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Adam wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:42

Flames getting in to the action on the sell-off. Toffoli to the Devils for Yegor Sharanovich and a third round pick.

Here's Yegor's stats:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=207017

Craig Conroy's first trade is pretty underwhelming if you're a Flames fan. If you cheer for the Devils, you're pretty excited about the upgrade there. (Unless that is, you're size obsessed and think that the 6'0 Toffoli isn't big enough to change the fortunes of the Devils and the 6'2 Sharangovich will be badly missed).


Flames fans stunned that they didn't get 2 1sts and a high end prospect for Toffoli.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 18:10

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 14:57

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 16:51

Funny. I thought it was the Oilers that would destroy the Kings like they did the Flames. Turns out it was the Jets. This is one of the worst trades I've ever seen. LA got ROBBED.


It was actually the Habs coming back into the PLD sweepstakes which robbed the Kings....



Go Habs! :)


I think the jury is still out on pieces Winnipeg got in return...esp if PLD suddenly becomes a cornerstone 70+ points player annually....

Vilardi - serious health risks at this stage of his career...plays center but seems to be more effective as a complimentary winger at the NHL level...could be a good replacement for Wheeler at right wing too if his production is consistent

Kupari - I wonder what his upside is...but sounds like that they might try using him as a 3rd line center on paper when Winnipeg already has an effective bottom 6...does he have top 6 potential preferably as a 2nd line center in this league?

Iafallo - Got some 2nd line minutes...pretty good at special teams...but more of a bottom 6 winger which Winnipeg already has a bit of

2nd Round Pick - This one actually depends on how well the Habs do next year....if the Habs stink again, it'll be the equivalent of a late 1st round pick

Either way, I hope PLD parties too hard in LA and never plays up to his potential

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Wed, 28 June 2023 09:52

Skookum Jim wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 18:10

kungpaobenji27 wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 14:57

Skoobz wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 16:51

Funny. I thought it was the Oilers that would destroy the Kings like they did the Flames. Turns out it was the Jets. This is one of the worst trades I've ever seen. LA got ROBBED.


It was actually the Habs coming back into the PLD sweepstakes which robbed the Kings....



Go Habs! :)


I think the jury is still out on pieces Winnipeg got in return...esp if PLD suddenly becomes a cornerstone 70+ points player annually....

Vilardi - serious health risks at this stage of his career...plays center but seems to be more effective as a complimentary winger at the NHL level...could be a good replacement for Wheeler at right wing too if his production is consistent

Kupari - I wonder what his upside is...but sounds like that they might try using him as a 3rd line center on paper when Winnipeg already has an effective bottom 6...does he have top 6 potential preferably as a 2nd line center in this league?

Iafallo - Got some 2nd line minutes...pretty good at special teams...but more of a bottom 6 winger which Winnipeg already has a bit of

2nd Round Pick - This one actually depends on how well the Habs do next year....if the Habs stink again, it'll be the equivalent of a late 1st round pick

Either way, I hope PLD parties too hard in LA and never plays up to his potential


What are the odds that Dubois is just about to become a perrennial 70+ points guy?

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=176718

He's 25 and has three 60+ point seasons, but he's never threatened 70. Even if he does, the pieces that LA gave up should be capable of getting at least that too. That salary for Dubois looks a lot like the Nurse deal to me - way too much for what he brings. He's a good player and he's going to add something to their team, but he's really expensive now and they gave up three NHL players and a draft pick for him. That's an incredible price to pay for a guy who just isn't a superstar and who's never put up superstar numbers.

While the deal isn't risk-free for Winnipeg, I think LA got fleeced.

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Adam wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:42

Flames getting in to the action on the sell-off. Toffoli to the Devils for Yegor Sharanovich and a third round pick.

Here's Yegor's stats:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=207017

Craig Conroy's first trade is pretty underwhelming if you're a Flames fan. If you cheer for the Devils, you're pretty excited about the upgrade there. (Unless that is, you're size obsessed and think that the 6'0 Toffoli isn't big enough to change the fortunes of the Devils and the 6'2 Sharangovich will be badly missed).


