chew their ear off and you know what? They have to pay someone to listen to me, why? Because I'm a paying customer. You're not paying them, I am. Realize that the one finger you are pointing at us season ticket holders there are 3 pointing directly back at you, why aren't you contributing to the cause? What are you ding to keep the Oilers in this small market, what are you doing at all except sitting in your place of shame and shouting at us contributing to keeping the team here.

You could say the citizens built the arena for the Oilers. Yes, yes we did. However we didn't build the 67 and 55 story towers, the development of ice district, or revitalization of downtown. We started the ball rolling with that rink, and we knew that it would do that.

In the end Duffman, I pay their bills. I pay to be there, I pay and pay and pay, on the Oilers having the darn CHANCE at winning the cup. The same as any of the 30 franchises hoping to be that 31st team who wins the cup. I can complain because I pay their bills, what do you do?

Nothing, that's what you do. Not a darn thing but to chastise the fans that anti-up their hard earned dollars to the team to keep them here and watch the sport we all do. That's not a slight to you saying you do nothing, you don't except maybe buy the odd jersey. It's a statement of fact. Please don't take offense.

You're hurting, I get that, so I am my friend. However without understanding the economics of how the team gets its money, the season seat registry, the season ticket holders buying the tickets and have the expectation that withholding resources will somehow hurt the team. It's not going to make a dent.

What can? Go to the game, cheer what you want and hopefully without saying obscenities make your feelings known to the team, bring signs. Talk to other fans and start a movement to make a statement about the team. Especially on national TV. If you feel that motivated, do it. Again hopefully in a sensible way.

I'm not offended as RD is, not at all in fact. I just think you're mad at the whole idea and while hurting the pocketbook is a statement, the games are where the real feelings are.

Carry on Duff, carry on indeed.




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My suggestion: take up other hobbies and forms of entertainment so that you can take your mind off the Oilers when necessary. I find that this also helps with things like waiting for certain books (*cough*WINDS OF @#%@$#@ WINTER*cough*) to finally be published.

Get into video games, join a gym, something. I did this because I learned a long time ago that if I don't want to die of a stroke before I hit 50, I need to keep my blood pressure down as much as possible by not focusing on a team that has made me mad more often than happy for most of the past 11 years. The Oilers stink again? Time to fire up the Nintendo Switch and play "Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild" for a long while.



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I think duffman had one to may duffs.


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Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 15:29

My suggestion: take up other hobbies and forms of entertainment so that you can take your mind off the Oilers when necessary. I find that this also helps with things like waiting for certain books (*cough*WINDS OF @#%@$#@ WINTER*cough*) to finally be published.

Get into video games, join a gym, something. I did this because I learned a long time ago that if I don't want to die of a stroke before I hit 50, I need to keep my blood pressure down as much as possible by not focusing on a team that has made me mad more often than happy for most of the past 11 years. The Oilers stink again? Time to fire up the Nintendo Switch and play "Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild" for a long while.


Derailing the thread.. What a good game. You can lose 4 hours just like that and it's been a while since I could say that!



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Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 15:58

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 15:29

My suggestion: take up other hobbies and forms of entertainment so that you can take your mind off the Oilers when necessary. I find that this also helps with things like waiting for certain books (*cough*WINDS OF @#%@$#@ WINTER*cough*) to finally be published.

Get into video games, join a gym, something. I did this because I learned a long time ago that if I don't want to die of a stroke before I hit 50, I need to keep my blood pressure down as much as possible by not focusing on a team that has made me mad more often than happy for most of the past 11 years. The Oilers stink again? Time to fire up the Nintendo Switch and play "Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild" for a long while.


Derailing the thread.. What a good game. You can lose 4 hours just like that and it's been a while since I could say that!


That game is like the McDavid of video games. And Nintendo is the Oilers. The only good thing they have is all ways the best out there, but a big drop off after that. I mean Skyrim in is like Nuge: awesome, but cooler a few years ago. Mario kart 8 is guaranteed fun, but you know what to expect, so it can be Draisaitl?



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Xombie wrote on Sun, 11 March 2018 12:55

Rocksteady wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 15:58

Ragnarok73 wrote on Fri, 09 March 2018 15:29

My suggestion: take up other hobbies and forms of entertainment so that you can take your mind off the Oilers when necessary. I find that this also helps with things like waiting for certain books (*cough*WINDS OF @#%@$#@ WINTER*cough*) to finally be published.

Get into video games, join a gym, something. I did this because I learned a long time ago that if I don't want to die of a stroke before I hit 50, I need to keep my blood pressure down as much as possible by not focusing on a team that has made me mad more often than happy for most of the past 11 years. The Oilers stink again? Time to fire up the Nintendo Switch and play "Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild" for a long while.


Derailing the thread.. What a good game. You can lose 4 hours just like that and it's been a while since I could say that!


That game is like the McDavid of video games. And Nintendo is the Oilers. The only good thing they have is all ways the best out there, but a big drop off after that. I mean Skyrim in is like Nuge: awesome, but cooler a few years ago. Mario kart 8 is guaranteed fun, but you know what to expect, so it can be Draisaitl?

If you're saying this, you likely haven't tried Super Mario Odyssey yet, have you?



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So as I described above the wife and I went to the Oilers game on Saturday. We had our little "date night". During the day, I heard my wife on the phone with her grandma and someone else talking about "I'm going to the Oilers game tonight, I am so excited." As Magnum suggested, we could have went to say Banff and I am sure she would have been happy to go. But is she telling people how excited she is to go to Banff? No. She would say something about "we are going to Banff and it will be nice."