Awesome trade. Toffoli was one of their most consistent 2-way players. Way to go NJ with the robbery.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 28 June 2023 11:04

Adam wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:42

Flames getting in to the action on the sell-off. Toffoli to the Devils for Yegor Sharanovich and a third round pick.

Here's Yegor's stats:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=207017

Craig Conroy's first trade is pretty underwhelming if you're a Flames fan. If you cheer for the Devils, you're pretty excited about the upgrade there. (Unless that is, you're size obsessed and think that the 6'0 Toffoli isn't big enough to change the fortunes of the Devils and the 6'2 Sharangovich will be badly missed).


Awesome trade. Toffoli was one of their most consistent 2-way players. Way to go NJ with the robbery.


And they follow it up by paying Sharangovich 75% of what they were paying Toffoli for less than 50% of the production.

Honestly, if that was the best you could do for Toffoli, I'd have kept him until the trade deadline at least. That's just a stunningly bad deal.

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Kr55 wrote on Wed, 28 June 2023 11:04

Adam wrote on Tue, 27 June 2023 17:42

Flames getting in to the action on the sell-off. Toffoli to the Devils for Yegor Sharanovich and a third round pick.

Here's Yegor's stats:

https://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=207017

Craig Conroy's first trade is pretty underwhelming if you're a Flames fan. If you cheer for the Devils, you're pretty excited about the upgrade there. (Unless that is, you're size obsessed and think that the 6'0 Toffoli isn't big enough to change the fortunes of the Devils and the 6'2 Sharangovich will be badly missed).


Awesome trade. Toffoli was one of their most consistent 2-way players. Way to go NJ with the robbery.

I do wonder if the Flames would have been better off keeping him until the deadline. This is his last year of the deal so you'd think he'd be motivated to try and put up another good season to get that final contract to end his career. So could the Flames have rode him out then got a better return at the deadline? At 4.25 mill for a guy capable of giving you 25 goals, he would have got interest for sure at the deadline. I guess they want live bodies so maybe that wouldn't have been the case at the deadline from a team loading up.

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Caleb Jones is not going to get qualified by the Hawks. His QO is 1.35 mill. Not exactly a glowing endorsement from a really bad team that just needs live bodies to fill out a roster when they won't even give you 1.35 mill to play defense.

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Timo Meire 8 yrs x 8.8 mill. I don't think it's a cheap contract but I don't think it's a bad overpay. Scored 35 then 40 goals this past year.

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Knights are after it again. Moving out the 32 year old Reilly Smith for a 3rd round pick and re-signing the 27 year Barbashev to 5 year deal saving them 250k a year in cap space.

Ross Colton is a Avalanche for a 2nd round pick.

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5 mill for Barbashev! Holy man, guys are getting paid.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Wed, 28 June 2023 15:42

5 mill for Barbashev! Holy man, guys are getting paid.


It’s a bit of a reach, but cheaper, younger and similar production to Rielly.

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Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:25

Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

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He must have been born with something?

Seems odd a guy as young as him would need this many hip surgeries. He had a surgery what was it, 2 yrs ago I think. I think he NHL career is over.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:30

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 10:25

Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

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There is word that Jesse Puljujarvi recently underwent double hip surgery and is facing a lengthy recovery. He won't receive a qualifying offer from the #hurricanes before tomorrow's deadline and will become an unrestricted free agent.


He must have been born with something?

Seems odd a guy as young as him would need this many hip surgeries. He had a surgery what was it, 2 yrs ago I think. I think he NHL career is over.


Think he had abnormal bone growth in his hips as the reason for the first surgery? Wonder if that is something that can keep coming back, or the cleanup needed can lead to other issues with the intense joint use from sports.

Doesn't sound good in any case. Wish him luck, hope he doesn't do anything to end up with a retirement of pain.

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I can't see another team going near this guy. A player that severely lacks puck skill and now has chronic hip issues. Seems like red flags to me.

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Weirdest trade of the day so far - Corey Perry from Tampa to Chicago for a 7th round pick in next year's draft.

Perry's a free agent next week, so Chicago's just getting a few extra days to negotiate with him. He's 38 and coming off a 25 point season, so how hard were you going to have to fight to get his attention on the UFA market?

I suppose it's only a 7th round pick. Notable that it's more than you can get for Kostin and Yamamoto though...

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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 14:28

Weirdest trade of the day so far - Corey Perry from Tampa to Chicago for a 7th round pick in next year's draft.

Perry's a free agent next week, so Chicago's just getting a few extra days to negotiate with him. He's 38 and coming off a 25 point season, so how hard were you going to have to fight to get his attention on the UFA market?

I suppose it's only a 7th round pick. Notable that it's more than you can get for Kostin and Yamamoto though...


It's valuable to have a guy with that kind of sway with the refs to help protect your young projected superstar.

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Cmon Chicago, 8 years for Perry!

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Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:25

Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

There is word that Jesse Puljujarvi recently underwent double hip surgery and is facing a lengthy recovery. He won't receive a qualifying offer from the #hurricanes before tomorrow's deadline and will become an unrestricted free agent.



He had (has) a hip abnormality which restricted the joint movement.. and his skating.. 1st surgery was to relieve the impingement.. get more range of motion.. appears not to have worked.. and/or caused more problems.. wishing the Bison King well.

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Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 15:14

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:25

Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

There is word that Jesse Puljujarvi recently underwent double hip surgery and is facing a lengthy recovery. He won't receive a qualifying offer from the #hurricanes before tomorrow's deadline and will become an unrestricted free agent.



He had (has) a hip abnormality which restricted the joint movement.. and his skating.. 1st surgery was to relieve the impingement.. get more range of motion.. appears not to have worked.. and/or caused more problems.. wishing the Bison King well.

He's done in the NHL. If he plays pro hockey at all, it will be in Europe for a long time.

I am looking forward to all the recognition that I was right that he would not be a long term NHLer. icon_biggrin

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RDOilerfan wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 15:18

Skookum Jim wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 15:14

Kr55 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 09:25

Poor Jesse. His hips were still a mess, maybe close to end of his career already.

Chris Johnston @reporterchris

There is word that Jesse Puljujarvi recently underwent double hip surgery and is facing a lengthy recovery. He won't receive a qualifying offer from the #hurricanes before tomorrow's deadline and will become an unrestricted free agent.



He had (has) a hip abnormality which restricted the joint movement.. and his skating.. 1st surgery was to relieve the impingement.. get more range of motion.. appears not to have worked.. and/or caused more problems.. wishing the Bison King well.

He's done in the NHL. If he plays pro hockey at all, it will be in Europe for a long time.

I am looking forward to all the recognition that I was right that he would not be a long term NHLer. icon_biggrin


Keep looking. It’s nothing to brag about, but whatever makes you feel better.

I hope the kid heals up and can resume his career.


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Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:28

Weirdest trade of the day so far - Corey Perry from Tampa to Chicago for a 7th round pick in next year's draft.

Perry's a free agent next week, so Chicago's just getting a few extra days to negotiate with him. He's 38 and coming off a 25 point season, so how hard were you going to have to fight to get his attention on the UFA market?

I suppose it's only a 7th round pick. Notable that it's more than you can get for Kostin and Yamamoto though...


Or it shows you the value of a 7th rounder. It’s like finding loose Pennie’s in your center console. Worthless to most and tossed off to the side.

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There are rumors going around that the Hawks might offer Perry a 1 yr, 4 mill deal. For a guy that was 38, he was surprisingly productive with 12 goals, 25 pts. That's pretty decent 4th line numbers but he made 1 mill and now they want to give him 4!! I get the need to bring in players to make out a roster and to get to the cap floor. But why the hell would you trade for Bailey just to buy him out. I get they got a second for him so that's decent value for the Hawks but he had a cap hit of 5 mill, if you need players and you need to make the floor PLAY HIM! I get he's overpaid for a 4th liner but for 1 yr, who cares especially if you are willing to give Perry 4 mill. Now they have a cap hit of 1.16 for next year for no real reason.