We dropped the kids off at my parents. We went up early. Went for a nice dinner. My wife had on an Oilers top. She didn't bring a jersey this time. After dinner, she commented how she didn't want to bring her big coat into the game but wasn't sure she would be warm enough with the thin extra coat she had. "Did we have time to go see if she could get a sweatshirt." So we went to a Sportschek because she had a small gift card, 20 mins later we are walking out with a $70 ladies Oilers hoodie. Went to the game. We had club seats this time so my wife was extra pumped as she had never sat in club seats before. The club seats we had were super low so the players were right in front of us which she thought was really cool. 2 pucks flew over the glass right in front of us. My wife was moving and jumping in her seat every time the puck came near the goal that was in front of us. We got to see McDavid pump in 2 goals right in front of us. Oilers won. I enjoyed the night but most importantly, my wife had an absolute blast. We could have had a "date night" in Red Deer and went for dinner and went to a Rebels game. Would we have had the same experience, not a chance. We could have went to Banff as Magnum suggested. Would it have been good, I am sure it would have been. Would it have been the same experience? Not a chance. So we were a couple of those "problem fans" who support the team even when they aren't doing well and we enjoyed every freaking minute of it.




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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:05

So as I described above the wife and I went to the Oilers game on Saturday. We had our little "date night". During the day, I heard my wife on the phone with her grandma and someone else talking about "I'm going to the Oilers game tonight, I am so excited." As Magnum suggested, we could have went to say Banff and I am sure she would have been happy to go. But is she telling people how excited she is to go to Banff? No. She would say something about "we are going to Banff and it will be nice."

We dropped the kids off at my parents. We went up early. Went for a nice dinner. My wife had on an Oilers top. She didn't bring a jersey this time. After dinner, she commented how she didn't want to bring her big coat into the game but wasn't sure she would be warm enough with the thin extra coat she had. "Did we have time to go see if she could get a sweatshirt." So we went to a Sportschek because she had a small gift card, 20 mins later we are walking out with a $70 ladies Oilers hoodie. Went to the game. We had club seats this time so my wife was extra pumped as she had never sat in club seats before. The club seats we had were super low so the players were right in front of us which she thought was really cool. 2 pucks flew over the glass right in front of us. My wife was moving and jumping in her seat every time the puck came near the goal that was in front of us. We got to see McDavid pump in 2 goals right in front of us. Oilers won. I enjoyed the night but most importantly, my wife had an absolute blast. We could have had a "date night" in Red Deer and went for dinner and went to a Rebels game. Would we have had the same experience, not a chance. We could have went to Banff as Magnum suggested. Would it have been good, I am sure it would have been. Would it have been the same experience? Not a chance. So we were a couple of those "problem fans" who support the team even when they aren't doing well and we enjoyed every freaking minute of it.




Glad to hear you and the wifey had a good date night my dude!



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RDOilerfan wrote on Mon, 12 March 2018 09:05

So as I described above the wife and I went to the Oilers game on Saturday. We had our little "date night". During the day, I heard my wife on the phone with her grandma and someone else talking about "I'm going to the Oilers game tonight, I am so excited." As Magnum suggested, we could have went to say Banff and I am sure she would have been happy to go. But is she telling people how excited she is to go to Banff? No. She would say something about "we are going to Banff and it will be nice."

We dropped the kids off at my parents. We went up early. Went for a nice dinner. My wife had on an Oilers top. She didn't bring a jersey this time. After dinner, she commented how she didn't want to bring her big coat into the game but wasn't sure she would be warm enough with the thin extra coat she had. "Did we have time to go see if she could get a sweatshirt." So we went to a Sportschek because she had a small gift card, 20 mins later we are walking out with a $70 ladies Oilers hoodie. Went to the game. We had club seats this time so my wife was extra pumped as she had never sat in club seats before. The club seats we had were super low so the players were right in front of us which she thought was really cool. 2 pucks flew over the glass right in front of us. My wife was moving and jumping in her seat every time the puck came near the goal that was in front of us. We got to see McDavid pump in 2 goals right in front of us. Oilers won. I enjoyed the night but most importantly, my wife had an absolute blast. We could have had a "date night" in Red Deer and went for dinner and went to a Rebels game. Would we have had the same experience, not a chance. We could have went to Banff as Magnum suggested. Would it have been good, I am sure it would have been. Would it have been the same experience? Not a chance. So we were a couple of those "problem fans" who support the team even when they aren't doing well and we enjoyed every freaking minute of it.




Funniest post of the year, by far. smash

It's so crazy that mere days after I posted about a date alternative, your annual date night came up. That is really good timing!


I also went on a date on Saturday, I took my girlfriend to Paris to see the Eiffel Tower, and she was like: meh - I wish we were watching the Oilers in Edmonton.

It was cold in Paris, so she wasn't wearing a t-shirt, but she did go into a shop on the way from our hotel to the Eiffel Tower, and boom, five minutes later, she's walks out with a scarf.

The tickets to get into the Eiffel Tower were on sale that day, and I was pretty happy about that because after my travel voucher from the hotel, it only cost me $43.65, and that was for the tickets that let you go all the way to the top. We then went into the Tower. The Eiffel Tower was right in front of us, and sometimes it was under us!

The food was okay, but eating dinner in the Eiffel Tower is nothing like watching a 27th place NHL team, managed by one of the least successful management teams in history. There really is no substitute for propping up garbage management.

She didn't tell any of her friends and was really not impressed. She truly does prefer contributing to a problem, and really, there is no substitute for watching an Oilers team with no chance of making the playoffs. Lesson learned.

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