The things the Hawks are doing are just bizarre.

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inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 21:12

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:28

Weirdest trade of the day so far - Corey Perry from Tampa to Chicago for a 7th round pick in next year's draft.

Perry's a free agent next week, so Chicago's just getting a few extra days to negotiate with him. He's 38 and coming off a 25 point season, so how hard were you going to have to fight to get his attention on the UFA market?

I suppose it's only a 7th round pick. Notable that it's more than you can get for Kostin and Yamamoto though...


Or it shows you the value of a 7th rounder. It’s like finding loose Pennie’s in your center console. Worthless to most and tossed off to the side.


Except to Yzerman, who wouldn't even give that up for those two players.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 09:40

inverno76 wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 21:12

Adam wrote on Thu, 29 June 2023 12:28

Weirdest trade of the day so far - Corey Perry from Tampa to Chicago for a 7th round pick in next year's draft.

Perry's a free agent next week, so Chicago's just getting a few extra days to negotiate with him. He's 38 and coming off a 25 point season, so how hard were you going to have to fight to get his attention on the UFA market?

I suppose it's only a 7th round pick. Notable that it's more than you can get for Kostin and Yamamoto though...


Or it shows you the value of a 7th rounder. It’s like finding loose Pennie’s in your center console. Worthless to most and tossed off to the side.


Except to Yzerman, who wouldn't even give that up for those two players.


This makes more sense now...Yzerman saw no value in Yamamoto and valued Kostin so highly that he's willing to pay an extra million a year for just the right to try to sign him...

Yikes.

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Wheeler and Duchene also getting buy-outs. Interesting.

Ugly buyout for Wheeler - Winnipeg now gets two years of cap hit instead of one, and he can go sign cheap somewhere that's not Winnipeg so Wheeler is the big winner here.

Duchene is a little surprising to me. Pretty decent year last year.

Maybe they both want to come here cheap?

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Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:19

Wheeler and Duchene also getting buy-outs. Interesting.

Ugly buyout for Wheeler - Winnipeg now gets two years of cap hit instead of one, and he can go sign cheap somewhere that's not Winnipeg so Wheeler is the big winner here.

Duchene is a little surprising to me. Pretty decent year last year.

Maybe they both want to come here cheap?


The rumor is Wheeler to Dallas.....as for Duchene, not really sure what will happen to him.

-Update on Wheeler....he prefers being in the eastern conference for shorter travel times, etc

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kungpaobenji27 wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:16

Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:19

Wheeler and Duchene also getting buy-outs. Interesting.

Ugly buyout for Wheeler - Winnipeg now gets two years of cap hit instead of one, and he can go sign cheap somewhere that's not Winnipeg so Wheeler is the big winner here.

Duchene is a little surprising to me. Pretty decent year last year.

Maybe they both want to come here cheap?


The rumor is Wheeler to Dallas.....as for Duchene, not really sure what will happen to him.

Wheelers agent saying he wants to play in the Eastern conference.

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 10:53

Nashville is going to eat a 5 & 6 million dollar cap hit in years two and three of the Duchene buy out. That's a heavy heavy pill to swallow.


An...interesting tweet from Frank Seravalli:

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Barry Trotz has clearly placed an emphasis on one thing as #preds GM: Culture.
Matt Duchene had 3 years remaining at $8 million AAV.
His buyout calculation, per @CapFriendly, is not pretty. For two of those seasons, there is a $5.5 and $6.5 million cap charge.


Pretty casual side-swipe at the player in this tweet, with no context offered as to why Duchene would be a negative for culture.

I really dislike how easily media guys will say these things about players, offering zero proof of their assertion (which may well be fed to them by management trying to make justifications for the move they just made). We have heard regularly that someone is mentally soft, or bad in the room, or has attitude problems, etc. etc. but to me, it's punching down at a guy who just got fired, in essence.

It's notable how few of them, despite their willingness to sewer players like this, are willing to say anything about the Team Canada scandal or the Blackhawks scandal or even just calling out bad management. Profiles in courage.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 10:53

Nashville is going to eat a 5 & 6 million dollar cap hit in years two and three of the Duchene buy out. That's a heavy heavy pill to swallow.


An...interesting tweet from Frank Seravalli:

Quote:

Frank Seravalli on Twitter

Barry Trotz has clearly placed an emphasis on one thing as #preds GM: Culture.
Matt Duchene had 3 years remaining at $8 million AAV.
His buyout calculation, per @CapFriendly, is not pretty. For two of those seasons, there is a $5.5 and $6.5 million cap charge.


Pretty casual side-swipe at the player in this tweet, with no context offered as to why Duchene would be a negative for culture.

I really dislike how easily media guys will say these things about players, offering zero proof of their assertion (which may well be fed to them by management trying to make justifications for the move they just made). We have heard regularly that someone is mentally soft, or bad in the room, or has attitude problems, etc. etc. but to me, it's punching down at a guy who just got fired, in essence.

It's notable how few of them, despite their willingness to sewer players like this, are willing to say anything about the Team Canada scandal or the Blackhawks scandal or even just calling out bad management. Profiles in courage.

No one should trust the media. They're arm's length PR at best. No one should trust the teams either, their goals and interests are not the same as ours. Nashville needs a narrative out there and the media is more than willing to push that onto us.

Please do not feed the bears. Feeding the bears creates a dependent population unable to survive on their own. Bears.

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Based on someone's spreadsheet. Top pairing dman Ethan Bear not getting qualified by the Canucks.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 12:49

Based on someone's spreadsheet. Top pairing dman Ethan Bear not getting qualified by the Canucks.


It's like your best week ever! All the schadenfreude, eh? The constant jubilation over other people's failures isn't the best look.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:49

Based on someone's spreadsheet. Top pairing dman Ethan Bear not getting qualified by the Canucks.


Such a weird flex to see guy's careers getting derailed by injuries and gloating about it.

ETA: by all accounts, Bear played well with the Canucks and played over half of his 5x5 minutes with Quinn Hughes, meaning that someone on the Canucks staff thought that he was doing something right (although, to be fair, the Canucks may make roster decisions based purely on spreadsheets, I'm not sure).

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Bear was Quinn Hughes’ most consistent defence partner and is almost certainly in line for a pay increase from his current $2.2 million cap hit. That being said, are the two sides going to be able to agree on a multi-year contract when Bear is going to be coming off of offseason shoulder surgery?


[ https://canucksarmy.com/news/report-vancouver-canucks-defenc eman-ethan-bear-will-undergo-shoulder-surgery[/url]

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Whether Bear’s agent Jason Davidson would be able to wrangle any kind of raise over and above this basic price isn’t clear, though before his injury Bear probably had a case for a two-year deal...Bear wasn’t always Quinn Hughes’ partner this past season but he did play there often and stood a good chance of opening next season as his partner, had he been healthy.


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ ethan-bear-surgery-leaves-canucks-in-a-roster-buildling-pick le

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The Canucks have kept mum on Bear’s injury situation, but at the end of the season a letter to team season-ticket holders from president of hockey operations Jim Rutherford listed him as a player set to play a key role next season.

The Canucks added Bear to the roster in a late October trade, acquiring him from the Carolina Hurricanes. He was without a role in Carolina but quickly found a regular spot in Vancouver, often playing with Quinn Hughes.


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ canucks-ethan-bear-to-have-shoulder-surgery-agent-confirms

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Ethan Bear isn’t a perfect defenceman, but the things he does well, he does really well.

There’s his defensive record for a start. On a team that struggled to control play in its own end, when Bear was on the ice, that wasn’t a problem.

Indeed, Bear’s 50.4 shot attempts against per 60 minutes of even-strength ice time was the 23rd-lowest in the entire NHL.

Bear’s defensive influence was unmistakable.

And then there was his work retaining pucks, which was outstanding...

So where will he fit in? Will he be Quinn Hughes’ partner? He’s probably best suited to playing further down the lineup, but he’s been a capable partner for the Canucks’ No. 1 defenceman.


https://theprovince.com/sports/hockey/nhl/vancouver-canucks/ under-the-microscope-ethan-bear-needs-a-contract

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CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:41

Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 11:32

CrusaderPi wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 10:53

Nashville is going to eat a 5 & 6 million dollar cap hit in years two and three of the Duchene buy out. That's a heavy heavy pill to swallow.


An...interesting tweet from Frank Seravalli:

Quote:

Frank Seravalli on Twitter

Barry Trotz has clearly placed an emphasis on one thing as #preds GM: Culture.
Matt Duchene had 3 years remaining at $8 million AAV.
His buyout calculation, per @CapFriendly, is not pretty. For two of those seasons, there is a $5.5 and $6.5 million cap charge.


Pretty casual side-swipe at the player in this tweet, with no context offered as to why Duchene would be a negative for culture.

I really dislike how easily media guys will say these things about players, offering zero proof of their assertion (which may well be fed to them by management trying to make justifications for the move they just made). We have heard regularly that someone is mentally soft, or bad in the room, or has attitude problems, etc. etc. but to me, it's punching down at a guy who just got fired, in essence.

It's notable how few of them, despite their willingness to sewer players like this, are willing to say anything about the Team Canada scandal or the Blackhawks scandal or even just calling out bad management. Profiles in courage.

No one should trust the media. They're arm's length PR at best. No one should trust the teams either, their goals and interests are not the same as ours. Nashville needs a narrative out there and the media is more than willing to push that onto us.


Stone Cold Steve Austin said it best. DTA.

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Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 13:11

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 12:49

Based on someone's spreadsheet. Top pairing dman Ethan Bear not getting qualified by the Canucks.


It's like your best week ever! All the schadenfreude, eh? The constant jubilation over other people's failures isn't the best look.


I don't get this either. It feels like it's bad juju. I liked Bear and I hope he can rebound. Same for Puljujarvi. It is not like these guys were bad people or linked to sex scandals. There are reasons to not like players, but to be happy you might be right because people have differing opinions is petty.

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inverno76 wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 15:05

Adam wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 13:11

RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 12:49

Based on someone's spreadsheet. Top pairing dman Ethan Bear not getting qualified by the Canucks.


It's like your best week ever! All the schadenfreude, eh? The constant jubilation over other people's failures isn't the best look.


I don't get this either. It feels like it's bad juju. I liked Bear and I hope he can rebound. Same for Puljujarvi. It is not like these guys were bad people or linked to sex scandals. There are reasons to not like players, but to be happy you might be right because people have differing opinions is petty.

Not sure where I said anything about his injury or saying I am happy he is hurt. I was told many, many times how wrong I was about my assessment that he was a 3rd pairing guy. That is what my comment is about. If he was as good as I was told he was, injured or not, the team that had him would qualify him to keep his rights so when he is healthy, he could play for their team.

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RDOilerfan wrote on Fri, 30 June 2023 14:41


Not sure where I said anything about his injury or saying I am happy he is hurt. I was told many, many times how wrong I was about my assessment that he was a 3rd pairing guy. That is what my comment is about. If he was as good as I was told he was, injured or not, the team that had him would qualify him to keep his rights so when he is healthy, he could play for their team.


Sorry, there's just no evidence that the Canucks didn't qualify him because they think he's terrible. I just posted 4 different articles offering analysis that the opposite is true. Not to mention the fact that the Canucks consistently played him with their best defenceman. The injury, and the Canucks cap situation definitely played into this decision.

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